It's going to cost GM $1.5 billion to lose Fiat

R377
02-13-2005, 01:33 PM
Good lord, I can't believe it's going to cost them that much.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2005/02/13/ap1822782.html


edit: make that $2 billion. Ah, what's another $500 mil? :rolleyes:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2005/02/13/ap1822789.html

Shoulda just bought it, let it declare bancruptcy, and let the pieces go to the highest bidder. This was nothing more than corporate blackmail.

number77
02-13-2005, 02:05 PM
why isn't their stock affected?

Josh452
02-13-2005, 02:20 PM
why isn't their stock affected?

If you are referring to trading shares on the NYSE, it's because the market is closed until tomorrow.

Indelibility
02-13-2005, 02:22 PM
Shoulda just bought it, let it declare bancruptcy, and let the pieces go to the highest bidder. This was nothing more than corporate blackmail.
Maybe, but Fiat had a debt of $10.4 billion. I don't think GM would want those numbers transferred to them. Even if they still declared bankruptcy after GM bought them, wouldn't that negatively affect GM to have that against them? I think GM did the right thing.

WERM
02-13-2005, 02:24 PM
2 billion? They could have purchased 7 Daewoo's for that.... :think:

This has got to be one of the dumbest business deals ever. Can anyone explain why they signed the original fiat deal in the first place?

Josh452
02-13-2005, 02:37 PM
GMEurope needed diesels, Fiat produces good diesels. That, and DCX wanted them, and GM stepped in and curbed that deal. What a favor they did to DCX.

R377
02-13-2005, 02:53 PM
GMEurope needed diesels, Fiat produces good diesels. That, and DCX wanted them, and GM stepped in and curbed that deal. What a favor they did to DCX.
Of course DCX has their own demons, what with Mitsubishi and all.

Has any automotive merger/buyout in the last 20 years been successful enough to warrant the cost? GM buying Saab? No. GM buying Isuzu? No. Ford buying Jag, Aston, Volvo, or Land Rover? Doubt it. DCX's 'merger of equals'? No. Maybe GM's purchase of Daewoo has a chance, but only after their price was cut to 10% of the original Ford offer. Automotive CEOs must be the worst history students on the planet.

90 Z28SS
02-13-2005, 04:13 PM
Of course DCX has their own demons, what with Mitsubishi and all.

Has any automotive merger/buyout in the last 20 years been successful enough to warrant the cost? GM buying Saab? No. GM buying Isuzu? No. Ford buying Jag, Aston, Volvo, or Land Rover? Doubt it. DCX's 'merger of equals'? No. Maybe GM's purchase of Daewoo has a chance, but only after their price was cut to 10% of the original Ford offer. Automotive CEOs must be the worst history students on the planet.

Isnt the Duramax engine a product of the Isuzu merger . That would been worth it right there as the old 6.5 was not exactly a fine piece and could not complete with powerstroke or cummins .

CaminoLS6
02-13-2005, 10:05 PM
Isnt the Duramax engine a product of the Isuzu merger . That would been worth it right there as the old 6.5 was not exactly a fine piece and could not complete with powerstroke or cummins .

Sure was.

Z284ever
02-13-2005, 10:27 PM
Here's the official GM release:





FOR RELEASE: 2005-02-13

CONTACTS

GM, Fiat Reach Settlement Agreement



Master Agreement Is Terminated
GM Preserves Diesel Engine Capability
Joint Cost Savings Expected to Continue


DETROIT - General Motors Corp (NYSE: GM) and Fiat S.p.A. (NYSE: FIA) today announced they have executed an agreement to terminate the Master Agreement between the companies and realign their industrial relationships. The boards of directors of both GM and Fiat have approved the settlement agreement.

GM will acquire certain strategic assets from Fiat to assure the future availability of a full range of diesel engines for vehicles produced by GM's global operations.

"GM and Fiat have agreed that it is in the best interest of their companies and shareholders to terminate the Master Agreement," said GM Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rick Wagoner. "GM has derived significant benefits from its association with Fiat Auto, including the accelerated development of diesel engines, cost savings and the joint development of certain vehicle programs. With this settlement, our overall financial returns will have been favorable.

"We believe that we have reached a fair and equitable agreement that enables both companies to maintain a high level of synergy savings, but in a more focused approach that gives each of us more freedom to act in today's competitive environment," Wagoner said.

Under terms of the agreement, GM will pay Fiat €1.55 billion to terminate the Master Agreement (including the put option) and to acquire an interest in key strategic diesel engine assets, and other important rights with respect to diesel engine technology and know-how. GM will return its 10 percent equity interest in Fiat Auto Holdings to Fiat S.p.A.

The most significant elements of the settlement agreement are as follows:

The Fiat-GM Powertrain (FGP) joint-venture company will be dissolved and GM will regain complete ownership of all GM assets originally contributed. During a transition period, FGP will continue to supply both companies so that their respective operations will not be disrupted;
GM will co-own with Fiat key powertrain intellectual property, including the SDE and JTD diesel engines and the M20-32 six-speed manual transmission;
GM will acquire a 50 percent interest in a new joint venture limited to operating the powertrain manufacturing plant in Bielsko-Biala, Poland, that currently produces the 1.3 liter SDE diesel engine;
The GM-Fiat Worldwide Purchasing joint venture will be dissolved.
The companies will continue to generate joint cost savings in several key areas, including:
Long-term agreements to supply each other with powertrains;
Continued cooperative development of certain vehicle programs;
Through Fiat's participation in GM's purchasing alliance program.
GM will take an after-tax charge to earnings of approximately US$840 million, or $1.49 per fully diluted share.

96_Camaro_B4C
02-14-2005, 01:21 PM
I read the press release too, and it says there will be an after-tax hit of $840 million, not $2 billion. Still a lot of dough, but not 2 billion bad. Is there more than that hidden somewhere? :confused:

Z284ever
02-15-2005, 10:23 AM
Anyone know what happens to the GM stock that Fiat recieved in the stock swap?

poSSum
02-15-2005, 01:25 PM
Anyone know what happens to the GM stock that Fiat recieved in the stock swap?

From Detroit News:

Dec. 21, 2002: Fiat says it has sold its 5 percent stake in GM for $1.16 billion.

guionM
02-15-2005, 08:12 PM
Don't forget that GM had $2 billion worth of investment in Fiat, that was worth just $200 million in 2004, and GM finally wrote off that amount last year. :eek:

That's on top of whatever they are giving Fiat to settle.

Gold_Rush
02-16-2005, 03:03 PM
GM...errr...Fiat announced today that they will aquires Maserati from Ferrari.
http://www.theautochannel.com/F/news/Headlines-Automotive.html

I'm sure GM funded a good portion of this new Fiat aquisition:).