Since it's VIN locked, I can't use it anyway, so does anyone have a copy of LT1 edit I can get to see if I may like it better than TC? I would appreciate it if someone did; I have heard people going both ways between TC and LT1E.

PM me if you have something.

Ryan

 

Nice try

Just buy tuner car since your hard up for cash, they are the same program just layed out different. they both do the same things

 

Nice try?? Umm... I've owned TunerCat for about 4 years now. However, I want to see the differences. I know LT1E has power enrich and you can also change the actual BLM cells.

Again, how would this be a nice try when the LT1E program is VIN locked??? Enlighten me.... I can't use it unless I bought the car that went with it...

Ryan

 

From what i've read they are pretty much equal. Some say that TC has more to offer in a clunkier interface. LT1E has a much more organized user interface with menus that are very well organized versus TC's open one open all mentality.

 

I have used both. Tunercat's user interface is prehistoric at best. LT1_Edit is much more user friendly. Can you guess which one I use ?

 

I understand if people think I am trying to get a pirated copy. If this makes things easier, can someone send me a ton of screenshots so I can see how everything is set up? I don't want to drop the money on it unless I really think I will like it a lot better. I am used to programming with TC and was just curious if there were a bunch more advantages to using LT1E.

THanks for all the help, guys.

Ryan

 

I don't see the big deal, I might give you my copy

Would you like the VIN Unlocked version of Edit or the locked LOL?

 

Only the cable is VIN locked AFAIK. You can use the editor all you want from what I've seen.

I had a copy of the editor for 6 months before I purchased it because a shop that tuned my car for me had computer problems, we loaded the software to my laptop and used their cable, after that the editor still worked for me. I purchased it because I wanted to be able to load the files myself without driving 2 hours or more each way.

Maybe it had to do with the version of the editor that I had or where I got it from, but I was looking at and could edit my tune, but I couldn't load it.

So I supposed theoretically, you could get a copy of the editor from someone, convert your TC file and work with it in LT1 Edit, then covert it back to load it to the car with Tunercat...

 

Yeah you can alter it in Edit but you have to upload it in tunercat unless the vin matches, the PCM has 2 locations for the VIN number

 

Hey Bunker why don't you rip me a tune for my current setup?

I'm stuck at a stupid 103mph and apparently I suck pretty bad at TC cause I can't seem to get it tuned right. BLEH - Least I hit 12's today

 

Back in the day when I was doing beta testing for LT1_Edit, it was competitive. While the screens may look a little prettier in LT1_Edit I don't like their newest layout (tab between tables and graphs). The price has also grown a lot more expensive. The development/updates on the OBD1 application from the LT1_Edit crew is almost non-existent since the cash cow is with the LSx and newer Vortec market.

Tunercat looks more like a 16-bit application so it feels old. Part of the reason for the more generic interface is the fact that it's a one size fits all application, it's used on many different platforms. Tunercat has a lot of advantages. It's cheaper, it's dirt cheap! It's comprehensive. It has more useful help documentation (though if you really want to understand this stuff you need to work with it and do a lot more research, like the LT1_Edit mailing list). The updates do not cost anything, and they are more frequent. The application is not VIN locked. You can manipulate the graphs to view them at any angle, in 3D. You can modify tables visually by manipulating points on the graph. Data can be easily taken in and out of different tables using copy/paste. It may not be as intuitive for some, and I do manage to lock up the application on occasion (not during reflashing but after changing a lot of graphs).

Overall I think TunerCat is a more powerful tool and a hell of a lot better bargain. LT1_Edit might be more comfortable to the more leisurely tuner. LT1_Edit is more visually pleasing but doesn't allow for the manipulation of data as efficiently as TunerCat. Each application has a couple of tables/switches that the other one doesn't. If you know what you're doing you can add new options to Tunercat yourself though

Either application will work for the majority of peoples' needs. Both applications will only work as well as the operator is skilled. If you already have TunerCat I would spend my money elsewhere that's going to give better returns, like a wideband O2 sensor system.

All IMO of course.

 

You cannot save changes to any file but your car's own with LT1_Edit. I think I remember one of the old versions did allow changes though You can always move the VIN and serial number from your car into a different file with a hex editor and then use LT1_Edit. You can view any file with LT1_Edit, just not make changes.

Tunercat went the opposite direction. Not only will they allow you to open and edit any file, but they even added the functionality of being able to open .LT1 formatted files in addition to .BIN files.

Both will compare files.

Think of LT1_Edit as the Microsoft of the PCM editing world and TunerCat as Linux

 

I totally agree. Plus I can custom build the PCM defiintions with Tuner Cat and with Edit what you see is what you get. I edited my definition to give me all the DTC error switches and a few other goodies. Plus as you said TC is a damn good deal plus I can use it to tune a myriad of other ECMs not to mention that its not locked in any sort of way.

I have never seen the feature in Edit that can allow you to edit individual BLM cells. I don't beleive it can be done because that is locked up inside the PCMs controller firmware code.

As for customer support, I can personally testify that TC is probably one of the best. If I have a problem or a question I get an answer within a couple hours during a normal work day. Or if I needed something added into a definition its done by the next day.

By the way I have both editors, I use TC 99.99% of the time.

 

tjwong:

How do I add these extra things with TC? Can we add power enrich to it? Otherwise, I'd like to figure out how to add all the trouble codes. If you can steer me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

Ryan

 

Power enrichment is one of the most basic things, it is already in the TC definition file. In Tuner Cat the PE table is refered to as:

% change to Fuel Air Ratio vs RPM at WOT

There is also another constant that directly affects PE fuel and that is found in this table:

% change to Fuel Air Ratio vs Coolant Temperature at WOT

In most cases of EE file you will see that from 80 to 104 degrees C its around 15.5 (for a stock file) and as temperature rises so does fueling. That is because the engineers wanted to make sure there was adequate fuel to retard detonation at higher engine loads and engine temperatures.

If you need more fuel you can easily tweak this temperature constant for a global change to the PE vs RPM fueling as it add to it across the board.

To make changes to the definition file you need to order Tuner Cats TDF file editor software which is downloadable from TC's website and can be used for 30 days free. Check it out there.

Didn't I help you out with a $EE calibration issue sometime last year?