Lost to a SRT-4 today :(

I have a stock 2000 M6 z28 and a buddy of mine just got a new srt-4 a few weeks ago for mods he has a boost controller, blow off valve, intake, wastegate... from a 30mph roll he only pulled a 1/2 car length up to 100mph and from a stop it was about the same i got him off the line and at about 60mph he started to slowly pull.. im kinda pissed but were good buddies but i gave him props for the fast car.. i guess its time to start moddin :cool:

heck yea dude, get some boltons on that ride:)

well im ordering an SLP airlid tommorow along with some pacesetter headers and y-pipe i think is this a good header/y-pipe set up or should i look for something else.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7950952432&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT i dont wanna spend alot of money because i wanna get as many parts as possible but dont wanna get crap.. whats your guys opinion?

You didn't mention anything about a catback, are you wanting to do headers/Y-pipe before exhaust?

If you only lost by half a carlength then a lid, free ram air mod and a catback should get you ahead of him.

first of all you should have pulled him are you shifting at 6000 rmp i pulled srt-4 that had the stage two kit when i was stock.


get an electronic cutout with your header ory combination and dont get a catback that way you have the best of both worlds loud and quiet. do the freemods they make a differents and get new spark plugs. have they ever been changed on your car, it might be time.

well the car came with a flowmaster muffler so i thought that might be enough for a few weeks before i can get some new stuff.. the car only has 37k miles on it do you think i need sparkplugs?? and yea i was shifting at about 5900rpms... his car was very quick it pulled about a car lenght on my buddies 98 z28 too... but im kinda new to the whole ls1 thing ive owned lots of 4cyl turbo cars but give me your opinions if you guys say catback first then ill do that.. btw thanks for the help guys

thats one 4 banger that moves w/ mods...I think it was more your driving though then his car being faster

first of all you should have pulled him are you shifting at 6000 rmp i pulled srt-4 that had the stage two kit when i was stock.
A stock LS1 will not pul a well-driven Stage 2 SRT-4. Sounds like you beat the driver.

Maybe you need to tune your car up?

i have pulled several srt-4 when my car was stock some with stage 2 and one with a bov, IC piping and a 75 shot. i also pulled an ls1 that made 328rwhp. this is all when my car was stock.

you really should pull every gear when the needle is on the 6000 mark which is right befor the rev limiter at 6200 rmp.

i have pulled several srt-4 when my car was stock some with stage 2 and one with a bov, IC piping and a 75 shot. i also pulled an ls1 that made 328rwhp. this is all when my car was stock.

you really should pull every gear when the needle is on the 6000 mark which is right befor the rev limiter at 6200 rmp.
i doubt that you pulled on a srt with those mods.. there extremely under rated similar to the LS1's and especially with a 75shot turbo cars tend to make almost 100hp at the rear wheel with a 75shot so i doubt you stock would take one of those.... ive been readin the srtforums this afternoon and from the posts those guys with boost controller, intake, wastegate, and bov are running consistantly low 13's so my 1/2 car loss hardly seems like driver error... but idk im sure i could have been better but from what i see now, me stock vs. him modded he just has the faster car right now :(

Back when I was stock back in July, I beat an SRT with an 8.9@81 and he had a 9.5@ like 78??. Before our track closed in NOV., I saw him run a 9.2. Not too bad at all for a 4 cyl!! There was one kid back in july running like 8.8's...8.7's. Dont know what he had??

:lol: @ the guy saying he pulled an SRT4 that had bov, IC piping and a 75 shot when he was stock.

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It appears the difference between "beating an SRT in stock form" and "losing to an SRT in stock form" simply depends on whether you own a "107 mph stock LS1" or a "103 mph stock LS1".

I've seen both, and I've always been confused as to why GM would make cars with a 40-50 hp variance, but anyway...

I know this is off subject, but if I was running 81-82mph in the 1/8 stock...and 84-85 mph modded...what mph would that be close to in the 1/4, stock and modded. Got me a 3.73 gear coming real soon, too!!

It appears the difference between "beating an SRT in stock form" and "losing to an SRT in stock form" simply depends on whether you own a "107 mph stock LS1" or a "103 mph stock LS1".

I've seen both, and I've always been confused as to why GM would make cars with a 40-50 hp variance, but anyway...

Gotta love GMs quality control. :thumb:

It appears the difference between "beating an SRT in stock form" and "losing to an SRT in stock form" simply depends on whether you own a "107 mph stock LS1" or a "103 mph stock LS1".

I've seen both, and I've always been confused as to why GM would make cars with a 40-50 hp variance, but anyway...
It's irrelevant because most well-driven Stage 2 cars will trap 104-105, just like most LS1's.

since some of you are so quick to call bs i though i would put a video of me pulling the 75 shot srt. the video has ****ty editing it was not made by me.

in the last race with the stage 1 and 5.0 i start 1 car behind both and gave them the hit

camera car is a stage 1 srt
there is a 16g gst with front mount and injectors
the yellow srt is the 75 shot
the 5.0 is cammed with stock ported heads stock ported intake manifold 3.73 gears flowmasters and some others
FC rx7 mods unknown
and my z28 stock

and the reason for talking about stock ls1 that trap 107 is because that is what i traped stock

http://flathat.woodstream.net/ColumbusRacing/Northwood/fowler/srt%204%20runs.wmv

I'm not calling BS. I'm saying you beat the driver, not the car.

just curious what does a stage 2 trap

the last stage 2 i raced i had about 2 cars on him by the end of fourth gear

It depends. I raced a stage 2 and barely beat him back when I was trapping 110. He ran me better because he was a stage 2 with the boost cranked up... So it's all situational. Oh and to the starter of this thread. Get the pacesetters and full exhaust and re-race him.... You will be suprised the difference it makes;)


Chris

Ya, pacesetters are AMAZING headers. Hell.. just get a full catback; imop a GMMP will be kickass on your car.

A stock LS1 will not pul a well-driven Stage 2 SRT-4. Sounds like you beat the driver.

Whatever. Don't make that statement so all inclusive. Some stock LS1's are trapping 107 mph. That easily has the ability to pull on a stage 2 srt4

Dan

well heres a video i thought was kinda interesting not saying all ls1's will proform similar to this guy but interesting enough... check it out:
http://www.ezarchive.com:80/ezarchi...0c7P1LbRzHZK4fK

guy says the SRT-4 is stock and the other guy has a lid, flowmasters, and mafs...

I cant get the link to work.

-Dustin-

well just go to there site heres the link and you can download it:

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113267

interesting enough.. i also find it funny there always talking us LS1 guys down over there but all those guys ever wanna do is go from a roll..

Whatever. Don't make that statement so all inclusive. Some stock LS1's are trapping 107 mph. That easily has the ability to pull on a stage 2 srt4

Dan
And so are some Stage 2 SRT-4's, ass. I'm talking about the AVERAGE LS1, and the AVERAGE Stage 2 SRT-4.

And so are some Stage 2 SRT-4's, ass. I'm talking about the AVERAGE LS1, and the AVERAGE Stage 2 SRT-4.

As am I.

Stooping to the level of name calling huh... How old are you?

Dan

You're the one that started with a snide comment, not me buddy.

What does an average stock SRT-4 run ?

What mods are needed to make a stage 1 SRT-4?

What does a stage 1 SRT-4 run?

What mods are needed to make a stage 2 SRT-4?

What does a stage 2 SRT-4 run?

What is the fastest any SRT-4 has run using the stock turbo, injectors, PCM ?

thanks...

Heavy

PS- To the threadstarter....get that exhaust and lid on there for goodness sakes. LOL :D :D

well i ordered my SLP airlid this morning along with some pacesetter LT's and off road y-pipe, and friday when i get paid again ill be ordering some sort of 3" catback and then we'll have another go at it this time though i get it on video for you guys to watch :)

well i ordered my SLP airlid this morning along with some pacesetter LT's and off road y-pipe, and friday when i get paid again ill be ordering some sort of 3" catback and then we'll have another go at it this time though i get it on video for you guys to watch :)

NICE ! :thumb: :thumb:

This is from the srtforums too reguarding the stock 1/4 mile times (looks like 13.9x-13.6x):

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111866

with slicks 13.4-13.2

Stage one= Blow off valve, wastegate, boost controller, intake
Stage Two= http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113390
Stage Three= Not exactly sure but 1/4mile times are high 11's low 12's not to shabby for fwd

I raced sn SRT-4 last Sunday. Let's just say that I want one of those. He kept up, until I hit 2nd gear. Put a good 5 cars on his ass but, I really liked the car.

Pulling 5 cars on someone does NOT qualify them as "keeping up" ;)

http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=279526

:D

I love that video, it cracks me up :D

5 cars is called "absolute domination"

-Dustin-

^LOL. Ya, seriously. But hey.. sink 10, 15g's into that neon and YOU TOO can beat a stock LS1 by a few carlengths.

Err, 10K?

http://www.modernperformance.com/dcx/srt_stage3kit.shtml
$3599.00
Stage 3 Kit with Turbo Toys in high-octane mode increases power to an amazing 355 hp at 5200 rpm and 365 ft.-lbs. of torque at 3200–4800 rpm

And that's if you go with the more expensive Mopar Stage III... Can be pieced together (and more powerful) for less.

Good video for the most part... I don't get the whole SRT-4 not a Neon thing. Mustang folks talking about what an SRT-4 is gonna look like in ten years was the funniest. Calling all POS Fox bodies...

-B

^Ya, any video that rips on Neons is good in *my* book as well :cool:
But still.. 4 g's is still quite a bit.

A stock LS1 will not pul a well-driven Stage 2 SRT-4. Sounds like you beat the driver.
Yes it will. I test drove a stage2 SRT-4 the other day. Was it fast? hell yes! Quick little car. But a M6 will pull one if it is driven right.

Yes it will. I test drove a stage2 SRT-4 the other day. Was it fast? hell yes! Quick little car. But a M6 will pull one if it is driven right.
A butt dyno tells you exactly jack ****.

A butt dyno tells you exactly jack ****.Are we gonna start the name calling again? Grow up! I dont care what you'r dyno say's. Besides, turbo engines are dyno queens anyway.

And I never put down the SRT so dont start running your jobs.
ANyone got a binki for this guy? :cry:

Trap speeds still tell the story. Numbers dont lie. With equal drivers the SRT-4 stage 2 still would not win. I had this same conversation with a Dodge mechanic the other day at our local Dodge dealership.

But there is no crime for you to be partial. Keep telling yourself that pal . I dontr mind :D Ill be back here on planet earth.

It's irrelevant because most well-driven Stage 2 cars will trap 104-105, just like most LS1's.
Mine trapped 108 STOCK...Bring on the SRT-4,2!
my best friends trapped 107
Most of our friends trapped 107 on average with a few trapping 105.

SRT-$ stage 2's trap 102-104. As a matter of fact I had the pleasure of beating one in the LT1 last spring at the track. his 13.7@103vs My 13.1@105

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AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!!!!!!!!! :lol:

I have a stock 2000 M6 z28 and a buddy of mine just got a new srt-4 a few weeks ago for mods he has a boost controller, blow off valve, intake, wastegate... from a 30mph roll he only pulled a 1/2 car length up to 100mph and from a stop it was about the same i got him off the line and at about 60mph he started to slowly pull.. im kinda pissed but were good buddies but i gave him props for the fast car.. i guess its time to start moddin :cool:
A boost control is a good mod for a turbo. Im not sure how much boost the stock turbo;s can handle but you can put down quite a bit of extra power with a turbo controller.

My buddy had one on his 300ZTT and it was as diff as day and night.

Are we gonna start the name calling again? Where did I call you any names? :confused:

I dont care what you'r dyno say's. Besides, turbo engines are dyno queens anyway.That is laughable at best. How is 230whp and high 13's stock make a dyno queen? Or 260whp and mid-low 13's with stage 2? Sure seems like they're running the number they should. Perhaps you need a refresher on what the term "dyno queen" really means.

And I never put down the SRT so dont start running your jobs. What does "running your jobs" mean? Speak english, please.

ANyone got a binki for this guy? :cry:A lame attempt at insult. Please grow up.

Trap speeds still tell the story. Numbers dont lie. With equal drivers the SRT-4 stage 2 still would not win.Read again. I never said a Stage 2 SRT-4 would beat an LS1. Not once.

I had this same conversation with a Dodge mechanic the other day at our local Dodge dealership.You spoke with a dodge mechanic? Since you spoke with the almighty, I guess we no longer have to question your credibility. :rolleyes:

But there is no crime for you to be partial. Keep telling yourself that pal . I dontr mind :D Ill be back here on planet earth. You own an LS1, and you're going to tell me you're impartial? :confused:

Are we gonna start the name calling again? Grow up! I dont care what you'r dyno say's. Besides, turbo engines are dyno queens anyway.

And I never put down the SRT so dont start running your jobs.
ANyone got a binki for this guy? :cry:

Trap speeds still tell the story. Numbers dont lie. With equal drivers the SRT-4 stage 2 still would not win. I had this same conversation with a Dodge mechanic the other day at our local Dodge dealership.

But there is no crime for you to be partial. Keep telling yourself that pal . I dontr mind :D Ill be back here on planet earth.

I don't think he called you a name. He said a butt dyno isn't an accurate gauge, which is true. Amazing that the majority of the fastest drag and street cars are running turbos. Those 6 second mustangs are just dyno queens right? lol

Trap speeds tell the story? Maybe some of it, but not all. I've got a friend with a turbo (dyno queen to you) civic. If the numbers don't lie, his 105 trap is far inferior to your all mightly ls1. Go from a roll on the interstate, and he blisteres you by 7, 8, or more cars, considering his car traps 105 on radials, and 118 on slicks. You had a conversation with a Dodge mechanic? I'm amazed. He must know everything, lol. How many teeth did he have, by the way? lol

A butt dyno tells you exactly jack ****.
What do you call this? No..dont look like you was calling me any names :confused:
At first glance I thought you was calling me Jack Asss with more then on S..My fault! oops.



And what I meant to say was running your jibs'

And as far as me saying the LS1 is faster, I stressed that because you said and LS1 wont pull a a stage 2 SRT-4. Wich it willl. Mine would have beat one like a red headed step child.

And dont take things out of context . My speaking with a mechanic had nothing to do with me backing up what I am saying. Im sorry you took it that way.

I don't think he called you a name. He said a butt dyno isn't an accurate gauge, which is true. Amazing that the majority of the fastest drag and street cars are running turbos. Those 6 second mustangs are just dyno queens right? lol

Trap speeds tell the story? Maybe some of it, but not all. I've got a friend with a turbo (dyno queen to you) civic. If the numbers don't lie, his 105 trap is far inferior to your all mightly ls1. Go from a roll on the interstate, and he blisteres you by 7, 8, or more cars, considering his car traps 105 on radials, and 118 on slicks. You had a conversation with a Dodge mechanic? I'm amazed. He must know everything, lol. How many teeth did he have, by the way? lol
Brain, are you trying to be a smart ass? When I said numbers dont lie I was thinking that you would use your head assuming the numbers are pulled from decent 60's that are comparable between a SRT-4 and an LS1.Not you friends civic. Did anyone here mention a Civic? Get back on the same page man!

Once again I never said my conversation with the Dodge mechanic was to verify anything. Please re-read it..It pretty much says I had a conversation with a mechanic about it. Dont try and be a smart ass. I dont know what the " LOL" was for..did I miss a punchline?
And dont tell me " dyno queen to you" because you dont know what I think of anything. We are not talking about a civic. We are talking about a stock stage2 SRT4 trapping near a 105. We are comparing numbers between the NEON SRT4.vs LS1..can you understand this? WTF does a 118 MPH civic have to do with anything? Read this..ok?

SRT-4 stage2 vs Stock LS1 trap speeds....

That was the subject.
As far as his comment about the dyno It was misunderstood on my end as I didnt look it over that well. I was reading multiple threads at a tmie as they loaded. That was my fault.

There is no way in hell a Stage 2 SRT-4, given equal drivers, is going to pull on a 6-speed LS1, if it's RUNNING PROPERLY, ESPECIALLY if it's an '01 or '02 LS1.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1269976.html?page=11&c=y

1/4 mile: 13.15 sec. @ 108.27 mph

Bone stock down to the paper air filter...

****

To the guy with the 2000 Z28 that lost by 1/2 car, how many miles does the car have on it since it's now 5 years old? Around 75k? When's the last time you replaced the plugs/fuel filter/etc? You might need a tune-up bro...

And like I said before --

There are just as many 101-102 mph stock LS1s out there.

John, I have no doubt that there are many low 100 mph LS1s out there, but is that simply due to horrible track and atmospheric conditions? IOW, maybe during the same time that an LS1 ran 102 mph, an LT1 would run 97 mph, etc.

My stock AUTO LS1 trapped 106mph

There is no way in hell a Stage 2 SRT-4, given equal drivers, is going to pull on a 6-speed LS1, if it's RUNNING PROPERLY, ESPECIALLY if it's an '01 or '02 LS1.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1269976.html?page=11&c=y

1/4 mile: 13.15 sec. @ 108.27 mph

Bone stock down to the paper air filter...

****

To the guy with the 2000 Z28 that lost by 1/2 car, how many miles does the car have on it since it's now 5 years old? Around 75k? When's the last time you replaced the plugs/fuel filter/etc? You might need a tune-up bro...
:bow: :bow: :bow: My point exactly :D Mine did as well.

John, I have no doubt that there are many low 100 mph LS1s out there, but is that simply due to horrible track and atmospheric conditions? IOW, maybe during the same time that an LS1 ran 102 mph, an LT1 would run 97 mph, etc.

Exactly! I'm sure my Legacy has a couple more tenths left to shave too - I raced at 80 degrees with 99% humidity.

Still, to say all LS1s trap at 107-108 really confuses lots of LS1 owners who have never trapped near that, manual or auto. There are LS1 C5's that didn't do over 104-105.

Some of the '98 LS1 6-speeds only dynoed about 280 rwhp stock in good running order. Some '01s dynoed 321 rwhp. This is part of the reason for the difference in times and trap speeds. Gotta hand it to GM for the great quality control. :rolleyes:

There is no way in hell a Stage 2 SRT-4, given equal drivers, is going to pull on a 6-speed LS1, if it's RUNNING PROPERLY, ESPECIALLY if it's an '01 or '02 LS1.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1269976.html?page=11&c=y

1/4 mile: 13.15 sec. @ 108.27 mph

Bone stock down to the paper air filter...

****

To the guy with the 2000 Z28 that lost by 1/2 car, how many miles does the car have on it since it's now 5 years old? Around 75k? When's the last time you replaced the plugs/fuel filter/etc? You might need a tune-up bro...

the car has 38k on it im sure its still on its original plugs and fuel filter im sure.. ill replace it soon when id my headers and y-pipe but i think the 1/2 car difference could have been me not power shifting either though.. i had just gotten the car and was takin it kinda easy on it

i think another contributing factor to that was also it was very cold out.. 20 degrees when we did the runs and the rolls were from about 25 mph and i had traction issues but he didnt ever pull anymore after the got teh jump hence the 1/2 car lenght.. i also had a passanger in my car and he was alone in his...im guessing with some better driving and warmer temps i wont have any more problems with him

Take it from someone who's had 6 forced induction cars....cold weather is a much bigger advantage for him than it is for you. In 75 degree weather I can run 17-18 lbs of boost (with no detonation) and make about 320 rwhp. When the temp drops down below 40 or so, I have to dial the boost controller back to 15 lbs. to avoid detonation and it still makes about 345 rwhp. On my Supra TT's (which don't have fuel starvation issues like my Z) I've noted as much as a 50 rwhp difference between 90 degrees and 35-40 degrees. He had a big advantage with the weather. Race him when it's 90 and you'll spank him.

Jason
i think another contributing factor to that was also it was very cold out.. 20 degrees when we did the runs and the rolls were from about 25 mph and i had traction issues but he didnt ever pull anymore after the got teh jump hence the 1/2 car lenght.. i also had a passanger in my car and he was alone in his...im guessing with some better driving and warmer temps i wont have any more problems with him

Take it from someone who's had 6 forced induction cars....cold weather is a much bigger advantage for him than it is for you. In 75 degree weather I can run 17-18 lbs of boost (with no detonation) and make about 320 rwhp. When the temp drops down below 40 or so, I have to dial the boost controller back to 15 lbs. to avoid detonation and it still makes about 345 rwhp. On my Supra TT's (which don't have fuel starvation issues like my Z) I've noted as much as a 50 rwhp difference between 90 degrees and 35-40 degrees. He had a big advantage with the weather. Race him when it's 90 and you'll spank him.

JasonThe exact opposite is true with the SRT-4. The computer compensates for weather conditions. An SRT-4 will make damn near the same power in 20 degrees as it will at 80 degrees. In summer I see anywhere from 5-7psi more boost than I do in winter.

the car has 38k on it im sure its still on its original plugs and fuel filter im sure.. ill replace it soon when id my headers and y-pipe but i think the 1/2 car difference could have been me not power shifting either though.. i had just gotten the car and was takin it kinda easy on it
Show no mercy :death: :death:

haha well going from a fwd GST eclipse to a RWD z28 is a bit of a shellshock if ya know what i mean... its all different now.. we ran again the other day and from 30mph roll i started pullin had a 1/2 car on him by 50 so im not to sure what happend the first time although i did just replace my airlid with a SLP one and that old paper air filter (looked like the original) so that could have been what was holdin me back too..

Oh yeah, forgot about that. We've talked about this before. I assume it does that because it can't provide enough fuel in cold weather, right? So when you get larger injectors, then what? Can you bypass that with a piggyback ecu or something? I wouldn't want my computer killing the boost when it's cold if I had enough fuel to cover the extra air.

Jason
The exact opposite is true with the SRT-4. The computer compensates for weather conditions. An SRT-4 will make damn near the same power in 20 degrees as it will at 80 degrees. In summer I see anywhere from 5-7psi more boost than I do in winter.

There's some really funny stuff in this thread. Please continue, I'm getting a kick out of it.

BTW....unless there is something mechanically wrong with them, all LS1 F-bodies are capable of 105+ mph - though they certainly don't all do it, for a very wide variety of reasons.

The exact opposite is true with the SRT-4. The computer compensates for weather conditions. An SRT-4 will make damn near the same power in 20 degrees as it will at 80 degrees. In summer I see anywhere from 5-7psi more boost than I do in winter.

Then that means the computer is pulling out lots of horsepower at 20 degrees. Way to go Dodge. :rolleyes:

That's what I'm saying. Why not have a more competent fuel system and not mess with the ecu. I really look forward to those cold nights when my Z feels like a Supra:)

Jason
Then that means the computer is pulling out lots of horsepower at 20 degrees. Way to go Dodge. :rolleyes:

I assume it does that because it can't provide enough fuel in cold weather, right? Nah, it can provide plenty. A stock SRT-4 is pig, fat, horrible rich. My tailpipes are coated with carbon within 50 miles of cleaning them. On the dyno I was richer than 10.25:1, because it couldn't read any richer.

A stock LS1 will not pul a well-driven Stage 2 SRT-4. Sounds like you beat the driver.

Yes it will and I am a huge srt fan.

Yes it will and I am a huge srt fan.

Not at 4000' where I race. Turbo cars have a big advantage up here. I saw a stage 2 SRT-4 with DRs only lose by 2-4 cars to a Z06! :eek:

well today was round 2.. only difference was i have an SLP airlid now and am drivin better... we went from a roll twice from about 30mph and i pulled a car and kept pullin up to about 90 or so mph both times... it was a completely different race.. cant wait till i get more boltons on haha..

well today was round 2.. only difference was i have an SLP airlid now and am drivin better... we went from a roll twice from about 30mph and i pulled a car and kept pullin up to about 90 or so mph both times... it was a completely different race.. cant wait till i get more boltons on haha..

:bow: Good work! Way to show him V8 power. A well driven LS1 is a formidable machine.

i guess in most cases the best mod is becoming a better driver..

i guess in most cases the best mod is becoming a better driver..

Oh yeah!

hey i got those vids.. anyone wanna host them??

Well guys i guess in another week or two we will find out what that stage 2 kit is all about my buddy just ordered it yesterday after his losses last week so now im gettin excited.. i also just got my catback on although i still havent recieved my headers and ORY yet but what do you guys think with catback and headers vs. stage 2?? im thinkin hes gonna have alot better chance from a roll but im hopin ill pull on him good off the line (with is fwd traction problems) also the dealership i work for just became a Nitrous Oxides System (NOS) dealer so we can get smokin deals on n2o kits so im thinkin a direct port 150shot.. although my srt4 buddy has no idea ive already ordered it haha

you shouldn't have a problem

Well guys i guess in another week or two we will find out what that stage 2 kit is all about my buddy just ordered it yesterday after his losses last week so now im gettin excited.. i also just got my catback on although i still havent recieved my headers and ORY yet but what do you guys think with catback and headers vs. stage 2?? im thinkin hes gonna have alot better chance from a roll but im hopin ill pull on him good off the line (with is fwd traction problems) also the dealership i work for just became a Nitrous Oxides System (NOS) dealer so we can get smokin deals on n2o kits so im thinkin a direct port 150shot.. although my srt4 buddy has no idea ive already ordered it haha

Man, you've got the mod bug baaaaad. :) Join the group. "Hello, my name is _____, and I'm a modaholic."

Dan