Charger in transit....Real GOOD pics.

Allpar.com (http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/dodge-charger.html)

I'm sure it's gonna be a very nice sedan, but you'd think people are gonna scream bloody murder over a 4-door Charger when you think of the way many reacted to a 2-door RWD, V8 GTO.

will this replace the 300c?

Just remember, this is only a Dodge LX car. This isn't the Charger until Chrysler announces it.

call that whatever you want, but it ain't a charger!!

if people gave the GTO a hard time, the reception for this one could REALLY be ugly :no:

I'm still not 100% convinced that THAT car will end up being called Charger.

When I look at that with the 4-door and so on, all I can think is "Chrysler 300 ". I give it two thumbs down.

Does anyone have any idea of were these cars could be going?

Unless they pull a switch on us almost everybody with some sort of credible inside source is saying...that's it. As I said on another board this tihng either had better be a lot cheaper than the 300C or a lot lighter than the 300C because if it's not nobody will buy it. They had a slight chance to sell them if it was a good looking car with the Charger name plate but an ugly four door...is going to tank badly.
Will say this though looks better with the front covered up.

As I said on another board this tihng either had better be a lot cheaper than the 300C or a lot lighter than the 300C because if it's not nobody will buy it. Will say this though looks better with the front covered up.

yeah, i didn't even think about the weight...a 4200-lb charger is NOT going to fly, no matter how much HP they stuff in it

YUK,what was Dodge thinking?????After seeing the '99 show car this is a BIG dissapointment.

All I see is a 4-door mangum (minus the station wagon), it looks like the black one even has the magnum wheels.

Boy, that had better NOT be called Charger...............Magnum, yes......Charger, Oh HELL NO!

It'd be funny if this car is called a Magnum sedan & a Charger debuts as a coupe next year.

No, don't read into that.

You had to expect a sedan Magnum for fleet duty ...

Maybe it's a fool's hope, but with the positive reaction to the '99 concept, you have to imagine that Chrysler has a RWD coupe in the works. Chrysler seems to be pretty good at keeping cars under wraps the last couple of years.

Even if they call this one "Charger," I wouldn't give up hope. It seems to me, car manufacturers are much like movie studios. You don't see blockbuster hopefuls out the same weekend. So, Mustang first, then ...

It's about grabbing the spotlight for the segment.

Wow, i was expecting the rear doors to be small (think rx8), but those doors are huge :(. This is basically a sedan version of the magnum, or another way of looking at it is as a Dodge version of the 300C sedan. That fact alone dissapoint me.

Chrysler has a trademark on the name Super Bee. Just some food for thought.

edit: Some more food.....

Everyone knows that the Dodge dealers were very upset when there was no Dodge sedan version of the 300. While this is understandable, you have to wonder if there was ever meant to be a Intrepid replacement? When the 300 and Magnum was released, it was rumored that the Charger was going to be the Intrepid replacement, but then there was the solid rumor that it was going to also have those 2 smaller "fire escape" doors in the rear. How can you have a car that is replacing the Intrepid not be available with 4 full sized doors? This does not make sense from a marketing position. The rumors of this "other car" are pretty recent, within the last 4-6 months. The Charger rumors have been around long before this "other car" starting leaking out. Did Chrysler get so much presure from Dodge dealers that they decided to make a sedan version of the Magnum to shut them up? Remember, everyone suggested that the Charger was going to be the Intrepid replacement. I don't ever remember hearing anything from Chrysler saying this.

I thought the Charger was going to be a Sedan that looked like a coupe? I was expecting Ion style suiside doors or hidden rear doors handles like the 99 Charger concept or SS concept. If that is the Charger it is a big disapointment. DC will be 2 for 3 with the LX cars, oh well not every car can be a homerun. Glad I didn't wait for the Charger like I was thinking.

Yeah it does look alot like the magnum..for the middleaged family man who just wants something that kinda looks sporty with a v8 then i guess its alright. But that thing is gunna pull 15 sec times with all that weight.

Dodge has nothing in the camaro/mustang price bracket. you would think they would want to compete in the market.

80-100k dollar viper
50-60k dollar srt 10-ram
20k dollar srt 4-economy car
20k magnum
18k stratus
15k ram


no coups unless its a 100k dollar viper or a economy car srt-4

I'm still not 100% convinced that THAT car will end up being called Charger.
Same here...with all the rumors going around that it will resemble the '99 concept somewhat...that thing looks nothing like it. I really hope thats not it.

If you were not going to make a 4dr sedan to replace the Intrepid, I can think of one really easy way to make one really quick....make a production version of the Enforcer.

Well, this is a letdown, although you could see it comming with all the info and earlier spy shots. I will be really interested to see how this thing does.

no coups unless its a 100k dollar viper or a economy car srt-4

and the SRT-4 isnt even a coupe ;)

and the SRT-4 isnt even a coupe ;)
Not yet.....

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :confused:

I guess I'm the only one who thinks this car looks really nice. I love the lines, it looks powerful. I will wait until I get a clean look at the front and rear ends for a final opinion, but I really like what I see. I think the srt-8 version of this car is going to be incredible.

What about this part of the article...

The SRT-8 model is said to have 0-60 numbers of under 5 seconds, with handling comparable to the base Corvette.
That handling part seems a little far fetched, right? How heavy is this car going to be?

Why does this car have to be so slow so as to pull 15-second 1/4mi? It's the same car as Magnum and 300C, and those things pull 13.8 to 14.2 and trapping around 100 mph with the only available AUTO tranny. :confused:

very not bad at all.

If they're not even going to produce official artist sketches or show the car at a international auto show until January, why would they have a truck load of the things cruising around already? I don't know, feels like the timing isn't quite right or something...

I'm holding out faith that this is something else entirely. It's just ALL WRONG for a Charger IMO. That coming from someone who defended the new GTO and such...

But I guess I'm just grasping at straws, it won't surprise me if they flush the potentially great new Charger right down the toilet with this abomination...

They sure messed that one up.

Don't get any ideas GM from this about the 5th gen...

If that comes witht he 6.1 and is cheeper then the 300c-srt8 then im sold!
GF hates wagons but other wise likes the new dodge look.

I like.

It'd be funny if this car is called a Magnum sedan & a Charger debuts as a coupe next year.

No, don't read into that.


Guion,

Is there a wink, wink, nudge, nudge that goes along with this statement?

All I see is a 4-door mangum (minus the station wagon), it looks like the black one even has the magnum wheels.


Yup... ***shrug***

TS

Hey, it could be worse. At least it's a RWD V8 car.
People are already saying "That's not a Charger..."

anyone remember the 4Cyl. FWD Chargers from the 80's ???

http://www.sdac-chicago.org/members/

PS - I had one, so I can talk smack about them. :D

Brandon

yeah, i didn't even think about the weight...a 4200-lb charger is NOT going to fly, no matter how much HP they stuff in it

Nevermind acceleration out of such a heavy car, the article says they're aiming for Corvette handling as well!

Nevermind acceleration out of such a heavy car, the article says they're aiming for Corvette handling as well!

They can aim for whatever they want but achiving it is another story. I am sure it will handle well for what it is but I really doubt it will be up to Corvette level handling.

:blah: Looks like a sedan version of the Magnum. Same ridiculous LX beltline. I am almost thinking that it is simply that, a Magnum sedan (did we really think they'd replace the Intrepid with only a wagon?). Maybe a Charger/Challenger smaller coupe is down the line separately? Or did they just decide to call the Magnum sedan a Charger to play on the historical name (like the "hemi"), and this is indeed the return of the Charger in name only?

The guy also claims that "chrysler has officially said that it is a charger" but I havent read that anywhere else..so I doubt the rest of the article is true.

Im thinking its a magnum sedan...put 20's on it, the 6.1 and a m6 and that thing is gonig to look sweet.

Like this, only sedan:
magnum srt8 wagon (http://www.motordesktop.com/wallpaper/conceptcars/Dodge%20Magnum%20SRT8%20Concept%202003%20-%201024x768.jpg)

If it's a Magnum sedan (I hope) then why aren't there fender flares as on the Magnum stationwagon?

If it's a Magnum sedan (I hope) then why aren't there fender flares as on the Magnum stationwagon?

Good point

They can aim for whatever they want but achiving it is another story. I am sure it will handle well for what it is but I really doubt it will be up to Corvette level handling.

I agree. Getting a heavy 4 door to handle on the same lines as a two seater 50/50 weight balanced sports car is gonna be uber-tough.

I'm hoping that car doesnt wear the Charger name-plate. If people who blasted the GTO accept this thing as a Charger I'm gonna start handing out the "I'm a hypocrite" signs. I'm REALLY hoping thats not the Charger but with Chysler saying "The Charger is ready, are you?", im not holding much hope. :(

One more thing: Does anyone else think these pictures are too good to be true?

Think about it. I have never seen a pic of a future car, let alone 3 of them, on a trailer. The guys driving them usually "run away" when they see a camara. These pictures make you think this truck was just sitting outside with no one around.

all i know is, car manufacturers are doing a horrible, horrible marketing job with these car names. sticking GTO on what the GTO looks like now? yes some people love it, but the general reaction is disinterest. a 4 door charger? the horsepower war is starting to really heat up again and they will be vastly hurting their sales with a 4 door that will be heavy as hell. people butchering these cars images with all the lack luster reintroductions has me very very scared for the camaro revival. :(

At the bottom right of this page the link (http://www.dodge.com/dodge_life/index.html?context=dodge_life-index&type=top_nav) has a blurred pick of the rear of the 99 concept. The Charger could still be something else
actual concept pic (http://www.carpicsplus.com/sempower/imagesb/concept/n3.jpg)

Now why would they show the concept car and bring out something else?:confused:

I still get goosebumps when I see that concept :D
Your right about that link though...I'm nearly convinced that these pics aren't of the actual Charger.

At the bottom right of this page the link (http://www.dodge.com/dodge_life/index.html?context=dodge_life-index&type=top_nav) has a blurred pick of the rear of the 99 concept. The Charger could still be something else
actual concept pic (http://www.carpicsplus.com/sempower/imagesb/concept/n3.jpg)

Now why would they show the concept car and bring out something else?:confused:

As far as the blurred pic, most on Allpar have come to the conclusion that someone in marketing was told to do it and wouldn't get a pic of what the real car looked like. The second statement is still one that doesn't make sense to me. Why would Chrysler still parade around the 99 Charger is the real one wasn't even going to closely look like it?

I am not totally convinced that the sedans in those spy pictures are Chargers. There is still a chance that they could be "Magnum Sedans". You must remember that it has been talked about that Dodge Dealers were ticked that they got the Magnum wagon, but did not get any sedans like the 300. These sedans could have been done to fill that void.

Um, guys, go look at a pictur eof a dodge intrepid..... take a hammer to flatten up the front, and the rear, stuff it on an LX platform and that is what you have, those pictures.... the rear pillar is identical to current intrepids.

As an aside, if chrysler is able to keep it under wraps, why would they just leave those cars out there in public like that. $10 says it is the intrepid replacement, AND NOT the charger.

Um, guys, go look at a pictur eof a dodge intrepid..... take a hammer to flatten up the front, and the rear, stuff it on an LX platform and that is what you have, those pictures.... the rear pillar is identical to current intrepids.

As an aside, if chrysler is able to keep it under wraps, why would they just leave those cars out there in public like that. $10 says it is the intrepid replacement, AND NOT the charger.

The Charger sedan "is" the Intrepid replacement. The reason why they are using the Charger name so they can use it NASCAR and use the historic "Charger" name to envoke a racing heritage that would help sell a 4-door RWD v6 & HEMI sedan as a Mustang competitor.

looks like an effen jetta.