GMHTP runs an 11.97 at 118.8 in a bone stock '04 Z06!

Check out this month's issue of GM high tech perf. Those Z06s scream! :metal:

on slicks? hehe..

Z06's w/ good drivers have been cutting those numbers since theve come out, even more prevelent when they got the HP boost from 385-405...

WTF is my issue? :mad:





people will still question the legitimacy of it.




awesome babyyyyyyyyyyyy! :bow:

Is that in the issue with the black T/A vert. and the chic in the purple bikini on the front?

If so, what page is it on?

It's not the issue with the Black T/A, it has a Red LT1 SS and a Silver LS1 T/A on the cover, I think it's the October issue. I just bought it 3 days ago it came packaged with a Popular Hot Rodding also.

It was a great article, I cant believe they got those times. I dont believe they used slicks, if they did, I dont remember reading it. I think they said they didnt touch the tire pressure or the air filter. Bone stock, it ran a 11.97, amazing.

I'd love to have a 2004 Z06. They are just plain sick but I guess they should be for that amont of $$$? :bow:

Bone stock, it ran a 11.97, amazing.

That is amazing, but whats even more amazing, IMO, is that several guys have gone 2 or more tenths faster.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=855116

I'd love to have a 2004 Z06. They are just plain sick but I guess they should be for that amont of $$$? :bow:


you can get them at a great price now if you want.


i met a guy who got an 04 for 10k off sticker.no haggling. :eek:

BTW, here's a link to the article for those of you who either can't or just don't have the paper mag:

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0410htp_zo/

Its exciting to know that came out of the 04 and the C6 will be even faster. :eek:

BTW, here's a link to the article for those of you who either can't or just don't have the paper mag:

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0410htp_zo/


thx.since the aholes didnt send me this issue.

Very, very impressive. I'm tossing around the idea of selling my 99 Cobra once the NMRA season is finished and picking one up. Tough decision for me.

Its exciting to know that came out of the 04 and the C6 will be even faster. :eek:

The regular C6 is slower than the '04 Z06. Check out the latest Motor Trend rag. They ran a 12.7 at 112.3 in a C6 and a 12.4 at 115.xx in an older Z06. The newer Z06s should run really well though! :cool:

Very, very impressive. I'm tossing around the idea of selling my 99 Cobra once the NMRA season is finished and picking one up. Tough decision for me.

Imagine how fast you could make an '04 Z06 go if you got that Cobra running that fast! ;) I will buy your Cobra from you if you want to sell if for a good price.

The regular C6 is slower than the '04 Z06. Check out the latest Motor Trend rag. They ran a 12.7 at 112.3 in a C6 and a 12.4 at 115.xx in an older Z06. The newer Z06s should run really well though! :cool:


dave hill claims in an article in GMHTP that a z51 equipped C6 will have similar performance to a c5 z06.

dave hill claims in an article in GMHTP that a z51 equipped C6 will have similar performance to a c5 z06.

"Claims" is exactly right. So far in testing the C6 has come up short according to Motor Trend, anyway. The C6 weighs 3267 according to Motor Trend. Don't Z06s weigh 3050 or so? That means the new C6 motor needs 380+ rwhp to tie the old Z06. I doubt it has that much power.

It depends on how close "similar" needs to be. Nearly every magazine test had Z06s running mid 12s at 115 or so, with the C6 running only slightly slower than that. If you look at the times they got with a Z06 over the years (and not just this GMHTP article) then Dave Hill's comment is true. I know that I haven't come anywhere near 11s in my car, so a C6 is indeed running times similar to my Z06 :)

im betting a new c6(z51)close or identical times to a c5 zo6.



place your bets here. :cool:

im betting a new c6(z51)close or identical times to a c5 zo6.



place your bets here. :cool:It should be, its almost identical power, think motor trend or R&t made a pass w/ one somewheres around 12.7@113...W/ a real world driver that should de somewhere very deep in the 12's

The Z06 makes 360ish rwhp and weighs about 3050 lbs. The C6 would need 380 rwhp to equal the Z06 because it weighs about 3267 lbs. I bet the C6 will be slightly slower than the '02-'04 Z06s. Motor Trend has already proven it, we will see other tests soon.

The Z06 makes 360ish rwhp and weighs about 3050 lbs. The C6 would need 380 rwhp to equal the Z06 because it weighs about 3267 lbs. I bet the C6 will be slightly slower than the '02-'04 Z06s. Motor Trend has already proven it, we will see other tests soon.

When has Motor Trend (or any mag for that matter) ever proved anything? I have no doubt people will be getting low low 12s out of the C6 soon enough. They should be a tick behind the C5 ZO6, but only time will tell how the C6 performs with a REAL driver behind the wheel.

When has Motor Trend (or any mag for that matter) ever proved anything? I have no doubt people will be getting low low 12s out of the C6 soon enough. They should be a tick behind the C5 ZO6, but only time will tell how the C6 performs with a REAL driver behind the wheel.

Yeah, but THEY ran a Z06 to 12.4 at 115 and the C6 to 12.7 at 112.

Yeah, but THEY ran a Z06 to 12.4 at 115 and the C6 to 12.7 at 112.

Different day, different conditions, different driver, test wheel isn't a track (no trap speeds), correction factors etc. Magazine times shouldn't even be quoted as a concrete time. They are a decent insight (at best) to what the car will be capable of w/a competent driver behind the wheel.

You speak as if they take a C5 and a C6 and plug it into their magical Motor Trend simulator that drives both cars to times relative to eachother.

Stop bench racing. :)

actually on vette forums the fastest time proven is 11.87 at 118. BONE STOCK NO SLICKS. 1.7 60'.

Yeah, but THEY ran a Z06 to 12.4 at 115 and the C6 to 12.7 at 112.
That means absolutely nothing, might have been at a different track, different weather, etc etc....The c6 and the current z06 will be very close...Til they run head to head, dyno, or get some good runs outta the c6 its all speculation til then...and you certainly cant go buy these magazines times..if that was the case a LS1 can only run high 13's stock.

i thought the weight of a C6 was going to be less than a C5 z06?


doesnt an ls2 peak sooner and have a flatter torque curve?

dave hill has made it fairly clear that a C6 will deliver C5 z06 performance for less money. :bow:

Motor Trend corrects for weather conditions. They may have had a ringer Z06 and a slug C6, but maybe not. They do not drive the cars to the best possible times, but at least they are the same group of people and they consistently test cars the same. It is the best comparison we have between these two cars SO FAR. I still bet the C6 is slightly slower than the '02+ Z06s. Anybody wanna take bets? :D

my money is on an ls2.whos with me? :cool:

I say Z06, but I'm biased :)

I'm seriously thinking of selling my kidneys, liver, lungs, etc on the black market to go towards a down payment on Z06. :bow:

^^^ im right behind you :eek:

dave hill claims in an article in GMHTP that a z51 equipped C6 will have similar performance to a c5 z06.
im betting a new c6(z51)close or identical times to a c5 zo6.
Actually, I recall that Dave Hill asserted that the a Z51 equipped C6 will provide 75% of the performance of a C5 Z06.
S.

Well the latest news on the C6 Z06 is that supposedly they're not going to make their 500 hp goal, but they're going to make up for it with more weight savings in the body and suspension, the only thing I remember is that they're going to use a magnesium k-member? Yeah so anyway I guess estimates right now should be 2800 lbs, 450+ hp :) :D :cool:

2800lbs.?!?
Never happen.
Team Corvette isn't going to pare 250lbs. off the C5 Z06.
I'd figure maybe an additional 50-75lbs.
S.

The C6 was already tested according to my dad's subscription to a corvette magazine (Corvette monthly?). I read it and it stated that they ran a 12.5@ 115mph.

Actually, I recall that Dave Hill asserted that the a Z51 equipped C6 will provide 75% of the performance of a C5 Z06.
S.


the article i have says itll offer z06 performance in a base level C6.



theres no reason not to believe 11 sec. ETs with this car in stock form under the right conditions.



75% is about what a base C5 offers.

2800lbs.?!?
Never happen.
Team Corvette isn't going to pare 250lbs. off the C5 Z06.
I'd figure maybe an additional 50-75lbs.
S.



you know this for a fact?



latest info is C6 z06 is getting an alloy frame. :cool:

you know this for a fact?



latest info is C6 z06 is getting an alloy frame. :cool:And you know for a fact it'll weigh 2800lbs.? Current Z06 is 3118lbs., coupe is ~3270 and the C6 is only a few pounds lighter than the C5 coupe. I'm sure they'll magically shave an additional 470lbs. off the C6 coupe, when previously the delta was only ~150lbs..:rolleyes:
Are you naive enough to think it's going to weigh 35lbs. less than a 4-cylinder S2000? :lol:
Is this (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=861091&page=1&pp=20) the alloy "frame" to which you refer?
But you're probably right. In fact it might even weigh less than 2800lbs.. Maybe 2600...or even 2500lbs.
S.

From the August 9th issue of Autoweek, page 20:

The Z51 package, though, is the ticket for the track. Hill says the C6 with the Z51 package will get you "three-forths of the way to Z06 performance levels."

As far as the C6 Z06 weight goes... I think they could make it if they priced it at 80K, but they won't price it there, and it won't make the weight. My guess is a few dozen pounds lighter than the current Z06. The carbon fiber hood on an 04 Z06 is about 15lbs lighter than the standard hood. If they extend its use to more of the front end, there's your weight loss right there, and all in the front where it does the most good.

Well the latest news on the C6 Z06 is that supposedly they're not going to make their 500 hp goal, but they're going to make up for it with more weight savings in the body and suspension, the only thing I remember is that they're going to use a magnesium k-member? Yeah so anyway I guess estimates right now should be 2800 lbs, 450+ hp :) :D :cool:

Why are they not going to make their 500 horsepowe goal?

And you know for a fact it'll weigh 2800lbs.? Current Z06 is 3118lbs., coupe is ~3270 and the C6 is only a few pounds lighter than the C5 coupe. I'm sure they'll magically shave an additional 470lbs. off the C6 coupe, when previously the delta was only ~150lbs..:rolleyes:
Are you naive enough to think it's going to weigh 35lbs. less than a 4-cylinder S2000? :lol:
Is this (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=861091&page=1&pp=20) the alloy "frame" to which you refer?
But you're probably right. In fact it might even weigh less than 2800lbs.. Maybe 2600...or even 2500lbs.
S.


i never said 2800 did i?i just think theyll get it lighter than a c5 z06.


well have to see wont we? :cool:

i never said 2800 did i?i just think theyll get it lighter than a c5 z06.


well have to see wont we? :cool:"/cough...cough...uhh...I didn't say it would weigh 2800lbs., I just said you don't know it won't weigh 2800lbs., it might weigh more than 2800lbs., but less than the C5 Z06 which is more than 2800lbs., but you don't know it won't weigh 2800lbs. and I never said it would weigh 2800lbs.."
:rolleyes:
I don't know for sure that the sun is going to come up tomorrow, but it likely will. And the same notion applies to a 2800lb. C6 Z06, it's highly unlikely to happen. But of course, I don't know that for fact...:rolleyes:
S.

a simple no wouldve been fine. :D



current C6 is almost 100 lbs lighter than a C5.C6 vert is lighter than a C5.



im assuming all C6s have some type of removavble roof.nothing has been mentioned of an FRC being offered.


with all that an easy 250 lbs will have to be removed to get this car into the 2800lbish weight.


not impossible but not likely.



the sun will come up tomorrow. :cool:

Some Z06's are a little stronger than others. My 2002 with nothing more than a lid ran a best of 11.84 with a 1.76 sec. 60' on stock F1s. You see 06s running in this range to mid 12's depending on the track and driver.

That last part is the biggest though. I went from a 12.46 on my first trip out with the lid to the 11.84 many passes later. Driver MOD. :)

-Mindgame

with all that an easy 250 lbs will have to be removed to get this car into the 2800lbish weight.
I guess math isn't a strong point.
C6 coupe is well over 3200lbs.
The current MT lists it at 3267. (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0402_corvette/index7.html)
C6 Registry...3245. (http://www.c6registry.com/specifications/)
Another...3245. (http://www.c6vr.com/c6/stats.asp)
Corvette Fever...3179. (http://www.corvettefever.com/featuredvehicles/c6specs.pdf)
Vette Web...3245. (http://www.vetteweb.com/features/0405vet_newc6/)
Corvette Museum...3245. (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2005/specs.shtml)
That's not "almost 100 lbs lighter than a C5". In fact, it's not lighter at all. Who cares about convertible weights, Chevy isn't going to build a Z06 'vert. :think:
So to achieve 2800lbs., Team Corvette would need to remove almost 450lbs., or about 13% from a C6 coupe.
Good luck!
Just be happy the C6 is a great car and dispell the notion of a 2800lb. Z06. :lol: :no:
S.

GMHTP has a convertible est.weight at 3200 with a couple a little lighter.about 20 lbs.


so yes id say its lighter.

i highly doubt with the car being shorter weight was not reduced.

so no 450 lbs isnt needed to reach that goal.



GM is working on getting the weight in the 2800 lb range.

GMHTP has a convertible est.weight at 3200 with a couple a little lighter.about 20 lbs.Wrong. The C6 was designed as a roadster, the coupe version is heavier by about 17 lbs.
I just provided you with six links, five of them listing the C6 coupe at 3245 (or higher) and you quote GMHTP's "est. weight"? ROTFLMAO!
Here's another...3245. (http://www.supercarx.com/articles/specifications/05corvette.htm)
And another...3245. (http://www.fast-autos.com/corvette.html)
A C5 coupe (non FRC) weighs about 3220, with the Z06 about 100lbs.lighter (3116 lbs.).
i highly doubt with the car being shorter weight was not reduced.But it's taller. Who cares. :rolleyes: Now you're grasping at straws because you are wrong. The C6 isn't "almost 100 lbs lighter than a C5". I think we've demonstrated that.
GM isn't going to build a convertible Z06.
Let's do the math again, shall we?
To achieve 2800lbs., Team Corvette would need to remove approximately 425-450lbs. from the 3245lb. C6 coupe.
Isn't gonna' happen.
S.

:rotfl:

youre right GMHTP along with dave hill wouldnt have more credible info. :lol:

heres some more info from this article you can furthur choose to dismiss.



the new c6 is based on a 174.6 inch structure-5.1 inches shorter then the c5.with its 105.7 inch wheelbase 1.2 inches longer then the previous models.the track proven hydroformed steel frame rails are complemented with strengthened front rails and bumpers,making the c6 LIGHTER,stronger and more fuel efficent than its predecessor.



but after all GMHTP couldve printed this to try and call dave hill a liar.

UltimateorangeSS, want to put your money where your mouth is? I will bet $100 that the new Z06 has a curb weight (bone stock car with all fluids topped off and a full tank of gas, no driver) of more than 2800 lbs. Will you take the bet?

itll probably be heavier than that.




probably 2900 range.

With all your blathering, you're still unable to provide any quote, link or evidence to support the C6 is "almost 100lbs. lighter" than a C5. That about right?
Seven links, all with specs provided directly from GM list a curb weigh of 3245 (one even higher). But you just know it's lighter, because GMHTP said it is. :lol:
:Owned:
I'm not dismissing anything, you've failed to provide anything to dismiss. What curb weight does GMHTP claim? What curb weight does Dave Hill claim?
:lol:
S.

WHere are you guys getting this. I've got the new motortrend and this weeks autoweek mag and both quote Dave Hill saying that the c6 w/z51 option will get you 75% of the Z06's performance.

Jason
i thought the weight of a C6 was going to be less than a C5 z06?


doesnt an ls2 peak sooner and have a flatter torque curve?

dave hill has made it fairly clear that a C6 will deliver C5 z06 performance for less money. :bow:

Now all three of the wine and cheese rags (Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road and Track) ran a new C6 to considerably slower times than the late model Z06s. They average about 4 or 5 tenths and 4 or 5 mph slower than the newest Z06s, according to these three mags. And this is same mag to same mag times. I know before you say it, all three mags drive the C6 a lot worse than the Z06s. :rolleyes: Anybody want to take a $100 bet that the C6 is not slower than the late model Z06s on average?

With all your blathering, you're still unable to provide any quote, link or evidence to support the C6 is "almost 100lbs. lighter" than a C5. That about right?
Seven links, all with specs provided directly from GM list a curb weigh of 3245 (one even higher). But you just know it's lighter, because GMHTP said it is. :lol:
:Owned:
I'm not dismissing anything, you've failed to provide anything to dismiss. What curb weight does GMHTP claim? What curb weight does Dave Hill claim?
:lol:
S.

you can choose to believe your info ill believe mine.


GMHTP has been more credible than most as far as late model GM efi cars go.


its current design is lighter though 100 lbs might not be exact.


theyre claiming a 3200 lb weight for verts.


so probably closer to 50 lbs lighter.

you can choose to believe your info ill believe mine.


GMHTP has been more credible than most as far as late model GM efi cars go.
Of course GMHTP is "more credible", it's the only source you have to support your claim that the C6 is "almost 100lbs lighter" than the C5. And even then, you can't quote a number that GMHTP is claiming for C6 curb weight. :lol:

its current design is lighter though 100 lbs might not be exact.


theyre claiming a 3200 lb weight for verts.


so probably closer to 50 lbs lighter.Interesting...I guess you missed my previous comments. :rolleyes:
Let me refresh your memory...
...A C5 coupe (non FRC) weighs about 3220, with the Z06 about 100lbs.lighter (3116 lbs.)...
Wrong. The C6 was designed as a roadster, the coupe version is heavier by about 17 lbs. So you're now admitting a C6 'vert weighs 3200lbs., the coupe will be heavier. See this (http://www.fast-autos.com/corvette.html) link...
Curb weight is pretty good for a car of this size: 3,245 lbs (1,470 kg) which gives a very good power-to-weight ratio. That's the coupe; the convertible, to give the roadster its official name, is lighter at 3,199 lbs (1,451 kg) because the C6 was designed as a roadster form the outset.So since you're admitting the C6 will be 3200lbs. (according to the irrefutable GMHTP), and the coupe will be a few pounds heavier, and a C5 coupe weighs 3220, are you still going to make the claim that the C6 is "almost 100lbs lighter" than the C5?
100lbs. is significant. 20-30lbs. is nothing, 80-100lbs. is.
S.

I saw my dad's latest issue of Corvette Monthly (I think thats the name) and they ran a C6 stock 12.5 @ 115mph. Just thought I'd share. 115mph is what most mags were getting out of a ZO6. In the real world with real drivers that know how to drive 117-118mph is possible on the ZO6, so we shall see with the C6 as well.