THIS twin turbo!?

http://www.bbsdesigns.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/scstore/p-KIT0003.html?L+scstore+plwq7334ff400640+1108617884
is a twin turbo kit i found, if it was setup for the lt1, what would i need for the engine to handle it? will it really make 1200hp?
thanks

That will not fit in an LT1 car.

that guy creates his own kits, if he can make one for the lt1, you think it would be capable of 1200hp? what would i have to do to make the camaro handle this power

My god, I bet plug access is a nightmear on that setup!

From a quick glance, inner fender clearance might be an issue, you would HAVE to go !A/C (no biggie), and would HAVE to relocate the alternator and remove the stock bracket.

that guy creates his own kits, if he can make one for the lt1, you think it would be capable of 1200hp? what would i have to do to make the camaro handle this power


yup...and about 15k worth of work to make it work..and stay working. a single t-76 is costing me about 20k(im making sure im doing everything right..to make it last) ..this **** is expensive :mad:

...what would I need for the engine to handle it?...

...From a quick glance, inner fender clearance might be an issue, you would HAVE to go !A/C (no biggie), and would HAVE to relocate the alternator and remove the stock bracket.


The engine: All forged rotating assembly & high end components, easily $20K with parts & labor (with the turbo/IC setup)

The car: A larger engine bay! Or, to add to the information above you could add/eliminate/reroute/modify :D the following items:
Inner fenders
Hood
Alternator
AC
Water (heater) hoses
Misc. wiring
Dual oil feed
Dual oil drain

The good news is that you could keep the stock cooling setup & turbo access would be easy. Chances are you might fry something close by if the turbine side got too close or too hot. That setup is putting alot more heat (which rises) at the top of an already cramped engine bay.

IMHO, you'd be better off with a single PTK type of kit.

"IMHO, you'd be better off with a single PTK type of kit."

can i have a link to it

http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=194

Keep in mind the price does NOT include the turbo itself.

why is it so much for ****ty tubes? is there any whole kit for around 4k thats like twin or single turbo that makes good hp?

I should have my twin turbo car on the dyno in the next couple of weeks (finally)and we are looking to have around 1400FWHP. With that kind of horsepower you definately want the engine built well with all the best parts.

why is it so much for ****ty tubes? is there any whole kit for around 4k thats like twin or single turbo that makes good hp?

Sounds like STS is right up your alley.

why is it so much for ****ty tubes? is there any whole kit for around 4k thats like twin or single turbo that makes good hp?

At the risk of starting a turbocharged flame battle :D, there is always STS (http://www.ststurbo.com/). They mount a single turbo in place of the LT1 muffler, draw air from the driver side underside & exhaust it on the passenger side. The turbo hooks into your existing pipe/catback & then a tube runs forward to your motor. There is an electric oil pump to return oil from the turbo to your motor. It has been reported this system can be installed in like 4-6 hours.

Sells for about $3795 last time I checked, and this includes everything you need for a basic install. There are some vendors here (search) that will sell for less than that, I know Tbyrne just posted about this topic in this forum. You can add methanol for higher boost or run an IC. The main argument here is that the PTK style makes/can make more power than the STS, which is less costly and easier to install.

In my case, I got rid of a P600B Procharger due to fitment issues & overheating and like the design of the STS enough to try & duplicate it a little bit at a time (I can't spring the $4K at once and already have a FMIC installed from the Procharger setup).

Also, I think the PTK price includes an IC? I think just the piping is like $1500. I have not researched the PTK kit like I have the STS, so I'm sure someone will jump in & offer better info on the PTK.

why is it so much for ****ty tubes? is there any whole kit for around 4k thats like twin or single turbo that makes good hp?

That is any oxymoron my friend. STS attempted to create the link between low cost and a turbo setup but the kit is nothing close to the functionality of a conventional turbo kit like the PTK... you get what you pay for.

That is any oxymoron my friend. STS attempted to create the link between low cost and a turbo setup but the kit is nothing close to the functionality of a conventional turbo kit like the PTK... you get what you pay for.
what if i got that kit, can i only setup 1 turbo to it? does anyone have a link of good turbos that would make like 700-900hp? without MAJOR engine changes that will cost too much
thanks

or is the GT-42 74T or any of them less good enough to not make major upgrades on this page:
http://forcedinductions.com/productsgarrett.htm

p.s. is there any kit like:
http://www.proturbokits.com/store/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=194
except cheaper?

what if i got that kit, can i only setup 1 turbo to it? does anyone have a link of good turbos that would make like 700-900hp? without MAJOR engine changes that will cost too much
thanks

Trying to get 700-900hp w/o any major engine changes will give your engine a major change. :)

If you want to run this type of power, you are looking at significant items:
Forged crank
H-beam rods
Forged low compression pistons

My Eagle rotating assembly (above parts w/ bearings & rings) was $1500

I think the labor to prepare my stock block (splayed 4 bolt mains, new caps, align hone mains, bore cylinders for 383, clearance rods, etc.) was around $1000-1500 (it has been a while). (2500)

Rough prices:
Better heads (ported): $1600 (4100)
Cam: $200 (4300)
Ignition system: $600 (4900)
Intake: $200 (5100)
Gaskets: $100 (5200)
Headers & cat-back (coated): $900 (6100)
Plug wires: $100 (6200)
Oiling system (pan/pump/windage tray): $500 (6700)
Valve covers: $200 (6900)
Fuel system: $300 (7200)
Injectors: $500 (7700)

etc., etc.

The other "little" stuff adds up quick, like oil cooler, braided SS hose & fittings. I think I had close to $8K in my 383 project w/o any power adder/wallet drainer :). I recall an ad in Chevy High Performance for Golen engines & their 400hp long block (no accessories) was over $6K.

You can shop & save some $, but the bottom line is you need to properly prepare your motor for that level of power.

what if i got that kit, can i only setup 1 turbo to it? does anyone have a link of good turbos that would make like 700-900hp? without MAJOR engine changes that will cost too much
thanks

Ok, here's the deal. . . there are 3 turbo kits in production right now:

PTK- High quality kit with potential up to 1100 hp, but $6000.
TTI- Fair quality kit, but limited in hp potential (maybe 500 hp max), $4600.
STS- Mounts the turbo at the rear. Controversial because of definite pro's and con's to the rear mounting arrangement. With kit-available turbo's, maybe 600 hp max. $3600.

NONE of these are twin turbo, NOR would they be easy to convert to twins.

And NO power adder will make 700 - 900 hp without MAJOR engine changes, reliably. People have made 700 hp on the stock short block, but you can count the number of full-throttle pulls on one hand before it blew up.

People (including myself) have been successful in fabricating homemade single and twin turbo kits, but he fabrication skill and time required are pretty extensive.

If you can't afford the turbo kit and major changes to the engine, either give up on 700 - 900 hp or sell off some of those other cars until you can afford it.

Mike

is the list that live for ta's made enough stuff to support the 1100hp the ptk is making, with instead 396 engine, and is the lt4 camshaft good enough or what kind of cam would i need?
thanks

Why is it when everyone wants to compare prices of a PTK kit to an STS kit, they compare a loaded down PTK kit w/ intercooler w/ your based out, non-intercooled STS kit? Of course the STS kit will be cheaper, it doesn't have nearly the components.

Though I won't post the vendor, as it isn't a board vendor, I found a GEN I LT1 PTK kit w/ air-water intercooler and T70 turbo complete for $3900 (I'm sure board vendors that carry PTK would match/beat that price, as this was a simple price listed on a website, not a special sale/GP that a vendor wouldn't be allowed to post). Just because PTK sells their kit for a certain price doesn't mean other vendors don't sell their products for significantly less.

Which puts me back to the point of why buy an STS kit?? You really aren't saving much money (if any at all when all is said and done). So what if it is a little easier to install; this is a major mod, something that you SHOULD take your time and do right. The fact that you could re-sell your headers for a couple hundred bucks can be a plus too. :)

...Which puts me back to the point of why buy an STS kit?

I'll cite my answer to this question-

In my case it is due to the fact that the PTK design requires removal of the driver side cooling fan and replacement with a less effective pusher fan. I'm in S. Florida, 95 degrees & high humidity in the summer (AC removal NOT an option :) ). Additionally, you are now adding additional exhaust system heat in an already packed engine bay (not to mention trying to squeeze that thing in there, I ran into several engineering "challenges" with the P600B :mad: ). I had a similar problem when I put a 383 into a 1984 RX7- too much heat in a small engine bay & nowhere for it to go- I could have louvered the hood, but this did not appeal to me. When I had the P600B & FMIC in place, I modded the cooling fans by replacing the stock units with thinner 12" Perma-Cool fans (allegedly rated at 1650 CFM each :bs: ) along with a front pusher fan ala PTK and this was a disaster- 240 degrees water temp & climbing W/O the AC on. This was with a Be-Cool radiator BTW.

If I were to add a turbo to my Durango, it would be the front mount style simply due to the fact that there is a huge amount of room in the engine bay and the truck has a large radiator & open front end for lots of airflow through an IC as well as oil coolers.

The Corvair used a "rear mount" turbo from the factory ;) :D and I have planned a twin turbo rear mount for it when I rebuild the motor.

I appreciate those that think outside the box and the STS kit addressed my concerns and needs for the TA. There is now ample documentation that their design will perform adequately at my desired power level, so this is why I'm going with an STS style install.

That having been said, if you can fit & use a PTK and if as stated above you shop, you can find a great deal and end up with exactly what you need or want.

is the list that live for ta's made enough stuff
Huh? :think:

is the lt4 camshaft good enough or what kind of cam would i need?
Maybe you should take this one step at a time. Start small and work your way up. There is a TREMENDOUS amount of knowledge that must be gained before attempting a project as complex and involved as a turbo installation. Maybe start with a cam swap, then a head swap. If you still want the extra power, add a turbo, but aim for 500 hp. If you manage to get that far, consider upgrading to 700 later. There is alot to learn in the areas of ignition, fuel system, computer tuning, oiling, intercooling, drivetrain, etc. . . before trying for 900 hp without MAJOR engine modifications.

Mike

It sounds to me like you need to sit down and evaluate what you want from your vehicle. 700-900 horsepower goal, the stock shortblock, and don't want to spend cash is completely unrealistic.

1) Inexpensive
2) Reliable
3) Fast

Pick 2. You can't have all 3.

1 & 2 = Keep it stock.
1 & 3 = Nitrous or boost, but it won't last forever.
2 & 3 = Whatever you want, but it don't come cheap.

Why is it when everyone wants to compare prices of a PTK kit to an STS kit, they compare a loaded down PTK kit w/ intercooler w/ your based out, non-intercooled STS kit? Of course the STS kit will be cheaper, it doesn't have nearly the components.

Though I won't post the vendor, as it isn't a board vendor, I found a GEN I LT1 PTK kit w/ air-water intercooler and T70 turbo complete for $3900 (I'm sure board vendors that carry PTK would match/beat that price, as this was a simple price listed on a website, not a special sale/GP that a vendor wouldn't be allowed to post). Just because PTK sells their kit for a certain price doesn't mean other vendors don't sell their products for significantly less.

Which puts me back to the point of why buy an STS kit?? You really aren't saving much money (if any at all when all is said and done). So what if it is a little easier to install; this is a major mod, something that you SHOULD take your time and do right. The fact that you could re-sell your headers for a couple hundred bucks can be a plus too. :)
can you pm me where i can get that PTK kit for that cheap?
thanks