Tire + Wheel = Tweel

ImportedRoomate
01-06-2005, 06:44 PM
The Tweel

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/1118200411192.jpg

PAX (Michelin's run flats) is clearly a technology of today, already in OEM use. But at the Paris motor show, Michelin presented a tire technology of the future that could possibly reach consumers in 5-10 years. Called the Tweel (a combination of "tire" and "wheel"), it's a non-pneumatic tire and wheel formed as a single unit, featuring a replaceable rubber tread band that's bonded to an aluminum wheel hub via flexible polyurethane spokes. The spokes, tuned for each vehicle application, are chemically bonded to the aluminum hub for life. With no sidewalls to speak of, the Tweel certainly looks bizarre, but remember, there's no need for this tire to hold air.

Engineer Bart Thompson says the idea for the Tweel originated five years ago at Michelin in North America, when the company realized its zero-pressure tires could essentially go forever with reduced speed and loading. This posed the question: "Could Michelin make a non-pneumatic tire that actually does last forever?"

The Tweel attempts to answer that, and its advantages are many. First, flats obviously are a thing of the past. Second, the tread, reinforced with composites, is renewable, and it benefits from having homogeneous pressure distribution in its contact patch. Third, the Tweel has dramatically better hydroplane resistance because holes, for instance, can be integrated into the tread. And lastly, drivers will never have to worry about inflation pressures, or a slow leak, because Tweels are essentially maintenance-free.

Initial applications have been for low-speed vehicles such as golf carts, farm equipment and military vehicles, but Michelin has already been testing Tweels on a midsize car. For the record, the tire on display at the show, the same shown in the photo here, has a load rating of 1125 lb., and an assembly weight of 23 kilograms (50.7 lb.), which Michelin says is within 5 percent of the weight of a conventional wheel and tire of the same size.

At present, noise and ride quality are issues for passenger-car application of the Tweel, and there are other hurdles to clear, not the least of which is the infrastructure needed to change the tread bands. Nevertheless, the Tweel is fascinating technology, and Michelin is actively seeking niches for it right now. — Andrew Bornhop

No problem here with these three topics: Michelin's PAX System, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's proposed Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems, and Continental's ContiSportContact 2 Vmax."

pretty cool idea, I like how the tread could be perforated for cooling and water evac. I would think wind noise of not having a side wall would be noticable.

Pretty neat, though they gotta make that sidewall look a little better.

unvc92camarors
01-06-2005, 07:20 PM
yea, i read that before
interesting
but what would happen if you need some drag radials?
or slicks?
you'd have to go back to the standard wheel/tire or have them make a tweel for that purpose

jawzforlife
01-06-2005, 07:30 PM
thats got to be one hell of a stiff ride.

But then you could easily be rollin' on 50" tweels

MissedShift
01-07-2005, 06:54 AM
but what would happen if you need some drag radials?
or slicks?
you'd have to go back to the standard wheel/tire or have them make a tweel for that purpose

Looks like it uses a standard bolt pattern to me...

Big Als Z
01-07-2005, 10:26 AM
And I thought the PAX system was odd.

godofdragons
01-07-2005, 04:08 PM
these would only replace the all season setups that people have. racing will always only use what's best regardless of what is being used on the road. until racing is outlawed, there will always be racing equipment available

Meccadeth
01-07-2005, 04:15 PM
Very interesting and modern, I like it. I hope we get them in production cars as soon as possible. I'm surprised current tire technology is even accepted anymore.

unvc92camarors
01-07-2005, 09:20 PM
Very interesting and modern, I like it. I hope we get them in production cars as soon as possible. I'm surprised current tire technology is even accepted anymore.
we're making strides everyday
take an old iroc stock tires and the tires on today's cars and you'll see (and feel) a noticeable difference
and that's only in that 15 year span
this is good though that something new is coming, hopefully it'll be affordable soon

TheV6Bird
01-07-2005, 09:45 PM
The thing about tweels is that they just look......weird!

Though I'm sure the aftermarket will take care of the looks, it is just something people will need to get used to.

Capn Pete
01-07-2005, 10:30 PM
I'm sure they could form "side walls" to cover up those "spokes"...make it appear like a normal pneumatic tire, just without the requirement to inflate it;).

And there's nothing stopping them from making a super-sticky "racing compound" tweel for the race track:thumb:. Just think of the body roll those would eliminate in corners!:eek:

unvc92camarors
01-07-2005, 10:42 PM
I'm sure they could form "side walls" to cover up those "spokes"...make it appear like a normal pneumatic tire, just without the requirement to inflate it;).

And there's nothing stopping them from making a super-sticky "racing compound" tweel for the race track:thumb:. Just think of the body roll those would eliminate in corners!:eek:
yea, i'm just saying you'd either have to have a whole new tweel or get standard wheels/tires for your needs

and yea, i don't think they look that bad
heck, some of the low profile tires and huge wheels come close to the tweel

number77
01-07-2005, 11:12 PM
i thought of this before :lol: that exact design actaully, but air is better for racing.

Meccadeth
01-08-2005, 06:58 AM
we're making strides everyday
take an old iroc stock tires and the tires on today's cars and you'll see (and feel) a noticeable difference
and that's only in that 15 year span
this is good though that something new is coming, hopefully it'll be affordable soon
I'm sorry, I kind of worded it wrong..I'm surprised that the current way of making wheels and tires are still accepted by the public. I am disturbed that somebody hasn't "reinvented the wheel" yet so to speak. We're riding on the basic structure thats been used for more than a century. I feel the same way about the hydramatic transmission. You think they wanted the same transmission technology to be used 60+ years later? Manual transmissions, I can understand somewhat, but I still can't beilieve that we as consumers accept such old technology when it comes to things like this. What about Steering wheels for cripes sake!? Same thing over and over for a hundred years.

guionM
01-08-2005, 10:06 AM
Early 3rd gen Trans Ams and late 80s Mustang GT had finned alumunum rims. In both instances, a big complaint was that they were a pain in the butt to clean & keep clean.

I think those "tweels" would be a nightmare in that regard.

305fan
01-08-2005, 10:38 AM
UGLY! :yuck: :yuck: Lets hope thisidea is just that and never comes into production

unvc92camarors
01-08-2005, 12:05 PM
I'm sorry, I kind of worded it wrong..I'm surprised that the current way of making wheels and tires are still accepted by the public. I am disturbed that somebody hasn't "reinvented the wheel" yet so to speak. We're riding on the basic structure thats been used for more than a century. I feel the same way about the hydramatic transmission. You think they wanted the same transmission technology to be used 60+ years later? Manual transmissions, I can understand somewhat, but I still can't beilieve that we as consumers accept such old technology when it comes to things like this. What about Steering wheels for cripes sake!? Same thing over and over for a hundred years.

"you'd think he was trying to re-invent the wheel"
:lol:

yea, i can see what you're saying, but then again, cars really have only took off in the past decade again
previously, to most people, they were just modes of transportation
now everybody's got the "personalization" thing going on with their car, even if it's just a sticker or something
i think we'll start to see the public take more of an interest in something like this now

ImportedRoomate
02-01-2005, 11:23 AM
Heres a video.
http://www.muchosucko.com/video-nomoreflatsorblowouts.html

Darth Xed
02-01-2005, 11:32 AM
I watched a story about this on the news a week or so ago.

They said road noise was terrible at 50mph+ , and it was somethign they really had to address.

They showed tweels on a military vehicle. It ran over a mine, and it damaged the tweel, but it was still functional! :shock:

Pretty cool tech, but I also hope they would do something for a sidewall, becuase it looks horrible like that!

Chrome383Z
02-01-2005, 11:46 AM
I like it. I think they need to work the bugs out and I'm sure that an automobile version would have "fake" sidewalls.

I agree technology is not near where it should be, but part of that reason is people don't want to pay 100,000 dollars a car. To put that much research and development to develope would just increase the cost of your vehicles and your average car purchaser could care less about Tweels, or wheels for that matter. The current car does all they need.

I bet the aftermarket wheel companies are scared of this technology, OOPS no more market!

jwade95Z
02-01-2005, 01:21 PM
I like it too. Makes sense, and certainly appears to have potential for use immediately.

Run flats have very stiff/thick sidewalls for the blow-out support. I'm sure these would just have the opposite, a softer sidewall that would expand/flex at a similar rate as the internal support.

The aftermarket companies would adapt ... Manufacturer's currently tune the wheel/tire/spring/shock combo to the ride desired; aftermarket companies do the same ... All this would require is a retuning of those components, if springs and shocks are even still needed.

iCE
02-01-2005, 04:12 PM
that has got to be the most retarded idea ever

MissedShift
02-01-2005, 04:57 PM
All this would require is a retuning of those components, if springs and shocks are even still needed.

You would still need springs, but the size and weight of the rest of the suspension could probably drop dramatically.

I also think that if the car was designed from the outset for tweels, it wouldnt look as dumb as that audi does.

Phenom Z28
02-01-2005, 06:58 PM
Heres a video.
http://www.muchosucko.com/video-nomoreflatsorblowouts.html
:eek: Those last two inventions were cool too. I want a tweel now! :cry:

DWray
02-01-2005, 07:34 PM
Early 3rd gen Trans Ams and late 80s Mustang GT had finned alumunum rims. In both instances, a big complaint was that they were a pain in the butt to clean & keep clean.

I think those "tweels" would be a nightmare in that regard.

I am 97% sure that if the tweel becomes standard equipment on vehicles, there will be a large aftermarket with many different designs of tweels.

It may be more limited than todays endless wheel selection, but it'll be there.

More than likely, there will also be a sidewall.

:p