guionM 11-27-2004, 05:48 PM So far there's the Silverado, Monte Carlo, Impala, Colbalt.
Comming soon: Malibu, Colorado, and Aveo (no, I'm not kidding).
I made it so you can choose more than 1.
Meccadeth 11-27-2004, 06:01 PM I love the Silverado SS. I think its pretty funny when people think that all SS's should have V8's...but the only current SS that has a V8 is the one that most people don't think should be in production :think:
Aveo SS...... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
stars1010 11-27-2004, 06:21 PM I didnt mean to vote for the cobalt, ignore my vote, sorry
Big Als Z 11-27-2004, 06:49 PM I dont think there should be a Malibu or Aveo SS. I think the Maxx should be like the G6 coupe and vert, and have the option of 3.5 or 3.9.
Aveo SS...I dont know. Aveo has that odd thing with it. IMO, I think they should put on the Daewoo nose as it would look better then the boring deal they got on now. But a turbo model with 16's with really good handling...I think it would be one hell of a ride. A real cult like car.
95GRNZ 11-27-2004, 07:23 PM I'm with Al here. I think we would be much better off with Aveo SS (even though it sounds funny, and all...) than Malibu SS. :think:
Hence, my vote for the Malibu.
TS
Melee Penguin 11-27-2004, 08:40 PM I voted Silverado SS, Monte Carlo SS, and Malibu SS. Until GM actually builds a Super Sport version of each of these of course. Throw a Turbo on the AWD SS Silverado. At LEAST but the GTP S/C Engine in the Monte SS. The only Malibu SS I know of is about 30 years old. :rolleyes:
I wouldn't mind at all seeing a FI Aveo SS.
It all depends on HP
-Silverado needs at least 390HP LS2
-Colorado needs a 350HP+ V8
-Impala and Monte need the LS4 V8 (which they are getting soon)
-Cobalt SS looks good for now, but will need a bump to 220-240HP in the comming years.
- Malibu needs a trubo or S/C V6 putting out 275HP
- Aveo SS should never happen unless it gets AWD and the LS2 ;)
Bud M 11-28-2004, 01:31 AM All of 'em! If its not a MUSCLE CAR it doesn't deserve the SS designation. What makes the SS memorable is big motors. Not V6s or fours. My neighbor has a '66 Chevelle Super Sport with a 454 and a 4 speed and short gears, maybe 4.11s. It will smoke the tires all day long. Its fast and loud and rowdy and has the sort of outrageousness that defines the SS designation. Putting SS on econo cars and sedans and pickups (even though they may have performance upgrades) makes it nothing more than a marketing gimmick and detracts from its future value. These cars contribute as much to the SS legacy as the Mustang II did to the Mustang's.
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 02:03 AM Out of all of these.... maybe Chevy needs an Aveo SS the most. YES, you've heard me right!
We've just had a whole bunch of threads about how Chevy doesn't have anything fun and low buck. I'm thinking an Aveo SS with a SC 2.0L tuned for around 175 HP, for under $14K.
Compared to it, cross shoppers will think ..... Scion tC? Neat, but pricey and very slow.
How about SRT-4? Fast, but that's for rich boys.
You want to rebuild Chevy's affordable performance portfolio? Start with a potent and inexpensive Aveo SS.
Andrew Rhines 11-28-2004, 02:29 AM Out of all of these.... maybe Chevy needs an Aveo SS the most. YES, you've heard me right!
We've just had a whole bunch of threads about how Chevy doesn't have anything fun and low buck. I'm thinking an Aveo SS with a SC 2.0L tuned for around 175 HP, for under $14K.
Compared to it, cross shoppers will think ..... Scion tC? Neat, but pricey and very slow.
How about SRT-4? Fast, but that's for rich boys.
You want to rebuild Chevy's affordable performance portfolio? Start with a potent and inexpensive Aveo SS.
I was against an Aveo SS before...but this all makes since, if they can do something like that, then I think they can have a winner on their hands :)
Also remember that in the early years of SS you could get it on V6 models...it was a trim and apperance package at first i believe.
I'm not against a perfformance Aveo, I just think Aveo Xtreme has a better ring to it than Aveo SS.
Josh-'04 GTO 11-28-2004, 09:57 AM All of 'em! If its not a MUSCLE CAR it doesn't deserve the SS designation. What makes the SS memorable is big motors. Not V6s or fours. My neighbor has a '66 Chevelle Super Sport with a 454 and a 4 speed and short gears, maybe 4.11s. It will smoke the tires all day long. Its fast and loud and rowdy and has the sort of outrageousness that defines the SS designation. Putting SS on econo cars and sedans and pickups (even though they may have performance upgrades) makes it nothing more than a marketing gimmick and detracts from its future value. These cars contribute as much to the SS legacy as the Mustang II did to the Mustang's.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't plunk down my hard earned money on ANY car on that list. Lame.
unvc92camarors 11-28-2004, 10:18 AM actually...none
all of them seem to fill some type of niche
if i had to choose, it might be either malibu or aveo
but i really think they all qualify
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 11:22 AM I'm not against a perfformance Aveo, I just think Aveo Xtreme has a better ring to it than Aveo SS.
I say go big or go home.
An Aveo Xtreme could take on two forms.
1) A pretty cheesy appearance package...with no performance, ( MOST PROBABLE). Why bother?
or
2) One that's cheap and fast, and a spiritual successor to the Omni GLH....and would probably outperform most other SS's.
If Xtreme is just a BS package..don't even bother. If it really delivers the goods, just call it Aveo SS and start rebuilding Chevy's performance image from there.
Of course, if Chevy ever considered a 205 hp Aveo SS (I know I said 175, but I've changed my mind...give it the full boogey motor), those weenies at Pontiac would try to block it.
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 11:27 AM All of 'em! If its not a MUSCLE CAR it doesn't deserve the SS designation. What makes the SS memorable is big motors. Not V6s or fours. My neighbor has a '66 Chevelle Super Sport with a 454 and a 4 speed and short gears, maybe 4.11s. It will smoke the tires all day long. Its fast and loud and rowdy and has the sort of outrageousness that defines the SS designation. Putting SS on econo cars and sedans and pickups (even though they may have performance upgrades) makes it nothing more than a marketing gimmick and detracts from its future value. These cars contribute as much to the SS legacy as the Mustang II did to the Mustang's.
Your buddy's Chevelle didn't come from the factory with a 454, and I bet it wasn't even an SS from the factory either. He probably stuck those SS emblems on after he dropped in that 454. Rather than contributing to factory SS legacy....what your neighbor has is a homebuilt hotrod.
And BTW, regarding SS's that actually came from the factory.....
Nova SS
Chevelle SS
Impala SS
These were all "econo cars and sedans".
Gold_Rush 11-28-2004, 11:51 AM Malibu, it's too close to the Impala in terms of both being mid-sizers.
Bud M 11-28-2004, 01:07 PM Your buddy's Chevelle didn't come from the factory with a 454, and I bet it wasn't even an SS from the factory either. He probably stuck those SS emblems on after he dropped in that 454. Rather than contributing to factory SS legacy....what your neighbor has is a homebuilt hotrod.
And BTW, regarding SS's that actually came from the factory.....
Nova SS
Chevelle SS
Impala SS
These were all "econo cars and sedans".
His car was an SS396 that needed a new motor. He built and installed the 454. It replaced a 64 GTO with a tri-power389 convertible in his collection which includes a 57 T Bird with a 5.0 EFI mustang motor and a 68 Chevelle with an LT1. He doesn't care much about collectable value, they are all daily drivers. You can call it a homebuilt hotrod, but its not far from stock aside from carb, cam, intake manifold, exhaust and gears. But to me it embodies what the SS stands for: outrageous performance with a chevy emblem.
My point was, its not wise to dilute the value of your ultimate performance designation by slapping it on every forgettable model in your lineup because it erodes its value. Do you think a 4 cylinder Vega SS would have been a good idea?
Pandamonkey 11-28-2004, 01:15 PM As long as they all represent a performance plus in the models.......I say none.
Like mentioned above though, as soon as SS starts to become nothing more than a body package then I think it's wrong. Should just be called and RS or something else.....
Dodge has their SRT thing............Chevy can have the SS thing.
MissedShift 11-28-2004, 01:17 PM Do you think a 4 cylinder Vega SS would have been a good idea?
No, but Chevy built thousands of Impala SS's with stovebolt sixes. Get over it.
Bud M 11-28-2004, 01:46 PM And exactly who is lusting after one of those cars today?
I don't need to get over it. Its my opinion. Sorry if that's not okay with you.
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 02:04 PM Do you think a 4 cylinder Vega SS would have been a good idea?
They used to have Vega GT's which were pretty cool. But the big Vega performance model was the Cosworth Vega.....far more comprehensive than anything that might have been called Vega SS. The Cosworth was alittle ahead of it's time, (DOHC, 4V, aluminum head/block, FI) and turned out to be very expensive though.
But getting back to your question, yes why not.
The Cobalt SS is the spiritual successor....had there been a Vega SS.
ProjectRS 11-28-2004, 02:11 PM Cobalt SS all the way (http://cobaltss.net) :thumb:
Bud M 11-28-2004, 02:16 PM Yeah, I've read about Cosworth Vegas. I bet you don't want to have to go looking for parts for one of those cars these days!
I guess my feeling is that Chevy should have one designation for their most serious performance cars, kinda like that 426 Hemi badge on and old Mopar and that it should be SS, and that making it commonplace lessens its signigficance, like putting cobra emblems on a Mustang II.
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 04:37 PM I guess my feeling is that Chevy should have one designation for their most serious performance cars, kinda like that 426 Hemi badge on and old Mopar and that it should be SS, and that making it commonplace lessens its signigficance, like putting cobra emblems on a Mustang II.
"426 Hemi" is an engine designation. It would be like saying that all Chevy performance cars should be called LS-6 or L-88....I don't think so.
SS, IMO, is just fine for all Chevy cars, with a performance/trim variant. Just like Dodge has R/T and Ford has GT.
BTW, I've seen some very, very fast and cool Mustang II's.
redzed 11-28-2004, 05:43 PM SS, IMO, is just fine for all Chevy cars, with a performance/trim variant.
A trim/suspension package was exactly what an "SS" badge meant in the classic era of musclecars.
IntimidatorSS 11-28-2004, 05:57 PM I thought there was going to be a Trailblazer SS and a Equinox SS as well? heck while we at it why dont we build a Tahoe and Suburban SS.... But a Trailblazer and Equinox SS would be a good idea. I don't think any SS would be bad as long as it's done right. Like the Silverado should have around 390 or 395hp and be offered in a lightweight package. The Colorado should probally come with a LS4 with DoD and have like 310 hp. The Monte and Impala SS needed probally a better powertrain or AWD but I still think V8's in these are a good idea. If there's a Malibu SS I hope they give it a more Cobalt like grill for like lets say a 2006 refresh and a 2 door model. Then with either a Supercharged 3.5 or 240ish 3.9 would be cool. Cobalt is fine but some would like to see it have around 220hp. Also if an Aveo SS is made I don't really see it getting over 180 or 190hp. But it's good to know Chevrolet is coming out with more SS models.
IREngineer 11-28-2004, 07:33 PM So far there's the Silverado, Monte Carlo, Impala, Colbalt.
Comming soon: Malibu, Colorado, and Aveo (no, I'm not kidding).
I made it so you can choose more than 1.
Don't forget Equinox SS...
Bob Cosby 11-28-2004, 08:37 PM Is there any Chevy car that does not or will not have an "SS" branding?
Z284ever 11-28-2004, 08:45 PM Is there any Chevy car that does not or will not have an "SS" branding?
Maybe the Malibu.
The regular Malibu clinic'd so badly in SS trim that they decided against it.
The Malibu Maxx SS was supposed to be on it's way...but now there are rumors that the Malibu Maxx itself may be cancelled soon.
OutsiderIROC-Z 11-28-2004, 08:47 PM All of the above.
Lol, I bet you can at least get a 5-speed in the AVEO SS and Cobalt SS. As for the rest.. calling themselves "Super Sport" and not even offering a manual transmisson OR having class leading horsepower...well that's just sad.
Omegalock 11-28-2004, 10:09 PM None of them really set ones soul on fire. The only thing that remotely interests me might be the SS Colorado depending on how much power it gets.
The Impala and Monte don't interest me due to the FWD configuration and I'm not a huge fan of the looks of either car.
The SS Cobalt...eh. Considering it's going to be inferior power wise to the SRT-4 and about the same price I'm not so sold on that either.
The SS Silverado's weaknesses are readily evident so I don't need to speak on that.
The prospect of the SS Aveo just flat out scares me.
Maybe my own preconceived notions of what SS is are totally wrong but I always equated the SS models with beastly performance...get out of the way before I bash your head in kind of power. Not "Hey look! This car has a different set of rims and a lame bodykit."
Caps94ZODG 11-29-2004, 04:41 AM All of 'em! If its not a MUSCLE CAR it doesn't deserve the SS designation. What makes the SS memorable is big motors. Not V6s or fours. My neighbor has a '66 Chevelle Super Sport with a 454 and a 4 speed and short gears, maybe 4.11s. It will smoke the tires all day long. Its fast and loud and rowdy and has the sort of outrageousness that defines the SS designation. Putting SS on econo cars and sedans and pickups (even though they may have performance upgrades) makes it nothing more than a marketing gimmick and detracts from its future value. These cars contribute as much to the SS legacy as the Mustang II did to the Mustang's.
funny thing is you could get the SS package on V6 cars back then, just wasnt popular to do I guess..or was it an inline6???
and yes you would get a SS StATION WAGON! :eek:
Geoff Chadwick 11-29-2004, 10:20 AM I think a FI Aveo with 16's shouldnt get the SS plaque - but the thought of a tiny 1.6L boosted engine has hope. The 2.0L boosted engine would be too much power and too big an engine (weight). I think a 1.6L Turbo (to like 165hp or 175hp) would be a good idea, or perhaps like a 1.5L or 1.6L turbo diesel.
Otherwise I dont think an Econobox deserves "SS". Even the Cobalt SS doesnt do it for me. I think "RS" might be a little more fitting. But hey, if it does well... it does well.
toneloc12345 11-29-2004, 11:01 AM haha i must have had a pretty good idea about the Aveo a while back in this thread (aveo ss) http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309323
TONY :D 2.0 s/c Aveo SS :bow:
Good Ph.D 11-29-2004, 11:22 AM Lol, I bet you can at least get a 5-speed in the AVEO SS and Cobalt SS. As for the rest.. calling themselves "Super Sport" and not even offering a manual transmisson OR having class leading horsepower...well that's just sad.
Agreed, none of those cars are as tremendous as most people's memory of an SS that memory may be wrong, but im sure it helps sell cars.
I've noticed my camaro seems to get more respect when I say "Z28" as apposed to "SS" lately, I never bother saying "Z28 SS" I think its because most non car people are becoming more familiar with watered down performance offerings such as they above. :o
Big Als Z 11-29-2004, 11:35 AM I dont think that Chevy will get rid of the Maxx. Despite its sales, it gets great reviews from pretty much every mag and owner. Make a SS model to add a really hot hatchback to the line up.
Jason E 11-29-2004, 11:53 AM Your buddy's Chevelle didn't come from the factory with a 454, and I bet it wasn't even an SS from the factory either. He probably stuck those SS emblems on after he dropped in that 454. Rather than contributing to factory SS legacy....what your neighbor has is a homebuilt hotrod.
And BTW, regarding SS's that actually came from the factory.....
Nova SS
Chevelle SS
Impala SS
These were all "econo cars and sedans".
:bow: :bow:
Big Als Z 11-29-2004, 12:00 PM I think that people treat the SS badge the same way as they treat the GTO. It has to be on a rip-snorting, V8 powerd muscle car, or its nothing.
I even get a chill up my spine thinking about an Aveo SS, but I think it needs to come down to how the market will react to the car. Will people buy a turbocharged Aveo, despite the badges?
87camracer 11-29-2004, 12:26 PM All of 'em! If its not a MUSCLE CAR it doesn't deserve the SS designation. What makes the SS memorable is big motors. Not V6s or fours. My neighbor has a '66 Chevelle Super Sport with a 454 and a 4 speed and short gears, maybe 4.11s. It will smoke the tires all day long. Its fast and loud and rowdy and has the sort of outrageousness that defines the SS designation. Putting SS on econo cars and sedans and pickups (even though they may have performance upgrades) makes it nothing more than a marketing gimmick and detracts from its future value. These cars contribute as much to the SS legacy as the Mustang II did to the Mustang's.
based on this reply, i would wager that you think carbs are better than EFI for performance.
fact is, you said it on page 2 or 3 that SS is a stick package on a car with hotter performance. why not have all of these cars with better drivetrains and suspensions? if it waters down the name then thats the fault of those that dont know what they are talking about. i would be up for a Colorado SS. in fact if its hot enough i may want to trade my Sport in for one.
as for SS cars needing sticks, i think all cars need a manual transmission variant. but know that you could have gotten an SS Camaro with an auto. an SS Chevelle with an auto ect.
also dont forget the stupid sticker package that GM gave the SS 4th gens. if anything, THAT dilluted the SS nameplate. not a better performing Aveo.
Bob Cosby 11-29-2004, 12:28 PM Putting "SS" on an Aveo makes me want to hurl.
That's a personal opinion, btw.
Darth Xed 11-29-2004, 01:09 PM Putting "SS" on an Aveo makes me want to hurl.
That's a personal opinion, btw.
Ya, I gotta agree.
Here's my line of thought on putting "SS" on a car liek Aveo:
Which are you accomplishing by doing so:
1) Helping the image of Aveo, or
2) Hurting the image of the "SS" designation.
I think it is clearly #2.
I have no problem with making a sporty version of the Aveo... just call is Aveo LS or something.
HAZ-Matt 11-29-2004, 01:22 PM I have no problem with making a sporty version of the Aveo... just call is Aveo LS or something.
The only problm with that is that LS sounds like your mom's Malibu.
RS maybe?
Eric77TA 11-29-2004, 01:32 PM While I have to admit that I find the idea of an Aveo SS pretty silly, and my preference would be to see more RWD V8 performance vehicles from Chevy, I don't think that these models are the "Shame" to the SS name that many people make them out to be. Stock for stock:
Cobalt SS SC - I bet this car will outrun and outhandle 85% of the Nova SS models made in the musclecar era.
Monte Carlo SS SC - This car will run pretty close to a 70 SS 454 (only available with LS5 and HEAVY) and will have no problems with any 83-87 305 powered Monte SS.
Impala SS SC - This car will outrun 95% of the Impala SS models made in the musclecar era and will hang with the LT1 B Body models.
I'm not including "cool" factor here, and the new models can't compete in my eyes there, but if we're looking at cold, hard performance numbers, the new SS models will hang right in there with the old boys. For every L79 327/350 horse Nova SS or L78 396/375 Nova SS or COPO 427 Nova that was built there are probably 5000 inline 6, 283, and LoPo 327 and 350 cars. The Impala SS models of the 60s are beatiful, competent cars, but with the exception of a handful of cars, like the 409/409s, were too heavy to be total terrors, even with big blocks.
Darth Xed 11-29-2004, 01:34 PM The only problm with that is that LS sounds like your mom's Malibu.
RS maybe?
I even think that the "Xtreme" name could fit here... since it was used on a "cute" S-10 that was dressed up a bit, yet it has a sound, that I think would appeal to the audience this car would be targetted at...
VegasZ 11-29-2004, 01:49 PM The SS moniker should be gotten rid of altogether. Im surprised it is still around and that GM seems to be elevating its prominance. I beleive it is hurting GM. Every GM model should have a separate hi-po moniker. Maybe they could use SS on one model but not all.
Eric77TA 11-29-2004, 01:57 PM The SS moniker should be gotten rid of altogether. Im surprised it is still around and that GM seems to be elevating its prominance. I beleive it is hurting GM. Every GM model should have a separate hi-po moniker. Maybe they could use SS on one model but not all.
Every GM or every Chevrolet? SS is only on Chevrolet. Pontiac is GT. Cadillac is "V Series," Saturn is "Red Line," Saab is "Aero" I'm guessing Buick will get something eventually.
I don't believe this harmful. Chrysler is using the same strategy - across two brands - with SRT - (Dodge Neon) SRT-4, (Chrysler) Crossfire SRT-6, (Chrysler) 300 SRT-8, (Dodge) Viper SRT-10. With Dodge now using "R/T" for it's "semi sporty" models.
jg95z28 11-29-2004, 03:34 PM For those that didn't know... the first SS ever was a six-banger. :D
Personally, I say why not let there be a top performance level for each model called "SS"? I myself would love to have a Tahoe SS. ;)
Is the Aveo SS going to be supercharged?
Z28Marcus 11-29-2004, 03:54 PM All of them! :)
MunchE 11-29-2004, 05:13 PM I even think that the "Xtreme" name could fit here... since it was used on a "cute" S-10 that was dressed up a bit, yet it has a sound, that I think would appeal to the audience this car would be targetted at...
The majority of anyone under 30 makes fun of anything with "Xtreme" in the name, as it's a sad attempt to market to us while being completely off base on what we find appealing. :P
As for the models....I wouldn't mind seeing an SS of any of them as long as it's done right and for the right price. The Impala and the Monte SS are a nice effort, but why do they cost as much as the CTS and have less HP despite being supercharged? If GM is going to half ass it, then they shouldn't bother. Real, competitive SS models would be great. Aveo SS with a turbo? cool. Aveo SS with slightly bigger rims and a body kit? Not cool. Needs both or don't even bother.
HAZ-Matt 11-29-2004, 05:15 PM For those that didn't know... the first SS ever was a six-banger. :D
Actually, the very first SS was powered by a 283 cu in V8 and made 310HP (This was in 1957)...
90 Z28SS 11-29-2004, 05:46 PM A trim/suspension package was exactly what an "SS" badge meant in the classic era of musclecars.
Will all the people who think SS means top dog , please read that like 30 times . Their just happend to have been quite few people who checked the SS trim option to go with their now in some cases legendary engines ;) SS is being used today as it always has been , in fact even more appropriately ? If they were using the SS badge like they used to , you'd beable to , today , get a base model Monte carlo , Impala ect. with a SS trim option complete with badges and all , to go with your 205 hp 3.8 .
For all the people who insist on griping about improper use of historic names , please at least know your history first ;)
redzed 11-29-2004, 06:02 PM Will all the people who think SS means top dog , please read that like 30 times . Their just happend to have been quite few people who checked the SS trim option to go with their now in some cases legendary engines ;) SS is being used today as it always has been , in fact even more appropriately ? If they were using the SS badge like they used to , you'd beable to , today , get a base model Monte carlo , Impala ect. with a SS trim option complete with badges and all , to go with your 205 hp 3.8 .
Yup, you used to have to buy the "SS" badge just to have the "right" to order top-end powerplants.
For all the people who insist on griping about improper use of historic names , please at least know your history first ;)
If "historically correctness" is the issue, the Cobalt SS is more "correct" than the late, great '94-96 Impala.
90 Z28SS 11-29-2004, 06:20 PM Yup, you used to have to buy the "SS" badge just to have the "right" to order top-end powerplants.
If "historically correctness" is the issue, the Cobalt SS is more "correct" than the late, great '94-96 Impala.
I was just trying to make a point , not all SS's were holy ...just like now . So GM really isnt generically using the name at all as many like to believe .
Caps94ZODG 11-29-2004, 06:58 PM I think to anyone that the SS moniker is getting bad now??? need some visuals??? to make my point...
HERE YA GO!
SS Station Wagon????? :eek:
res://C:\WINDOWS\System32\shdoclc.dll/http_404.htm#http://www.classiccarbug.com/featurecar0601.php
http://www.stationwagon.com/gallery/1973_Chevy_Chevelle.html
yup they made them...
so now you die hard fans what is an SS really?? SS is a trim level..not a performance package..though they go hand in hand in most of the muscle cars of yeterday..
you could get a SS V6, to a SS station wagon...
so whats the matter with a SS Aveo??? if its got 205 HP and is that size....:eek:...
or the Cobalt...tell you I saw it last night at the auto show...thatthing is nice :D
Eric77TA 11-30-2004, 01:47 PM Yup, you used to have to buy the "SS" badge just to have the "right" to order top-end powerplants
This is not true for all years and models. You could order the top 425 horse 427 in a stripper Biscayne in 1966-68 for example. Didn't have to order an Impala SS 427 to get it.
Burmite 11-30-2004, 02:35 PM I'm wondering why some of us are trying to argue the role of the "SS" badge in an era that was 30-35 years in the past. We can't use the exact roles of long dead names on cars today. The world has gone through a lot since then and the modern meanings of legendary names such as "SS" should also be reinterpreted for our modern era.
91Zman 11-30-2004, 03:56 PM Sorry if I like living in the past but NO watered down SS cars for me(meaning 4 cylinders,bad enough that there are V6s-present or past) ...the caveman has spoketh :p
jg95z28 11-30-2004, 04:01 PM Actually, the very first SS was powered by a 283 cu in V8 and made 310HP (This was in 1957)...
:no:
SS wasn't available until the 1961 MY when it was a $54 trim package...
http://www.motortrend.com/future/concepts/112_0303_fut_ss/
A 283 / 310 HP in 1957??? :confused: What have you been smoking?
HAZ-Matt 11-30-2004, 04:57 PM SS wasn't available until the 1961 MY when it was a $54 trim package...
http://www.motortrend.com/future/concepts/112_0303_fut_ss/
A 283 / 310 HP in 1957??? :confused: What have you been smoking?
Not smoking anything.
Automotive history is filled with a series of "what-ifs," and few of these "what-ifs" are as intriguing to Corvette racing fans as the 1957 Corvette SS project.
In the early days before the Corvette was an American icon, and at the time even in danger of being discontinued by GM management, one obvious tactic to shore up the Corvette's sports car image and spur sales was to institute a racing program. Thus was born the short-lived Corvette SS project, with the initial goal of winning at Sebring. Led by the gifted Zora Arkus-Duntov, a team of engineers created this ultra-lightweight (1850 lbs) and powerful (307 bhp) racecar.
Success at Sebring for this stunning racer was unfortunately not in the cards. Although the SS was extremely fast for its day (top recorded speed of 183 mph), a series of mechanical problems forced it to retire after 23 laps in the Sebring 12-Hour race. Shortly thereafter, the ban on factory-sponsored racing efforts by the Detroit manufacturers spelled the end of the SS project.
The Super Sport designation was created by Duntov as a label for the race car. It was then later used as a trim level for various Chevrolet models. Oddly enough, even though the orignal SS was a Corvette, it never received SS trim on any production version.
jg95z28 12-01-2004, 12:11 PM Not smoking anything.
The Super Sport designation was created by Duntov as a label for the race car. It was then later used as a trim level for various Chevrolet models. Oddly enough, even though the orignal SS was a Corvette, it never received SS trim on any production version.
Yeah, I forgotten about the Corvette SS race car... however I thought we were talking about production models. :D
HAZ-Matt 12-01-2004, 12:16 PM We probably were, and I my post probably just led us off topic :)
97z28/m6 12-02-2004, 11:34 AM i voted monte ss as that car will be axed soon.
jg95z28 12-02-2004, 12:27 PM Depending on what the setup includes and the sticker, I might actually consider the Aveo SS... for my son. :D (He's a tree-hugging environmentalist and wants an economy car that's green-friendly.)
As for my vote.... the "SS" package shouldn't be included on a truck. Go ahead and offer the package... just call it something else.
Bearcat Steve 12-04-2004, 07:48 AM I have a 2004 Monte SS as my daily driver. I took the SS badges off of it. It's a very nice car for a daily driver, but it is FWD with a V6 - not deserving of the SS badge.
WS6Extreme 12-04-2004, 10:03 AM Here is a pic of the Cobalt SS Concept that was at SEMA 2004.
http://www.lastofthebreed.com/News/CoblatSS/CobaltSS.htm
Here is a pic of the Colorado SS Concept that was at SEMA 2004
http://www.lastofthebreed.com/News/ColoradoSS/ColoradoSS.htm
I have the detailed info on my website in the "News" section.
http://www.lastofthebreed.com/News/NewsIndex1.htm
HAZ-Matt 12-04-2004, 12:21 PM Wow, that hoodscoop really looks bad on the Cobalt.
unvc92camarors 12-04-2004, 04:36 PM Wow, that hoodscoop really looks bad on the Cobalt.
because they didnt think to add a scoop that would go with the lines of the car
toneloc12345 12-04-2004, 05:23 PM hmmmm.........LS2+Colorado= The Hotness :bow:
TONY
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