Johnny Hunkins says Camaro is a 100% go for '07

Blue89Bird
01-06-2005, 02:30 AM
Get Your Money Ready: The Camaro Is Back For 2007



Those with a passing familiarity with my time as editor of sister magazine GM High-Tech Performance can attest to the !:act that I've given GM its justly deserved lumps for killing off the Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird. Even in my short one-year tenure as editor of PHR, I've made the revival of the F-body somewhat of a battle cry. Apparently, you agree with me because in all my tirades I've yet to receive one letter or e-mail condemning my position while hundreds of you have telegraphed your support.

Together, we have sent the message over the past three years that we want our F-car back. And today, I'm pleased to announce with absolute certainty that it will be back for the 2007 model year. I'd like to thank all of you for supporting what, perhaps selfishly, I consider to be a personal crusade. When you think about it, this is a personal thing for all of us—even Mustang guys. (Hey, you're nothing without competition, right?) Just think: New V-8 Camaros and Mustangs lining up side-by-side, more powerful, safer and fuel-efficient than ever. But I'm getting ahead of myself.



The details of the upcoming car are a little murky, but we can tell you for sure that the new Camaro will be rear-wheel drive and V-8-powered. (Phew!) As the months pass, we know more and more about the Zeta platform on which the Camaro will be based. The architecture will first become the home for a new Buick mid-lux car for the 2006 model year. They're calling it Velite—for now.
The idea behind the Velite is simple. Turn Buick into an aspi-rational brand for young people with money, a la Lexus IS300. Buick will have to do this with rear-wheel drive to "sell" it to those crossing over from established rear-wheel drive brands such as Lexus, Infinity or BMW, and they'll have to do it with equal or better quality at a lower sticker price (at least initially). How committed is GM? Buick is killing the Park Avenue and revamping its entire product line in a bid for greater market share. The figures don't lie: The average age of the Buick customer is 60, and if something isn't done to bring in younger buyers, the Buick customer base will just die out, and take the brand with it.

As luck would have, the mechanical architecture and cost of the Zeta platform are right in the cross hairs of Camaro. Ironically, the success of Buick depends on the Velite being a profitable cost-effective car, meaning that Buick will have to share Zeta with other brands such as Chevrolet, Pontiac and Holden.

But Camaro will not be a rebadged Buick. With today's flexible design capability and streamlined design cycles, expect the Camaro to share only gray metal. Virtually all the important parts of Camaro will be different from the Velite in terms of appearance, ride, performance, and interior styling. Stuff you don't see that doesn't affect these critical areas will be either shared or derived from similar parts from the same supplier, thus saving cost. GM is pushing its suppliers hard to cut costs without cutting quality, and sharing sub-systems or components within a subsystem helps that happen.

Rumors of a new Camaro have been floating around since before production even stopped on the previous generation, but until now, there hasn't been solid proof. Perhaps in another era, we wouldn't be able to confirm this, but with GM cutting so many mid-level white-collar jobs, it was inevitable that more of the mundane design and styling tasks go to tier-one suppliers such as Delphi, who are currently bidding on the steering column and airbag safety system for the 2007 Camaro.

We're excited that Delphi—the world's largest automotive supplier—will be involved with Camaro. When it comes to vehicle safety, Delphi is a leader in the field. (In 1956, Delphi designed the first integrated padded instrument panel; in 1966, they developed the first 2- and 3-point safety harnesses; in 1973, the first production airbag restraint system; in 1996, the first airbag integrated into a steering wheel; and in 2001, the first passive occupant detection system.) As racers and gearheads, we don't give enough thought to how safe our cars are (or aren't!), but trust me, it's important, and we think Delphi is a great choice for the Camaro.

To every silver lining, however, there is a cloud. There will be no Pontiac Firebird. In a conversation reported by Ward's Auto World, GM product boss Bob Lutz acknowledged the end of the Firebird by stating, "Firebird's day is gone." We doubt anybody but hard-core Firebird enthusiasts will care though. One of the ideas behind Zeta is that it will underpin the new GTO once the current Holden-built run is over. Those wanting a smaller, less-expensive performance car from Pontiac need look no further than the rear-wheel drive Solstice, which is a no-brainer for a pumped-up version from Mark Reuss's crew at GM Performance Division.
There will be plenty for everybody to cheer about without the Firebird. With the Mustang coming on line later this year and an SVT Cobra a year or two later there ought to be lots of choices for performance nuts on a budget. Add to the fray the new Corvette, The GTO and Solstice, the CTS-V from Cadillac, the Dodge Magnum Hemi RT and the new Charger, and you've got an embarrassment of riches for rear-wheel drive performance fans of all persuasions.

If your budget isn't in the new-car V-8 range, don't fret, the news is even better. All these new models will push used car prices down into the cellar. Used V-8 Camaros, Firebirds, Corvettes and Mustangs will be cheaper—and faster—than the stratospherically-priced musclecars from the '60s. Right now, used LT1 Camaros and Firebirds can be had for $4,000. Fox Mustangs with V-8s go for half that.
Now that's what I call progress!

number77
01-06-2005, 02:46 AM
Get Your Money Ready: The Camaro Is Back For 2007
link?

1.he is telling us what we already know.
2.in his article his is wrongfully hinting that he is/was the leader for bringing back the Camaro
3.he is a magazine editor, most likely he just got the old cleveland pdf

edit:it appears he just got the info about Delphi and the Camaro steering column/air bag

Blue89Bird
01-06-2005, 02:51 AM
link?

1.he told us what we already know.
2.in his article his is wrongfully hinting that he is/was the leader for bringing back the Camaro
3.he is a magazine editor, most likely he just got the old cleveland pdf

Can't find a link....I got it in a newletter sent from v6fbody.com....It looks like he wrote it for them...but I can't tell.

I know we already knew it would be back, but comming from him, gives me a little more hope. :)

What cleveland pdf? link?

number77
01-06-2005, 02:58 AM
Can't find a link....I got it in a newletter sent from v6fbody.com....It looks like he wrote it for them...but I can't tell.

I know we already knew it would be back, but comming from him, gives me a little more hope. :)

What cleveland pdf? link?
the cleveland pdf file is restricted to be shown on this site.

edit: :)

Brangeta
01-06-2005, 03:14 AM
Well, it's nice to hear, but why didn't he give his proof? Why is this all of a sudden news? Who told him it was 100% postive? I mean, I could have typed that article and I sure don't have any proof either.

teal98
01-06-2005, 03:39 AM
Well, it's nice to hear, but why didn't he give his proof? Why is this all of a sudden news? Who told him it was 100% postive? I mean, I could have typed that article and I sure don't have any proof either.

Pick 1.

a) He doesn't want the person who told him to go to jail, get fired, etc.

b) He wants the person who told him to keep telling him new info.

What difference would it make anyway? He could say "Joe Slim at Delphi told me about this . . .". Joe Slim could just deny it at that point anyway. Then where's your proof?

Proof will come when GM is ready to give it to you.

Meccadeth
01-06-2005, 04:15 AM
If it comes from Hunkins mouth, then it is solid.

smackkk
01-06-2005, 04:49 AM
This is an older article. I cant find the thread but I'm almost positive I've read it before. The only thing I can find dating this article though was this....

"With the Mustang coming on line later this year"

Mustangs been out 3 months now.

teal98
01-06-2005, 05:15 AM
If it comes from Hunkins mouth, then it is solid.

Yes, well Red Planet all but confirmed it just a short time ago . . . something about Santa needing a bigger sleigh in two years.

Of course, he might just be talking about a new performance option for the Cobalt!

Seems unlikely.

Z28x
01-06-2005, 07:47 AM
MY 2007 or CY 2007?

2K1SunsetSS
01-06-2005, 07:55 AM
I hope they don't borrow any exterior parts from one of the other cars.

guionM
01-06-2005, 08:51 AM
It was written this past summer.

The source was probally Delphi.

Bob Cosby
01-06-2005, 08:54 AM
This is an older article.
Yup. I can't place it either, but I'm pretty sure I've read that before.

muckz
01-06-2005, 08:58 AM
Old stuff, I remember us talking about Delphi ... oh, how many months ago now.

PacerX
01-06-2005, 09:28 AM
Anybody here still believe the date is right?

GM's Purchasing contracts specifically address the issue that a supplier (even someone as big as Delphi) cannot announce a new business award without prior approval by GM. Could be considered breach. Not good.

OutsiderIROC-Z
01-06-2005, 10:05 AM
Of course, he might just be talking about a new performance option for the Cobalt!


YUCK, I hope not.

Z284ever
01-06-2005, 10:10 AM
Anybody here still believe the date is right?



No.

NikiVee
01-06-2005, 10:14 AM
The proof will be at the NAIAS in 2006. If no Camaro is shown at that show, then you can bet no camaro is coming back.

jawzforlife
01-06-2005, 10:18 AM
The proof will be at the NAIAS in 2006. If no Camaro is shown at that show, then you can bet no camaro is coming back.

If there is a car at the 2006 show, dont you think we would hear something about it buy the fall of this year (2005). Or are they on double secret lock down on anything to do with a Camaro?

Z284ever
01-06-2005, 10:39 AM
Johnny is a nice enough guy and a true enthusiast.....but I don't believe that I personally share his vision of what a 5th gen Camaro should be.

My perception is that he is rooting for an "as cheap as possible" motor in a box V8 car, with live rear axle. It conjures up images....for me...of a sort of shortened Trailblazer platform with 2+2 seating. Very far from my personal vision for Camaro.

Johnny, are you out there? Anything to add?

Chris 96 WS6
01-06-2005, 10:46 AM
Johnny is a nice enough guy and a true enthusiast.....but I don't believe that I personally share his vision of what a 5th gen Camaro should be.

My perception is that he is rooting for an "as cheap as possible" motor in a box V8 car, with live rear axle. It conjures up images....for me...of a sort of shortened Trailblazer platform with 2+2 seating. Very far from my personal vision for Camaro.

Johnny, are you out there? Anything to add?

Given that he's originally a 5.0 Mustang guy [which really was a cheap box with a v8 and live axle, really just a motor platform], I think you are probably right.

Z284ever
01-06-2005, 10:50 AM
Given that he's originally a 5.0 Mustang guy [which really was a cheap box with a v8 and live axle, really just a motor platform], I think you are probably right.

Oh, I know for a fact that I'm right.....just wondering if his view is any different right now.

NikiVee
01-06-2005, 12:20 PM
If there is a car at the 2006 show, dont you think we would hear something about it buy the fall of this year (2005). Or are they on double secret lock down on anything to do with a Camaro?

Yes we should, if they is one in the making. I suspect that there is not. Not a camaro at least. ;)

Evil Turbo SS
01-06-2005, 12:38 PM
Hasn't it been said that the Zeta coupe might not be called Camaro. So we know that we are getting a V8 RWD car in MY 2007. It just might not be Camaro.

guionM
01-06-2005, 01:00 PM
Given that he's originally a 5.0 Mustang guy [which really was a cheap box with a v8 and live axle, really just a motor platform], I think you are probably right.

I probally have more of a 5.0 Mustang history than he does. Having personally owned at least 6 5.0 Mustangs, including my attempt to drive one '85 LX coupe into the ground (the car won, and I sold it at 225,000 miles), I should be more of an engine in a box type than anyone, but I'm not.

Take a gander at some of the hard core Camaro fanatic's posts here. You'll get the impression that alot of them feel that GM should simply bring back the old 4th gen with a Z06 engine and the public will go gaa-gaa over the result and they'll sell boatloads of them. :rolleyes:

Not sure Johnny's position on it (though I technically work for him), but I think he's more of a Hot Rod-Drag Strip type of guy, and they tend to be engine in a box guys. I'm more of a Autocross-Road Course type, so I value a car that doesn't side-hop on real road curves and has horrific rolling acceleration.

Ironic for a former 5.0 Fox Mustang guy.

Maybe my T-bird SC spoiled me. :lol:

Josh452
01-06-2005, 01:19 PM
That is an old article and, in typical GM fashion a lot has changed. Especially on the Buick front.

But wait, I wouldnt know anything though because GM does not pay to fly me places nor give me vehicles to do reviews in. :rolleyes:

poSSum
01-06-2005, 01:36 PM
Delphi: In my world bidding on something and having a contract are two very different things.

Johnny & corners: I seem to recall him really enjoying corners in the Thunderchicken build up.

Johnny & spelling: The car is Infiniti. ;)

Mutiny32
01-06-2005, 01:38 PM
I probally have more of a 5.0 Mustang history than he does. Having personally owned at least 6 5.0 Mustangs, including my attempt to drive one '85 LX coupe into the ground (the car won, and I sold it at 225,000 miles), I should be more of an engine in a box type than anyone, but I'm not.

Take a gander at some of the hard core Camaro fanatic's posts here. You'll get the impression that alot of them feel that GM should simply bring back the old 4th gen with a Z06 engine and the public will go gaa-gaa over the result and they'll sell boatloads of them. :rolleyes:

Not sure Johnny's position on it (though I technically work for him), but I think he's more of a Hot Rod-Drag Strip type of guy, and they tend to be engine in a box guys. I'm more of a Autocross-Road Course type, so I value a car that doesn't side-hop on real road curves and has horrific rolling acceleration.

Ironic for a former 5.0 Fox Mustang guy.

Maybe my T-bird SC spoiled me. :lol:

Yeah, most of my friends are Fox Body guys who slowly evolved into SN-95 guys say that the 4th gen is too....bland. The car has no hard lines, just curves. While that's great, it's just not the styling the masses are into right now. Also, they all say the frond end looks like a catfish.

And they also say that they LOVE my '92. They always ask about it and what happened to it. I really haven't hear of one person who didn't love the '91-92 Camaro bodystyle.

guionM
01-06-2005, 01:55 PM
Yeah, most of my friends are Fox Body guys who slowly evolved into SN-95 guys say that the 4th gen is too....bland. The car has no hard lines, just curves. While that's great, it's just not the styling the masses are into right now. Also, they all say the frond end looks like a catfish.

And they also say that they LOVE my '92. They always ask about it and what happened to it. I really haven't hear of one person who didn't love the '91-92 Camaro bodystyle.

Catfish?! That's a new one. :lol:

I never really warmed up to the SN95 till the '99 Mustang rebody. It got my attention, but I really didn't go fall for it till the Mach 1. Now that I actually drove that blown Cobra, it's the only other car I'd consider right now outside of the GTO (and to a slightly lesser extent, the new Mustang).

I came over to Camaro because of performance and it being something different. It was the quickest ride you could buy for the money, and it actually had utility with the hatchback & fold down rear seats.

I also like it's Monza on steroids look (I had a Spyder before I bought my 1st 5.0). I agree, the design of the 4th gen is FAR from tidy. It bulges out in as many places as Elvis in his final years (coincidence? :think: ). The car's overhangs made it look like the exterior bodywork was put on a chassis the size of a Pinto. And what's with that ridiculous windshield?!

But at night, you can't beat the overall impact of a shiny 4th gen Camaro, especially the pre-'98's with the recessed headlights. Hard to name anything that looks meaner. :D

Mutiny32
01-06-2005, 02:07 PM
Catfish?! That's a new one. :lol:

I never really warmed up to the SN95 till the '99 Mustang rebody. It got my attention, but I really didn't go fall for it till the Mach 1. Now that I actually drove that blown Cobra, it's the only other car I'd consider right now outside of the GTO (and to a slightly lesser extent, the new Mustang).

I came over to Camaro because of performance and it being something different. It was the quickest ride you could buy for the money, and it actually had utility with the hatchback & fold down rear seats.

I also like it's Monza on steroids look (I had a Spyder before I bought my 1st 5.0). I agree, the design of the 4th gen is FAR from tidy. It bulges out in as many places as Elvis in his final years (coincidence? :think: ). The car's overhangs made it look like the exterior bodywork was put on a chassis the size of a Pinto. And what's with that ridiculous windshield?!

But at night, you can't beat the overall impact of a shiny 4th gen Camaro, especially the pre-'98's with the recessed headlights. Hard to name anything that looks meaner. :D


I'm just the opposite, I hate the '98's and up, with the exception of the '03-4 Cobras.

Anyways, about the catfish comment, this is an avatar that a buddy of mine uses on Missouri fbody:

http://mutiny32.com/catfishls1.jpg

He's a reader of this board, so he'll most likely IM me for posting his avatar. :D

redzed
01-06-2005, 02:12 PM
It was written this past summer.

The source was probally Delphi.

Could it be that the Kappa rumor was deliberate disinformation?

krazzycowgirl
01-06-2005, 03:16 PM
You guys would take the word of a editor over someone who really works for GM???? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Josh452
01-06-2005, 03:23 PM
Most of the time I know I would. Simply because people inside GM can not tell us things that editors can tell us because they do not work for the company. If we went by everything GM tells us, the next Camaro would not arrive for another 30 years.

krazzycowgirl
01-06-2005, 03:29 PM
Most of the time I know I would. Simply because people inside GM can not tell us things that editors can tell us because they do not work for the company. If we went by everything GM tells us, the next Camaro would not arrive for another 30 years.

But you know that some of these Editors put false information out because they dont know the true story, or that they were told to just because they wanted to start a hype. Doenst mean that they are truely putting out information we can use or anything.

Ramune
01-06-2005, 05:41 PM
To every silver lining, however, there is a cloud. There will be no Pontiac Firebird. In a conversation reported by Ward's Auto World, GM product boss Bob Lutz acknowledged the end of the Firebird by stating, "Firebird's day is gone." We doubt anybody but hard-core Firebird enthusiasts will care though. One of the ideas behind Zeta is that it will underpin the new GTO once the current Holden-built run is over. Those wanting a smaller, less-expensive performance car from Pontiac need look no further than the rear-wheel drive Solstice, which is a no-brainer for a pumped-up version from Mark Reuss's crew at GM Performance Division.
There will be plenty for everybody to cheer about without the Firebird.
Well that's a big **** you from Lutz. Nice. Whee... glad I signed that petition. Not.