Difference between '05 GT and '99-'04 GT is only 3 tenths and 1 mph!

I just read this months Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords mag. Evan Smith ran a 5-speed '05 Stang GT to a 13.4 at 102 bone stock. He ran an '01 to a 13.7 at 101 years ago. Same track, same driver, similar track conditions. This is for all the people on this board that think the '05 is so fast and the '99-'04 so slow.

Ive raced 909-04 gt's at the track and they are TURDS. I have 3-4 cars min. on them with the old ls1 auto. I dont really care about e.t.'s to be honest. I have also raced many on the highway and they couldnt hang for ****. about as fast as a 350z thats it brudda. mostly low 14's @99 or so :D

Seen numerous 05's already run 13.3's bone stock, theve run 13.1's stock w/ a simple computer reflash..best ive seen from a 99-04 ever was a 13.7....05 are running low 12's already w/ not alot at all...99-04's w/ more mods have a hard time even gettin into the low 13's...Live w/ it 05's are alot faster...Its already been proven the 3v responds WAY better to simple mods then the 2v on top of having 50 more hp out the gate.

This is for all the people on this board that think the '05 is so fast and the '99-'04 so slow.Yet another idiotic post added to your list....id say you should prove us all wrong, Id reccomend actually breaking into the 13's first w/ the modded 2000 .

3/10 and 1mph is a few carlengths... not exactly neck & neck.

The new mustang could have trapped higher and ran better but FORD Streteched the gear ratio's out on the 5 speed for better gas milage wich put a hurting on the trap speeds and quarter times.
If it trapped 102 and ran a 13.4 then he had one hell of a good sixty.

it has 300 HP,wow,thats ball breaking these days man im tellin ya :o .

the LS1 had over 300 when it first came out in the C5 vette...then the F-bodies.

point is,aside from the stupercharged slowbra,they got NOTHIN.

i prefer to just sit back and laugh :cool:

later

3/10 and 1mph is a few carlengths

Yeah, 3 carlengths. 3 cars could be made up with DRs alone.

Ive raced 909-04 gt's at the track and they are TURDS. I have 3-4 cars min. on them with the old ls1 auto. I dont really care about e.t.'s to be honest. I have also raced many on the highway and they couldnt hang for ****. about as fast as a 350z thats it brudda. mostly low 14's @99 or so :D

Compared to LS1s, they are turds and '05 GTs are kinda turds. :cool:

Yeah, 3 carlengths. 3 cars could be made up with DRs alone.


Sure, assuming one driver is Sh*t and the other has the slicks.

Or assuming one car got the DRs and the other kept bald factory tires.

Dude, do you really feel you have to defend your car???? You like your car, that's fine, but your not going to change anyone's mind with this kind of BS thread. Face it, the 05 GT performance wise is the superior car, as it should be with 35 more horse, etc... The same way TPI owners had to accespt they are number 2 when when the LT1 came out, then again for the LS1, and now the LS2... Your car is yesterday's news, Deal With It!

Stock 99-04 GT's dyno in 220's typically....Stock 05's are in the 270 range.

That is a lot of rwhp to make up.

Rice Killer87...I doubt your setup could take a 13.3 car so what exactly are you laughing at?

Sure, assuming one driver is Sh*t and the other has the slicks.

Or assuming one car got the DRs and the other kept bald factory tires.

On the crappy, dusty tracks I race on, DRs can easily knock off 3 tenths compared to new street tires. Maybe good tracks are different?

Dude, do you really feel you have to defend your car???? You like your car, that's fine, but your not going to change anyone's mind with this kind of BS thread. Face it, the 05 GT performance wise is the superior car, as it should be with 35 more horse, etc... The same way TPI owners had to accespt they are number 2 when when the LT1 came out, then again for the LS1, and now the LS2... Your car is yesterday's news, Deal With It!

I know. I like my car and hate the looks of the '05 GT. I also don't like them gaining weight. I am just trying to put the facts out here for everybody to see. Some morons on this board think my car is 1 second slower than an '05 GT stock for stock by the way they exaggerate.

Stock 99-04 GT's dyno in 220's typically....Stock 05's are in the 270 range.

That is a lot of rwhp to make up.


Since the '05 GT is 200-300 lbs. heavier than a '99-04 GT, it is not near as much hp to make up. :D

I know that the LS1 isn't the motor to beat anymore.
When it comes time, I will dump the LS1 & get the next best thing.
Whatever that Car/Motor may be, Ford, GM, etc... ;)

Since the '05 GT is 200-300 lbs. heavier than a '99-04 GT, it is not near as much hp to make up. :D'99-'04 GT's weighed 3150-3250lbs.?
I don't think so.
The '05 GT is about 50-75lbs. heavier, puts down ~40rwhp more than the earlier cars and they hook very well.
The only reason the traps are lower is the "electronic nanny" on the drive-by-wire. Remove that with a simple flash tune and the cars will run low-13's at 106+mph and drop a '99-'04 GT like a bag of dirt.
Just curious...why is a Mustang owner on an F-body board criticizing the '05 GT and actually arguing with F-body owners about it on the Kills Forum?
:confused:
Go over to the Mustang boards and call it a POS. :rolleyes:
S.

Stock 99-04 GT's dyno in 220's typically....Stock 05's are in the 270 range.

That is a lot of rwhp to make up.

Rice Killer87...I doubt your setup could take a 13.3 car so what exactly are you laughing at?


Actually with the mods rice-killer87 has, I am GUARANTEE'ING that he will run 13.2 or better :)

It also has better gearing and they seem to hook up much better also. That 13.7 example was a pristine example...not a norm. Low 14's for the 5 speeds around here with a decent driver.

On the crappy, dusty tracks I race on, DRs can easily knock off 3 tenths compared to new street tires. Maybe good tracks are different?

LOL what I'm saying is it's unfair to compare a modded car to a stock one.

It also has better gearing and they seem to hook up much better also. That 13.7 example was a pristine example...not a norm. Low 14's for the 5 speeds around here with a decent driver.

It has similar gearing thanks to it's taller factory tires. And the 13.4 stock time out of the '05 was a pristine time as well. I was comparing pristine times.

LOL what I'm saying is it's unfair to compare a modded car to a stock one.

Life's unfair. It's unfair to compare an LS1 to a GT, unfair to compare an '03 Cobra to an LS1, etc. etc. etc. People still compare unfair cars.

'99-'04 GT's weighed 3150-3250lbs.?
I don't think so.
The '05 GT is about 50-75lbs. heavier, puts down ~40rwhp more than the earlier cars and they hook very well.
The only reason the traps are lower is the "electronic nanny" on the drive-by-wire. Remove that with a simple flash tune and the cars will run low-13's at 106+mph and drop a '99-'04 GT like a bag of dirt.
Just curious...why is a Mustang owner on an F-body board criticizing the '05 GT and actually arguing with F-body owners about it on the Kills Forum?
:confused:
Go over to the Mustang boards and call it a POS. :rolleyes:
S.

A stripper '99 GT is about 3240. http://www.edmunds.com/used/2000/ford/mustang/10582/specs.html?tid=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..6.For d*

A stripper '05 GT is about 3450.
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/ford/mustang/100464179/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsiden av..8.Ford*

I was comparing stock cars so forget the nanny. The 15-20 rwhp that removing the nanny adds, will not add more than 4 mph to the trap speed. Just curious, why is a Mustang owner that doesn't know what the he** he is talking about trying to make people believe that he does?

Two mustang owners on an fbody site bashing eachother.................cool :)

Two mustang owners on an fbody site bashing eachother.................cool :)
Snormans not bashing him, hes just speaking facts....SteveY's the idiot talkin outta his ass as usual....he has alot of mouth for someone that never ran a car faster the 14's

Snormans not bashing him, hes just speaking facts....SteveY's the idiot talkin outta his ass as usual....he has alot of mouth for someone that never ran a car faster the 14'sSpeaking of taking out of your ass... look in the mirror Antz.

SteveY has the facts to back his position. He compared best stock times, same driver, similar conditions. He also had facts to back up his claim that earlier GTs were hundreds of pounds lighter than the late model GTs. If you disagree, rather than general "talkin outta his ass" comments, address the *specific* issues that you think SteveY is wrong about, and give facts/links to support you position. I WON'T be holding my breath.

he has alot of mouth for someone that never ran a car faster the 14's

Atleast he is honest about his ride, and the times he ran...
Do I have to remind you YET AGAIN, that you're the person who LIED about ownership of an LS1 F-Body on this board... :confused:
Did you seem to forget that you're the person whose ass got called out DAILY here By Tim (et al) and NEVER ONCE did you answer one challange that I am aware of?!?!?!?!

I think you have done your fair share of mouthing on this board too.

Antz lied about having owned an LS1 Fbody?

Antz lied about having owned an LS1 Fbody?

Yep, back around the time when he first joined.
This was also the during the time All the Mustang guys were calling him out, and he wouldn't step up. Maybe he forgot this time?!?!? I know I didn't, it was down right hysterical. It was sorta like it is now. Now, Steve Posts something, and less than 5 posts down, Antz posts something. But then it was Antz would post, then less than 5 posts down, BadAzzGT would have a post. If I remember right, a few people sorta stalked Antz. I am pretty sure Antz worked at UPS, because a few of the Members from this board showed up there trying to get race from him when he got off. :D

Antz lied about having owned an LS1 Fbody?

Thats funny ****. He always has a comment.

With 6000 posts, he must know alot :D

whatever..............mustangs are for girls :D (dont tell my buddy that, he has an 05) :p

whatever..............mustangs are for girls :D

:blah:

Funny....I hear the same thing about automatics. ;)

Yep, back around the time when he first joined.
This was also the during the time All the Mustang guys were calling him out, and he wouldn't step up. Maybe he forgot this time?!?!? I know I didn't, it was down right hysterical. It was sorta like it is now. Now, Steve Posts something, and less than 5 posts down, Antz posts something. But then it was Antz would post, then less than 5 posts down, BadAzzGT would have a post. If I remember right, a few people sorta stalked Antz. I am pretty sure Antz worked at UPS, because a few of the Members from this board showed up there trying to get race from him when he got off. :D1. Antz did have a blue LT1 Z28.
2. Antz talked mad sh*t about Mustangs, I called him out on several occasions and he wouldn't come out for a run. One evening, I offered (on this very board) to drive to Eatontown and meet him for a run...anywhere. He backed out.
3. Antz frequently posted kills from when he would leave work in the morning (worked the night shift?). He did this all the time, talking about beating rice on route 18.
4. Antz told everybody he worked at the UPS hub in Eatontown, a mere ~1/4 mile from my office at the time. I actually saw his car in the parking lot there one morning, numbers from the track still on the window.
5. One morning, I was conveniently shipping packages. I realized it was near the time that Antz told everybody he got off work. I was "lazy" finishing and leaving. ;) As "luck" would have it, Antz was leaving work and I pulled out behind him, and decided to see if he wanted to play with my GT. He took off...I lost him on a back road after getting stuck behind a slower car.
6. He claimed to later own an LS1, was in the Army, owned an LT1...whatever. I lost track and post infrequently on this board now.
7. Yes, Tim Teal, Mike Morris and several other Mustang owners other than myself called him out. He never obliged. Lately, he doesn't talk nearly the smack he did a few years ago.

Strangely, I find my opinion of SteveY to be the same as Antz's. I don't feel the need to play "patty cake" with a guy who never saw the 13's, lists synthetic oil in his sig, and can't figure out which tires (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340477) are best. It's obvious he's butthurt (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333010) about the progress the '05 GT has made, and feels the need to soothe his pain by posting about it on an F-body board, where he knows he'll get sympathy.
Being told I don't know what h*ll I'm talking about by him is irony at its finest. :lol: 15-20rwhp by removing the timing dump on shifts...:lol: :no:
I have no desire to dig up curb weights for 2-valve GT's...he can pat himself on the back for his Edmunds links.
S.

Edmunds aside, Ford's site lists the Mustang's shipping weight at 3356 lbs. They don't list, or at least I could not find a weight for the 2004 Mustang (only other one listed on their site).

The article with the 05 GT says it went 13.39 @ 101.8 mph. I was at E-town the day the 2002 GT went 13.7. I don't remember if it went 13.70, 13.79, or somewhere in between. So there is somewhere between .31 and .40 difference in the ETs. Less in MPH.

I do remember the conditions (for the 2002 GT) were stellar (I ran my 99 at the same time). I cannot vouch for how close or not close the conditions were for the 05 GT, as I was not at that one.

Also, I do not know if 13.39 is the best ever recorded for a bone stock 05. For that matter, I don't know if Evan Smith's 13.7x is the best ever for a 99-04, but I've never heard of a quicker one.

IMHO, 3-4 tenths is probably about right. It also seems rather obvious that the TM on the 05 is doing some serious damage to both ET and MPH. Such is life, I suppose.

1. Antz did have a blue LT1 Z28.
2. Antz talked mad sh*t about Mustangs, I called him out on several occasions and he wouldn't come out for a run. One evening, I offered (on this very board) to drive to Eatontown and meet him for a run...anywhere. He backed out.
3. Antz frequently posted kills from when he would leave work in the morning (worked the night shift?). He did this all the time, talking about beating rice on route 18.
4. Antz told everybody he worked at the UPS hub in Eatontown, a mere ~1/4 mile from my office at the time. I actually saw his car in the parking lot there one morning, numbers from the track still on the window.
5. One morning, I was conveniently shipping packages. I realized it was near the time that Antz told everybody he got off work. I was "lazy" finishing and leaving. ;) As "luck" would have it, Antz was leaving work and I pulled out behind him, and decided to see if he wanted to play with my GT. He took off...I lost him on a back road after getting stuck behind a slower car.
6. He claimed to later own an LS1, was in the Army, owned an LT1...whatever. I lost track and post infrequently on this board now.
7. Yes, Tim Teal, Mike Morris and several other Mustang owners other than myself called him out. He never obliged. Lately, he doesn't talk nearly the smack he did a few years ago.

Strangely, I find my opinion of SteveY to be the same as Antz's. I don't feel the need to play "patty cake" with a guy who never saw the 13's, lists synthetic oil in his sig, and can't figure out which tires (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340477) are best. It's obvious he's butthurt (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333010) about the progress the '05 GT has made, and feels the need to soothe his pain by posting about it on an F-body board, where he knows he'll get sympathy.
Being told I don't know what h*ll I'm talking about by him is irony at its finest. :lol: 15-20rwhp by removing the timing dump on shifts...:lol: :no:
I have no desire to dig up curb weights for 2-valve GT's...he can pat himself on the back for his Edmunds links.
S.



that only the condensed version.



maybe antz moved to reno? :lol:

that only the condensed version.



maybe antz moved to reno? :lol:He's your friend...you probably know more than I do.
S.

He's your friend...you probably know more than I do.
S.



more than i care to. ;)

Strangely, I find my opinion of SteveY to be the same as Antz's. I don't feel the need to play "patty cake" with a guy who never saw the 13's, lists synthetic oil in his sig, and can't figure out which tires (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340477) are best. It's obvious he's butthurt (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333010) about the progress the '05 GT has made, and feels the need to soothe his pain by posting about it on an F-body board, where he knows he'll get sympathy.
Being told I don't know what h*ll I'm talking about by him is irony at its finest. :lol: 15-20rwhp by removing the timing dump on shifts...:lol: :no:
I have no desire to dig up curb weights for 2-valve GT's...he can pat himself on the back for his Edmunds links.
S.

Yes, I never saw the 13s at 4000'+ elevation, yet. I was just asking the opinion of people about the tires. Is that so bad? I could care less about the '05 GT. I don't like the looks of them. I was posting the facts about the differences of them so idiots like Antz could see the truth. That's all. I saw two before and after dyno tests of removing the nanny, adding timing, leaning out the mixture, etc. One gained 15 rwhp, the other 20. A real man would admit he was wrong about the Edmunds links, but obviously you are not a real man. You are just as big of jerk as you always were, you are back on my ignore list.

1. Antz did have a blue LT1 Z28.
2. Antz talked mad sh*t about Mustangs, I called him out on several occasions and he wouldn't come out for a run. One evening, I offered (on this very board) to drive to Eatontown and meet him for a run...anywhere. He backed out.
3. Antz frequently posted kills from when he would leave work in the morning (worked the night shift?). He did this all the time, talking about beating rice on route 18.
4. Antz told everybody he worked at the UPS hub in Eatontown, a mere ~1/4 mile from my office at the time. I actually saw his car in the parking lot there one morning, numbers from the track still on the window.
5. One morning, I was conveniently shipping packages. I realized it was near the time that Antz told everybody he got off work. I was "lazy" finishing and leaving. ;) As "luck" would have it, Antz was leaving work and I pulled out behind him, and decided to see if he wanted to play with my GT. He took off...I lost him on a back road after getting stuck behind a slower car.
6. He claimed to later own an LS1, was in the Army, owned an LT1...whatever. I lost track and post infrequently on this board now.
7. Yes, Tim Teal, Mike Morris and several other Mustang owners other than myself called him out. He never obliged. Lately, he doesn't talk nearly the smack he did a few years ago.

Strangely, I find my opinion of SteveY to be the same as Antz's. I don't feel the need to play "patty cake" with a guy who never saw the 13's, lists synthetic oil in his sig, and can't figure out which tires (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340477) are best. It's obvious he's butthurt (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333010) about the progress the '05 GT has made, and feels the need to soothe his pain by posting about it on an F-body board, where he knows he'll get sympathy.
Being told I don't know what h*ll I'm talking about by him is irony at its finest. :lol: 15-20rwhp by removing the timing dump on shifts...:lol: :no:
I have no desire to dig up curb weights for 2-valve GT's...he can pat himself on the back for his Edmunds links.
S.
Yea this was years ago....I really had no knowledge of mustangs at the time, all I basically knew it that they werent as fast as fbodies stock. Through the years since Ive read alot of copies of MM&FF and frequent the corral often to educate myself on them and since learned alot and to respect them.
He did this all the time, talking about beating rice on route 18. LOL, this was ONE race on rt.18 and UltimateOrangeSS was in the passenger seat.
He claimed to later own an LS1, was in the Army, owned an LT1. I owned a 01 Ls1 for a short time when I lived in south florida to help my uncle open up his italian pastry shop, but after the 1st insurance note it was gone, UltimateOrangeSS came and stayed for a few weeks...after that vacation I guess you could say our freindship went down south. I was stationed @ Ft. Richardson AK in the army where I did buy a 96 LT1 323 car, put a cai and a cutout on it and then thought "who the hell has a camaro in alaska", so i sold it 2 mths later. As far as people calling me out, Tim and I sh!t talked alot, and I since found to respect what he did/ is doing w/ his 98. I have no clue who the other guy even is, and the night you called me out I told you I was about a six pack deep already hence me not obliging to race...Im sure none of you give a rats ass about any of this, I just had to clear a few things up. As far as steveY, I have a dead on similar opinion as snorman on him. Not trying to butter up to anybody, or change the past I just call it like I see it.

Funny....I hear the same thing about automatics.


That is funny and I have heard that before, thank god my wife drives the car also .............did I mention that I put down your CRANK hp to the wheels through my AUTO...............NOW THATS FUNNY

Good thing I have two other cars with 6 speeds.......not wimpy 5 speeds........I have an escort with a 5 speed :D :D :D :D

more than i care to. ;)please humor me? Are you pissed over the countless times I whooped your ass @ NFL2k1, or the time I outran you at Englishtown w/ a borken LT1 :D (yea I know I had more mods). Besides sayin a few things I later regreted and tried to apoligize for, I though I tried to be a good friend...

Funny....I hear the same thing about automatics.


That is funny and I have heard that before, thank god my wife drives the car also .............did I mention that I put down your CRANK hp to the wheels through my AUTO...............NOW THATS FUNNY

Good thing I have two other cars with 6 speeds.......not wimpy 5 speeds........I have an escort with a 5 speed :D :D :D :D

What are you talking about and who are you talking to? :confused: It helps to quote someone when the thread is this long.

Sorry wally........messing with Mighty...were having our own little good humord pissing contest (I hope) cuz I'm just kiddin..............

Mustang owners on fbod board should have thick skin and a good sense of humor......................cuz non of this shnit really matters :D

im glad i joined this website. i can feel the love already........next on jerry springer......

please humor me? Are you pissed over the countless times I whooped your ass @ NFL2k1, or the time I outran you at Englishtown w/ a borken LT1 :D (yea I know I had more mods). Besides sayin a few things I later regreted and tried to apoligize for, I though I tried to be a good friend...



you said and did some ****ed up things man.you dont talk as much trash as you used to but still you exaggerate a little. :D just remember if i dish out some trash to you on here its so you know how it feels. :eek:


i never backstabbed or talked **** about you until you pissed me off with your nonsense.



maybe if im in a good mood you can ride in my new GTO. ;)


next on jerry. :lol:

im glad i joined this website. i can feel the love already........next on jerry springer......

Oh yeah, a lot of love around here! :D

Where's the love? :cry:

you said and did some ****ed up things man.you dont talk as much trash as you used to but still you exaggerate a little. :D just remember if i dish out some trash to you on here its so you know how it feels. :eek:


i never backstabbed or talked **** about you until you pissed me off with your nonsense.



maybe if im in a good mood you can ride in my new GTO. ;)


next on jerry. :lol: Everyone learns from the mistakes, its all comes w/ age...Ive since been married,divorced LOL (thank god), and I have a daughter thats almost 2. Hope your getting a 6spd this time, seeing some impressive times so far...Hopefully w/ this Class A license Ill get something decent soon and have something ready for Etown by spring/summer.

whatever..............mustangs are for girls :D (dont tell my buddy that, he has an 05) :p

Funny thing about that remark..im always out driving around..I drive truck for a living..and since I love American Muscle Cars..Mustangs and Camaros..and my favorite FireBird-TRANS-AMS <--first car I ever owned..a slow 1982 silver 305 with t-tops. Anyways..im always looking to see who is driving behind the wheel..I swear to you I see more 50ish yr old LADIES driving Corvettes these days..Im like " DAMN" .." THATS TOO MUCH CAR FOR YOU LADY "..I guess im just hating ;) And I live in California and Vettes along with F-Bodys and Stangs are everywere. To many people going thru there mid-life crisis around here i guess :)

Not really... we're just at a point where an average joe worker can afford to buy one and has the other issues dealt with. In other words, the kids are gone, no longer am paying for college, only the wife and I, and we can finally afford one (or two) and still live comfortably.

When I was in my 20s and single, I couldn't afford it.
When I was in my 30s and married, we couldn't afford it and even if we could, it made no sense to buy a 2 seater when there were kids to ferry around. In my 40s we can finally afford it and there are only 2 of us.

Here's somthing to ponder... lets say you have a typical Fbody purchaser of a few years ago, or even now. Let's say it's a guy in his mid 20s to mid 30s. His choice is an Fbody or a C5 Corvette of the same year. Wonder of wonders, both cars cost the same amount of money. Looks in Autotrader and it's the same across the board. Similar milage and condition and an Fbody and C5 costs the same. Which car does he buy?

Here's somthing to ponder... lets say you have a typical Fbody purchaser of a few years ago, or even now. Let's say it's a guy in his mid 20s to mid 30s. His choice is an Fbody or a C5 Corvette of the same year. Wonder of wonders, both cars cost the same amount of money. Looks in Autotrader and it's the same across the board. Similar milage and condition and an Fbody and C5 costs the same. Which car does he buy?

How do you find a C5 that costs the same as an F-body, assuming they are the same year, same mileage, same condition, etc? The C5 books about twice as high as the F-body.

All that means is you got lucky finding a good price on a C5 and didn't look hard enough for an F-body that should cost half price for the same miles, year, condition, etc.

I kind of think he was talking hypothetically, to prove a point.

Not really... we're just at a point where an average joe worker can afford to buy one and has the other issues dealt with. In other words, the kids are gone, no longer am paying for college, only the wife and I, and we can finally afford one (or two) and still live comfortably.

When I was in my 20s and single, I couldn't afford it.
When I was in my 30s and married, we couldn't afford it and even if we could, it made no sense to buy a 2 seater when there were kids to ferry around. In my 40s we can finally afford it and there are only 2 of us.

Here's somthing to ponder... lets say you have a typical Fbody purchaser of a few years ago, or even now. Let's say it's a guy in his mid 20s to mid 30s. His choice is an Fbody or a C5 Corvette of the same year. Wonder of wonders, both cars cost the same amount of money. Looks in Autotrader and it's the same across the board. Similar milage and condition and an Fbody and C5 costs the same. Which car does he buy?

I knew that! :) I have 4 daughters and sure cant afford the Z06 or the Viper I would really like to be driving ..so I mess around and try to do with what i have..But I guess building your own ride UP is more satisfying in the end. Or atleast thats what Im trying to convice myself ;)

No matter what car I had I would mod it............ so, why not start with a cheaper car :D

My next vette will be "BONE STOCK" :D

1. Antz did have a blue LT1 Z28.
2. Antz talked mad sh*t about Mustangs, I called him out on several occasions and he wouldn't come out for a run. One evening, I offered (on this very board) to drive to Eatontown and meet him for a run...anywhere. He backed out.
3. Antz frequently posted kills from when he would leave work in the morning (worked the night shift?). He did this all the time, talking about beating rice on route 18.
4. Antz told everybody he worked at the UPS hub in Eatontown, a mere ~1/4 mile from my office at the time. I actually saw his car in the parking lot there one morning, numbers from the track still on the window.
5. One morning, I was conveniently shipping packages. I realized it was near the time that Antz told everybody he got off work. I was "lazy" finishing and leaving. ;) As "luck" would have it, Antz was leaving work and I pulled out behind him, and decided to see if he wanted to play with my GT. He took off...I lost him on a back road after getting stuck behind a slower car.
6. He claimed to later own an LS1, was in the Army, owned an LT1...whatever. I lost track and post infrequently on this board now.
7. Yes, Tim Teal, Mike Morris and several other Mustang owners other than myself called him out. He never obliged. Lately, he doesn't talk nearly the smack he did a few years ago.

Strangely, I find my opinion of SteveY to be the same as Antz's. I don't feel the need to play "patty cake" with a guy who never saw the 13's, lists synthetic oil in his sig, and can't figure out which tires (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340477) are best. It's obvious he's butthurt (http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333010) about the progress the '05 GT has made, and feels the need to soothe his pain by posting about it on an F-body board, where he knows he'll get sympathy.
Being told I don't know what h*ll I'm talking about by him is irony at its finest. :lol: 15-20rwhp by removing the timing dump on shifts...:lol: :no:
I have no desire to dig up curb weights for 2-valve GT's...he can pat himself on the back for his Edmunds links.
S.

:bow: Couldn't agree more

Steve-Y belongs to NAMBLA

Steve-Y belongs to NAMBLA

And you belong to transvestites anonomous.