My Ideal 5th Gen Line Up, check it out!

I was reading the thread about the different Engine options in the 5th gen and decided this would be my ideal line up in 2007-2008.



Camaro Base Model $20-22k
Engine:
3.9L NA V6 240hp (mid 14 sec ¼ mile)
DoD standard
Options:
5-speed standard or Auto optioned
Hardtop only
Cloth seats only
Power options not standard but optioned
16 wheels only
On-Star available

Camaro Base Model Rally Sport Option $23-24k
Engine:
5.3L Lo-po NA V8 LS4 310 hp (mid 13 sec ¼ mile)
DoD option available
Options:
6-speed standard or Auto optioned
Stripe package available
Fog lights available
Hardtop standard but Convertible or T-top option available
Cloth seats or leather available
Power options not standard but optioned
16 wheels standard, 17 inch optioned
On-Star available

SS Model $25k-30k
Engine:
5.3L Hi-po NA V8 LS4 350 hp (low 13 sec ¼ mile)
(Free Flowing exhaust and Cam upgrade from Lo-po 5.3L to produce more power)
DoD option available
Options:
Auto standard or 6-speed optioned
Hood scoop and SS original spoiler
Fog lights available
T-top option standard or Convertible optioned
Leather standard
Power options standard
17 inch wheels only
On-Star available
Heated seats available
Heads up display available (includes tach and speedometer)

Z/28 $33k
Engine:
6.0L LS2 V8 400hp (mid 12 sec ¼ mile)
No DoD option available
Options:
6-speed only
Stripe package, Cowl hood and Z/28 original spoiler
Fog lights standard
Hardtop only
Leather delete available
Power options delete available
18 inch wheels only
Heads up display available (includes tach and speedometer)

thoughts?

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Originally posted by stars1010
Camaro Base Model $20-22k
16 wheels only

Camaro Base Model Rally Sport Option $23-24k
16 wheels standard...
The two base models have a lot of wheels. ;)

Originally posted by HAZ-Matt
The two base models have a lot of wheels. ;)

:confused: I said you have the option on the RS to get 17inch wheels. The Base model can only get 16 wheels and the RS shares those wheels unless you upgrade to the 17s.

Overall, I like...but if it were me.....

-All models get Onstar, even base Cavaliers have onstar, and we're talking 3 yrs down the road here.

-All models get the power accessories, I know there are a few diehards out there that want manual W&L's, but not enough to warrant the extra build combinations. Power to the People!!

-Base-- No stripes for the base car, or at least different ones than the Z, a hockey stick or bumble bee perhaps.

-SS-- same engine as Z/28 and 18's standard

-Z28-- a Z/28 specific recaro type seat, racing stripes optional. Brembos, Koni's, 3.73's, Z06 ratios, and oh how I wish they could do chambered exhausts.

Everything else looks good to me

Originally posted by stars1010
:confused: I said you have the option on the RS to get 17inch wheels. The Base model can only get 16 wheels and the RS shares those wheels unless you upgrade to the 17s.
It says they have 16 wheels not 16 inch wheels. 16 wheels is four times the number of wheels you need. LOL but the joke was lost.

Originally posted by HAZ-Matt
It says they have 16 wheels not 16 inch wheels. 16 wheels is four times the number of wheels you need. LOL but the joke was lost.

lol I got the joke

That works for me:thumb:

I like what you have, except I would have t-tops be offered on all models even the base V6 car. T-tops are a very popular option, and I see plenty of V6 cars w/ them (I even own one).


Oh, and congrats on the new ride. Thats what I wanted to get when I got my Grand Am.

Originally posted by Sixer-Bird
I like what you have, except I would have t-tops be offered on all models even the base V6 car. T-tops are a very popular option, and I see plenty of V6 cars w/ them (I even own one).
agreed

Originally posted by HAZ-Matt
It says they have 16 wheels not 16 inch wheels. 16 wheels is four times the number of wheels you need. LOL but the joke was lost.

:D I need to read a bit more carefully.

Very nice to see someone thinks like I do. I have replaced 4 driver side window motors and 3-passenger motors in the pest 9 years and I think I will try to order my next car with roll up windows. 400hp stock here I come

Originally posted by Sixer-Bird
I like what you have, except I would have t-tops be offered on all models even the base V6 car. T-tops are a very popular option, and I see plenty of V6 cars w/ them (I even own one).


Oh, and congrats on the new ride. Thats what I wanted to get when I got my Grand Am.

Good point on the T-tops. I agree T-tops and verts should be offered on all models IMO excpet the Z/28. I think the Z should be a hard top and pretty much the Camaro's version of the ZO6.

Thanks for the compliment on the GTP. I love it! It also feels so good to be buying a car all on my own too. I go and close on the deal tomorrow at the dealership. Look for me around TCU, I'm always running around Hulen and University on the weekends. I'm goign to try and have some pics up on the board by the end of the week.:D

Why is the Z/28 higher in price/performance than the SS?
Am I the only one that thinks thats backwards?

Everything looks good though, although where are you getting your LS4 numbers from, or did you make them up for the sake seeing your ideal combo's. I'm not trying to call you out or anything I just want to know if those engines exist or not, and if they do, I want to read up on them :D

And hopefully by then GM will have GM Performance Parts available that can be rolled into your financing. Thus, you could get a Supercharged LS2 Z/28 if you wanted it. So how would a 475-500hp brand new Camaro sound? :D

Remember, a factory installed modification would not break Chevy's Corvette rule, because the Z/28 would still be rated at a stock 400hp

I know, probably only a dream ;)

BTW stars, decent lineup, just add t-tops to the option list for the v6. And congrats on the GTP, those suckers can be made to be quick little cars for cheap. Check out www.3800performance.com if the mod bug happens to bite you.

Originally posted by x94_Camaro_Z28x
Why is the Z/28 higher in price/performance than the SS?
Am I the only one that thinks thats backwards?


Please dont open that can of worms. :no: :no:

(Because the Z28 should be the top Camaro, that's the way it's supposed to be)

I say T-Tops on the Z28, but no convertable. There'll probably be a few options unavailable on the Z28 that you can get on the SS because of what the Z28 will be made for, along with that IMO should be the no convertable option.

I didn't know that it was such a sensitive subject, I was under the impression that the SS was always the more powerful/more expensive package. My mistake.

We'll let you go this time. ;)

Originally posted by x94_Camaro_Z28x
I didn't know that it was such a sensitive subject, I was under the impression that the SS was always the more powerful/more expensive package. My mistake.
Whenever there was an SS and Z28 at the same time, the SS did have at least one engine that was "rated" higher than the Z... The problem always occurs when you try to say which one is really the "best one." Most people assume the SS was because of the rating, and because it was the best during the 4th Gen, albeit by a small margin.

The SS is the cruser, and the Z28 is the racer.

I think that Ttops should be available in all models. I also would like to see SS's get the LS2 as people want a fully optioned car, they dont want to be paying for a 2nd rate engine. Have more race options in the Z28. If not Recaro's, then at least more supportive seats, larger brakes, and other sport options. On star can be an option on all cars, but I know I dont want OnStar yelling at me for taking a turn at 70 or zipping down the 1320.

What GM has to do is give different personalities to each model. They are all Camaros, but each has its own personality. SC has a very fuel-smart V6 with double overdrive trans, but there are options for stereos and other stuff to customize it.
Z28 has a racing personality, SS has a cruser personality.

Originally posted by Big Als Z
The SS is the cruser, and the Z28 is the racer.

I think that Ttops should be available in all models. I also would like to see SS's get the LS2 as people want a fully optioned car, they dont want to be paying for a 2nd rate engine. Have more race options in the Z28. If not Recaro's, then at least more supportive seats, larger brakes, and other sport options. On star can be an option on all cars, but I know I dont want OnStar yelling at me for taking a turn at 70 or zipping down the 1320.

What GM has to do is give different personalities to each model. They are all Camaros, but each has its own personality. SC has a very fuel-smart V6 with double overdrive trans, but there are options for stereos and other stuff to customize it.
Z28 has a racing personality, SS has a cruser personality.

Yup. Except for the better half of the 4th generation, the SS was indeed the cruiser and the Z/28 the racer. Z/28 was built specifically to compete in the Trans America. In order for this to happen they had to make it a production car. 602 qualified it as production but it was kept a big secret because they didn't really want customers to come in and buy the car, and complain about the lack of power steering, AC and the harsh ride. They quickly saw that the consumer didn't care.

For the newbies on the SS vs Z28 debate...

What GM has done in the last 20 years or so is more or less intentionally place the Z28 behind whatever hotter model they had at the time, specifically the IROC and the SS.

My position is, and this mainly implies to the 4th gens, is that the Z28 was really nothing more than a base Camaro w/ a V8 option (w/ the associated hardware to back it up). Exact same body, same wheels, everything. Then here comes the SS, and it instantly has a presence, an attitude that is a hit right off the bat. And the Z28 became what you got if you couldn't afford an SS. I for one don't want the Z/28 name to be second fiddle, but at the same time, the SS should have it's place. So what most of us have decided is that the Z28 should be more than the base car w/ a V8, so as to not live in the shadow of the SS. The only way to really do that is to put it on equal footing w/ the SS, but give it it's own character separate from what you'd get w/ the SS. Hence the hardcore performance image. It would be for the guys and gals who spend tons of money on catbacks, lids, suspension, wheels, gears, ect. You trade the expensive options like leather and t-tops for the performance hardware. The price would be somewhere in the neighborhood of the SS, and would perform a bit better, but Chevy could still market the SS as the top dog, if not in performance, then in styling and overall desireablility. Most folks wouldn't know a brembo from a doughnut. The ones that do, would get a Z28 :thumb:. If you use the 4th gen example...load up 2 cars w/ options. Give one the SS package. The other one, w/out the SS package, and delete the T-tops and Leather (about $1500 as I recall), and you've got $5400-$5500 to spend on performance parts to get to the price of the loaded SS. Thats a lot of performance.

Not trying to speak for everyone on the board, this is just the history of the debate in a nutshell. We'll find out in a few years if any of it was worth it.