2006 Viper GTS

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I like it. I have always like the Viper coupes though.

Don't like it. Looks too much like the last one. Not that the last one looked bad, but why redesign it if it won't look any different?

I thought the GTS concept from 2 yrs ago had a better roofline. I think that's the problem. They just stuck the old greenhouse on the new car and so it looks goofy.

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330213

Saw it in this month's C&D... looks great to me... with the hardtop and roof- stripes, it's way better looking than the other non FRC version which looks too much like a HondaS2000. Can't wait for an 05 Z06 vs 05 Viper SRT10 matchup :metal:.

Looks badass. The regular Viper is OK (the old one looked better), but in coupe form with those 5 spoke wheels, I'm digging it. I'm glad it looks much like the old one (roof and rear end). The "racing" coupe that debuted around the same time as the production roadster, the coupe with the long rear end and different roof, looks totally goofy compared to this curvy production coupe.

I'd still take a new Z06, of course, but the Viper coupe is freaking sweet. :thumb:

Looks kinda goofy with the old-style roof on the new styled car.

Either way it still looks good.

Like it even though it looks alot like the 97,98,99 etc

No longer "GTS," but simply coupe. They no longer particpate in GTS class racing.

Did they jack those tail lights from a 4th Gen Camaro? :confused:

WOW :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

If I were rich I don't think I could decide between the Viper coupe or the new Z06. I like how the Viper is purpose built for speed only. No fluff like navigation, sound deading, refinement, Onstar, XM radio, Bose speakers, HUD, electrolumnicent gauges, keyless ignition, door buttons :rolleyes: , or other such junk found on the new Vette.

While looking at Viper specs on Dodge's website, it is interesting to note that there is an inside emergency trunk release. I want to know how anybody would fit into the Viper's trunk. That gave me a good laugh.

While looking at Viper specs on Dodge's website, it is interesting to note that there is an inside emergency trunk release. I want to know how anybody would fit into the Viper's trunk. That gave me a good laugh.

:lol: Maybe it's for when you accidentally lock Fido in the trunk.

WOW :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

If I were rich I don't think I could decide between the Viper coupe or the new Z06. I like how the Viper is purpose built for speed only. No fluff like navigation, sound deading, refinement, Onstar, XM radio, Bose speakers, HUD, electrolumnicent gauges, keyless ignition, door buttons :rolleyes: , or other such junk found on the new Vette.And yet, the roomier, quieter, more refined Corvette still manages to weigh about 200 to 250 lbs less than the Viper. :think:

I do agree that it would be cool if one could get a decontented Z06 (they already reduced some of the sound deadener vs. the regular C6) if one really wanted to go racing. Of course, not everything you mentioned there adds weight. Navigation system? How much heavier is that than a same-sized CD player/changer? Keyless ignition? Hell, that probably SAVES some weight. And besides, even though a decent percentage of Z06 owners will actually take their cars to the track, many of those guys (and all of the non-track going owners) still want the luxuries and features available on other cars in the price range. Look how much the 911s weigh now (once noted for their compactness and light weight vs. competing sports cars). Look how much the ultra-exotic carbon fiber and aluminum megabuck cars (Enzo, Carrera GT, Ford GT, Gallardo, F430) weigh. The Vette is as light or lighter than all. Safety features and the desire for luxury have pushed the weight of cars up over the years. In that light, a 3130 lb Z06 is damned impressive.

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I think the new z06 will eat it up...though both should be exciting cars

What is the HP supposed to come in at on these, 550hp? I'm betting the Z06 will have it's hands full...

What is the HP supposed to come in at on these, 550hp? I'm betting the Z06 will have it's hands full...
550hp/500tq

I think the car is suppse to wieght a little less compared to the old GTS.

The magazine articles are all saying it will have the same power/torque as the roadster. 500 hp / 525 lb-ft or whatever.

The Z06/Viper contest will be a good one in terms of outright speed. Beyond that, though, the Vette is the superior car, no question about it. And for significantly less coin, again.

I wouldn't mind having one of each... :(

And yet, the roomier, quieter, more refined Corvette still manages to weigh about 200 to 250 lbs less than the Viper. :think:



Gee do you think that difference in weight could be the added 2 CYLINDERS, and Rotating assy?

Really does nothing for me. Looks so much like the last gen. ANd when is that engine being retired? Aren't they working on a Hemi V10?

My order would be: Z06 Corvette
Ford GT
Viper

The magazine articles are all saying it will have the same power/torque as the roadster. 500 hp / 525 lb-ft or whatever.

The Z06/Viper contest will be a good one in terms of outright speed. Beyond that, though, the Vette is the superior car, no question about it. And for significantly less coin, again.

I wouldn't mind having one of each... :(
From what I've read in the magazines, the Viper has a better chassis than the Vette, being more stable and more communcative. The Vette is supposed to be faster, just a bit more diffcult to drive at the limit. It seems the viper could use a bit more power if it wants to stay on top.

I think its a matter of splitting hairs though. Both cars have limits so high 97% of customers will ever reach them... safely. The Vette isnt as unique a car to own, but offers more ammenities. The Viper is more crude and a head turner.

Does no body remember this article?
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0401_vipandgt/index5.html

Its kinda funny that before the Z06 no one really glofiried the Viper as being an exotic killer for half the price. I guess Viper guys did...

Gee do you think that difference in weight could be the added 2 CYLINDERS, and Rotating assy?You felt it necessary to revive a thread from January to say that? :think: ;)

But to answer your question, no. The extra two cylinders in the engine do not alone account for the 250 lb weight difference. And even if they did, who cares? The Vette is making the same or more power, and weighs less.

It is the faster car, and more real world driveable. Works for me. :)

I just wish they would put more gear in the Viper. 355s, or something other the the 307s that are in it. I think it is pretty amazing of how well it preforms with only 307s.

I just wish they would put more gear in the Viper. 355s, or something other the the 307s that are in it. I think it is pretty amazing of how well it preforms with only 307s.

Motor is very tq'y and it isn't high-winding by nature. In the end, 3.07's were probably suitable.

The SRT10's makes its peak power at a fairly low 5,600rpms too. Again, not much of a revver. Probably why they opted for longer gearing vs the GT (3.36) and z06 (3.42) both of whom make their peak hp and redlines at a much higher rpm.

It maybe a low reving motor, but even guys have 3.42s stock in their LT1s and 3.73s really wake up a 5.0. It sure would help the car pull more coming out of a corner.

Gee do you think that difference in weight could be the added 2 CYLINDERS, and Rotating assy?

If two cylinders added 250lbs, that would mean with rough numbers that the total engine weight would be 1250lbs. That weight is on par with the iron block/head 5.9 Cummins diesel. So it's likely the majority of the 250lbs. is stuff else where.

It maybe a low reving motor, but even guys have 3.42s stock in their LT1s and 3.73s really wake up a 5.0. It sure would help the car pull more coming out of a corner.

LT1's weren't making near 400rwtq at just 3,000rpms nor where they getting 12 city miles per gallon.

The Viper already gets poor fuel economy (not that this is a major concern), but i'm sure it was something they (Dodge) had in mind as well when they opted for the longer gearing.

Viper also has NO traction aids whatsoever other than meaty tires.

I'm sure they could have gotten away with shorter gearing, but in the end, i'm sure they had their reasons for going with the 3.07's.

Motor is very tq'y and it isn't high-winding by nature. In the end, 3.07's were probably suitable.

The SRT10's makes its peak power at a fairly low 5,600rpms too. Again, not much of a revver. Probably why they opted for longer gearing vs the GT (3.36) and z06 (3.42) both of whom make their peak hp and redlines at a much higher rpm.

The Ford GT spins to 6500 rpm, as opposed to the Viper's 6000 rpm. I wouldn't exactly say the Ford GT revs much higher than the Viper.

The vette is faster, gets better fuel economy, and costs less. If i was someone who didnt care about what brand i was buying, this would be my pick

The Ford GT spins to 6500 rpm, as opposed to the Viper's 6000 rpm. I wouldn't exactly say the Ford GT revs much higher than the Viper.

I meant peak power specifically.

Viper - 510hp @ 5,600 rpms

GT -550hp @ 6,500rpm's (redline)

Ford GT makes power right upto its redline, while the Viper's starts dropping off after 5,600rpms.

The viper will have its hands full to compete on the track with a new Z06 that costs much much less, has many more amenities, and looks better (subjective). Anyone that says the Z06 isnt a performer because it comes with optional nav is an idiot. I DONT LIKE the viper because it cant offer what others can. It has to go no frills to get where it is, while the Z06 can do it better, cheaper, with a better interior. Sure the viper has its "exclusivity", but how many tenths is that worth? Bah, pi$$ on viper, give me a new Z06.

I meant peak power specifically.

Viper - 510hp @ 5,600 rpms

GT -550hp @ 6,500rpm's (redline)

Ford GT makes power right upto its redline, while the Viper's starts dropping off after 5,600rpms.

Are you sure it makes peak power at redline? I checked a few websites on it, and they are in agreement, but many of the same websites I checked say the new z06 makes peak power at 7000 rpm, which is wrong (makes peak power at 6300 rpm I believe.) Why would Ford force you to shift at exactly peak horsepower? I would think that would repeatedly dump you out of the powerband for every shift.

The viper will have its hands full to compete on the track with a new Z06 that costs much much less, has many more amenities, and looks better (subjective). Anyone that says the Z06 isnt a performer because it comes with optional nav is an idiot. I DONT LIKE the viper because it cant offer what others can. It has to go no frills to get where it is, while the Z06 can do it better, cheaper, with a better interior. Sure the viper has its "exclusivity", but how many tenths is that worth? Bah, pi$$ on viper, give me a new Z06.

I would bet that Chrysler is itching to try out their supposed hemi v10 in the new Viper, and get its king of the hill status back. I can't really see Chrysler sitting on its hands and letting the Viper get beat on for very long. I love how the Viper comes with no frills, hell for the longest time the thing didn't even come with cupholders.

Are you sure it makes peak power at redline? I checked a few websites on it, and they are in agreement, but many of the same websites I checked say the new z06 makes peak power at 7000 rpm, which is wrong (makes peak power at 6300 rpm I believe.) Why would Ford force you to shift at exactly peak horsepower? I would think that would repeatedly dump you out of the powerband for every shift.

I have no idea. I've looked at the MT magazine, C&D, Ford website, edmunds, yahoo auto, and all list the GT's peak hp exactly at its 6,500rpm redline.

I don't know why they did that. Maybe the fall off isn't as bad during shifts, but that still wouldn't make much sense.

I would bet that Chrysler is itching to try out their supposed hemi v10 in the new Viper, and get its king of the hill status back. I can't really see Chrysler sitting on its hands and letting the Viper get beat on for very long. I love how the Viper comes with no frills, hell for the longest time the thing didn't even come with cupholders.

Yes. No traction aids, nothing. Hell, it'll burn your shins after a hard run if your shins where to come in contact with the covering over the side exit exhaust.

It's a raw car in looks, and manner. I kinda like that myself. I also like the rarity.

I do hope they get serious about retaking top honors though.

Are you sure it makes peak power at redline? I checked a few websites on it, and they are in agreement, but many of the same websites I checked say the new z06 makes peak power at 7000 rpm, which is wrong (makes peak power at 6300 rpm I believe.) Why would Ford force you to shift at exactly peak horsepower? I would think that would repeatedly dump you out of the powerband for every shift.
The Ford GT does make peak power at 6500rpms.

Ferrari 360's and F430's also make their peak power at their 8500rpm redlines, so making power at redline is not unheard of.

Yes. No traction aids, nothing. Hell, it'll burn your shins after a hard run if your shins where to come in contact with the covering over the side exit exhaust.

It's a raw car in looks, and manner. I kinda like that myself. I also like the rarity.

I do hope they get serious about retaking top honors though.

All the reasons I like the Viper. Its all business. I would bet Chrysler will get serious about getting putting it on top again.

The Ford GT does make peak power at 6500rpms.

Ferrari 360's and F430's also make their peak power at their 8500rpm redlines, so making power at redline is not unheard of.

http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Number=5519275

Looks like the Ford GTs peak power is made just under 6500 rpm, and by 6500 rpm it has started to trail off. I don't remember about the 360, but I remember reading something extensive on the F430's engine, and I think it made peak power at something like 7800 rpm, and redlined at 8500 rpm. Its probably going to be hard to find a dyno graph of that though.

All the reasons I like the Viper. Its all business. I would bet Chrysler will get serious about getting putting it on top again.It may be all business, but as I pointed out earlier (way earlier, as in January, when this thread originated!), even with all the "frilly" stuff the Vette has, it is still lighter by the Viper by 200-300 lbs.

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The Vette is better at the "business" part and still manages to offer some nice features.

It may be all business, but as I pointed out earlier (way earlier, as in January, when this thread originated!), even with all the "frilly" stuff the Vette has, it is still lighter by the Viper by 200-300 lbs.

:)

The Vette is better at the "business" part and still manages to offer some nice features.

And imagine how much better the Vette might be if it didn't have all that "frilly" stuff.

http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Number=5519275

Looks like the Ford GTs peak power is made just under 6500 rpm, and starts to trail off. I don't remember about the 360, but I remember reading something extensive on the F430's engine, and I think it made peak power at something like 7800 rpm, and redlined at 8500 rpm. Its probably going to be hard to find a dyno graph of that though.


Probably just that specific GT or the dyno. I'm sure peak power is 6,500rpms if that is what Ford said it is in their technical specs.

Something i've noticed with the dyno above vs the one in the MT test (GT vs z06 vs Srt10)...the one above makes 20rwhp less than the one in the MT, but it makes 21rwtq more:confused:. 20 Less wheel hp, but 21 more wheel tq. I realize the one graphed above isn't really broken in yet (only 835 miles), and there's always discrepancies with dyno's, but i'm surprised the difference isn't uniformal.

I did not say the 2 cyl make up the 250, but the addition of 2 cylinders, plus rotating assymbly, added length to the heads, intake, and what not hav eot be somewhere up of a significant increase in weight, I didn't say that made the Vette inferior either BUD. I was clarifying a few things that could translate for the added weight just as the 20x13 rims and tires could add to that too bud

I did not say the 2 cyl make up the 250, but the addition of 2 cylinders, plus rotating assymbly, added length to the heads, intake, and what not hav eot be somewhere up of a significant increase in weight,

You do have a point. While the extra 2cyl don't add 250lbs, the Vipers v10 engine is significantly heavier than the z06's Ls7. I don't know what the newer 8.3L SRT10 engine weighs, but the older 8.0L v10 weighed in at 716lbs with accessories, and around 650lbs without i believe. I don't think the newer 8.3L v10 is any lighter.

I's alot heavier than the Ls7. Chevy/GM really did their homework with the LsX engines.

http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Number=5519275

Looks like the Ford GTs peak power is made just under 6500 rpm, and by 6500 rpm it has started to trail off. I don't remember about the 360, but I remember reading something extensive on the F430's engine, and I think it made peak power at something like 7800 rpm, and redlined at 8500 rpm. Its probably going to be hard to find a dyno graph of that though.

Well, Ford's website says it peaks power at 6500rpms and if you go to Ferrari's website or read this (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8896&page_number=4) Car and Driver article you'll see that for the F430 Ferrari claims a hp peak at redline too. Dyno graphs are almost never going to correlate exactly with what a manufacturer claims on paper.

I am aware of how dynographs work, and how inconsistent they may be. Two different dynos may give two different hp levels, but dynos do not change where the heads breathe their most efficiently in the rpm range. I would doubt the hp curve looks much different on a different dyno. Perhaps I can find another GT dynograph after work today. I still am really suspicious of a car that makes peak hp at its redline. That is not a very effective way of stratling the horsepower curve.