What has been the fastest BONE STOCK '03/04 Cobra 1/4 mile time?

Curious.

MMFF ran a 12.4 at 113ish in a bone stock one. There may be faster stock times.

MMFF ran a 12.4 at 113ish in a bone stock one. There may be faster stock times.

Eh, I've heard some ridiculous times from MMFF about other Stangs. I doubt it.

Eh, I've heard some ridiculous times from MMFF about other Stangs. I doubt it.

Plenty of others have ran very similar in stock form, believe what you want.

Well, what do you mean by very similar? Exactly 12.4? 12.5? 12.6? I mean, it's certainly believable for me. It better be with 390 horses and pounds of torque. Haha.

i ran a 12.73@112 in my buddies box stock 03 vert (read the post "raced my buddies 03 at the track)...not a real agressive laucnh and not powershifting it....i couple probly get a hi 12.5 out of it...but im not your average driver :D
with a good driver (like me) they should run with z06's....close to anyway...

A 03/04 cobra wont run with a zo6.There have been zo6 that have been in the 11s.

maybe i should of said "will run with a zo6 or close to anyway, if he cant drive"....

And even then you still have to know wth your doing to run 12.5's in a Z06

Eh, I've heard some ridiculous times from MMFF about other Stangs. I doubt it.
Do you doubt that MM&FF ran a 12.89 and a 12.96 in box stock LS1s? And if you're not going to believe the responses, why bother to even ask the question?

Do you doubt that MM&FF ran a 12.89 and a 12.96 in box stock LS1s? And if you're not going to believe the responses, why bother to even ask the question?

good points.

Do you doubt that MM&FF ran a 12.89 and a 12.96 in box stock LS1s? And if you're not going to believe the responses, why bother to even ask the question?

Oh, I believe some of the responses.

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Bob Cosby
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Very, very impressive. I'm tossing around the idea of selling my 99 Cobra once the NMRA season is finished and picking one up. Tough decision for me.
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99 SVT Cobra
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Previous best, N/A, internally stock, bolt-ons: 11.60@114.0 (~3175 lbs)

Cobras will not run with Z06s, plain and simple. I'm talking everything being equal, and that's really the only way to talk about it. No point in saying "Well if this driver did that, and that driver did this..." Sheesh, my '84 Buick could beat John Force, too, if he had a heart attack at the tree, get my point? So, that being said, best times v.s. best times you're looking at high 11s @ 118-120 for the Vette and mid 12s @ 110-112 for the Cobra. Compare average v.s. average and you're looking at mid-low 12s for the Vette and low 13s-high 12s for the Cobra.


Both cars are outstanding performers so there's no point in arguing about such trivial matters. I'm not a "die-hard" fan one way or the other (Chevy v.s. Ford), it's just a very simple matter of one car weighing about 1k lbs less (Vette) and both cars having almost identical HP. Obviously the lighter car will accelerate faster.




Jon

I've never seen a stock Cobra run. But I have seen a lightly modded one in mid-high 12's.

BTW: Jon, what happened to your Altima?

Oh, I believe some of the responses.
Oh, I get it. So if it fits your preconceived notion of what a 03/04 Cobra should run, you believe it. If it does not, you don't believe it. Right?

I've got some info I could pass you, but I'm not going to waste my time. You'll discount and not believe it, because I can assure you it goes against your idea of what one should run.

Have fun.

Jon....I agree. Everything else being equal (ie...same track, same driver skill, etc), and talking stock to stock, a 2002-2004 Z06 is about 5 tenths and 3-4 mph quicker than a 03/04 Cobra. That's an average based on observations.

Once the mods start, all bets are off, and most 03/04 Cobra's close the gab in a BIG hurry, simply because it is so easy to gain big power with (any) a forced induction car.

I've never seen a stock Cobra run. But I have seen a lightly modded one in mid-high 12's.

BTW: Jon, what happened to your Altima?




Turned it back in. It was a lease so it wasn't a big deal. I got tired of spending almost 1k dollars/month in car payment/insurance...




Jon

it's just a very simple matter of one car weighing about 1k lbs less (Vette)

Jon

More like 500 lbs. less.

From my previous post:

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Posts: 306 Re: GMHTP runs an 11.97 at 118.8 in a bone stock '04 Z06!

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99 SVT Cobra
NMRA Factory Stock National Record Holder - 11.43 @ 117 mph (3340 lbs)
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Sounds like a close race to me!

TankII

Eeecks! I run in NMRA Factory Stock, but my car is hardly "stock, from the factory". It uses unported stock heads (with a good valve job), unported stock intake, and stock (not reground) cams. However, it has been rebuilt (.020 w/flattop pistons...mandated by rules), and I run shorty headers, off-road exhaust, gears, etc.

Please don't think that any Cobra can run 11.99 from the factory (ie 100% bone stock) - that includes the 03/04.

I have an old aggie company compatriot I've know many years up here in the Denver area who bought a brand spankin' new '03 SVT vert last year. We both came up here in '96 from Austin with our jobs. Anyway, he makes some brag of walking off from Z06's up here. Read some where that the SVT verts weight is a portly 3700lbs. Guess up here (5280ft.-ish elev.) a run from a dig between an SVT vert and a Z06 would be somewhere from somewhat even to a slight edge in favor of the SVT keeping in mind the vert's pork and running closer to if not at full power vs the Z06's much lighter weight but altitude degraded power. I have fun warning him that down in his Dallas home country he'll likely get his butt handed to him by Z06's, leastwise while he is stock.

--James :cool:

Some guy on the corral ran a 12.3 bone stock,read it off there a while back,dont remember who he was though...Maybe Bob knows who im talkin about

Some guy on the corral ran a 12.3 bone stock,read it off there a while back,dont remember who he was though...Maybe Bob knows who im talkin about


and some guy ran a 12.9 in his auto ls1 stock i read on ls1.com.maybe bob knows him too. :lol:

dont believe everything you read.

Never said I believed it, or didnt...The guys a long time member on the corral, and so is Bob, he frequents alot of tracks and knows most of the corral members just thought he could verify it....Again, stock times for this car are errelevant, like snorman was saying its hard to keep these cars stock, simple mods on this car put it out of reach of most,including LS1's and w/ a few mods z06's. These cars are knocking off heads/cam LS1's convincingly w/ bolt ons.

Its been a long time since I been here, but this question got my attention. Being in the SVT community I have seen probably over 1,000 runs of 03/04 Cobras, and this is my observation: Stock with a half decent driver on stock Goodyear F1's 13.8 to 14.4 105-110. Get a good catback 13.0-13.8 108-115, Change the supercharger pulley, retune (usually a predator flash tuner) catback, and drag radials 11.8-12 120. Replace the roots with a screw supercharger(up to 16 lb boost) , change the exaust, retune, slicks 10's easy. And then there are a few nutcases that have the Whipple superchargers running 20 lbs. of boost with NO2 <10.

Never said I believed it, or didnt...The guys a long time member on the corral, and so is Bob, he frequents alot of tracks and knows most of the corral members just thought he could verify it....Again, stock times for this car are errelevant, like snorman was saying its hard to keep these cars stock, simple mods on this car put it out of reach of most,including LS1's and w/ a few mods z06's. These cars are knocking off heads/cam LS1's convincingly w/ bolt ons.



knocking off ls1s convincingly?where do you get this **** from?



of course theres no cheap mods for ls1s to even things up.


lets see if you can guess what it is. ;)


you become more and more FOS all the time.

Antz97ZNJ....I agree with you. However, the person that posted the original question is not interested in cars that run faster than he wishes to have proven. He wants to hear about cars that run whatever ET it is he thinks they should run.

No big deal to me. :)

i witnessed a new cobra, i'm assuming it was an 04 because it had new dealer plates, run 13.7 @ 103-104. it was a girl driving. and on a "street night" (no track prep). this was at IRP.

i've also seen zo6s run mid 13s. (infact i beat a zo6 at the track, he ran 13.7, i ran 13.2.....it was obvious he didn't know what he was doing, he staged with his rear wheels) i also saw a C5 run 15.2(also female driver). it could be the track, but i wasn't impressed with the 13.7 at all.

[QUOTE=edz]Stock with a half decent driver on stock Goodyear F1's 13.8 to 14.4 105-110. Get a good catback 13.0-13.8 108-115, QUOTE]

Sorry, a cat back is not going to improve a Cobras 1/4 mile on average by 7 tenths and 4 mph.

[QUOTE=edz]Stock with a half decent driver on stock Goodyear F1's 13.8 to 14.4 105-110. Get a good catback 13.0-13.8 108-115, QUOTE]

Sorry, a cat back is not going to improve a Cobras 1/4 mile on average by 7 tenths and 4 mph.

according to antz it will. :rotfl:


also H/C ls1s seem to lose power. :lol:


sorry,its just to EZ. :cool:

Its been a long time since I been here, but this question got my attention. Being in the SVT community I have seen probably over 1,000 runs of 03/04 Cobras, and this is my observation: Stock with a half decent driver on stock Goodyear F1's 13.8 to 14.4 105-110. Get a good catback 13.0-13.8 108-115, Change the supercharger pulley, retune (usually a predator flash tuner) catback, and drag radials 11.8-12 120. Replace the roots with a screw supercharger(up to 16 lb boost) , change the exaust, retune, slicks 10's easy. And then there are a few nutcases that have the Whipple superchargers running 20 lbs. of boost with NO2 <10.Sorry...but are you really the Director of the S. Florida SVTOA passing along bad info like this?
13.8-14.4? Is this a joke, or in 100*/100% humidity weather. I went 12.7@111 in 71*/94% air. And a catback isn't worth 3-5mph. Some of th other info is fairly accurate, but even a half decent driver should get one into the 12's. You've totally discounted one of the best power producing mods for fairly stock cars...a good CAI. A K&N FIPK is good for 20-25rwhp on a bone stock car.
S.

Its been a long time since I been here, but this question got my attention. Being in the SVT community I have seen probably over 1,000 runs of 03/04 Cobras, and this is my observation: Stock with a half decent driver on stock Goodyear F1's 13.8 to 14.4 105-110. Get a good catback 13.0-13.8 108-115, Change the supercharger pulley, retune (usually a predator flash tuner) catback, and drag radials 11.8-12 120. Replace the roots with a screw supercharger(up to 16 lb boost) , change the exaust, retune, slicks 10's easy. And then there are a few nutcases that have the Whipple superchargers running 20 lbs. of boost with NO2 <10.


I am no mustang guy, but 13.8-14.4 with a decent driver?? Other then the MPH, those sound like 99-up GT slips, or horrible Mach 1 times. Cobra's around here are cutting 13.0-13.4's bone stock. Like i said i am no mustang guy, but you would have to be a literally horrible driver to run a 14.4 in one of these cars. Hell i think you could cut a 14.4 on top of mount everest with it being 100 degrees. Gotta give credit where it is due, they will run.

I would just like to say to UltimateOrangeSS, I got a buddy with a 2002 Z28 Auto, it has 3.23 gears, fully loaded. With nothing more than a K&N Air Filter it ran 12.9@108.xx, now don't get me wrong, our track is at sealevel, and this was in late November or early December and the DA was below 0, but it did happen.

I would just like to say to UltimateOrangeSS, I got a buddy with a 2002 Z28 Auto, it has 3.23 gears, fully loaded. With nothing more than a K&N Air Filter it ran 12.9@108.xx, now don't get me wrong, our track is at sealevel, and this was in late November or early December and the DA was below 0, but it did happen.



IF he did really run that thats impressive.



my statement was meant to make a point. :cool:




people claim alot of things online thats not always accurate.

Sorry...but are you really the Director of the S. Florida SVTOA passing along bad info like this?
13.8-14.4? Is this a joke, or in 100*/100% humidity weather. I went 12.7@111 in 71*/94% air. And a catback isn't worth 3-5mph. Some of th other info is fairly accurate, but even a half decent driver should get one into the 12's. You've totally discounted one of the best power producing mods for fairly stock cars...a good CAI. A K&N FIPK is good for 20-25rwhp on a bone stock car.
S.

Yes I am check your Enthusiast for this month. Ed Zerbe South Florida Director. Like I said in the post, its only my observation, maybe the guys that mod the cars are a little more aggressive drivers to get the times with just minor mods. I did not do an entire dissertation on the subject because the question was how fast a stock Cobra is. At the Moroso Motor Sports Park, in Jupiter Fla. Those times are pretty accurate that I quoted. Its usually >90 >90% at sea level, and the track is not the best in the world, but its the only one that we have.

Like I said in the post, its only my observation, maybe the guys that mod the cars are a little more aggressive drivers to get the times with just minor mods. I did not do an entire dissertation on the subject because the question was how fast a stock Cobra is. At the Moroso Motor Sports Park, in Jupiter Fla. Those times are pretty accurate that I quoted. Its usually >90 >90% at sea level, and the track is not the best in the world, but its the only one that we have.I'm not sure how those can be accurate times. Even with 105mph, a decently driven anything should run ~13.5's. I'm not sure what kind of track only yields 13.8-14.4's with 105-110mph trap speeds. :confused:
No offense intended.
Those may be your observations, but they are in no way representative of what '03/'04 Cobras run.
S.

knocking off ls1s convincingly?where do you get this **** from?



of course theres no cheap mods for ls1s to even things up.


lets see if you can guess what it is. ;)


you become more and more FOS all the time.No, its not that, you still think that the LS1 is gods gift to the street, we use to argue this for hours and hours, even after you got stomped by a stock 01 Cobra on 37 that didnt change anything :D.... well the LS2 is on its way, and the Ls1 will soon be put on the backburner right along side the "salty" LT1...Nowadays there having a very hard time handleing the new Cobras, havent you been watching the countless videos of the new cobras stomping modded LS1's / z06's?, there all over LS1.com guess not...and like I said before I dont remember any LS1's running mid 11's w/ a few measily inexpensive bolt ons(like the 03/04 Cobra does)...Add up what your average heads cam LS1 puts down and Ill show you a new cobra w/ FAR less mods putting out more.

No, its not that, you still think that the LS1 is gods gift to the street, we use to argue this for hours and hours, even after you got stomped by a stock 01 Cobra on 37 that didnt change anything :D.... well the LS2 is on its way, and the Ls1 will soon be put on the backburner right along side the "salty" LT1...Nowadays there having a very hard time handleing the new Cobras, havent you been watching the countless videos of the new cobras stomping modded LS1's / z06's?, there all over LS1.com guess not...and like I said before I dont remember any LS1's running mid 11's w/ a few measily inexpensive bolt ons(like the 03/04 Cobra does)...Add up what your average heads cam LS1 puts down and Ill show you a new cobra w/ FAR less mods putting out more.

Antz is right, here. The '03 Cobra will put out more power, more reliably with less $$ than the LS1, once both cars are bought. The only trouble is a used LS1 will go for as little as $8,000-10,000 and the '03 Cobra is worth about $20,000+. So bang for the buck the LS1 still wins.

Just out of curiosity, what "cheap,measley" mods put a cobra into the "mid 11's" (i am assuming you mean 11.3-11.6 by mid 11's). I honestly dont know what the guy around here that ran the 13.0 in his would have to do to cut his 1/4 by one and a half seconds, cheap, so i would like to inform him.

Just out of curiosity, what "cheap,measley" mods put a cobra into the "mid 11's" (i am assuming you mean 11.3-11.6 by mid 11's). I honestly dont know what the guy around here that ran the 13.0 in his would have to do to cut his 1/4 by one and a half seconds, cheap, so i would like to inform him.Shop that dyno'd my car (Crazy Horse Racing) has a package. It's a pulley, C&L MAF w/CAI and a dyno tune...that's it. It's $1500 and will yield ~450-470rwhp on pump gas, increase mileage by 1-2 mpg (these cars are pig rich from the factory) and put a well driven '03/'04 deep into the 11's at over 120mph. This is through the stock catback. The owner of the shop has a Sonic Blue '03 with this setup. It made over 460rwhp and ran 11.7@121mph on a set of 26/11.5-16 ET Streets. His car was actually in a MM&FF Shootout for '03 Cobras last year (Chris Winter).
Breaking it down, you can get a pulley (even a Reichard Racing Ultragrip) for about $100-120. The C&L is around $350-400 and comes with an integrated CAI. I personally think that "package" is a bit overpriced, as over half of it is tuning costs.
Bang for the buck...the '03/'04 has the LS1 beat hands down. Comparing a 5 or 6 year old ****box to a new Cobra isn't valid, IMO.
S.

Bang for the buck...the '03/'04 has the LS1 beat hands down. Comparing a 5 or 6 year old ****box to a new Cobra isn't valid, IMO.
S.

You could compare an '02 Z28 with 30,000 miles to an '03 Cobra with 30,000 miles. They could be in nearly identical condition and the Z would cost thousands less. You can do a lot to an LS1 for thousands of dollars. The best bang for the buck is always an old ragged out built 5.0 Stang or '70s Nova with a big block, if you don't mind driving a POS and going fast is your ONLY priority.

Shop that dyno'd my car (Crazy Horse Racing) has a package. It's a pulley, C&L MAF w/CAI and a dyno tune...that's it. It's $1500 and will yield ~450-470rwhp on pump gas, increase mileage by 1-2 mpg (these cars are pig rich from the factory) and put a well driven '03/'04 deep into the 11's at over 120mph. This is through the stock catback. The owner of the shop has a Sonic Blue '03 with this setup. It made over 460rwhp and ran 11.7@121mph on a set of 26/11.5-16 ET Streets. His car was actually in a MM&FF Shootout for '03 Cobras last year (Chris Winter).

So you are telling me, a pulley, CAI, and tune will give you 110 RWHP!!!! LMFAO!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ok, thats great, but like steve y said....go ahead and pay 25-40K for an 03-04.
2000 Z28
16K miles
loaded
11,500 bucks
300 RWHP

2003 Cobra
7K miles
loaded
27K bucks
360 RWHP
hmmm....60 HP for 15K dollars LOL. What were you saying about bang for the buck? .3-.7 tenths in a 1/4 mile/ and 4-8 MPH....what were you saying about bang for the buck? I think you underestimate the LS1, and fail to realize that these cars on average are only 30-40RWHP behind the Cobra Stock for Stock. Lid, and full exhaust and you are even up. 5-6 year old ****box? Interesting. I believe they still make a "corvette" which still has these engines. I also believe the "Z06" model of the "corvette" will utterly stomp your precious Cobra into the ground. As a matter of fact your buddies magical 110RWHP package and his 11.7 1/4 is just barely going to edge out a "bone stock" Z06. Now hows that for bang for the buck. I can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K....which will whip your cobra's ass, handle better, stop better, look better, and just all out beat the cobra in every aspect. So why dont we stick to the original post of what the fastest stock cobra is. I know the newer cobra's run very well, but making an idiotic statement about bang for the buck is retarded.

So you are telling me, a pulley, CAI, and tune will give you 110 RWHP!!!! LMFAO!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ok, thats great, but like steve y said....go ahead and pay 25-40K for an 03-04.
2000 Z28
16K miles
loaded
11,500 bucks
300 RWHP

2003 Cobra
7K miles
loaded
27K bucks
360 RWHP
hmmm....60 HP for 15K dollars LOL. What were you saying about bang for the buck? .3-.7 tenths in a 1/4 mile/ and 4-8 MPH....what were you saying about bang for the buck? I think you underestimate the LS1, and fail to realize that these cars on average are only 30-40RWHP behind the Cobra Stock for Stock. Lid, and full exhaust and you are even up. 5-6 year old ****box? Interesting. I believe they still make a "corvette" which still has these engines. I also believe the "Z06" model of the "corvette" will utterly stomp your precious Cobra into the ground. As a matter of fact your buddies magical 110RWHP package and his 11.7 1/4 is just barely going to edge out a "bone stock" Z06. Now hows that for bang for the buck. I can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K....which will whip your cobra's ass, handle better, stop better, look better, and just all out beat the cobra in every aspect. So why dont we stick to the original post of what the fastest stock cobra is. I know the newer cobra's run very well, but making an idiotic statement about bang for the buck is retarded.

First off your comparing apples and oranges here...
Your comparing a $35K Mustang to a $45 ~ 50K+ Corvette.
Using your theory on difference in price being money spent for mods....
Well you get the picture
It isn't that hard to get an 03 - 04 Cobra past the 450+ RWHP Mark.

I did a quick check on Kelly Blue Book:
http://kbb.com

Used 02 Z06 Pricing isn't below the cost of a NEW Cobra...
This was entering NO Options, 38,000 miles, and Rating the car as Excellent.
Private Party Price: $34,910
Dealer Price: $38,900

The best bang for the buck is always an old ragged out built 5.0 Stang or '70s Nova with a big block, if you don't mind driving a POS and going fast is your ONLY priority.

:bow: True.

First off your comparing apples and oranges here...
Your comparing a $35K Mustang to a $45 ~ 50K+ Corvette.
Using your theory on difference in price being money spent for mods....
Well you get the picture

Actually, you are right. I am comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing a 2002 Corvette Z06, 32K loaded for 27 thousand dollars to a new cobra. Since the cobra costs more, i am comparing apples to oranges.

I can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K....which will whip your cobra's ass, handle better, stop better, look better, and just all out beat the cobra in every aspect.
Notice i did not say that "kelly blue book for a Z06 is 27K" i said "i can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K." The car is sitting at a dealership about 15 miles from me.
As a matter of fact, i was comparing the camaro to the cobra because some idiot was talking about bang for the buck mods. I brought the corvettes into my post because that same idiot said Bang for the buck...the '03/'04 has the LS1 beat hands down. Comparing a 5 or 6 year old ****box to a new Cobra isn't valid, IMO. So since the 5-6 year old ****box camaro/firebird arent around anymore, we have to compare to the vette. Thank You, goodnight

So you are telling me, a pulley, CAI, and tune will give you 110 RWHP!!!! LMFAO!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
No, he's telling you that it will get you about 90 RWHP more. Whether you believe it or not is quite irrelevant.

Is it safe to assume that your "disbelief" is based on actual observation, or are you an internet racer?

Ok, thats great, but like steve y said....go ahead and pay 25-40K for an 03-04.
Do you really want to go there?

2000 Z28
16K miles
loaded
11,500 bucks
300 RWHP

2003 Cobra
7K miles
loaded
27K bucks
360 RWHP
hmmm....60 HP for 15K dollars LOL.
This is ricer math. You're comparing two significantly different year cars with each other, then coming to a conclusion based on HP per dollar. Interesting, but it doesn't fly with most intelligent folk.

What were you saying about bang for the buck?
Subjective. There is no doubt at all that LS1 F-body is a great "bang for the buck", and if you want a used (or used up) LS1 F-body, you can get them fairly cheap.

.3-.7 tenths in a 1/4 mile/ and 4-8 MPH....what were you saying about bang for the buck?
Half a second and 6 mph (average of your numbers) is an eternity in drag racing. He doesn't have to say anything.

I think you underestimate the LS1
I think you over-estimate your knowledge. Most of us here are quite aware of what the LS1 is capable of. Many of us have even owned them (including myself).

and fail to realize that these cars on average are only 30-40RWHP behind the Cobra Stock for Stock.
See statement above.

Assuming ignorance is a recipe for getting your arguement shot to hell. And personally, I think the average is closer to 50-60 RWHP behind, but its really irrelevant.

Lid, and full exhaust and you are even up.
Those mods add up to 50 RWHP? Yet 5 lbs of boost, a meter, a tune, and a CAI can't add up to 90 RWHP?

Mmmmkay.

5-6 year old ****box? Interesting. I believe they still make a "corvette" which still has these engines.
So what? GM trucks have the same basic engine to. And? Your point?

I also believe the "Z06" model of the "corvette" will utterly stomp your precious Cobra into the ground.
The Z06 is an awesome car. Damn near bought one this past week. It is in a whole nuther class, IMHO. I'm sorry that it is all you have for your "defense" though.

As a matter of fact your buddies magical 110RWHP package and his 11.7 1/4 is just barely going to edge out a "bone stock" Z06.
The vast majority of Z06 drivers will never get close to the 11s in bone stock condition. I'm well aware of folks like J-Rod that have gone that quick - but they are very much the exception, not the rule.

Regardless, stock to stock, a Z06 will indeed outrun, outhandle, and outbrake a Cobra - as it should, for a car that is priced some $16 more. Start the mods, and all bets are off.

Now hows that for bang for the buck.
Depends on how big the buck is.

I can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K
Remember my comment above about almost buying a Z06 last week? The overwhelming vast majority of 2002 Z06s are in the $35k range, give or take a grand or two. There are a few somewhat cheaper, and some more expensive. $27k - at a dealer no less - sounds like a car with serious problems.

which will whip your cobra's ass, handle better, stop better, look better, and just all out beat the cobra in every aspect.
You own one of these? Or are you just dreaming about it? It sounds like your using a car that you don't own to defend a position you took for a car you do own.

Ricer logic. Sorry.

So why dont we stick to the original post of what the fastest stock cobra is. I know the newer cobra's run very well, but making an idiotic statement about bang for the buck is retarded.
Retarded indeed. So tell us....what is the fastest stock Cobra?

Actually, you are right. I am comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing a 2002 Corvette Z06, 32K loaded for 27 thousand dollars to a new cobra. Since the cobra costs more, i am comparing apples to oranges.
See above about pricing.

So, if you go to RK Chevrolet here in Va Beach, and look at the two brand new 2004 Z06s they have on the lot, you will find that they sticker for $62k - they are marked up $10k. You can then walk next door to Beach Ford, and see the brand-new 2004 Cobra on the lot for an MSRP (no mark-up) of $36k.

Would you like to do "bang for buck" then? Would that not be just as valid a comparison as yours? After all, I'm using actual, verifiable numbers - nothing pulled out of my ass or off the internet. Call Beach and RK if you want to verify.

Stupid arguement.

Notice i did not say that "kelly blue book for a Z06 is 27K" i said "i can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K." The car is sitting at a dealership about 15 miles from me.

Please post the dealership. I'd like to look into this car. Thanks.

As a matter of fact, i was comparing the camaro to the cobra because some idiot was talking about bang for the buck mods.
So you obliged him and brought yourself down to the "idiot" level? Perhaps one of you is not quite the idiot the other assumes?

Boy I could have fun with that one, but I'll digress.

So since the 5-6 year old ****box camaro/firebird arent around anymore, we have to compare to the vette.
I would modify that sentence to say that YOU have to compare it to the vette, because that's all you have to make yourself feel better.

Too bad.

Thank You, goodnight
Likewise, goodday.

If your #1 purpose is to go very quick in a straight line, and want a new or relatively new car, the Cobra is the way to go. Since right from the factory it has a supercharger and forged internals, then yes, a PULLEY is all it takes to go from very fast to insanely fast.

What he said.

As a matter of fact, i was comparing the camaro to the cobra because some idiot was talking about bang for the buck mods.

On the subject of Camaro vs. Cobra:
Still Bang for the buck mods the 03 ~ 04 Cobra has the LS1 beat. IMHO.
Look at the signiture, this isn't because I own a Mustang and am trying to flame..... I have owned Many Camaros & Firebirds, but I can give :bow: to car that deserves it....

The Cobra has a blower from the factory, forged internals, and can handle a good amount of punishment.
Like stated before, BOLT ON Cobras are making some serious power.

On a side note: I am interested to see what happens with the 03 ~ 04 Cobras when people start getting into the heads and swapping cams, etc.
That is going to get interesting :bow:

Actually, you are right. I am comparing apples to oranges. I am comparing a 2002 Corvette Z06, 32K loaded for 27 thousand dollars to a new cobra. Since the cobra costs more, i am comparing apples to oranges.

I am not sure you understood what I was getting at there.
Even if a local dealer of yours has a Z06 for 27K, that price doesn't reflect the Market. And also you're still comparing a car that was $55K new to one that is $35K New.

I guess ignorance is bliss...

Notice i did not say that "kelly blue book for a Z06 is 27K" i said "i can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K." The car is sitting at a dealership about 15 miles from me.


Using deductive reasoning and some logic, don't you find it a bit strange that the 02 ZO6 is only $27K? You say it has 32K miles and in my book, that is still a baby. If I was a betting man, I would say that something is not kosher with your above mentioned Corvette. Numerous possibilities come to my mind. The first is that this machine has seen some extremely hard miles and has been through its paces. The second possibility is that this vehicle has a very high rate of depreciation that is unique for this two year old top of the line Corvette.

As you can see by my sig, I own neither a Corvette, Z28 or a Cobra and have no bias one way or the other. What I do have a problem with is when people will not give credit where it is due. I also have a pet peeve when someone will try and discredit another vehicle based on flawed logic and "facts" that are untrue. How some people try and compare a 3yr old vehicle to a brand new vehicle, in terms of bang for the buck, is beyond me. Some people are just so dead set in their ways that no matter what facts are presented, they will still see only what they want to.

Black00SS said "Notice i did not say that "kelly blue book for a Z06 is 27K" i said "i can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K." The car is sitting at a dealership about 15 miles from me.

That has to be the killer deal of the year, or there's something WRONG with that car. The following is a search of Autotrader for 2002 Corvettes, any price, any distance from my location.

I did a quick look and the lowest price that I saw for a Z06 was $32K, but most seemed to be in the $36K range.

http://snipurl.com/8b12

Notice i did not say that "kelly blue book for a Z06 is 27K" i said "i can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K." The car is sitting at a dealership about 15 miles from me.


What is the name, phone #, and a link to the dealership? We will check on your story. If you do not respond to this you are the biggest lying sac of chickensh*t on the board! :eek:

No, its not that, you still think that the LS1 is gods gift to the street, we use to argue this for hours and hours, even after you got stomped by a stock 01 Cobra on 37 that didnt change anything :D.... well the LS2 is on its way, and the Ls1 will soon be put on the backburner right along side the "salty" LT1...Nowadays there having a very hard time handleing the new Cobras, havent you been watching the countless videos of the new cobras stomping modded LS1's / z06's?, there all over LS1.com guess not...and like I said before I dont remember any LS1's running mid 11's w/ a few measily inexpensive bolt ons(like the 03/04 Cobra does)...Add up what your average heads cam LS1 puts down and Ill show you a new cobra w/ FAR less mods putting out more.


as usual youre an idiot.of course you knew for a fact that car was stock?and failed to leave out the last race.


funny how you have selective viewing of videos where ive seen plenty of videos where lightly modded ls1 have stomped modded 03 cobras.


since you live in an internet fantasy land where everything you want to believe is true when its just BS.

i know of two people with H/C ls1s and z06s that will destroy most bolt on cobras on MOTOR.since you choose to get your info from magazines and from behind a keyboard its difficult for you to grasp.

and you still have no clue what i was talking about a cheap mod that can make ls1s easily run better than these unbeatable cobras.

fact is all you have is magazine and internet racing and lies.


go back to looking at your best of 14.9 with your stock LT1 and go away. :lol:


when you get something to line up against me let me know.until then STFU.


i have timeslips to prove what i run.only thing you run is your fingers and mouth. :rotfl:

grow up.

N/a > Fi

N/a > Fi
Why? We are all entitled to our opinions, but I'd like to hear what the basis is for this statement.

Thanks.

Because FI is unnatural. I'd much rather take a N/A engine over a FI ANY day. But, it's definitely fun to experiment with FI and V8s. Lingenfelter 427 TT, Hennessey Viper 1000TT, etc. Those are like freaks of nature. Putting a supercharger on a Cobra DEFINITELY takes away some its "awe" for me. I will not deny that they are very fast. I just prefer N/A over FI. Anyway, no big deal.

Because FI is unnatural. I'd much rather take a N/A engine over a FI ANY day.
We all have our preferences, and if N/A is yours, that's ok (it is mine too). However, the idea that it is "unnatural" just doesn't make sense. Done correctly, FI is generally superior to N/A in most street applications.

Done correctly, FI is generally superior to N/A in most street applications.

so true. the "unnatural" clause doesn't make sense to me either!

So you are telling me, a pulley, CAI, and tune will give you 110 RWHP!!!! LMFAO!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:Maybe you're just ignorant...pulley/CAI and tune are good for 450+rwhp depending on pulley size and the tune. Believe it or deny it moron, most enthusiasts have known this fact for over a year. :rolleyes:
Ok, thats great, but like steve y said....go ahead and pay 25-40K for an 03-04.
2000 Z28
16K miles
loaded
11,500 bucks
300 RWHP

2003 Cobra
7K miles
loaded
27K bucks
360 RWHP
hmmm....60 HP for 15K dollars LOL. What were you saying about bang for the buck? .3-.7 tenths in a 1/4 mile/ and 4-8 MPH....what were you saying about bang for the buck? Good comparison. A 4 year old, ragged out Z that appears to be underpriced by a few thousand compared to an '03 that is priced significantly above current market. I bought my car brand new for $28.6.
I think you underestimate the LS1, and fail to realize that these cars on average are only 30-40RWHP behind the Cobra Stock for Stock. Lid, and full exhaust and you are even up.Bullsh*t. I knew about LS1's seven years ago. And they're, on average, more like 60-70rwhp behind '03/'04 Cobras for the '98-'00 cars and 50-60rwhp behind for the '01-'02 cars. Plenty of LS1's (M6's) dyno in the 280-290rwhp range...interesting, that would be 70-80rwhp behind my bone stock numbers with 1k on the clock.
5-6 year old ****box? Interesting.Yup...that's what you'll get for the $8k-10k number Steve Y threw out there. A high mileage, ragged out sh*tbox.
I believe they still make a "corvette" which still has these engines. I also believe the "Z06" model of the "corvette" will utterly stomp your precious Cobra into the ground.Who is talking about 'Vettes? Oh...that's right...you have to in order to support your argument. BTW...that Z06 will cost more used than a Cobra new (even assuming there is no discount off MSRP for the Cobra). BTW...do you own one of these Z06's? Same night, same track, I've run 2-3 tenths quicker than a stock '02/'03 Z06. Talked to the owner at length. He was impressed, you may not be. Makes no difference to me.
As a matter of fact your buddies magical 110RWHP package and his 11.7 1/4 is just barely going to edge out a "bone stock" Z06. Now hows that for bang for the buck.Oh yeah? Because we all know that every "bone stock" Z06 runs 11.7's. :lol: :thumb: About two have. "Magical"? That's funny. Get a clue, Einstein.
I can pick up an 02 Z06 for 27K....which will whip your cobra's ass, handle better, stop better, look better, and just all out beat the cobra in every aspect.Then go buy it and stop telling lies on the internet. As it stands, I'll pull that SS with ease in my stock '03. BTW...that purpose built Z06 has no backseat...something that I need and want in my car. :Owned:
So why dont we stick to the original post of what the fastest stock cobra is. I know the newer cobra's run very well, but making an idiotic statement about bang for the buck is retarded.Yeah...why don't we. You asked the f*cking question, dip****. Remember?
BlackSLOW00SS asked...
Just out of curiosity, what "cheap,measley" mods put a cobra into the "mid 11's" (i am assuming you mean 11.3-11.6 by mid 11's). I honestly dont know what the guy around here that ran the 13.0 in his would have to do to cut his 1/4 by one and a half seconds, cheap, so i would like to inform him.Let me guess...it was rhetorical if you didn't get the answer you liked?
There's an idiot here, and it's you with your mid-13 second rocket. :lol:
S.

As a matter of fact, i was comparing the camaro to the cobra because some idiot was talking about bang for the buck mods. I brought the corvettes into my post because that same idiot said So since the 5-6 year old ****box camaro/firebird arent around anymore, we have to compare to the vette. Thank You, goodnightIdiot? Of my five cars, three of them will bust the **** out of that pig you're driving. Who's the idiot?
Maybe racing my wife's '03 Z71 Suburban would be a better match for you.
S.

Speaking of discounts....Crossroads Ford (http://www.crossroadsford.com/) in Raleigh, NC is discounting new 2004 Cobras $7000 off MSRP. That puts them at $28,895 - $29,065. They have 5 of them (plus 3 Verts).

Speaking of discounts....Crossroads Ford (http://www.crossroadsford.com/) in Raleigh, NC is discounting new 2004 Cobras $7000 off MSRP. That puts them at $28,895 - $29,065. They have 5 of them (plus 3 Verts).That's worth the price of a one-way plane ticket.
BTW...here (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117157) is a 470rwhp '03 with 10k miles for $25k. Amazingly, it only has four mods...a CAI, catback, pulley and tune (imagine that!). Guess he's lying about that dyno number.:lol:
S.

Here (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=117696) you go, BlackSLOW00SS.
611rwhp/562rwtq, 10.7k miles...asking $34k.
Sounds like a pretty good bang for the buck to me. :D
S.

I'm still trying to understand why everyone talks rwhp when comparing these different cars. I would talk more about trap speed to get a better idea of what they run.

It seems to take a lot more hp for the 03/04 to run the same trap speeds compared to the fbodies.

For comparison, Sean you run 112 mph with 364rwhp. My WS6 ran 109.5 mph stock with no where near that amount of rwhp. Thats a difference of 2.5mph but probably 60rwhp.

???

I'm still trying to understand why everyone talks rwhp when comparing these different cars. I would talk more about trap speed to get a better idea of what they run.

It seems to take a lot more hp for the 03/04 to run the same trap speeds compared to the fbodies.

For comparison, Sean you run 112 mph with 364rwhp. My WS6 ran 109.5 mph stock with no where near that amount of rwhp. Thats a difference of 2.5mph but probably 60rwhp.

???
Jess,
I agree to an extent, but I also think the '03's are more susceptible to driver ability that many other cars. They can be tricky to drive, no question. I think that's why you see times that are all over the place.
Also, you can't compare our times that simply. We need to run same day, same track for a more valid comparison. I'm not sure if you ran at Cecil, but that's a fast track (especially on Saturday mornings ;) ). I'd bet same day/same track you'd see a 4-5mph difference.
109.5mph is on the high side of what LS1 F-bodies run, while my trap speed is about 2mph slow than the quickest stock '03/'04's for which I've seen times.
Let's hit Atco this fall, or maybe I can get down to Cecil to catch up with some of the Md. guys (Tim, Mike, Tyler, etc.).
S.

What is the name, phone #, and a link to the dealership? We will check on your story. If you do not respond to this you are the biggest lying sac of chickensh*t on the board! :eek:

See no response. Just another lying internet troll. Let's all boycott him.

Sounds good Sean, I need to get back to the track. I talked to Tim about that when I was down at his house and we definately need to do another track day.

Sounds good Sean, I need to get back to the track. I talked to Tim about that when I was down at his house and we definately need to do another track day.Tim's making some power now...let's see how he gets down the track. ;)
Where do you usually race...Cecil?
S.

Driver is a real big part of the equation.

These magazines get the cars and they have a day or so to work with them. They may make 5 trips down the dragstrip and take the best time. Well folks, it takes a lot more than a few trips to get adjusted to a car, especially when you're trying to get the best times from it on radial tires. Take a guy who's already been through that learning curve and he's going to cut better 1/4 mile and 60' times.

I've demonstrated this point quite a few times with our local Corvette club. Many of the guys in the club own Z06's. They take them to the track and make a few runs. Times can range from low 13's to mid twelves for guys who've only made a few passes. These cars can be tricky to drive as well. I can, and have, driven the same cars to very low 12's, high 11's. Nothing more than a "driver mod". :)

My first passes with my Z06 were in the mid twelves. I now run high 11's with nothing more than experience.

The roots/lysholm screw supercharged cars are very tricky beasts to drive. I can understand the learning curve and the wide variance in 1/4 mile times. Gotta take those magazine results with a grain of salt.

-Mindgame

The roots/lysholm screw supercharged cars are very tricky beasts to drive. I can understand the learning curve and the wide variance in 1/4 mile times. Gotta take those magazine results with a grain of salt.
-MindgameI agree. These cars rev quick, and will tap the limiter and hiccup if you're not on your game on the 1-2 and 2-3. Also, a boosted car needs to stay in boost as much as possible. Add in the low profile, hard radials and it gets more difficult.
S.

Speaking of discounts....Crossroads Ford (http://www.crossroadsford.com/) in Raleigh, NC is discounting new 2004 Cobras $7000 off MSRP. That puts them at $28,895 - $29,065. They have 5 of them (plus 3 Verts).

That's the same place that was offering new GT's when I left North Carolina in 2001 for $15,995. They seem to have the best deals on Ford that I have seen.

We all have our preferences, and if N/A is yours, that's ok (it is mine too). However, the idea that it is "unnatural" just doesn't make sense. Done correctly, FI is generally superior to N/A in most street applications.

I don't know what's not to understand. N/A is done under "natural" atmospheric pressure. FI obviously adds x psi to the intake.

I don't know what's not to understand. N/A is done under "natural" atmospheric pressure. FI obviously adds x psi to the intake.Wow. What a brilliant statement. It's good to know somebody has an understanding of forced induction. :lol:
BTW...Cosby had a twin turbo Mustang a few years ago. :lol:
S.

Wow. What a brilliant statement. It's good to know somebody has an understanding of forced induction. :lol:
BTW...Cosby had a twin turbo Mustang a few years ago. :lol:
S.

Ass, if you see, I was explaining my "unnatural" statement. Duh. :rolleyes:

Antz is right, here. The '03 Cobra will put out more power, more reliably with less $$ than the LS1, once both cars are bought. The only trouble is a used LS1 will go for as little as $8,000-10,000 and the '03 Cobra is worth about $20,000+. So bang for the buck the LS1 still wins.


power is one thing.ET is another.as i mentioned to antz theres a cheap mod that adds big power to ls1s to help even things up. ;)

I don't know what's not to understand. N/A is done under "natural" atmospheric pressure. FI obviously adds x psi to the intake.

Uncle.

...

Name of the dealership is family express, car is gone as of today. Up your ass Steve Y, back to the mop bucket you sack of ****.

As far as bang for the buck goes, i have 13.5K in my mid thirteen second turd, why dont you let me get 18 grand into it (still 10 thousand less then you have in your unbeatable cobra) then talk your ****.

While we are on the subject of my "mid thirteen second turd", i will guarantee that you cant run a 12.6 at the track i run at. There is a guy up here with an 04 bone stock, and i have seen him make at least 30 passes, and the absolute best he can muster is a 13.0 109-110 range, and he is cutting an occassional 1.9 60' on streets. I dont give a **** what you think about me or my car, its paid off, and with about 1000 bucks i will run circles around you and every other stock cobra i find. Pull on me at any speed? Lets go from a 100MPH roll, and see you not pull ****

Here you go, BlackSLOW00SS.
611rwhp/562rwtq, 10.7k miles...asking $34k.
Sounds like a pretty good bang for the buck to me.
S.

Your point is what? I can go buy a (insert any RWD platform here), dump 10 grand into the motor, and another 5 into the chassis, and only have half of you you have in that cobra, and have the same if not more power then that. So i still miss your point.

Whatever though, think what you want, i am not trying to change the way you think. If you like the cobra's thats fine, i like the f-bodies, and you are the one who started this calling them ****boxes. My original post in this thread was actually DEFENDING the cobra's if you read. So knock f-bodies all you want, and call my car a turd all you want, as long as it makes you feel better.

As far as bang for the buck goes, i have 13.5K in my mid thirteen second turd, why dont you let me get 18 grand into it (still 10 thousand less then you have in your unbeatable cobra) then talk your ****.Never said it was unbeatable. My Buick is much faster, and offers even more bang for the buck than your LS1 (even your used LS1). Keep comparing your used, 5 year-old car to my new, warrantied Cobra if it alleviates the sting.
While we are on the subject of my "mid thirteen second turd", i will guarantee that you cant run a 12.6 at the track i run at. There is a guy up here with an 04 bone stock, and i have seen him make at least 30 passes, and the absolute best he can muster is a 13.0 109-110 range, and he is cutting an occassional 1.9 60' on streets.Good for him. I'm sure there are Cobras out there that aren't driven to their potential...just like any car. :rolleyes:
I dont give a **** what you think about me or my car, its paid off, and with about 1000 bucks i will run circles around you and every other stock cobra i find. Pull on me at any speed? Lets go from a 100MPH roll, and see you not pull ****Good for you. In the end you'd have a much older car, modified, bragging about beating a stock Cobra. :thumb: A 100mph roll? :think: :lol: What kind of clown races from a 100MPH roll? I guess you do!
And can I put $1k in my car? How about just $300 (3.2" pulley, CAI)?
Your point is what? I can go buy a (insert any RWD platform here), dump 10 grand into the motor, and another 5 into the chassis, and only have half of you you have in that cobra, and have the same if not more power then that. So i still miss your point.And you'll still have a used, modified...whatever it is. :lol:
Whatever though, think what you want, i am not trying to change the way you think. If you like the cobra's thats fine, i like the f-bodies, and you are the one who started this calling them ****boxes. My original post in this thread was actually DEFENDING the cobra's if you read. So knock f-bodies all you want, and call my car a turd all you want, as long as it makes you feel better.That's funny...you asked a question about what mods it would take to cut ET "by one and a half seconds, cheap". I politely answered, you then mocked my answer and called me an idiot...twice. For the $8-10k tha SteveY quoted for a used LS1...you get a used up, ragged out sh*tbox. Sorry if the truth hurts. I never "mocked" F-bodies, leave your paranoia at the door.:p
S.

Speaking of discounts....Crossroads Ford in Raleigh, NC is discounting new 2004 Cobras $7000 off MSRP. That puts them at $28,895 - $29,065. They have 5 of them (plus 3 Verts).

Good comparison. A 4 year old, ragged out Z that appears to be underpriced by a few thousand compared to an '03 that is priced significantly above current market. I bought my car brand new for $28.6.

You must have got one hell of a deal on yours then if that dealership in NC is discounting them 7K off of MSRP, and theirs still cost more then you had in yours.


BTW...here is a 470rwhp '03 with 10k miles for $25k. Amazingly, it only has four mods...a CAI, catback, pulley and tune (imagine that!). Guess he's lying about that dyno number.

Looks like you got ripped off then, you should have waited a year, and bought this one for 4K less then your car with 106 more RWHP.
Of course, someone stated earlier that the Z06 i seen for 27K is probably a worn out piece of **** since it had over 30K on it, i wonder how reliable the 470RWHP cobra is after 10K of abuse :rolleyes:

Idiot? Of my five cars, three of them will bust the **** out of that pig you're driving. Who's the idiot?
Maybe racing my wife's '03 Z71 Suburban would be a better match for you.
S.

Good for you, and your wife. You are the idiot, as stated before. Because 2 of your modified cars, and one stock car of yours, will beat me, makes you no less of an idiot.

Maybe you're just ignorant...pulley/CAI and tune are good for 450+rwhp depending on pulley size and the tune. Believe it or deny it moron, most enthusiasts have known this fact for over a year.

Funny, my supervisor at work is a mustang enthusiast, and subscribes to every mustang magazine and didnt recall having known this. He remembered an article about a pulley adding 40RWHP, thats it. Thats ok though i am the moron, got me there.

Bullsh*t. I knew about LS1's seven years ago. And they're, on average, more like 60-70rwhp behind '03/'04 Cobras for the '98-'00 cars and 50-60rwhp behind for the '01-'02 cars. Plenty of LS1's (M6's) dyno in the 280-290rwhp range...interesting, that would be 70-80rwhp behind my bone stock numbers with 1k on the clock.

So indirectly, what you are saying is that LS1 dyno numbers vary from 280-320, but every 03/04 Cobra dyno's 370 at the wheels. Horse****, i dont need to say anymore, i am sure you can see the ignorance i have brought to your attention.

Yup...that's what you'll get for the $8k-10k number Steve Y threw out there. A high mileage, ragged out sh*tbox.

High mileage ****boxes for 8-10K. Once again, i am sure you can see the ignorance of your own statement there. I have seen plenty of Z28's, t/a's and formula's sold for right around that price range with anywhere from 28K-40K miles on them. OOPS, i forgot 28-40 is "a high mileage, ragged out sh*tbox"

Who is talking about 'Vettes? Oh...that's right...you have to in order to support your argument. BTW...that Z06 will cost more used than a Cobra new (even assuming there is no discount off MSRP for the Cobra). BTW...do you own one of these Z06's? Same night, same track, I've run 2-3 tenths quicker than a stock '02/'03 Z06. Talked to the owner at length. He was impressed, you may not be. Makes no difference to me.

You were talking about LS1's, therefore vettes are included.....ass. Nope dont own a Z06. I am very impressed that you were running 2-3 tenths faster then that guys Z06. Funny though, you talked to him at length, and he was impressed, but you dont know if his car was an 02/03. Must have been a real "lengthy" conversation. BTW, that gentleman that was running 13.0's as his best time in his 03 (here at the track i race at, where my slow 00 SS, is only .4,and 5 mph slower then his rocket) watched an 02 Z06, make constant 12.4's-12.6's@113-114, he was impressed.

Oh yeah? Because we all know that every "bone stock" Z06 runs 11.7's. About two have. "Magical"? That's funny. Get a clue, Einstein.
Just like we all know that every Cobra runs mid-low twelves, and dyno's at 370 at the rear wheels.

Whatever dude....you win :bow: :bow: :bow:

Uncle.


LOL :)

Sean, I've only been to Cecil up here so that would be the best bet. Does Tim still have AAA? :eek:

Name of the dealership is family express, car is gone as of today. Up your ass Steve Y, back to the mop bucket you sack of ****.


What is the phone #, address, website, etc. of the dealership? I will call them and ask them about this Z06 for $27K. You are the lying sack of ****.

LOL :)

Sean, I've only been to Cecil up here so that would be the best bet. Does Tim still have AAA? :eek:Cecil is a faaaast track. If I run there, I want it to be on a cool Saturday morning this fall. 114mph might be within reach for me. We should see if we can get some of the old Tealnet people together one weekend.
If Tim doesn't have AAA, I do. ;)
S.

You must have got one hell of a deal on yours then if that dealership in NC is discounting them 7K off of MSRP, and theirs still cost more then you had in yours.I did. Of course, maybe I'm lying. :lol:
Looks like you got ripped off then, you should have waited a year, and bought this one for 4K less then your car with 106 more RWHP.No thanks. I got a great deal on my car, and wanted to start with a brand new one. Even when I was looking at used '03/'04's, I was looking for something stock. In the end, the deal I got outweighed what I found used.
Of course, someone stated earlier that the Z06 i seen for 27K is probably a worn out piece of **** since it had over 30K on it, i wonder how reliable the 470RWHP cobra is after 10K of abuse :rolleyes: [/b]Not sure. But I think the $27k Z06 is a figment of your creative imagination. You haven't provided SteveY with any contact info for the dealer...why?
Some modded Cobras have gone many miles with no problems, a few have had problems. That's the breaks when you have a 450+rwhp car. :rolleyes:
[i]Good for you, and your wife. You are the idiot, as stated before. Because 2 of your modified cars, and one stock car of yours, will beat me, makes you no less of an idiot.Thanks newbie. Now go back to the parts counter, where you belong. :lol:
Funny, my supervisor at work is a mustang enthusiast, and subscribes to every mustang magazine and didnt recall having known this. He remembered an article about a pulley adding 40RWHP, thats it. Thats ok though i am the moron, got me there.I guess because your supervisor didn't know about it, it's not true. :think: Maybe learn WTF you're talking about before sticking your foot in your mouth next time. The link I posted for the white '03 is a perfect example. CAI, pulley and a catback...470rwhp. One of many doing it. That's a low-mid 11-second, 120+mph car with IRS, big brakes, great buckets and fully loaded.
So indirectly, what you are saying is that LS1 dyno numbers vary from 280-320, but every 03/04 Cobra dyno's 370 at the wheels. Horse****, i dont need to say anymore, i am sure you can see the ignorance i have brought to your attention.If it makes you feel better, take the lowest Cobra dyno you can find and compare it to the highest LS1 dyno you can find. Brand loyal bozos like those comparisons, you might too. ;)
However, most of us know, on average, a '98-'00 LS1 will dyno 60-70rwhp behind an '03/'04 and an '01-'02 LS1 will dyno 50-60rwhp lower.
Don't talk to me about ignorance, boy. You're a walking representation of it.
High mileage ****boxes for 8-10K. Once again, i am sure you can see the ignorance of your own statement there. I have seen plenty of Z28's, t/a's and formula's sold for right around that price range with anywhere from 28K-40K miles on them. OOPS, i forgot 28-40 is "a high mileage, ragged out sh*tbox"An $8k LS1 F-body with 28-40k miles, huh? Must be at the same dealer with the $27k Z06. $8-10k buys you a pre-'00 car with over 50-60k miles on it. Find a link for a 28-40k LS1 F-body for $8-10k, would ya'? :lol:
You were talking about LS1's, therefore vettes are included.....ass. Nope dont own a Z06.Oh...I see. We're comparing engines not cars. Your argument falls to sh*t, so you have to drag a $53k Z06 into it (or a used Z06).
I am very impressed that you were running 2-3 tenths faster then that guys Z06. Funny though, you talked to him at length, and he was impressed, but you dont know if his car was an 02/03. Must have been a real "lengthy" conversation. BTW, that gentleman that was running 13.0's as his best time in his 03 (here at the track i race at, where my slow 00 SS, is only .4,and 5 mph slower then his rocket) watched an 02 Z06, make constant 12.4's-12.6's@113-114, he was impressed.He approached me. His brother-in-law was running 12.4-12.5's in a pullied '03 Cobra and he was curious about my car. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the visual cues that distinguish '02, '03 and '04 Z06's. It had a "405hp" fender badge, meaning it was an '02 or later. :rolleyes:
Did you shake the impressed Cobra-owner's hand? Were you holding the Z06 owner's nut sack?
Just like we all know that every Cobra runs mid-low twelves, and dyno's at 370 at the rear wheels.Not all of them, just those that are driven well. :lol: And some make more than 370rwhp. :metal:
S.

Don't talk to me about ignorance, boy. You're a walking representation of it.
[/i]An $8k LS1 F-body with 28-40k miles, huh? Must be at the same dealer with the $27k Z06. $8-10k buys you a pre-'00 car with over 50-60k miles on it. Find a link for a 28-40k LS1 F-body for $8-10k, would ya'? :lol:[/i]Not all of them, just those that are driven well. :lol: And some make more than 370rwhp. :metal:
S.

He is nothing but a newbie ****ing moron. Where are the phone #s of these two "deals." I will call and verify. Bone stock Cobras put down 360-380 rwhp from what I have seen. Stock LS1s put down 280-321 from what I have seen.

Bump.... :)

Steve Y,
**** you and the horse you rode in on. You are like i stated before, a wad that should have been swallowed. I gave you the name of the dealership, they are relatively new. If you want the number so bad (not in the phone book), you waste the 75 cents, dial information, and ask for the phone number for Family Express in Canton Ohio. Take that number, call them and ask about the Z06 they had. I dont give a sh*t if you believe me or not. As a matter of fact, i dont give a fu*k what you think of me. You are an ass, its obvious, every time you post anything it is completely irrelevant, or ignorant.

Horse****, i dont need to say anymore, i am sure you can see the ignorance i have brought to your attention.

Yes indeed, you've brought your ignorance to the attention of us all. I understand brand loyalty... I've owned ONLY Chevy's for close to 10 years now, but there's a difference between being loyal and being stupid.

I got my Z06 AFTER researching M3s, Supras, WRX STis, and Cobras. My point? Maybe you should do more research on cars OTHER than the one you own before calling BS. Anyone who knows anything about the new Cobras knows that for <$1000 in mods you will get crazy horses. In general, that's true for any forced induction motor. The fact that the Cobra has a full forged rotating assembly makes it that much easier to go to insane levels of boost on an otherwise stock motor. Lightning, Supra, WRX, basically anything with a turbo or SC is something you really need to be wary of. Could look and sound completely stock and make my car look like it's dog slow.

Just to remind you what started all the insults was after you asked what could be done to a new Cobra to drop 1+ second off of its 1/4 mile time, you then replied

"So you are telling me, a pulley, CAI, and tune will give you 110 RWHP!!!! LMFAO!!!"

The fact remains that it's true. Cold air, pulley and tuning. You DO know what a supercharger is, right? You DO know that adding a pulley increases BOOST, and BOOST is what gives forced induction cars their huge horsepower gains, right? Hint... the new Cobras have a supercharger and forged internals. Yeah, I know I've said it before, others have said it before, but you just don't seem to get it.

Name of the dealership is family express, car is gone as of today. Up your ass Steve Y, back to the mop bucket you sack of ****.

As far as bang for the buck goes, i have 13.5K in my mid thirteen second turd, why dont you let me get 18 grand into it (still 10 thousand less then you have in your unbeatable cobra) then talk your ****.

While we are on the subject of my "mid thirteen second turd", i will guarantee that you cant run a 12.6 at the track i run at. There is a guy up here with an 04 bone stock, and i have seen him make at least 30 passes, and the absolute best he can muster is a 13.0 109-110 range, and he is cutting an occassional 1.9 60' on streets. I dont give a **** what you think about me or my car, its paid off, and with about 1000 bucks i will run circles around you and every other stock cobra i find. Pull on me at any speed? Lets go from a 100MPH roll, and see you not pull ****



Your point is what? I can go buy a (insert any RWD platform here), dump 10 grand into the motor, and another 5 into the chassis, and only have half of you you have in that cobra, and have the same if not more power then that. So i still miss your point.

Whatever though, think what you want, i am not trying to change the way you think. If you like the cobra's thats fine, i like the f-bodies, and you are the one who started this calling them ****boxes. My original post in this thread was actually DEFENDING the cobra's if you read. So knock f-bodies all you want, and call my car a turd all you want, as long as it makes you feel better.He would smoke you steve y.Nothing out of the ordinary though.4th gen camaros usually do smoke 4th gen stangs. :D

I did. Of course, maybe I'm lying.

Never said you were, i believe you told me a couple replies ago "leave your paranoia at the door"......

No thanks. I got a great deal on my car, and wanted to start with a brand new one. Even when I was looking at used '03/'04's, I was looking for something stock. In the end, the deal I got outweighed what I found used.

Not sure. But I think the $27k Z06 is a figment of your creative imagination. You haven't provided SteveY with any contact info for the dealer...why?
Some modded Cobras have gone many miles with no problems, a few have had problems. That's the breaks when you have a 450+rwhp car.

I gave Steve Y (maybe Y is for yellow, as in the color of his mop bucket) the dealership's name, and location. If he wants to research it, all the tools are in the ****in shed. I think its funny how nobody believes me about the Z06 (which i dont give a ****), but if i even say you got a good deal on your cobra, you come back with a smart ass "maybe i'm lying" remark. Whatever.
I agree with the 450RWHP car statement you make, i was using it as an example b/c everyone said the Z06 i saw had to be junk for 27K.

Thanks newbie. Now go back to the parts counter, where you belong.

Parts counter, thats interesting, i dont work at a shop jackass, i travel to jobsites, and look at equipment, recommend the needed parts, or repairs, and sell them. Of course i am sure you had a better job at 20 years old. Of course i am sure you were trying to pay all of your bills, and trying to put yourself through school since mommie, and daddy didnt do it for you. Take a flying leap on a rolling donut *******, i bet i make more at my job right now (by far) then you did at my age. I hate people like you that think you are so much better then everyone else, because you sit your fat ass in a chair, and pull in 75-100K. Its people like you that ruin honest, hard working people's lives by sucking up all the revenue they make.

I guess because your supervisor didn't know about it, it's not true. Maybe learn WTF you're talking about before sticking your foot in your mouth next time. The link I posted for the white '03 is a perfect example. CAI, pulley and a catback...470rwhp. One of many doing it. That's a low-mid 11-second, 120+mph car with IRS, big brakes, great buckets and fully loaded.

I never said it wasnt true, you said in an earlier post, enthusiasts have known this for over a year. My supervisor is a mustang enthusiast, big time,
and he didnt know about it. BTW, how many have you seen dyno'd? I was just wondering how many you have actually seen dyno'd, and put down these kind of numbers?

If it makes you feel better, take the lowest Cobra dyno you can find and compare it to the highest LS1 dyno you can find. Brand loyal bozos like those comparisons, you might too.
However, most of us know, on average, a '98-'00 LS1 will dyno 60-70rwhp behind an '03/'04 and an '01-'02 LS1 will dyno 50-60rwhp lower.
Don't talk to me about ignorance, boy. You're a walking representation of it.

I simply stated that you are wrong. Not every Cobra dyno's at 365-370RWHP period. Cars vary (well wait a minute, that cant be, every 03-04 Cobra puts at least 365 Horses to the rear wheels).
Don't talk to me about ignorance, boy. You're a walking representation of it
Boy?? **** you old man. You dont know me, or who i am. I am more of a man at 20 then you will ever be. If anyone is a walking representation of ignorance its you.

An $8k LS1 F-body with 28-40k miles, huh? Must be at the same dealer with the $27k Z06. $8-10k buys you a pre-'00 car with over 50-60k miles on it. Find a link for a 28-40k LS1 F-body for $8-10k, would ya'?

Right. This is my 3rd LS1. My first LS1 1999 Z28, 6 speed, cloth seats, chrome wheels, red, monsoon, all power 21K on the clock when i bought it last year (car is gone now). 11.5 out the door, no trade in. (well thats over 10 grand, but well under 28K too). Cant compare my last 2 because i had trade in's. Find your own links, i have seen them, again do not give a **** if you believe me or not. Also remember, i never said for 8-10K you get a WS6-SS, fully loaded. There are 98-01 Z's, with cloth interior, standard painted rims, and hardly no power options. They are out there, you just have to look.

Oh...I see. We're comparing engines not cars. Your argument falls to sh*t, so you have to drag a $53k Z06 into it (or a used Z06).

I believe your comment was the 03/04 Cobra has the LS1 beat hands down bang for the buck, or something of that nature.

He approached me. His brother-in-law was running 12.4-12.5's in a pullied '03 Cobra and he was curious about my car. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the visual cues that distinguish '02, '03 and '04 Z06's. It had a "405hp" fender badge, meaning it was an '02 or later.
Did you shake the impressed Cobra-owner's hand? Were you holding the Z06 owner's nut sack?

Visual clues, nope, cant give you any. You said you had a conversation at length with him, i just figured "what year is your vette" might have popped up at some time in that "lenghty" convo. His brother was only running 12.4-12.5 in his "pullied" cobra?!?!?! :eek: :eek: :eek: How can that be?!?! That baby gives you 46 extra pounds of boost and 300RWHP!?!?!?! :eek: I got it!! Maybe i didnt have anyone's nutsack in hand, maybe you were blowing the brother-in-law while he was running his (far below average for a pullied cobra which should run 12.1's stock) 12.4-12.5's

Not all of them, just those that are driven well. And some make more than 370rwhp.

I completely agree with you there. You are the best driver in the world, Andretti, and "all" of them make at least 370, but most average in the 385-415 range right? I'm sorry, its getting close to the end of the week, numbers go up every friday so...lets say 390-420 for The middle of August, capesh? :rolleyes:

2003-2004 Ford Mustang Cobra :bow:
Snorman, legendary driver, none better :bow:

The fact remains that it's true. Cold air, pulley and tuning. You DO know what a supercharger is, right? You DO know that adding a pulley increases BOOST, and BOOST is what gives forced induction cars their huge horsepower gains, right? Hint... the new Cobras have a supercharger and forged internals. Yeah, I know I've said it before, others have said it before, but you just don't seem to get it.


........All i can say is...thank you. I did not know what a supercharger is, i did not know a different diameter will increase or decrease boost, respectively. The new Cobra's have this supercharger thing that you speak of, wow. Forged internals, ummmmm, crap what does that mean? Is that a stronger, more expensive, but better able to handle boost alternative to cast internals? Darn, i am glad you pointed these things out to me, i feel smarter already, Thank You Kind Sir, God bless..... :rolleyes: