GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
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Ford to Increase Mustang Production to Meet Runaway Consumer Demand
Thursday March 17, 9:57 am ET
- * Ford will increase Mustang production to 192,000 in 2005
- 80,000 more than in 2004* 2005 Mustang is the hottest-selling car in the industry* Nearly one out of every two sports cars sold in U.S. is a Mustang
DEARBORN, Mich., March 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- What's an auto company to do when demand for a hot model exceeds supply? Give the customers what they want.
Ford today announced that it will take production of the hot new Mustang to more than 192,000 units in 2005 -- an increase of more than 70 percent, or 80,000 units, from the previous year.
"Ford Mustang is the hottest car in the industry, and its performance on the street and in the showrooms is beating everyone's expectations," says Steve Lyons, Ford Division president. "Sales are up more than 45 percent over last year, and V-8 GT and convertible model demand is so strong that we haven't been able to build enough.
"We're planning to increase production well beyond what was initially planned. This will allow us to sell 160,000 - 165,000 Mustangs in the U.S. this year."
Sales and Share Gains
Since its launch in the fall of 2004, the new model Mustang has been an instant sensation with new car buyers. Sales of the 2005 model, coupled with the sell-down of the prior model, have sent overall Mustang sales to record levels every month since launch.
The higher-end Mustang GT V-8 models are in short supply, and the much anticipated new convertible model is just beginning to arrive at dealerships in time for spring. Traditionally, May and June are the hottest selling months for convertible models.
In the key U.S. market, overall Mustang sales are up more than 45 percent on a retail basis over last year, a feat accomplished without the support of the convertible model, which traditionally accounts for one-third of overall Mustang volume. Based on the current sales trajectory, Ford expects to sell about 160,000 - 165,000 Mustangs in the U.S. for the 2005 calendar year. In Canada, where Mustang was named 2005 Canadian Car of the Year, sales continue their triple-digit month-after-month rise, topping records set more than a decade ago.
Increasing sales gains have also been accompanied by share gains. Since the 2005 launch, Mustang has garnered 44 percent of the small specialty segment, featuring sports coupes such as the Pontiac GTO, Nissan 350Z, Chrysler Sebring and Hyundai Tiburon among others.
Historical Anecdotes
Red-hot sales and resulting production increases of a new Mustang are not unprecedented. When Mustang was first introduced in April 1964, Ford had only expected to sell 100,000 the first year. But dealers took 22,000 orders the first day. Ford shifted production mid-year and Mustang went on to sell 618,812.
Mustang fever spread from showrooms to car-hops and Mustang legend spread through barbershops, diners and service stations on "Main Street USA" as Mustang became a part of Americana:
* A Ford dealer in Chicago locked the doors of Mustangs in his showroom because he feared for the safety of people trying to crowd into them.
* In Garland, Texas, 15 customers bid on the same car and the successful bidder insisted on sleeping overnight in the car until his check cleared the bank in the morning.
* In Pittsburgh, a restaurant advertised "Our hotcakes sell like Mustangs."
* Parents purchased 93,000 Mustang toy pedal cars during the 1964 Christmas season at a price of $12.95. Today, restored Mustang pedal cars are extremely popular with collectors and some sell for more than $1,000, nearly 100 times the original price.
* Nearly 500 Mustang clubs formed in the first two-and-a-half years of the car's production.
More than 8 million Mustangs have been sold in the 41 years since its introduction. The 1 millionth Mustang was sold by March 1966.
Thursday March 17, 9:57 am ET
- * Ford will increase Mustang production to 192,000 in 2005
- 80,000 more than in 2004* 2005 Mustang is the hottest-selling car in the industry* Nearly one out of every two sports cars sold in U.S. is a Mustang
DEARBORN, Mich., March 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- What's an auto company to do when demand for a hot model exceeds supply? Give the customers what they want.
Ford today announced that it will take production of the hot new Mustang to more than 192,000 units in 2005 -- an increase of more than 70 percent, or 80,000 units, from the previous year.
"Ford Mustang is the hottest car in the industry, and its performance on the street and in the showrooms is beating everyone's expectations," says Steve Lyons, Ford Division president. "Sales are up more than 45 percent over last year, and V-8 GT and convertible model demand is so strong that we haven't been able to build enough.
"We're planning to increase production well beyond what was initially planned. This will allow us to sell 160,000 - 165,000 Mustangs in the U.S. this year."
Sales and Share Gains
Since its launch in the fall of 2004, the new model Mustang has been an instant sensation with new car buyers. Sales of the 2005 model, coupled with the sell-down of the prior model, have sent overall Mustang sales to record levels every month since launch.
The higher-end Mustang GT V-8 models are in short supply, and the much anticipated new convertible model is just beginning to arrive at dealerships in time for spring. Traditionally, May and June are the hottest selling months for convertible models.
In the key U.S. market, overall Mustang sales are up more than 45 percent on a retail basis over last year, a feat accomplished without the support of the convertible model, which traditionally accounts for one-third of overall Mustang volume. Based on the current sales trajectory, Ford expects to sell about 160,000 - 165,000 Mustangs in the U.S. for the 2005 calendar year. In Canada, where Mustang was named 2005 Canadian Car of the Year, sales continue their triple-digit month-after-month rise, topping records set more than a decade ago.
Increasing sales gains have also been accompanied by share gains. Since the 2005 launch, Mustang has garnered 44 percent of the small specialty segment, featuring sports coupes such as the Pontiac GTO, Nissan 350Z, Chrysler Sebring and Hyundai Tiburon among others.
Historical Anecdotes
Red-hot sales and resulting production increases of a new Mustang are not unprecedented. When Mustang was first introduced in April 1964, Ford had only expected to sell 100,000 the first year. But dealers took 22,000 orders the first day. Ford shifted production mid-year and Mustang went on to sell 618,812.
Mustang fever spread from showrooms to car-hops and Mustang legend spread through barbershops, diners and service stations on "Main Street USA" as Mustang became a part of Americana:
* A Ford dealer in Chicago locked the doors of Mustangs in his showroom because he feared for the safety of people trying to crowd into them.
* In Garland, Texas, 15 customers bid on the same car and the successful bidder insisted on sleeping overnight in the car until his check cleared the bank in the morning.
* In Pittsburgh, a restaurant advertised "Our hotcakes sell like Mustangs."
* Parents purchased 93,000 Mustang toy pedal cars during the 1964 Christmas season at a price of $12.95. Today, restored Mustang pedal cars are extremely popular with collectors and some sell for more than $1,000, nearly 100 times the original price.
* Nearly 500 Mustang clubs formed in the first two-and-a-half years of the car's production.
More than 8 million Mustangs have been sold in the 41 years since its introduction. The 1 millionth Mustang was sold by March 1966.
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Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
GM needs to learn what a big engined RWD muscle car priced in the low 20's is. You can argue Fbody superiority over Mustang all day, but at the end of the day it comes down to the almight $ and that is why Mustang wins.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Mustang also wins because its uncontested. If DCX comes out with a new LX coupe or even if they don't its clear RWD and V8s are coming back, so as numbers and articles like this pile up I want to see GM continue to talk around it.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Take one look at the new 'stang and it's no surprise. I've been a diehard F-Body fan for 20+ years but when I saw early pics of the 05 model I nearly crapped my pants.
No they need to do the same for the new Camaro...retro 1st gen styling in a new platform with an LS2/T56 and decent build quality...I'm there.
No they need to do the same for the new Camaro...retro 1st gen styling in a new platform with an LS2/T56 and decent build quality...I'm there.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Originally Posted by RocCityZman
Take one look at the new 'stang and it's no surprise. I've been a diehard F-Body fan for 20+ years but when I saw early pics of the 05 model I nearly crapped my pants.
No they need to do the same for the new Camaro...retro 1st gen styling in a new platform with an LS2/T56 and decent build quality...I'm there.
No they need to do the same for the new Camaro...retro 1st gen styling in a new platform with an LS2/T56 and decent build quality...I'm there.
Make all the arguements for or against retro you like, but a retro Camaro will never work as well as it has for Mustang for a few reasons.
1. Camaros heritage is far more diverse than Mustangs, 1st and 2nd gen are similiar to 1st and 2nd stangs, but 3rd gen is a rather large divergence and is still pronounced in people memory. 4th gen took the formula even farther and was of course the last one, make a carbon copy of 1st gen you just ostricized a lot of buyers.
2. Mustang already did it. We don't want to be derivative.
3. I like to think that Camaro buyers would be more concerned with performance than retro gimmicks.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
GM is the number one automaker, yet they seem to be the only ones with the mind-set that cars are just cars and their only purpose is to get you from point A to point B.
hmmm, whats wrong with this picture?
hmmm, whats wrong with this picture?
Aaah - there is the rub.
Originally Posted by Good Ph.D
3. I like to think that Camaro buyers would be more concerned with performance than retro gimmicks.
You have to make a car that appeals to ALL car buyers , not just Camaro buyers.
The Mustang is a wide appeal machine - for all sorts of reasons, including advertising, and a factory respect for it's heritage.
These ideas seem alien to GM at the current time.
Or, if not, they sure aren't letting in on it.
My .02.
Britt
Re: Aaah - there is the rub.
Originally Posted by NEWBIE T/A
You have to make a car that appeals to ALL car buyers , not just Camaro buyers.
The Mustang is a wide appeal machine - for all sorts of reasons, including advertising, and a factory respect for it's heritage.
These ideas seem alien to GM at the current time.
Or, if not, they sure aren't letting in on it.
My .02.
Britt
The Mustang is a wide appeal machine - for all sorts of reasons, including advertising, and a factory respect for it's heritage.
These ideas seem alien to GM at the current time.
Or, if not, they sure aren't letting in on it.
My .02.
Britt
you can actually haul people in a mustang ...
Re: Aaah - there is the rub.
I got tired of waiting and bought a Jeep. If GM brings back the Camaro or some other RWD V8 muscle car, then I'll be first in line. Until then, I'll be taking a break from GM.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Originally Posted by RocCityZman
No they need to do the same for the new Camaro...retro 1st gen styling in a new platform with an LS2/T56 and decent build quality...I'm there.
Dope
Re: Aaah - there is the rub.
Originally Posted by anasazi
the mustang is COMFORTABLE for people other than the driver.
you can actually haul people in a mustang ...
you can actually haul people in a mustang ...
Originally Posted by JoeliusZ28
GM is the number one automaker, yet they seem to be the only ones with the mind-set that cars are just cars and their only purpose is to get you from point A to point B.
hmmm, whats wrong with this picture?
hmmm, whats wrong with this picture?

1) That is Toyota's mindset far more than GM's, and it is working pretty well for them.
2) I don't think the Cobalt SS, Ion RL, GTO, Vette, CTS-V, XLR, STS-V, Solstice, Sky, SSR, Trailblazer SS, etc. exist "just to get you from point A to point B"...
Last edited by 96_Camaro_B4C; Mar 17, 2005 at 12:43 PM.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Perhaps GM should make a 5th gen camaro modern and a 5th gen firebird retro. That would appeal to both sides and keep name with high recognition tied to both cars.
Oh wait they aren't doing that. They are killing one and screwing up the other.
Oh wait they aren't doing that. They are killing one and screwing up the other.
Re: GM: "There is no market for big engine RWD muscle cars."
Originally Posted by Good Ph.D
You sir are one of two parties viciously apposed. I know of people on this board who would be crashing their 4th gens into GM dealerships if they produced a retro Camaro. And I agree with them.
Make all the arguements for or against retro you like, but a retro Camaro will never work as well as it has for Mustang for a few reasons.
1. Camaros heritage is far more diverse than Mustangs, 1st and 2nd gen are similiar to 1st and 2nd stangs, but 3rd gen is a rather large divergence and is still pronounced in people memory. 4th gen took the formula even farther and was of course the last one, make a carbon copy of 1st gen you just ostricized a lot of buyers.
2. Mustang already did it. We don't want to be derivative.
3. I like to think that Camaro buyers would be more concerned with performance than retro gimmicks.
Make all the arguements for or against retro you like, but a retro Camaro will never work as well as it has for Mustang for a few reasons.
1. Camaros heritage is far more diverse than Mustangs, 1st and 2nd gen are similiar to 1st and 2nd stangs, but 3rd gen is a rather large divergence and is still pronounced in people memory. 4th gen took the formula even farther and was of course the last one, make a carbon copy of 1st gen you just ostricized a lot of buyers.
2. Mustang already did it. We don't want to be derivative.
3. I like to think that Camaro buyers would be more concerned with performance than retro gimmicks.
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