z06 specs anyone seen this?

just wondering if this could be real. if so those numbers are crazy

http://vorlon.case.edu/~aap8/gallery/c6z06spy/CD_Art_3?full=1

Yes they are right as of now, #'s could go higher closer to launch this fall.

I like the price C/D has $62,500 :bow: I bet the real fuel economy #'s will be better

11.7 @ 127mph according to GM.

Time for the magazine racing with the Ford GT:

Road & Track
12.2 @ 122mph

Car and Driver
11.6 @ 128mph

Motor Trend
11.32 @ 131mph

That's a LOT damned closer than many here thought. I can't wait for the comparo.

Just think of the pressure Ford and GM are gonna be under trying to plot a way to get the mags a "ringer"...

Coletti might have picked the right time to retire...

11.7@127 that is sick :eek:

11.7@127 that is sick :eek:

On thing is absolutely sure...

If you try conclusions with a C6 Z06 in a Ford GT, at the VERY LEAST you had better be at the top of your game or you're gonna be staring at 4 cute taillights and a set of crossed flags on a big old rear end in short order.

Whether or not you'll be staring at them anyway is now the only question left...

Man if they are trapping speeds like that then the new ZO6 will hit the 10s easy..

Man if they are trapping speeds like that then the new ZO6 will hit the 10s easy..

Heh...

According to most current track rules you'll have to put a cage in it to find out... DEAD STOCK.

It'll probably run a 13.4 at Lapeer though, and still get broomed.

PacerX <---- Lapeer Dragway hater. My backyard is a better track as long as I've mowed it that week.

I bet it's got more in it. :bow:

According to most current track rules you'll have to put a cage in it to find out... DEAD STOCK.
:eek: :eek: That just hit me! :bow: :metal:

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168808&perpage=15&pagenumber=14

Middle of the page.

May be my best post ever.

Just wanted to share. :shame:


EDIT: Note my mad l33t MS Paint skillz.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168808&perpage=15&pagenumber=14

Middle of the page.

May be my best post ever.

Just wanted to share. :shame:


EDIT: Note my mad l33t MS Paint skillz.


:bow: :Owned:

On thing is absolutely sure...

If you try conclusions with a C6 Z06 in a Ford GT, at the VERY LEAST you had better be at the top of your game or you're gonna be staring at 4 cute taillights and a set of crossed flags on a big old rear end in short order.

Whether or not you'll be staring at them anyway is now the only question left...

Careful there, lest you ignite the wrath of all the Ford Fanboys. I said 6 mos ago this car was going to be a match for the vaunted Ford GT for basically half the price and they all scoffed and said "wait until the car comes out". Well, its basically out. Just the fact the two cars have equal power to weight ratios should be telling enough.

The argument back then was if the Blue Devil was going to match the GT, and then rumors started circulated about the Z06 and I was one of the first to suggest Blue Devil Smue Devil, the Z06 may just be too close for Ford GT comfort! All this from someone with no inside sources at GM. I want credit darnit!!!!!

Ford's problem: That darned overly complex, and heavy mod motor. Its already about 200 lbs heavier than the GENIII GENIV motors, then you add a blower on top of it?

Oh yeah, I fogot the Cobra is going to be a match for a base Vette, well that makes up for everything.
:rolleyes:

Economies of scale are marvelous things aren't they? They are the reason the automobile became affordable for the common man in the first place (i.e. the assembly line). Now the upper-upper-middle class can have the same performance as the lower-upper class, LOL.

Man I love Capitalism :D

Estimated price of 62,500 and 11.7 @ 127 :eek: :bow:

is this for real?

anyone catch the muffler bypass after 3500 rpm?! sweet.

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=168808&perpage=15&pagenumber=14

Middle of the page.

May be my best post ever.

Just wanted to share. :shame:


EDIT: Note my mad l33t MS Paint skillz.
God, I hate that place :mad:

God, I hate that place :mad:

It was posted today, and already it's 27 pages! Am I glad we're not that kindergarten.

Im still wondering what the price is really gonna be. Over at Motor Trend, they seem to think itll be 75k, while Car and Driver seem to think itll be more around 62-65k. Im liking Car and Driver alot more :D

My bet is it will come in at $69,995, under the psychological $70,000 barrier.

My backyard is a better track as long as I've mowed it that week.

I hear that. Ive proven with my buddies Gtech that I can 60 foot better on the street in front of my house than at Moroso in West Palm...

Looks good. Still slower than the GT :p I really do hope that 62K price is right although I think it'll be higher. I've never seen a Z06 at base price on a lot. In the end, it's still a Vette :D (flame suit on, he he he)

Careful there, lest you ignite the wrath of all the Ford Fanboys. I said 6 mos ago this car was going to be a match for the vaunted Ford GT for basically half the price and they all scoffed and said "wait until the car comes out". Well, its basically out. Just the fact the two cars have equal power to weight ratios should be telling enough.

The argument back then was if the Blue Devil was going to match the GT, and then rumors started circulated about the Z06 and I was one of the first to suggest Blue Devil Smue Devil, the Z06 may just be too close for Ford GT comfort! All this from someone with no inside sources at GM. I want credit darnit!!!!!

Ford's problem: That darned overly complex, and heavy mod motor. Its already about 200 lbs heavier than the GENIII GENIV motors, then you add a blower on top of it?

Oh yeah, I fogot the Cobra is going to be a match for a base Vette, well that makes up for everything.
:rolleyes:

Economies of scale are marvelous things aren't they? They are the reason the automobile became affordable for the common man in the first place (i.e. the assembly line). Now the upper-upper-middle class can have the same performance as the lower-upper class, LOL.

Man I love Capitalism :D



First thing bro. The GT has ALREADY run an 11.2@131. Let's see what the Z06 really runs in the hands of the average car rag.

Second thing, in your power to weight calculus, what hp figures are you using? 520 for the Z06? 550 for the GT? Cuz that ain't the real story.

First thing bro. The GT has ALREADY run an 11.2@131. Let's see what the Z06 really runs in the hands of the average car rag.

Second thing, in your power to weight calculus, what hp figures are you using? 520 for the Z06? 550 for the GT? Cuz that ain't the real story.

I didn't calculate power to weight, I took the article's word for it.

But while we are at it we have a 500hp Z06 weighing 3130lbs. We have a 550hp GT weighing 3450 or thereabouts. That's a power to weight ratio of 1:6.26 for the Z vs. 6.27 for the GT. I'd say that's about equal, wouldn't you "bro"?

That's rated power of course, and everybody claims the GT is underrated, but you'd just about have to assume the Z is underrated as well.

I won't even get into how much better the Z will be on a roadcourse considering its not hauling around an extra 300 lbs of girth in its trunk.

I'm actually suprised it took this long for the Ford fanboys to get all worked up.

First thing bro. The GT has ALREADY run an 11.2@131. Let's see what the Z06 really runs in the hands of the average car rag.

Second thing, in your power to weight calculus, what hp figures are you using? 520 for the Z06? 550 for the GT? Cuz that ain't the real story.

I ain't skeered.

You will be.



Merely having the possibility of the Z06 laying the smack down on the GT is worth it's weight in gold... but apparently GM is only going to charge something south of $75,000 for it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/PacerX/GT.bmp

Dollars per HP, approximate:

Z06: $140 (assuming $70K sticker)

GT: $218 (assuming $120K)

At 300 lbs heavier, I guess you can honestly say you get more car for your money, LOL.

Merely having the possibility of the Z06 laying the smack down on the GT is worth it's weight in gold... but apparently GM is only going to charge something south of $75,000 for it.

The Vette has laid the smackdown on Ferrari's and other exotics and no one except Vette owners care. I think we'll see a similar reaction, IF (big if) it can lay the smackdown on the GT. Nothing we've seen shows that it can yet. The GT is still > in my book even if it's slower. One is exotic, one is just a Vette ;)

That's rated power of course, and everybody claims the GT is underrated, but you'd just about have to assume the Z is underrated as well.

I won't even get into how much better the Z will be on a roadcourse considering its not hauling around an extra 300 lbs of girth in its trunk.

I'm actually suprised it took this long for the Ford fanboys to get all worked up.

I agree. However, from what I read the Z06 is underrated by 12 hp. The GT was considerably more than that.

Well, I wouldn't read too much into 300 lbs making a better handling car on a road coarse. The GT has already trounced some lighter cars on the roadcourse. There are many dynamics to handling and weight is but one of them and not necessarily the most important. I really hope these two go head to head. I think it'll be a great match up.

Actually, I only think one Ford fanboy is worked up and it's not me :p I was just trying to stir the pot.

The Vette has laid the smackdown on Ferrari's and other exotics and no one except Vette owners care. I think we'll see a similar reaction, IF (big if) it can lay the smackdown on the GT. Nothing we've seen shows that it can yet. The GT is still > in my book even if it's slower. One is exotic, one is just a Vette ;)


...and one is just a FERD ;)

I agree. However, from what I read the Z06 is underrated by 12 hp. The GT was considerably more than that.

Yep, I think you're probably right on that. So the GT probably realistically has a slightly better power:weight but still its not a runaway.

Well, I wouldn't read too much into 300 lbs making a better handling car on a road coarse. There are many dynamics to handling and weight is but one of them and not necessarily the most important.

Yes and no. While great chassis dynamics can make up for weight, you cannot defeat physics. Its the same concept as "no replacement for displacement." Besides, I cannot accept that the GT's chassis dynamics are sufficiently superior to make up for a 10% overweight condition by comparison.

I really hope these two go head to head. I think it'll be a great match up.

I think that is inevitable :D

Actually, I only think one Ford fanboy is worked up and it's not me :p I was just trying to stir the pot.

Dang, I know it :D Keeps it interesting around here :thumb:

The bigger point I'd like to make is that even if we determine in the end the GT is a slightly better performer, it is still twice the cost.

This is Ford's vaunted, celebrated Halo Car, all of Ford's heritage, history, nostalgia, and spirit rolled into one $120,000 car, that can barely stay ahead of GM's own storied Corvette flagship, which happens to cost 55% as much.

Sort of a slap in the face to all the hard work that GM can come in and basically match you for half the cost.

Sure, excuses will be made ad nauseum. "GM is starting with an already mass produced Vette that cuts costs." Yes, that is a REASON the Z06 will match the GT for half the price, but not an excuse that magically makes it OK. At the end of the day, all the excuses in the world don't erase the fact the Z06 will be 98%+ of the GT's performance for half the cost.

Like, If guy A and guy B line up to foot race in gym class, and guy A spanks guy B. Guy B might have an excuse like "well, of course I'm slower because I weight more." Yes, that is one reason why you are not as fast, but it doesn't erase the fact that you aren't as fast.

And I'm sure inevitable, perhaps even in this thread, we will hear "I'd still take the GT over the Z if cost was not an issue." That's nice, but when is cost ever not an issue? Be my guest, spend $60,000 more for no added product. I'm sure the guys that hand build the GT's will appreciate you making their Christmas bonuses for them.

Its like if I go to buy a riding mower. Brand A is 12hp, 40" cut for $1000. Brand B is 12.5hp, 40" cut but is $2000. Performance is virtually identical. I'm going to buy Brand A every time.

The Magazines are going to love this showdown and to a man every one will pick the Z because of the massive price difference.

The Vette has laid the smackdown on Ferrari's and other exotics and no one except Vette owners care. I think we'll see a similar reaction, IF (big if) it can lay the smackdown on the GT. Nothing we've seen shows that it can yet. The GT is still > in my book even if it's slower. One is exotic, one is just a Vette ;)


If you wanna call 12.7@113 laying the smakdown on the exotics, go ahead. And that's a generous 1/4 mile ET. Pretty much no one is posting any times on the vette forums. And the few that have are 13@110. The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.

I don't see a 600+hp GT losing to the 500+hp Z06. The 300lbs just doesn't make up the power difference.

The C6 has not layed any smackdown on any exotic. The thing is woefully underperforming for a 400hp 3250lb car. Bone stock it runs 12.8-13.0@111. NOBODY is posting any times over at the corvette forums(wonder why that is). The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.

I don't see a 600+hp GT losing to the 500+hp Z06. The 300lbs just doesn't make up the power difference.

I was speaking of Vettes in general. The newer cars have to compete with newer exotics as well. And no, they're not doing as well against them as they used to, however, the C6 Z06 should remedy that.

The C6 has not layed any smackdown on any exotic. The thing is woefully underperforming for a 400hp 3250lb car. Bone stock it runs 12.8-13.0@111. NOBODY is posting any times over at the corvette forums(wonder why that is). The Ferrari F430(the new entry level car) runs high 11s@120+. It keeps up with the NA Porsche Carrera and that's about it.




You're kidding right? :rolleyes:

Have you been monitoring dragstrips across the US and logging runs made by C6's? Your hopes of the poor performance of the C6 will be shattered soon enough when times start rolling in...

The bigger point I'd like to make is that even if we determine in the end the GT is a slightly better performer, it is still twice the cost.

This is Ford's vaunted, celebrated Halo Car, all of Ford's heritage, history, nostalgia, and spirit rolled into one $120,000 car, that can barely stay ahead of GM's own storied Corvette flagship, which happens to cost 55% as much.

Sort of a slap in the face to all the hard work that GM can come in and basically match you for half the cost.

Sure, excuses will be made ad nauseum. "GM is starting with an already mass produced Vette that cuts costs." Yes, that is a REASON the Z06 will match the GT for half the price, but not an excuse that magically makes it OK. At the end of the day, all the excuses in the world don't erase the fact the Z06 will be 98%+ of the GT's performance for half the cost.

Like, If guy A and guy B line up to foot race in gym class, and guy A spanks guy B. Guy B might have an excuse like "well, of course I'm slower because I weight more." Yes, that is one reason why you are not as fast, but it doesn't erase the fact that you aren't as fast.

And I'm sure inevitable, perhaps even in this thread, we will hear "I'd still take the GT over the Z if cost was not an issue." That's nice, but when is cost ever not an issue? Be my guest, spend $60,000 more for no added product. I'm sure the guys that hand build the GT's will appreciate you making their Christmas bonuses for them.

Its like if I go to buy a riding mower. Brand A is 12hp, 40" cut for $1000. Brand B is 12.5hp, 40" cut but is $2000. Performance is virtually identical. I'm going to buy Brand A every time.

The Magazines are going to love this showdown and to a man every one will pick the Z because of the massive price difference.

Kinda like what the GT did to the Enzo? :)



GM Fanboy: The Z06 will outrun it. If it can't outrun it, it'll outhandle it. If it can't outhandle it, it costs half as much. :irk:

Ford Fanboy: It's still just a vette. :cry:


The GT will outrun the Z06 in pretty much everything, as it should. And the Z06 will still give you more for your money. And it's all just an exercise in fantasy because no one here has a shot at either.

The GT will outrun the Z06 in pretty much everything, as it should. And the Z06 will still give you more for your money. And it's all just an exercise in fantasy because no one here has a shot at either.

You are awfully confident. Why don't we wait until there is a race before you claim victory.

And how do you know no one here has a shot at those cars?

You have no clue what mine or anyone elses' net worth or income is, so how can you make that statement? For all you know (or don't know) there are some $100K/year guys surfing around here would very well could own at least the Z.

Where do you get 600+ hp for the GT? Evidence?

You're kidding right? :rolleyes:

Have you been monitoring dragstrips across the US and logging runs made by C6's? Your hopes of the poor performance of the C6 will be shattered soon enough when times start rolling in...


Buddy some of the best C5 Z06 drivers and tuner shops have already reported in on their new C6s. Nobody's getting anywhere near what they expected. In fact, show me 1 link to anyone running a 12.7@113 or better on their new C6. The tracks are still open down south.

Buddy some of the best C5 Z06 drivers and tuner shops have already reported in on their new C6s. Nobody's getting anywhere near what they expected. In fact, show me 1 link to anyone running a 12.7@113 or better on their new C6. The tracks are still open down south.

I'm pretty confident that is all due to Tq management. Once tuning software becomes available for the '05 MY then the times are going to start dropping.

Its LS6 heads on a 6.0L block with the same transmission as the C5 in a lighter car. You have to assume any loss of performance is in the programming, which is easily fixed.

Now, we can argue all day that what it runs stock is what it runs stock, so if its crippled by programming then so be it. And you'd have a valid point. But I think it would be presumptuous (which seems to suit you well) to think the Z06 would suffer from the same affliction. I'm sure GM's concern is the warranty and durability problems inherent in putting 400hp in every vette they sell.

You are awfully confident. Why don't we wait until there is a race before you claim victory.

And how do you know no one here has a shot at those cars?

You have no clue what mine or anyone elses' net worth or income is, so how can you make that statement? For all you know (or don't know) there are some $100K/year guys surfing around here would very well could own at least the Z.

Where do you get 600+ hp for the GT? Evidence?


Evidence? It ran almost even with 2 600+hp cars that weigh 200lbs less :alert:

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0410_lemansintro/index5.html


I'm just staking my claim, just like you did. Except without all the hedging. We'll see who right next spring.

Yeah I know there's fellas on here who can buy one. Funny thing is, they're not fanboys. ;)

I say, why don't we just wait till people start seriously drag racing both cars in real life, and watch whatever roadcourse race series that C6 Z06 and GT is in... then we'll see..


or at the very least, a direct comparison by some mag.....


IMO, my GUESS is, stock for stock, the GT may have a chance to outgun the C6 Z06 in a 1/4 mile and 0-60 by a tenth or a few.. But besides that, I think the the z06 is going to beat it in every other test, including 0-150-0 and roadcourse.

I'm pretty confident that is all due to Tq management. Once tuning software becomes available for the '05 MY then the times are going to start dropping.

Its LS6 heads on a 6.0L block with the same transmission as the C5 in a lighter car. You have to assume any loss of performance is in the programming, which is easily fixed.

Now, we can argue all day that what it runs stock is what it runs stock, so if its crippled by programming then so be it. And you'd have a valid point. But I think it would be presumptuous (which seems to suit you well) to think the Z06 would suffer from the same affliction. I'm sure GM's concern is the warranty and durability problems inherent in putting 400hp in every vette they sell.


Well I agree. In FACT, I was the one who pointed out first that the 12.7@113 was very dissappointing and that something seemed very fishy.

The C6 is detuned, decammed, and torque managed. It's all true.

And I believe the Z06 will not have any of this and run mid 11s@125+ making it a fast *ss car.

GM's stated 1/4 mile performance number for the Z06 is 11.7@127.

Fully capable of taking down or running neck and neck with the "exotics" mentioned, and concerning the GT the trap is faster than one of the mags, basically tied with another, and slower than the third. At this point, the most reasonable evaluation is that the GT and the Z06 are going to be neck and neck in the quarter... with the possiblity that on a road course the Vette takes the GT down UGLY.

Here's the long and short of it:
At the very MINIMUM a sub-$75,000 Corvette that anyone will be able to buy runs neck and neck with ~$150,000 (before mark-up) Ford "exotic."


If that isn't humiliating enough for the Ford whiners, I don't know what is.

Again, the only question is to what degree the humiliation will be rubbed in. Will the Z06 truly out-corner, out-brake, out-accelerate, out-roadrace, and out-1/4 the very best that Ford can do for HALF the money?

Again, the only question is to what degree the humiliation will be rubbed in. Will the Z06 truly out-corner, out-brake, out-accelerate, out-roadrace, and out-1/4 the very best that Ford can do for HALF the money?

...and hopefully do it without defunct control arms :p

I'm just staking my claim, just like you did. Except without all the hedging. We'll see who right next spring.


Where am I hedging? You ford fanboys are insisting no way the Zo6 would beat the GT, but it might be close. I'm fine to suggest that even if it doesn't beat a GT (and we've yet to define exactly what the Z06 has to win in order to be considered the "winner"), a car costing 50% as much surpassing, equaling, or even almost equaling the GT is still a big embarrassment for a car Ford has called their "pacecar for an entire company."

If that's hedging, so be it.

Where am I hedging? You ford fanboys are insisting no way the Zo6 would beat the GT, but it might be close. I'm fine to suggest that even if it doesn't beat a GT (and we've yet to define exactly what the Z06 has to win in order to be considered the "winner"), a car costing 50% as much surpassing, equaling, or even almost equaling the GT is still a big embarrassment for a car Ford has called their "pacecar for an entire company."

If that's hedging, so be it.


Well here's what I hear.

It may be faster, but even if it is close that proves the GT is an overpriced POS because the vette does it for half.

Well geez, not even the Ford boys are claiming the Porsche GT and Enzo are overpriced even though the GT did exactly what you hope the vette will do.

Finally, remember we ALREADY have 2 cars weighing a mere 100lbs more than a Z06 with OVER 600hp barely edging out the GT under equal conditions on the same day same driver. So for a GM fanboy to legitimately claim the Z06 has a snowball's chance in hell of outrunning or getting close to the GT, he/she/it must actually believe the Z06 will be underrated on the order of 80-90 hp. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

I find it ironic that the price arguement is being used. Why is that any more valid than the hp per liter arguement? The Mustang produces more hp per liter with a smaller motor, runs nearly the same as a Camaro and is cheaper. Yet that arguement isn't valid to GM people. Yet, a cheaper Corvette which almost runs as fast as a GT and is cheaper is the best thing ever!!! LOL You GM guys crack me up.

BTW, not anyone can afford a Z06. There are a few here that can and do want one (hopefully the price is less than $75,000).

One more thing I wanted to mention. I at least one of those magazine reviews was of a less powerful, pre-production GT. The production GT's are fast, very fast.

PaperTarget <---- waiting for reviews :)

Im still very confused as to how anyone can possibly call ANYTHING from Ford an "exotic". The GT is a nice car and all, but the problem with it is circled, for everyone to read! :)

I find it ironic that the price arguement is being used. Why is that any more valid than the hp per liter arguement? The Mustang produces more hp per liter with a smaller motor

That would be great except its not accurate. Displacement and external dimentions are two totally different things.

Hp is hp, dollars are dollars.

How you make the hp is irrelevant. Total output is the measurement. Besides, the volumetrically smaller 4.6L ford is externally larger and quite a bit heavier. In that context the Camaro actually made far more power from a smaller motor, quite a bit smaller if you've ever seen them side by side.

For the comparatively small internal displacement, the Ford 4.6L is a monster externally!!!

The discussion of how much speed you can buy for X amount of dollars is extremely relevant. If the mustang produced equal performance for less money it would have been a totally different argument, but it produced considerally less performance for less money.

I see your semantics skills are well tuned...meaningless, but well tuned.

The HP/Litre arguement is meaningless and makes no sense. However, the HP/lb(of the engine itself) and the overall deminsions of the motor makes for a very valid point.

well, an intresting hypothetical question would be, if GM had the ability to make a $150k+ production sports car, what would it be? would it be 2x better than a $75k C6 Z06?

In the end the GT is just a Ford, nothing more, nothing less and far from exotic. ;) For $150K, you get something that looks a 40 year old race car with nice plastic looking seats. :eek:

In the end the Corvette is the best American performance car for the money with 50+ years of heritage.
The new C6 Z06 is not "exotic" either, but its not meant to be. What it will be is the ultimate all-around American performance car.

The C6 Z06 will raise the bar. :bow:

Yea, i mean, how silly of an American manfucture to even try to build cars to compete with high priced foreign sports cars, like the GT.. They'll never get it right, cause in the end, its just an overpriced, ugly, clumsy American car... I mean geeze, they had to reach all the way back to the 60's, the last time they were actually competative...

:rolleyes:

or is that too harsh? :rolleyes:

In the end the GT is just a Ford, nothing more, nothing less and far from exotic. ;) For $150K, you get something that looks a 40 year old race car with nice plastic looking seats. :eek:

well, an intresting hypothetical question would be, if GM had the ability to make a $150k+ production sports car, what would it be? would it be 2x better than a $75k C6 Z06?

No, because there is a law of diminishing returns in all things peformance related. The more money you spend the more incremental the improvements are going to be.

No, because there is a law of diminishing returns in all things peformance related. The more money you spend the more incremental the improvements are going to be.

It's more related to the volume of cars you can sell than the performance, which is why the LSx is absolute genius.

The C6 Z06 will raise the bar. :bow:as long as its not chrome

ok so let me throw a little monkey wrench in this whole equation. dealing with 1/4 mile times and such. traction being equal and weight being equal. if motor a makes 50 more hp than motor b, also assuming they spin to the same rpm level and have the same gears. motor b makes more low end torque. wich one is gonna be faster in the 1/4 mile?
i remember reading a comparison a month or so ago with an lt1 motor on nitrous and a 4.6 on boost. they were talking about the lt1 makes way more low end power but less top end power and they claimed it was the superchargers fault and that was the reason they said the lt1 would be better in a race

My prediction...

GT and ZO6 are within .25sec and ~2mph on the drag strip, and GT slightly beats ZO6 on a road course.

Like it was said before, a GT driver had better be on his toes, and have the ability to wring every last ounce out of the car, or the Vette is gonna sneak up and have a bite of his ass. The car rag reviews are gonna be interesting.

How many GTs has Ford sold since they were released? How many Z06s did Chevy sell in the same time period?

How many GTs has Ford sold since they were released?

Better question:

Of those sold, how many can actually be driven yet?

good point

With the specs on the engine it really makes you wonder if the "Blue Devil" corvette is really gonna happen. With forged and titanium internals you could put a lot of boost with a supercharger on it. It would probably make 650 hp with just 5psi, with the forged internals, a little more boost with a stock or aftermarket supercharger, and the corvette could be making well over 700 hp.
According to the last issue of GM High tech there is a little article that says a source has confirmed the blue devil program but its running into some issues ironing it out.
Even if it doesnt happen. Before the Z06 comes out im sure procharger and vortech will already have a system for them.

With the specs on the engine it really makes you wonder if the "Blue Devil" corvette is really gonna happen. With forged and titanium internals you could put a lot of boost with a supercharger on it. It would probably make 650 hp with just 5psi, with the forged internals, a little more boost with a stock or aftermarket supercharger, and the corvette could be making well over 700 hp.
According to the last issue of GM High tech there is a little article that says a source has confirmed the blue devil program but its running into some issues ironing it out.
Even if it doesnt happen. Before the Z06 comes out im sure procharger and vortech will already have a system for them.

Good points. I know there was talk of BD being a turbo car, but there's lots of GM playing around with roots blowers...the 3800 supercharged for example, and Ford's GT/Cobra/Lightning. It seems to be the domestic power adder of choice for its simpler install (you don't have to redesign an entire exhaust system around it). Plus there's the Joe Gibbs edition silverado which has the Magnuson blower on it and you can buy at certain Chevy dealers.

Would not be shocked if the BD ends up being a Magnuson-blown LS7.

The question is what more could it offer over the Z06? Its already a factory race car. But that's also the beauty of it...the added costs to do a BD would be minimal. Perhaps a C6R body package and wing, and Magnuson blower....what else could you possibly add, short of making it a full blown tube frame race car chassis?

I keep thinking the real issue with the BD would be a very specific, very expensive set of modifications to the clutch, tranny and rear end to get it to survive at those power levels.

Whatever is done, if it is done, you're talking about a he-man/woman-hater clutch simply to get it to survive at those power levels.

Just an educated guess on my part, but if the BD becomes reality it will be twin-turbocharged.

Uh FWIW.

I'm still predicting the GT outruns the Z06 by .5 sec and 5mph this spring. :D

Uh FWIW.

I'm still predicting the GT outruns the Z06 by .5 sec and 5mph this spring. :D

That is if they are able to actually drive the GT ;)

While not entirely related to the topic, I have this to say regarding the GT recall:

I would :cry: , whether my GT cost $75k or $120K, if I couldn't drive it (for a long time) because of a recall just weeks after getting it!

Most of us have seen film footage of high-tech computer testing of new designs. I seem to remember a big deal made of a supercomputer deployed at the new ( a few years back) Chrysler plant. Where did Ford slip up here?

I will put forth that Ford simply rushed the design process with the GT. I recall that they set a record of sorts for shortest paper-to-production times with this car. While I commend the effort, I doubt new owners are thinking the same as their shiny new GT is stitting in the garage.