0-60 2.9 seconds, 1/4 mile 10.6 seconds

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet....

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=213&threadID=10130&tstart=0

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet....

http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=213&threadID=10130&tstart=0


Yeah... you know it's just not that impressive.

For a million dollar car.
Shoot there's Cobra's running that fast.

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Yeah... you know it's just not that impressive.

For a million dollar car.
Shoot there's Cobra's running that fast.


there's also a few kenne bell monaro/GTO's running that fast, but i think that isn't the point, when you look at the whole package.

not saying that other supercars arent better value though, there are alot of choices

I guess it'd be like comparing apples to oranges , but in a day when you have 9 and 10 second F-bodies , vettes and mustangs roaming around with driveablity not far from stock and sometimes even emmisions legal ....a 12 cyl. with 4 turbos in a lightweight car like that is not too impressive . ::shrugs::

unbelievable ...

i mean critisize the car compared to others in their category, fair enough.. but i can't believe the tenacity of you guys to even mention cobra and f-body, just because in a highly modified state they can pull similar times in a straight line .. ughh.. :confused:

I thought it was rather uninspiring considering it came off the heals of the Sixteen which was making 150 more hp na, albeit with 4 more cylinders.

you all do realize the gears are set for a track(cornering etc.), not a straight line.

I thought it was rather uninspiring considering it came off the heals of the Sixteen which was making 150 more hp na, albeit with 4 more cylinders.

That car is incredible but there is no way it'll handle like this mid engine super car.

I think it would be interesting if they actually built it, a working prototype is a good start though.

Yeah... you know it's just not that impressive.

For a million dollar car.
Shoot there's Cobra's running that fast.

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IT's got four turbos. Just turn them up :rolleyes: :eek:

unbelievable ...

i mean critisize the car compared to others in their category, fair enough.. but i can't believe the tenacity of you guys to even mention cobra and f-body, just because in a highly modified state they can pull similar times in a straight line .. ughh.. :confused:

True. Look at the Ferrari 360. A bolt-on ls1 will walk one. Doesn't mean the Ferrari 360 isn't impressive.

if only it wasn't named like a WWII nazi fighter plane...

ahahaha, thats what you get when you have Germans pulling the strings!
Now, who wins in this "air to air" battle? ME412 or Mustang?

:blah: Car was ok looking (although cooler in person than in pictures, for sure, messed up mainly by the stupid taillights). But to me, it's one of those "who cares" cars. Cool for middle school/ high school kids to drool over (like I did with F40, Diablo, Countach, ZR1, McLaren F1, Bugatti EB110, etc. etc.), but that's about it... Does get some publicity for DCX, though. 1 million bucks? Sort of like that upcoming VW/Bugatti with the 980 hp or whatever....

I simply can't believe that there's a logical rational & thinking person on the entire planet that isn't impresed by a car that runs from 0-60 in under 3 seconds! That just simply blows my mind! :shock:

Performance cars perhaps have simply gotten too powerful. People are loosing ALL perspective of reality, and are really becoming quite simply amazingly jaded regarding what is quick & impressive.

Last week I was flabberghasted that someone actually called the Lincoln LS slow simply because it isn't as quick as the totally overpowered CTSv. This despite the fact the LS runs 0-60 in the low 6 second range... roughly as quick as most all of the quickest mid-size muscle cars of the 60s when attached to an automatic transmission.

NOW..... if that isn't enough, a car that reaches 60 miles per hour about as fast as you can say it in normal conversation ISN'T impressive?! Even though it qulifies it as the quickest production car on the planet, simply because if you have enough money, you can go build yourself a purpose built F-body with an engine that might last a few months?!

I really hate to say this, but some of you need to re-establish your grip on reality. We are talking about a production car whose buyers are looking for the quickest and rarest thing on the planet with a warranty. We are living in a time some of the quickest cars ever made are available. Anything that runs under 7 seconds is pretty quick. Anything under 6 seconds is very quick. Anything under 5 seconds is by every single definition is extremely quick. We are talking production road cars with 100,000 mile warranties meeting modern emission & safety, not something you screwed together in your back yard that may last a dozen races without exploding.

I can't wait to see what's being said next week: "Heck, 0-60 in 1.2 seconds aint fast. I can strap a Saturn rocket on the roof of my 88 IROC, and easily beat that time, and still have change left over"

Good grief! :rolleyes:

guionM, I agree when it comes to normal cars that people have become too jaded (350 hp in the GTO is nothing, 400 is like a minimum for some people - that is 911 Turbo power, people!!).

However, in the case of a car that costs 1 million bucks, well, it is easier to not be blown away. Because, well, it costs a million bucks, and it damn well better go faster than the 80k Viper that does 0-60 in 3.9 or so. Or the $500k McLaren F1 that did it in the low 3s. See what I mean? I mean, it would blow a person away to accelerate that quickly if they were used to a normal car. However, it is rather common (compared to the number of people who will by an ME412) for guys on this board, and thousands who aren't on this board, to have 10 second cars that would run right with this 412 in a straight line. So the technological feat of accelerating that quickly is impressive, it isn't really mind blowing or rare. It's just rare as a "production" car, which the 412 doesn't really qualify as, since it costs the aforementioned million bucks (if produced at all). Let us recall that a Top Fueler goes to 60 mph in around a second, and well over 200 mph before the nearly 900 hp 412 gets to 60. It's all a matter of perspective. Speed costs money; how fast do ya wanna go?...

So is the car impressive? Absolutely! Does our lackk of drooling excitement mean we need to readjust ourselves? Not when the car costs a million bucks, imo.

Now when people start saying that 400 hp is like some minimum requirement, or that the C6 with 400 hp and "only" a 12.7 @ 113 showing by the magazines (for 45 grand MSRP) is not impressive, then yeah, that's a little jaded.

4.3 to 60 mph, 12.7 @ 113 in the quarter, 186 mph top speed (!), all for 1/2 to 2/3 of what ZR1s were going for 15 years ago is pretty damn impressive, in my book. And more impressive than a car with over twice the power going quite a bit faster but for over 20 times the price... :)

We aren't all that jaded, but you certainly have a point when it comes to many of todays normal performance cars...

EDIT: All that being said, if I encountered one on the street, you can bet my gf would probably have to wipe my chin, and I'd have to explain my excitement by saying "that car could hit 120 mph in about the time your Saturn will hit sixty!". But then she'd ask what it costs, and she'd declare it ridiculous to pay that much for a car, to which I'd have little argument...

for THAT price, I'd get a Ford GT for each day of the week, and be 7X as happy

Guion, before you blast hi-po engines for only lasting 2 months under street conditions, poke around for information on some of the turbo LS1s, including Mike Brown and his 9 second street-driven stock bottom end TA.

Joe hit it on the head
So is the car impressive? Absolutely! Does our lack of drooling excitement mean we need to readjust ourselves? Not when the car costs a million bucks, imo.

Agreed with Joe...

I agree wholeheartedly that the price of the ME four twelve is absolutlely ridiculous. Although I don't expect it to cost a million, it WILL be over $500,000. At that price, I don't care how quick a car is, nothing that has 4 wheels is worth THAT much!!!!! :no:

BUT... only B4C made a reference to the car's price in his post. Everyone else acted like that the car was supposed to have all 3 space shuttle engines strapped to the roof before it would be impressive, which I found pretty amazing considering a 2.9 second 0-60 blast garnered essentially shrugs and the inevitable "I can modify a (insert car's name here) and blow it away!" comment.

Is a million (or even $300,000) an insane amount of money to pay for a car? H*LL yea it is! Ford could probally make the GT match the ME four twelve's performance for a final price tag under $200,000, making the Chrysler seem more than just overpriced.

But 2.9 seconds to 60 in any street car is flat out blisteringly quick! :bow:

I'm not impressed by top fuel dragsters either.

I agree wholeheartedly that the price of the ME four twelve is absolutlely ridiculous. Although I don't expect it to cost a million, it WILL be over $500,000. At that price, I don't care how quick a car is, nothing that has 4 wheels is worth THAT much!!!!! :no:

BUT... only B4C made a reference to the car's price in his post. Everyone else acted like that the car was supposed to have all 3 space shuttle engines strapped to the roof before it would be impressive, which I found pretty amazing considering a 2.9 second 0-60 blast garnered essentially shrugs and the inevitable "I can modify a (insert car's name here) and blow it away!" comment.

Is a million (or even $300,000) an insane amount of money to pay for a car? H*LL yea it is! Ford could probally make the GT match the ME four twelve's performance for a final price tag under $200,000, making the Chrysler seem more than just overpriced.

But 2.9 seconds to 60 in any street car is flat out blisteringly quick! :bow:Agreed 100%. Anyone not impressed by its numbers needs a map to reality. :think:

that things badass

Or the $500k McLaren F1...[/COLOR]

Find me a $500,000 McLaren F1, please. :)

The Lingenfelter Corvette (427 TT) did 0-60 in 1.97 and the quarter in 9.2 @ 150, I believe. All for $150,000. Warrenty? Yes.

With such performance, who would even think about buying a Ford GT? Or two Vipers? Or a Ferrari short of an Enzo/F-50? Or almost any Porsche? Oh yea, people that want to enjoy an exotic car because, to be blunt, they're fuggin' rich and could care less if they get beat by the primered IROC.

Every car I just named out-performs the Lamborghini Gallardo, but you'd be damned to see me pass up a Gallardo for a chance at any of the others. :no:

Performance isn't everything. :)

:p

You are right Guion , cars have got incredibly fast grossly surpasing supercar levels in cars that average people own . Its getting quite difficult for a supercar to really be something to freak out over . I guess if exotic end of the automotive world is what floats your boat , then this car is definately causing some excitement . Bash me if ya want , but I would rather see MTI 7.0 c5 blow it carbon fiber doors off , then roadtrip from cali to new york , full streetability , reliabilty , warranty and all . And in my honest opinion , the vette would be the more impressive car ...jmo What great times for car people :bow: :cool:

Plus ...my trans am will go 0-60 in under 3 sec. so there :D :cool: ;) :p

Find me a $500,000 McLaren F1, please. :)

The Lingenfelter Corvette (427 TT) did 0-60 in 1.97 and the quarter in 9.2 @ 150, I believe. All for $150,000. Warrenty? Yes.

With such performance, who would even think about buying a Ford GT? Or two Vipers? Or a Ferrari short of an Enzo/F-50? Or almost any Porsche? Oh yea, people that want to enjoy an exotic car because, to be blunt, they're fuggin' rich and could care less if they get beat by the primered IROC.

Every car I just named out-performs the Lamborghini Gallardo, but you'd be damned to see me pass up a Gallardo for a chance at any of the others. :no:

Performance isn't everything. :)

:pOh, I know. I wasn't saying that I would take a 10 second modified Camaro over that car. I was just saying that the feat of achieving those numbers isn't really that outstanding when you consider the cost. It was in response to guionM's post about everyone needing a reality check if we aren't impressed by a 2.9 second 0-60. Of course that is impressive, but it doesn't blow me away that a car can achieve such astounding numbers when someone else could build a car for the strip that would embarrass the ME412, all for maybe 20 grand. Would I take the $20k strip car over a hyper exotic if given the keys to either one? Of course not. I'm just saying that 2.9 seconds to 60 and a 10 second 1/4 mile, while certainly blazing fast, are not really rare. They are just rare in cars that you can buy from a dealership. But a million dollar car isn't exactly a car most people could just go buy at a dealership... :)

....Would I take the $20k strip car over a hyper exotic if given the keys to either one? Of course not. I'm just saying that 2.9 seconds to 60 and a 10 second 1/4 mile, while certainly blazing fast, are not really rare. They are just rare in cars that you can buy from a dealership. But a million dollar car isn't exactly a car most people could just go buy at a dealership... :)

That alone sums it up.

The performance itself of something that quick from an automaker is incredible, and by no means a yawn.

The price is something there is no way on earth I'm defending.

Find me a $500,000 McLaren F1, please. :)

The Lingenfelter Corvette (427 TT) did 0-60 in 1.97 and the quarter in 9.2 @ 150, I believe. All for $150,000. Warrenty? Yes.

With such performance, who would even think about buying a Ford GT? Or two Vipers? Or a Ferrari short of an Enzo/F-50? Or almost any Porsche? Oh yea, people that want to enjoy an exotic car because, to be blunt, they're fuggin' rich and could care less if they get beat by the primered IROC.

Every car I just named out-performs the Lamborghini Gallardo, but you'd be damned to see me pass up a Gallardo for a chance at any of the others. :no:

Performance isn't everything. :)

:p

1. In the end all you have is a $150,000 car that looks alot like everyone else's $45,000 one.

2. Lingenfelter is an aftermarket tuner. I'm talking from-the-factory performance.

3. Who would think of buying a Ford GT? Considering GTs are sold out at the moment, seems there are plenty. Besides, who would by a $150,000 Corvette to see yourself coming & going when the Ford GT is rare, purpose built (not a modified car), and no doubt is going to go up in value... way up. Oh, and it's blazingly quick as well.

4. If you are comparing a primered IROC to an exotic car, you need your head examined. :)

5. You say performance isn't everything, yet your entire post is based on the premise that performance IS everything.

You are saying a Lingenfelter Corvette is more desireable than a Ford GT, Dodge Viper, a Ferrari, a Porsche, and even a Lamborghini. Then you even post that the only reason people buy these cars is that they are rich & don't care about being beat by a primered IROC.


By the way, the Lingenfelter's warranty is just 2 years or 24,000 miles. The price ($165,000) is for their work. You still have to provide the $53,000 Corvette, rounding out your cost at $218,000. For a CORVETTE!!

Gotta tell you, if I'm going to spend $200K+ for a car (fat chance that it is), it certainly isn't going to be for a modified Corvette. Judging by what's actually selling, I'd say that's probally the going sentiment in the marketplace. :)

Guion, re-read his post, he's on your side :)