Dyno pull of LS2 GTO

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64220


Interesting 350/350.

there will be nothing new in 2005 that will match its power for the price range.

Keep in mind that's an A4 with TQ management in tact... ;)

Keep in mind that's an A4 with TQ management in tact... ;)


Torque management is during shifts. There's no shift showing on that dyno, is there?

350rwhp is pretty damn good. That's 400+hp.

there will be nothing new in 2005 that will match its power for the price range.

6.1 Hemi SRT-8

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html

http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/13/pf/autos/bc.autos.chrysler.hemi.reut/index.htm

6.1 Hemi SRT-8

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html

http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/13/pf/autos/bc.autos.chrysler.hemi.reut/index.htm


this will cost low to mid 30's ???

i still reakon the GTO will beat it... how much does it weigh ?

Torque management is during shifts. There's no shift showing on that dyno, is there?

350rwhp is pretty damn good. That's 400+hp.

Hell yes it's pretty damned good. It's around 421HP with that auto.

The more impressive thing about the LS2 is the TQ curve...something to help get that GTO rolling...

this will cost low to mid 30's ???

i still reakon the GTO will beat it... how much does it weigh ?


Sorry, but the '05 GTO isn't coming in in the low-mid '30s. They'll be comparable in price.

And the 300C is just as fast as the current auto GTO. So why wouldn't a 6.1 Hemi easily keep up with the GM 6.0?

this will cost low to mid 30's ???

i still reakon the GTO will beat it... how much does it weigh ?

Curb weight: 4160 pounds

I would bet somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000 more than a GTO (MSRP probably around $40,000).

In addition:
"The fuel economy of the 6.1 liter version of the Hemi is far from great, and the 300C SRT-8 will only get about 14 miles per gallon in city driving and 19 on the highway. Because of that it will also be subject to the U.S. gas guzzler tax."

BigBlueCruiser: The '05 GTO will be at or very near it's current price, guaranteed. Just like the C6 Vette is at or below its equivalent C5 price, despite all the new content.

The '04 GTO sold below expectations. They are adding content to make it more desirable. Do you really think they will offset the addition of the LS2, better brakes, hood scoops ( :rolleyes: ), and dead pedal by adding 4 grand to the price?

My guess: that 6.1L SRT8 300C will be in the low to mid 40s, at least. The DC guy in the Autoweek article said to look at how they priced the SRT4, SRT6, and SRT10 (Ram) for an idea of where the SRT8 will be, saying they want the best bang for the buck. So I'm guessing the SRT8 will come in a little under the somewhat smaller and lighter CTS-V. The GTO will be considerably cheaper than this SRT8 (it is already cheaper than a 300C Hemi, certainly out the door...).

Sorry, but the '05 GTO isn't coming in in the low-mid '30s. They'll be comparable in price.

And the 300C is just as fast as the current auto GTO. So why wouldn't a 6.1 Hemi easily keep up with the GM 6.0?

2005 GTO will be about the same price as the 2004 GTO (which is the same as the 340HP 300C) The SRT-8 300C will probably cost about $40K, A loaded 300C now cost $41K and that is without the $2000 AWD option.

The GTO should be faster since both cars put out around the same HP but the GTO is 400lbs. lighter.

[QUOTE=The GTO will be considerably cheaper than this SRT8 (it is already cheaper than a 300C Hemi, certainly out the door...).[/QUOTE]

Not true. The current 300c hemi can be had decently equiped for 32k. About the same as or cheaper then the GTO.

Is anyone still paying $32k for GTOs?

If I can buy a 400hp GTO for $32K this time next year.

Then consider it sold.

Assuming the auto still has 18% drivetrain loss. 351 RWHP = 428HP :eek: :bow:

even at 15% loss that is still 413HP

I'm suprised the automags didn't get better times with the C6 since the LS2 is underrated.

LS2 GTO vs. S/C Cobra should be a good drag race, now they are both on par with HP and weight.

They need to stop letting the journalists complete the tests that will be the basis for the numbers that will go in print. Sure they need to drive and experience the car, but they need to find a decent driver to put the numbers up.

I dont read mags anymore, they are useless.

Sorry, but the '05 GTO isn't coming in in the low-mid '30s. They'll be comparable in price.

How do you know this?

Curb weight: 4160 pounds

I would bet somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000 more than a GTO (MSRP probably around $40,000).

In addition:
"The fuel economy of the 6.1 liter version of the Hemi is far from great, and the 300C SRT-8 will only get about 14 miles per gallon in city driving and 19 on the highway. Because of that it will also be subject to the U.S. gas guzzler tax."

:lol: :lol: Pathetic! :o

Assuming the auto still has 18% drivetrain loss. 351 RWHP = 428HP :eek: :bow:

even at 15% loss that is still 413HP

OMG :bow: :bow: I'm in tears! Too bad the Camaro couldn't stick around for that :shame: Those Cobra guys would have to crawl back under their rocks.

6.1 Hemi SRT-8

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html

http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/13/pf/autos/bc.autos.chrysler.hemi.reut/index.htm

I wanna see this brick do 170 mph....at sustained speed....:rolleyes: :no:

I wanna see this brick do 170 mph....at sustained speed....:rolleyes: :no:


It looks like both cars will be about equal on the performance front. It'll come down to styling and price as to whether there's an SRT-8 or a GTO in your driveay.

It looks like both cars will be about equal on the performance front. It'll come down to styling and price as to whether there's an SRT-8 or a GTO in your driveay.


..and the fact that one has 4 doors and one has 2 ;)

It looks like both cars will be about equal on the performance front. It'll come down to styling and price as to whether there's an SRT-8 or a GTO in your driveay.

My point was simply top speed capability. Straight line performance equality I can buy. I don't have specific cd numbers on the 300 but I have to believe it would take a rediculous amount of horsepower combined with outrageous gearing to push that brick wall of a front end to 170 mph. Reminds me of when Dodge claimed their Tomahawk bike would reach 350 mph...me thinks they tend to exaggerate.

My point was simply top speed capability. Straight line performance equality I can buy. I don't have specific cd numbers on the 300 but I have to believe it would take a rediculous amount of horsepower combined with outrageous gearing to push that brick wall of a front end to 170 mph. Reminds me of when Dodge claimed their Tomahawk bike would reach 350 mph...me thinks they tend to exaggerate.

Yea, theres no way the 300 is going to compete in the top speed category, you can tell just by looking at it. Doesn't the GTO alreaddy get up to 165 MPH or something with "only" 350 hp?

I think Dodge claimed 300 mph on the Tomahawk bike, which I don't think is too far fetched for 500HP to tug just an engine, wheels, and a gas tank.

I think Dodge claimed 300 mph on the Tomahawk bike, which I don't think is too far fetched for 500HP to tug just an engine, wheels, and a gas tank.

Ehh, Boss Hoss will build you a nice 502ci, 500 horse bike that's fully street legal...and it obviously won't approach 300 mph. I laughed at Dodge for actually touting their Tomahawk concept as somehow original...and a $1,000,000 price tag for nothing but a Viper engined stuffed in a piece of unrideable "art" is even more comical.

:lol: I bet their making some money off of it though.

Lets see the same dyno pull in an A4 with a production torque convertor.

The following data is pulled from C&D (please don't accuse me of magazine racing, its all I have in this particular case).

The 300C 's Drag area, Cd (0.35) x frontal area (25.4 sq ft): 8.89 sq ft
The 04 GTO's Drag area, Cd (0.31) x frontal area (23.3 sq ft, est): 7.22 sq ft

Can't qualify that, but certainly the GTO slips thru the air better.

The 350 HP 346 cid 04 GTO and the 340 HP 345 cid 05 300C ran nearly identical times. C&D got 13.9 @ 102 out of the Hemi, and 13.9 @ 102 out of the GTO. Both were autos (no doubt the M6 GTO could do better).

The 300C weighs almost 300 lbs more than the GTO (4140 vs 3821).

Assuming the HP ratings are accurate, the LS2 GTO and 6.1L 300C should be very close in performance (excepting gas mileage, as has been stated).

Source:
GTO Test Specs (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7360&page_number=4)
300C Test Specs (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8009&page_number=3)

I really think that 13.9 @ 102mph was a ringer from Chrysler. Judging from what others have reported from drag strips, the norm seems to be mid 14's at around 98mph.