ARRGG Lost to A GT!!!!!

POOPPYYY

I pulled up next to a gt Stang and some little punk kid was sitting behind the wheel. I asked him what year he, said 98. It was a stick but i said what they hey, lets go. I was pumped and figured I had a pretty good shot. It started out good and I had him off the line until about 20 when he caught up, when he shifted into second i pulled ahead for a little then he caught backup to me at about 35 and passed me. When my auto shifted into second at 40 he was about his back bumper to my front end. Im like ****......I kept going to about 70 and he had me by about 1 1/2 car lengths

wtf happened i thought 98+ v6s could hang with pre 99 gt stangs...???

he obviously had exhaust but i also have full cat back system and intake and 160degree thermo.....and still i lost

what the heck happened?????

I'd say being 1 1/2 car behind is pretty good considering he has a 260hp V8 and you have a 200hp V6. Those Gt's can be pretty snappy but just can't keep up with LS1's. I wouldn't hang my head to that, it's pretty good I'd say. My SS got it's a$$ kicked by a Viper SRT-10 on the highway last month, I knew I didn't have a chance to begin with but he made me look like I was sitting still when I was doing 120. All I could do was laugh and slow back down.

Actually 98 Mustangs make 220hp, it went to 260 in 99. Still thats not too bad. He already outhorsepowered you from the get go even with your mods and plus I think the big disadvantage was he had a manual and you had an auto. If you're car is like mine, a non-Y87 car, you have the open diffy with 3.08's in the rear. If you had a 5 speed, 3.42's and a LSD out back, you probably could've beaten him.

Either way, I'm sure hes not too happy about BARELY beating a v6 Camaro. :)

Actually 98 Mustangs make 220hp, it went to 260 in 99. Still thats not too bad. He already outhorsepowered you from the get go even with your mods and plus I think the big disadvantage was he had a manual and you had an auto. If you're car is like mine, a non-Y87 car, you have the open diffy with 3.08's in the rear. If you had a 5 speed, 3.42's and a LSD out back, you probably could've beaten him.

Either way, I'm sure hes not too happy about BARELY beating a v6 Camaro. :)

hopefully :) like i said iw as happy at first got him off the line then he whipped my butt....yea i dun think mine is Y87 but i duno how to tell...i got dual exhaust but i duno how to really tell.

also how do i get 3.42 gears for my 2000....also what is LSD out back??

I thought all 2000 on up had 3.42's standard. My car had them and it was bottom of the line. Is your exhaust the factory exhaust?? When I had my 2000 with Dynomax exhaust, FTRA and ghetto lid I beat my friends 98 GT. It was a manual and he only had exhaust done. I beat him by a car. 2 times to show I just didn't get lucky. Not much but I was pretty happy. Especially since everybody was raggin on me for getting an auto V6 :) Then after that day, he kept shut.

I thought all 2000 on up had 3.42's standard. My car had them and it was bottom of the line. Is your exhaust the factory exhaust?? When I had my 2000 with Dynomax exhaust, FTRA and ghetto lid I beat my friends 98 GT. It was a manual and he only had exhaust done. I beat him by a car. 2 times to show I just didn't get lucky. Not much but I was pretty happy. Especially since everybody was raggin on me for getting an auto V6 :) Then after that day, he kept shut.

anyone comment on this do i have 3.42's already? maybe the guy i raced hd more mods then your friend or was a better driver? or maybe my car just blows

Just how do you know the guy had a thermostat....by looking at the car? Same for the intake...anything he had done just by looking at it.

I thought I was good.....

He makes a chunk more power and a LOT more torque stock.

The kid could not drive because that is an easy high 14 second car...compared to your time...not your internet time because Joe-smoe ran it so I can...but your real, took it to the track yourself ET.

Just how do you know the guy had a thermostat....by looking at the car? Same for the intake...anything he had done just by looking at it.

I thought I was good.....

He makes a chunk more power and a LOT more torque stock.

The kid could not drive because that is an easy high 14 second car...compared to your time...not your internet time because Joe-smoe ran it so I can...but your real, took it to the track yourself ET.


i have the CAI and thermo...but i know he had atleast a muffler because i heard it......the reason i was mad is because i heard my car with a few mods could hang with a pre 99 gt stang..and when i didnt i was confused to say the least

Not to threadjack, but edr1, what does a CAI and thermo add in terms of HP to the V6? How does it feel in comparision to stock? Thanks!

-B

No offense, man, but a stock V6 Camaro is not going to beat a Mustang GT on the street. The GT's, with anyone that knows how to drive, is well into the 14's.

To check if you have 3.42's just look on your driver's side door and look for the code GU6 I believe it was. That means you have 3.42's. Stock wise, of course the GT will take the V6. But a couple of mods will help out. Get a good launch and you can beat them, but not by a bunch.

So you lost to a GT...he has a V8, you have a V6. Even though the HP difference isn't as much as a 99+ GT, he still has the advantage.

Be glad you kept up as well as you did...he puts down approx. 20 more HP than you stock. You mentioned he had an exhaust...he probably had an intake as well. That makes the HP gap greater. Your intake and exhaust won't close that gap enough.

Our 3.8s can give pre-99 GTs a good run but they still have the advantage. With enough mods though, we can take some of them. Keep in mind though...they still have that advantage. If they're modded too it might be a short race. They have a huge aftermarket.

"Not to hijack"...god I hate that. MSG the person directly...

If your having so much fun with a V6 just
wait until you get a V8. but the way gas
is right now I'm not mad at you having a
V6, I was once there my self.

you lost, but what a go fight.

yea i got GU6 on my door, along with about 55 different things....jeezo peezo where can i go to figure out what they all mean???

also it says that my cars weighs 4100 lbs...eek i thought it weighed 3300....maybe that is my prob......anything i can do to lighten the load a bit???

and bean boy...i have thermo not configged i need to do that but duno how any help? and CAI and cat back.....duno how much it adds...to tell u the truth i didnt feel much of a diff at all...but they sure sound good

also im looking into getting headers to finish off my exhaust....also possible LSD and some TSP tuning or something liek that...mayve that will help me out a bit

a 98 GT makes 225 hp and 290 ft lbs of torque. that torque output alone is going to muscle the GT out ahead of a 3800 car. if i were you i would be happy about the race. the kid probably thought he was gonna blow you away, meanwhile you hung on his back bumper the whole time. :D

secondly, ignore the weight rating, your car does NOT weigh anywhere near 4100 pounds. you're guess of 3300 is pretty accurate give or take 50 pounds.

also the thermostat needs to be matched to the fan speeds for any kind of real benefit. the way your car is, the thermostat is opening earlier but the fans are still off until the original temp settings. in short, your passing the coolant through the radiator for no reason because the fans aren't doing any extra cooling. you can reset fan temps with a pcm tune or a hypertech programmer (sorry,not actually sure if they make one for the 3.8, anyone wanna chime in on that?)

my 89RS 2.8 v6 beat a 88 Monte SS.........seriously not lying......i started tearing cuz i was laughin so hard that i took this guy.......my car is real quick off tha line.....just kept it revd at about 2500 then nailed it.......we were both auto, but i like to shift mine...

i know a kid who busted his tranny i think doing that in his t bird....so i just kick it into the Drive setting and let the auto do the work....

o yea and if i reved my car at 2500 and punched it still be sitting there....i cant go any higher then 1500 and even then squeal a bit. ah yes and that tuning where can i get info about doing that to get my fan helping me out a bit...cuz i heard lowering your engine temp can increase your ish by like5 hp or so...and the thermo only cost me like 15 bucks uncluding shipping

also why would my car say 4100 if in fact it was 3300?? also where can i find out what the rest of the stuff on the door mean?

also why would my car say 4100 if in fact it was 3300?? also where can i find out what the rest of the stuff on the door mean?

4100 might be the rating (as in the heaviest the car should be with people and cargo and stuff.) ill tell you right now i can GUARANTEE you are nowhere near 4000 pounds. my car only weighs 3400 pounds even. the V6s tend to be a bit lighter because of the lighter duty suspension parts and smaller motor and such.

the codes on the door are called RPO Codes. search GM RPO Codes or F-body RPO codes or something like that, im sure you'll find a site that explains them.

my car is real quick off tha line.....just kept it revd at about 2500 then nailed it.......we were both auto, but i like to shift mine...


im assuming you mean you had the car in neutral at 2500 rpm and then popped it into drive???? i cant see you being able to power brake the car up to 2500 rpm.

if you are neutral dropping, you're lucky you haven't blown the tranny and/or rear to pieces by now. thats a REALLY REALLY bad idea.....

im assuming you mean you had the car in neutral at 2500 rpm and then popped it into drive???? i cant see you being able to power brake the car up to 2500 rpm.

if you are neutral dropping, you're lucky you haven't blown the tranny and/or rear to pieces by now. thats a REALLY REALLY bad idea.....
SSSSsssshhhhh...let him learn the hard way.

SSSSsssshhhhh...let him learn the hard way.

:lol:

No offense, man, but a stock V6 Camaro is not going to beat a Mustang GT on the street. The GT's, with anyone that knows how to drive, is well into the 14's.

I beat 2 Gts my last time at the track, with only a short shifter :) Hell I even spun to 2.3 60's.

hehe one even redlighted me and I caught up and pulled at the topend close race but I won :)

course both cars were not t-top shape trapping like 90ish in humid weather, I was trapping ~92

I beat 2 Gts my last time at the track, with only a short shifter :) Hell I even spun to 2.3 60's.

hehe one even redlighted me and I caught up and pulled at the topend close race but I won :)

course both cars were not t-top shape trapping like 90ish in humid weather, I was trapping ~92

You seem to overlooking the "on the street" that I specifically included in that post.

I beat 2 Gts my last time at the track, with only a short shifter :) Hell I even spun to 2.3 60's.



that's because somehow, you have a mid 14 second stock 3.8....pre 99 GTs are high 14 second cars and its not uncommon to see an automatic (im not bashing autos here as i have one, but simply put the 4R70W ford automatic sucks bigtime) run in the 15.0 range.

you're an unusual case though, most 3.8s are NOT going to be able to comfortably beat a SOHC 4.6 in stock form.

So anyone have any ideal of how long a car will run without the serpentine belt?

We are talking street here right?

*raises hand* I've beaten GTs.. But only stock-damn near stock foxes....

I'm probably opening myself up to getting flamed bigtime here, but o well. My 3.4 A4 has taken pre-99 GTs (autos) on the street as well as a L98 (I think thats the engine code) vette. My conclusion: either they forgot to replace the drain plug last time they changed the oil or were merely casually accelerating to 95+ mph. I dunno...

I'm probably opening myself up to getting flamed bigtime here, but o well. My 3.4 A4 has taken pre-99 GTs (autos) on the street as well as a L98 (I think thats the engine code) vette. My conclusion: either they forgot to replace the drain plug last time they changed the oil or were merely casually accelerating to 95+ mph. I dunno...

not gonna flame ya but i don't think your car has the capability to beat an L98 Vette....however, a bad driver is a bad driver even if he drives a vette, so your kill is still a kill... ;)

There are some guys down here that can't get their 03 cobras into the 8's (eighth mile) so I guess a bad driver really can kill performance. Oh yea, pre 99 Gt's were running mid to high 9's. A guy with an SS ran about an 8.8 on street tires. Looked stock under the hood. Whats a 3.4 auto run in the eighth, mid to high 10's perhaps?

Their is a kid at my College with a 99GT, he would always rev at me so I started to stalk him through the parking lots :D
One day we both pulled out same time-he was a crappy Manual driver and I had the advantage with the launch, he got himself cornored in traffic and I zipped around :D
I wouldnt have won on a straight road, but it's fun to play :cool:

that's because somehow, you have a mid 14 second stock 3.8....

you're an unusual case though, most 3.8s are NOT going to be able to comfortably beat a SOHC 4.6 in stock form.

Or because hes a helluva driver on the strip and knows his car better than most drivers know their own. Including launch speeds, shift points, torque curve, etc. I dont think his car is unusual at all, hes a pretty respected driver at the strip from what I've heard. Btw MustangEater, I'm assuming you go out to SpeedWorld to run? Took me forever to find that place the first time I went out there. In the boonies off of 50.

Or because hes a helluva driver on the strip and knows his car better than most drivers know their own. Including launch speeds, shift points, torque curve, etc. I dont think his car is unusual at all, hes a pretty respected driver at the strip from what I've heard. Btw MustangEater, I'm assuming you go out to SpeedWorld to run? Took me forever to find that place the first time I went out there. In the boonies off of 50.

yea...somehow he has a mid 14 sec 3.8...as in he somehow managed to get it to go mid 14s... :D thats what i meant to say really.

MId 14's...ask him what he did before you start bowing down to him....in street trim what does it run...

MId 14's...ask him what he did before you start bowing down to him....in street trim what does it run...

i know what he did....unbolted exhaust, ran no belt, etc etc etc....still thats fairly impressive for an stock 3.8

I'm not doubting he did it...he has been around long enough to have credibility...but you would not believe how many guys now think they can hit those times....these guys are at the track running high 15's scratching their heads...

Just like LS1's at the track...(not picking on LS1's, they scream, just from my experience) I have never met 1 LS1 guy that did not tell me their car really ran...the all run 12's because they do on the internet...I have even seen newbs at the track tell me what they were going to run(high 12's first pass) and these guy line up with their back tires...burn out at the line getting ready like it is the burnout box...only to run mid 14's because they have no ideal of what it takes.