Custom "Hidden" Fuel Cell for Nitrous *PICS*

I've talked about my car for years, but never really had pics to show. Well my new e-mail offers hosting so here they are.

http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Engine%20Bay%20Drivers%20Side%20Smal l.JPG

http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Engine%20Bay%20Pass%20Side%20Small.J PG

Fuel Cell and Dummy Battery
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Engine%20Bay%20Side%20Fuel%20Cell%20 Small.JPG

Fuel Cell and Dummy Battery Close Up
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Engine%20Bay%20Side%20Fuel%20Cell%20 Close%20Small.JPG

Gauge Cluster with recently remove oil temp, and 0-15 psi fuel pressure added
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Gauge%20Cluster%20With%20Switches%20 Small.JPG

DynoTune Blue backlit nitrous pressure gauge (blurry shot...)
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Nitrous%20Pres%20Gauge%20Small.JPG

"QWK GOST" The car that started what is now the obsession... Bone stock it went 14.1 @ 98mph (A4, t-tops, etc.)
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/'95%20Camaro%20QWK%20GOST.jpg

1LE intake elbow, MTI cold air intake, Accel 300+ ignition system, HPP+, 160* thermo, poly trans mount and TA mount, K&N valve cover breather, BFG DR's 255-50-15, fastest was 13.5 @103mph, 1.98 60 ft.
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/'95%20Camaro%20Minor%20Mods.jpg

July something, 1998 28,xxx miles located in Studio City/Burbank.
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/'96%20Camaro%20First%20Day.jpg

Stock Engine
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/'96%20Camaro%20STOCK.jpg

As the Engine looks today
http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Engine%20Bay%20Small.JPG

The custom nitrous kit (NX parts) custom fuel cell and custom fuel system are thanks to folks on here. Pics I saw of their setups, PM's I sent, tech tips, etc.

Thank you all very much.

PS: This is what I've got so far out of the custom fuel system and nitrous kit at "100 hp shot" levels (50 hp per nozzle.)

Nitrous and NA Dyno Graph (http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/LT1%20Nitrous%20Small.JPG)

As you can see, we let out about 5,200 rpm as the motor started to go lean. Should see nearly 700 rwhp on a "100 shot" from NX tech themselves. Not to mention the 750ish torque.

Thanks again for all the help over the years. Looking for 9's finally.

That dumby battery is the exact same thing i am doing with my zex box. Should be quite good.

Nice,
A freind of mine has one of those dummy battereis in his dart.
Your set up with our hidden cheater intake would be a truely 100% hidden system and still have seperate fuel system.
Dave

very clean install on the fuel cell, but i have to ask... why are you trying to hide your nitrous system when the nozzles are still plumbed into the side of the elbow?

Those dummy batteries are great. I've hid everything from nitrous solenoids to alky setups in them. :D

Where can you get a dummy battery like that? Was it custom made? Can you buy one already like that?

Well the dummy battery is more to keep the engine compartment looking stock. Besides the Trick Flow intake elbow, the two Shark nozzles, the headers and the over the valve cover wires the engine looks stock.

It's great, I'll break off a mid to high 10 at the track and folks will come over to check out the car. Then they see under the hood and look around for another white Camaro... Then they ask if it was me and I say yes. And they are even more shocked to see the stock 6-spd inside. Can't wait to feel a 9 sec run out of it... Although I won't be the first, it will still feel great for me.

I went to a local battery shop (actual an AC Delco supplier) and asked them to order me one. $20 and I got it. Not quite what I wanted and I need to redo it. I wanted a flat top, like a sealed one that came in the car... but he could only get the older (add water) style. He ordered it with the lid off, so I had to cut the bottom out, and the cross baffles inside, and then epoxy the lid on. Doesn't look that clean in person, but no-one ever notices it. I have a stock ground strap that I am going to bolt onto the terminal for more authenticity, but I need a stock power one to match.

At first I wanted to put the nozzles under the intake, or more at an angle to hide them, but with the Meziere water pump it just wasn't feasable.

I more wanted a clean install. My first nitrous install (5176 dry) was totally hidden. I hid the solonoids in the ASR box and ran split loom over everything else. The only way you could find the kit was to look for the fan nozzle going up into the 1LE bellows.

Nitro Dave... what does your setup look like?

I don't street race anymore (they cracked down HARD out here) because of the possibility of being sent to the Ref, going to jail, car impounded, lawsuit, etc. And I am trying to get hired by a police agency so I'm on super secret double probation :D So there is no need to hide the nitrous from other "racers", I just like the clean looks of a stock engine compartment and shocking people when they see it run the numbers. Not to mention how easy it is to work on without all that crap in the way.

The solonoids are mounted on a bracket under/behind the lower radiator support.

Gauge Cluster with recently remove oil temp, and 0-15 psi fuel pressure added http://my.starstream.net/beccruice/'96%20Camaro/96%20Camaro%20Gauge%20Cluster%20With%20Switches%20 Small.JPG

Where did you get or how did you make that gauge cluster? I'd love to move mine from off the A-pillar to something like that.

And why do you say built motors and dry nitrous kits don't mix?

Thanks,
Joe

I got that gauge panel from RK Sport back in the DAY. Not sure if they make/sell them anymore... but about the ONLY thing worth buying from those crooks.

You could get it with no holes, no cig lighter, or two cig lighter holes, and two gauge holes, etc.

I opted for one cig lighter and no holes and drilled my own.

I think it was $35-$60...

As for dry nitrous kits and built motors...

On my stock '96 LT1 with stock manifolds and dual cat I went from 13.1 @ 106mph to 11.7 @ 119mph with the 5176 kit (150 shot.)

With my 396 solid roller, AFR heads, etc with the SAME EXACT kit, I went from 11.22 @ 122mph to 10.78 @ 129mph.

So before I dropped 1.4 seconds and gained 13mph and with the built motor I dropped .44 and gained 7 mph?

I know the faster you go, the harder it is to go faster, but still.

So I built this custom fuel cell/fuel system/nitrous kit to handle up to a 300 shot. But with the numbers I'm getting out of the "100 hp shot" I doubt I'll ever even try 300.

My motor has JE pistons, Oliver Billet Rods, Callies crank, Oliver billet splayed mains (even front and rear billet caps), ARP studs, 11.9:1 comp ratio, etc. Cam is a 250ish/250ish .660"ish/.660"ish on a 112ls. AFR 190's worked over to measure 218-219 cc, to keep the low lift numbers good. Car pulls from idle to 7,000 rpm, no dead spots.

Unfortunately RKSport doesn't make those gauge panels anymore and I can't find one anywhere.

Those are interesting before/after results with the stroker. I'm running the 5176 kit now and may just to convert to wet soon as I'm curious.

Well, feel free to use that pic and ask around to see if anyone knows who makes them. I doubt that RK Sport made them themselves anyway. They were known as taking other products, claiming them as their own and marking them WAY up. And charging rediculous prices for shipping...

I have something similar in my car..
http://www.quarter-mile.net/images/TA/interior/ACpanel.gif
My fuel pump switches, alky controls and boost controller all goes in there. Need to get a new plastic piece though...the faux carbon fiber looks pretty gay. :death:

For my battery box, I just got an old junk one and knocked the bottom out of it and cleaned it out real good. Cost me...well, nothing. :D

WHYTLIE, Do you mind sharing the specs on your nitrous set-up? I am wanting to run a dual nozzel set-up with a seperate fuel system for a 200 shot.

I just bought two NX Shark nozzles, custom lines from solonoids to nozzles.

NX Nitrous solonoid... large style
NX Fuel solonoid... large style
(I forget the oriface sizes of the solonoids)
Misc fittings to Y out of solonoids and up into braided lines to fogger nozzles.

I used some .060" alluminum and had someone weld it together. I got a JAZ fuel cell cap. Some alluminum weld in bungs. Other misc fittings and scraps of alluminum for the hold down straps.

I have a Holley Blue pump (comes with regulator) with -8an feed (gravity drain) from the bottom left rear of the fuel cell. Earl's -8an fuel filter inline before the pump. -8an out of the pump into the regulator. Blocked off one side of the regulator and out of the regulator is -6an line to the fuel solonoid. RIGHT after the regulator is a fuel pressure gauge. RIGHT at the fuel solonoid is an adapter fitting with one side my 0-15 Autometer gauge sending unit is located, the opposite side is where I have a .030" jet going into a -3an line (whatever equals -3an in hard line) that goes back to the top of the fuel cell for a bypass (so pressure doesn't build up, and no air gets trapped by the solonoid.)

I also used some -6 (whatever equals -6an in hard line) for the vent tube. I didn't have room to run a tipover vent right on top of the fuel cell, so I ran the line into the fender and made a roll 3 times with the end sticking straight up. I'm thinking I could place a rollover valve on that and be sorta safe.

Thats about it. Sure did cost a TON, and I would have done things differently. I don't like to half ass anything, and with my skill level and tools available to me, I didn't do things exactly to my liking. I would never have relocated the battery to the spare tire well, nor put the fuel cell where it is now.

Good luck with your project and make sure you have PLENTY of extra cash on top of whatever you think it will cost.

Hey thanks for the info. So that is a low pressure "carb style" fuel system. I thought you would have to run a high pressure fuel system. Is the .030 jet in there to prevent too much fuel from bypassing the solenoid?

Yes, this is considered a low pressure "carb style" fuel system. At first I was running 10psi and going by NX's jetting for that pressure.

Then when I called back to ask why I was gaining 178+ hp (by 5,200 rpm, far from peak) and 305 ft lbs of a 100 shot (50 hp per nozzle.) And to ask why the system would start going lean at a certain rpm.

Found out I have to flow the fuel system through the solonoid and through the jets I will be running (or a Holley carb fuel jet calculated out to the size of the jets I would run...)

So I have yet to get back on the dyno, but I'm guessing about 680-700 rwhp and 750 ft lbs off a "100 shot".

As for the .030" jet. Yes, that is to restrict how much fuel returns to the fuel cell. I've heard of people running .017 up to .045 so I shot for the middle. I figure as long as it bleeds off any extra pressure (from pressure creep?) or any air that gets into the system, it has done it's job.

I was hoping for new track times tomorrow (Sat at Sacramento Raceway) but the weather is bad, and I havn't had time to get back on the dyno to tune the nitrous.

Nice setup !!

I've got the Red positive terminal end (and black also) if you wanna pay shipping, i'll be glad to send it to you to use :) I rape everything from F-bodies that enter the yard before anyone gets their hand on them :D

-Shannon

So you have the red cover for the large gauge wire from the battery down to the starter? I only need 6-8" of that. But I don't need just the red part. I need the metal washer, the red cover and the large gauge wire so it looks factory stock.

And I'd pay for shipping and packaging for sure.

Thanks for the offer.

I have a few sets of these laying around, but they are complete and in good condition so I don't want to hack them up.

i see you changed out the accell 300 ign , was there a drawback with it/

i see you changed out the accell 300 ign , was there a drawback with it/

Nope, that was a different car.

That was on my '95 Z-28 A4 with t-tops.

The car I currently have is a '96 Z-28 M6 hardtop.