94z Vs. 95 3000gt Vr-4

One of my buddys went around running his mouth, calling himself the V8 killer because he beat a bone-stock 95 mustang GT, So I pull up the other night just wanting to see the car, he had just gotten it a few days ago. And he let me drive it, I was quite impressed, still didn't feel the same seat-of-pants effect like my camaro will give. AWD really is impressive, and i admitted the hed probably get me from a dead stop, simply because I have possibly the worst launch in history, But after I left we decided to go back to a bar about 15 miles away, I looked in my mirror and saw him pulling so I put the Z in 4th, don't know why I did that, he got right beside me and nailed it, I humored him, we were absolutely dead locked to about the 115 range, we go again, from about a 20MPH roll, this time I had the z in 1st, I absolutely owned the big bad AWD, Twin Turbo V8 killer, all the way to 140, I told him not to call himself a V8 killer, until he could beat a stock LT1.

good kill
:thumb:

Are those 95s the ones with the new body style with 320hp or the older body style with about 295?

old body style = 90(91?)-93

new body style= 94+

I still don't think I stand a chance in the 1/8. Those AWD launches are something fierce, I saw dump the clutch at redline, and it still wouldn't spin, of course hes gonna really mess something up doing it but its still cool.

Stock, they are only equal to a LT1 excluding the launch. 100 mph traps are just average these days. If he gets his hands on a downpipe and boost controller, it will get much more interesting, to the tune of ~ 8.20s in the 1/8th and 103-105 mph traps in the 1/4.

If he continues to drop the clutch at redline, he's going to need a transmission. Rebuilds are $2k; factory new ones are pushing $7k. Just a decent clutch is $550, plus at least $300 for install. A quick slip from 4500 will net 60ft times in the 1.7x range without hurting tranny life.

yeah, kids around here are into the awd dsm's and a couple stealths/3000gt's. seen many redline clutch dumps. one kid is replacing a clutch, the other a drive axle, and another the tranny. 3000gt vr-4 kid actually knows what he's doing and still broke a tranny, wounded the shifting of another, and i believe he even broke a driveshaft or a u joint or something. i kinda like those vr-4's vs. the common dsm, but i hear not many people, if any, make aftermarket drivetrain parts to hold the power down.

They changed the headlight style for their last year in production. The Spyder VR-4 resale value is still in the 30s and up.

They feel good on the hwy I have to admit(i was impressed myself), but w/ your mods watch out he does a few small things your owned

Nice kill, does anyone know what one running 12lbs of boost would clock in the 1/4?

-Dustin-

That's stock - anywhere from 13.6 to 14.0 depending on driver and condition of the car.

Hey thanks alot, a buddy of mine rode in a 95 with 12lbs and said it felt faster than my Z, but that was before the Hooker LT's, ORY, and LPE Supertube.

-Dustin-

He had 14lbs dustin ;) , because we bumped it up after we installed a boost controller and gage. Im not sure if it felt faster or not, because its a different feeling than the torquey lt1, but i sure know that it got to 120 hella fast.

dan

Too bad they weigh close to 4000lbs (vr4s)

TONY

Not suprised you destroyed him, i murdered one out in the valley. Wasnt even close.

So what if they weigh 4000 lbs? They go fast, stop fast, and turn fast. Do you realize that a Lamborghini also weighs that much? I'm sure people in Miatas make fun of "heavy" F-bodies all the time.

A VR4 at 14 psi should do at least 13.20 with no other mods whatsoever. Spend a grand - downpipe, fuel injectors, fuel controller - and it'll be as quick as mine was.

So what if they weigh 4000 lbs? They go fast, stop fast, and turn fast. Do you realize that a Lamborghini also weighs that much? I'm sure people in Miatas make fun of "heavy" F-bodies all the time.

A VR4 at 14 psi should do at least 13.20 with no other mods whatsoever. Spend a grand - downpipe, fuel injectors, fuel controller - and it'll be as quick as mine was.


I didn't know you sold the Stealth, John. How much did you let it go for? The funny thing is, I was also looking at the New Subby GT. I test drove one and instantky fell in love. How do you like it so far? I like the fact that it is a 4 dr, great for the daily commute with the kids. I also agree that teh 3SI's get too bad of a rap for being "heavy".

Kyle

You know me - it stayed stock just as long as it took to drive home from Orlando where I found it (hard to find red limited with tan leather). I'm breaking all the accepted Subaru modding rules, including using a MBC. It ran the 13.9 with 15 psi (stock is 13.5). I got a datalogger and it's now at 17 psi after putting a bleed on the factory pressure sensor to prevent fuel cut. This thing even has a factory EGT sensor. The engine is 100% identical to an STi except for a smaller turbo. I'll fix that as soon as they start making parts for these cars. It'll also get more exhaust flow but I plan to keep it very quiet for that stock sound. My goal is to run in the 11s and look stock doing it.

It rides on the highway like a Lexus. The only thing I don't like about it is the 5spd's gears are shorter than I'd like and it would probably gain several mpg if they gave it a 6spd. I took cruising at 90 at 3k rpm for granted in my old car. Insurance is half, and I sold my Grand Marquis (http://moojohn.com/mercury) too so I have lots more mod money each month.

I didn't sell my Stealth 100% on purpose. I sort of got caught racing a SS (stock, 2000+, from a 60 roll and from a stop, I won :) ) and it was better for that situation to sell the car and move on. Not many people will instigate a run with a family 4-door that is easily mistaken for a Camry. My willpower is pretty weak when someone starts to rev on me. While we were in jail, the Camaro driver asked me "What in the hell is that car??" He was college age or so and had never even heard of a Stealth. I've never had any opponent or any passenger who complained that my car was too heavy :)

How much did you pick upt the GT for? The one tested was a5spd (I agree with you on the gears being close and needing a 6spd, but my Z being an A4, it still felt great) dark blue. It was listed at 27,xxx. No real options other than leather and moon roof I think. Still, if I could get one now, I would in a heart beat. Right now though, I am waiting on a financial situation to be completed on my In-laws part. When that happens, I am picking one up with cash. I'll then sell the Z for some minor mod money and be all set.

I remember when i had my 92 TT Stealth. I only had an MBC and CAT!. Boost was at 15psi. ran dead even with an M6 LS1 from about 40 - 120. I loved it. DP was the next thing on my list, but ran into asmall problem of the car coming up missing while at a shop to have the timing belt replaced. Ended up being receovered with a knocking motor. All down hill from there.

I would live to see how the mods turn out on the GT. Keep me posted.

Kyle

This is my friend garys 3000 i told him when hes done with it ill run him no problem.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/garyparks

They are fast cars, but i think i can still take him.

Those turbos on your friend's site appear to be DR-650s, which are easy 11s and 120+ mph traps. When combined with the front-mount intercooler you can expect consistent times below 11.50. Don't take him too lightly! On high-hp cars the 5spd is actually better than the 6 since you shift less; 2nd goes to 70 and 3rd goes to 120 mph.

Kyle -

On the Subaru I was out the door for $29,300 including tax & everything. I had to get the Limited because I wanted leather & sunroof if I was going to give up my other car. I also considered used cars in that price range just to be sure, like a Lexus GS430 and a 390hp supercharged Jag. In the end, turbo + AWD + being the first owner won out. I got it with 8 miles on the odo, which is what they arrive with from the factory.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/garyparks
Nice Cobra wheels on a vr4 wtf...Thing w/ these cars is there still expensive as he!! ...the newer ones w/ good miles...for what there still selling for you can basically get anything else

Those turbos on your friend's site appear to be DR-650s, which are easy 11s and 120+ mph traps. When combined with the front-mount intercooler you can expect consistent times below 11.50. Don't take him too lightly! On high-hp cars the 5spd is actually better than the 6 since you shift less; 2nd goes to 70 and 3rd goes to 120 mph.

Kyle -

On the Subaru I was out the door for $29,300 including tax & everything. I had to get the Limited because I wanted leather & sunroof if I was going to give up my other car. I also considered used cars in that price range just to be sure, like a Lexus GS430 and a 390hp supercharged Jag. In the end, turbo + AWD + being the first owner won out. I got it with 8 miles on the odo, which is what they arrive with from the factory.

Well, I am very jealous. I already loved your Stealth, and now, you have the newer car I want. Do you know how much boost the stock fule system can hold on the subby? Just wondering what a safe boost level is for the street.

Kyle

Antz -
That's why you don't buy a newer one. They're no better than the older ones and just cost more money. I bought mine with 76k miles for $13k.

Kyle -
My EGTs got too hot at 18psi at the top of 4th (about 100 mph) so I backed to 17. I'm sure the stock fuel pump has more room as soon as I defeat the stupid "variable duty cycle" for the fuel pump. It actually pulses voltage to the pump at 33% or 66% duty at part throttle levels, going to 100% "on" only at WOT. Some 10 gauge wire & a relay will fix that and offer more max flow, and later it'll get a Supra fuel pump. Stock injectors are 550s (maybe 565cc?) so they've still got some headroom.

Nice Cobra wheels on a vr4 wtf...Thing w/ these cars is there still expensive as he!! ...the newer ones w/ good miles...for what there still selling for you can basically get anything else

Yeah he bought it for 11k i think and then his dad, go figure, took out a 20k loan to make it a show car, and he has been having trouble with those turbos, cracking and blowing up. I figure by the time hes done with it i can have a good 600hp+ 67 camaro waiting for him.

being able to launch at 6500 rpms with NO tire spin is advantageous. I've seen nearly stock vr-4's go high 12's.

Yep, even the 5spd cars (slower than 6spd on stock turbos) will do 12.90 @ 105-106 with just a boost controller & $300 downpipe.

This assumes everything else is properly taken care of too. With these cars getting to be 10-12+ years old, many of them are poorly cared for and are performing nowhere near where they should be. Little things like certain O-rings, sparkplugs, and various gaskets can really kill the performance if not looked after.

Didn't some of the stealths/3000gt modles have 4 wheel steering? I remember some of these cars retailing for $40,000+. NOthing holds its value like a supra, though.

Every twin turbo model except the 95 and 96 Stealth (very rare; 57 made) was also 4WS. It's one of the reasons a 3800lb car could handle like it did.

The Supra prices are up there for 2 reasons. One of course is the hype. The other is they need only a few mods to go fast because of how well they were equipped from the factory. The fuel system & turbos can support 11-sec runs with only exhaust required. The 3S cars need injectors, fuel pump, a downpipe, and turbos to get into the 11s. Let me also note that I installed a single turbo & FMIC on my brother's 94 Supra so I have experience with them too.

One of the Supra tuners compared the 3S & Supra engines on the bench and found that the 3S valves & heads actually flow better than the Supra. Only until recently have people been bolting on turbos to actually use some of that capacity. A pair of stock Eclipse 14b turbos & adapter flanges (on the stock manifolds) yeilded 11.3 @ 124 on a car with the same mods I had.

It'll always be the bastard child of the imports, but for those that own them it doesn't really matter. I really hated to sell mine, especially having never tried it with bigger turbos, but I've moved on to another sleeper that should be just as fun. It's 500 lbs lighter and only .5 liter less engine, so with the right mods it will become an 11-sec sedan.

Every twin turbo model except the 95 and 96 Stealth (very rare; 57 made) was also 4WS. It's one of the reasons a 3800lb car could handle like it did.

The Supra prices are up there for 2 reasons. One of course is the hype. The other is they need only a few mods to go fast because of how well they were equipped from the factory. The fuel system & turbos can support 11-sec runs with only exhaust required. The 3S cars need injectors, fuel pump, a downpipe, and turbos to get into the 11s. Let me also note that I installed a single turbo & FMIC on my brother's 94 Supra so I have experience with them too.

One of the Supra tuners compared the 3S & Supra engines on the bench and found that the 3S valves & heads actually flow better than the Supra. Only until recently have people been bolting on turbos to actually use some of that capacity. A pair of stock Eclipse 14b turbos & adapter flanges (on the stock manifolds) yeilded 11.3 @ 124 on a car with the same mods I had.

It'll always be the bastard child of the imports, but for those that own them it doesn't really matter. I really hated to sell mine, especially having never tried it with bigger turbos, but I've moved on to another sleeper that should be just as fun. It's 500 lbs lighter and only .5 liter less engine, so with the right mods it will become an 11-sec sedan.

I remember you had been waiting forever for that bigger turbo kit. Wasn't it 16G's and the adapter plate was what was holding it up? Either way, I agree, the 3S cars are the Rodney Dangerfield (RIP) of the imports. At what boost level did that car the 11.3@124?

Kyle

Talk about a group buy gone bad - I still haven't received SQUAT on that deal and I paid for it 2 years ago!! That's almost $2k shot to hell. I keep hoping that they'll arrive one day so I can at least sell the package to someone else.

The run I mentioned was at 20 psi and I believe it was on pump, or maybe had some 100 unleaded mixed in. A friend's Spyder VR4 in Dallas did 11.8 @ 124 on small 16g's and he's already replacing them with some huge DR1000's (a 16g would fit in its intake).