Because pro-GM stuff is few and far between...

Big Als Z
07-02-2004, 01:17 AM
From Edmunds.com

First Drive: 2005 Cadillac STS
A Fitting Final Piece

By Ed Hellwig
Date posted: 07-01-2004

When Cadillac introduced its Evoq concept car over five years ago, it was a clear signal that it was no longer business as usual at GM's premier luxury brand. Fins and flabby rides were clearly out. In their place would be sleek, distinctive cars that delivered equal parts luxury and performance — or so the sales pitch went.

Since then, Cadillac has made good on the promise of the Evoq by introducing a string of new vehicles that not only wear similarly distinctive lines but deliver equally attention-getting performance. First, it was the in-your-face Escalade in 2002, followed up by the hard-edged CTS sedan a year later. The conversion continued with the SRX crossover and the XLR roadster (the production version of the Evoq) shortly thereafter. And now, in what Cadillac calls the final piece of the puzzle, comes the fully redesigned STS flagship, a sedan that may be a little late to the revival but no less important to its success.

In fact, after driving several preproduction versions of the STS, we think Cadillac may have been saving the best for last. Unlike the previous Seville STS that lacked the refinement, performance and aesthetic appeal necessary to compete against the best from Europe and Japan, the 2005 STS (the Seville name has been dropped) is a slick-looking, no-excuses package that gives up nothing to its competition.

Defining who that competition is exactly can be a little more difficult. Like the CTS, the slightly larger STS doesn't fit squarely into the well-defined size categories of the luxury class. It's slightly bigger than most midsize luxury sedans in both length and wheelbase, yet with a starting price of around $41,000, it's positioned to contend with a number of considerably smaller import competitors. With V6 or V8 power and available all-wheel drive, the STS can effectively compete with everything from a base model BMW 5 Series to a Mercedes-Benz E500 4Matic.

And we're not just talking price, either, as the STS delivers a level of performance that places it alongside the world's best without qualifications. Utilizing the same rear-wheel-drive Sigma platform as the CTS and SRX, the STS now has the setup required of a proper performance luxury sedan. It also boasts one of the stiffest frame structures in the industry, yet the car's mass was kept to a minimum through the careful use of lightweight components. With a curb weight of 3,921 pounds, a V8 STS is only about 100 pounds heavier than a comparably equipped 5 Series sedan despite its larger size. Add to that a nearly endless list of advanced chassis, suspension and drivetrain technologies, and you can begin to see why the STS is now the best car in Cadillac's lineup.

The lack of overbearing weight gives the STS a far more nimble feel than its dimensions might suggest. It's not exactly sport sedan-quick in its movements, but with only moderate body roll in corners and minimal dive under braking the STS can be pushed hard without losing its composure. With the rear wheels providing the power, Cadillac's engineers were free to focus on the kind of precise steering feel that's nearly impossible to achieve with front-wheel drive. The result is a delicate feel through the steering wheel without a numb on-center sensation or overly aggressive assistance. It's not perfect just yet, but combined with the solid chassis, it's one of Cadillac's best setups to date.

The Magnetic Ride control (MR) system that was first introduced on the previous-generation STS remains an option for those who desire some adjustability in the vehicle's ride quality. With two different settings to choose from, it can be tailored for either day-to-day comfort or back-road performance. We found either setting capable of handling most situations, but the sport mode does sharpen things up a bit. For the dedicated enthusiast, there's also a new sport package offered that serves up variable-ratio steering, heavy-duty brake linings and high-performance 18-inch Michelin Pilot Sport rubber.

As impressive as the STS is when it comes to ride and handling, the aspect of the car that impressed us the most was the drivetrain. Whether it was the surprising power of the base V6 or the smooth delivery of the Northstar V8, we found little to complain about under the hood. Both power plants use advanced overhead cam designs and variable valve timing to deliver broad power bands and refined operation.

With 255 horsepower and 252 pound-feet of torque, the standard 3.6-liter, six-cylinder engine is able to get the big sedan up to speed with surprising gusto. Unlike some of its competitors whose six-cylinder offerings provide merely adequate performance, the V6 in the STS rarely feels underpowered. It doesn't snap off the line like the bigger V8, but with solid midrange torque and a willingness to push hard to the redline, it's more entertaining than you might expect.

Step up to the 4.6-liter V8 and the STS really shows its mettle. With 320 hp and 315 lb-ft of torque, there's more than enough power to make this car feel quick. Cadillac claims a 0-to-60-mph time of less than six seconds and it feels that fast behind the wheel. Some of the credit has to go to the standard five-speed automatic transmission, as it serves up perfectly executed shifts no matter how hard the pedal is pressed. Eight-cylinder models also offer the option of all-wheel drive for those who live in harsher climates. The added weight of the extra hardware slows things down a bit, but you would be hard-pressed to detect the system's presence during everyday driving. It's yet another sign of just how well the drivetrain components work together to help push the STS up another notch when it comes to overall performance and refinement.

Much the same could be said about the interior of the STS. This is an area where Cadillac has never put its best foot forward, but the STS shows signs that progress is finally being made. Panel fitment was generally good and the underlying structure seemed solid even in our preproduction test cars. The wood trim is richer-looking than before, and the seat materials feel a grade higher. Given that a few of the interior pieces weren't quite production quality, we'll reserve our final judgment for now, but our initial impressions were of a cabin that looks and feels as it should in a sedan of this class.

Beyond the more simplistic renovations, the STS also incorporates a vast array of high-tech features buried within its spacious cabin. A push of the remote button can not only start the car from up to 200 feet away, it can also activate the climate control system to heat or cool the vehicle depending on the outside temperature. Once inside, the driver can get information through a four-color head-up display projected onto the windshield while every occupant can enjoy the sounds of an optional 15-speaker Bose 5.1 surround sound audio system. Other options include a DVD-based navigation system with an eight-inch color screen, Bluetooth wireless cell phone connectivity and an Intellibeam headlight system that automatically switches between high and low beams according to oncoming traffic.

Needless to say, the STS has been designed to go heads up with the most technologically advanced vehicles in the world. Better yet, it is also endowed with the more fundamental requirements of a true luxury car like a sturdy chassis, precise steering and the latest drivetrain technology. Throw in the fact that it wears Cadillac's design language better than any other car in the lineup, and the STS rightfully deserves its place as Cadillac's flagship sedan. It may not be as nimble as the CTS or as flashy as an XLR, but for buyers looking for a complete package of luxury and performance, the STS is Cadillac's best offering yet.


:bow: Caddy :bow: Cant wait for the V!! :metal:

SNEAKY NEIL
07-02-2004, 08:07 AM
Yeah, I read that too. Always love hearing about thier success, especially since they are my favorite brand right now.

Darth Xed
07-02-2004, 08:35 AM
Cadillac... there is not a hotter brand in the world right now.

This really has been an historic turn around.

SFireGT98
07-02-2004, 09:27 AM
:thumb:

Now time to see the V series of their cars come out. We get all the good stuff they already have out, plus alot more performance. Works for me.

guionM
07-02-2004, 02:36 PM
You'd have to have your head in your "neather reigons" to not be very impressed with the image & product turnaround at Cadillac. :bow:

But you'd be pretty shocked to know that not only was former Cadillac boss John Middlebrook the instrament in getting this going (the unfortunate thing about GM is that by the time a car makes it to the showroom, many people responsible have moved on). None other than former GM CEO Ron Zarella who ran blocker, gave all out support, and gave Middlebrook a "card blanche" to scoop up whoever he needed to redo Cadillac's designing.

Hate the big guy or not, the Cadillac we see today happened because of the same guy who starved new car funds to finance trucks, killed off the "B" body, had a role in ending the F-body, and a few other things we enthusiasts wouldn't really cheer over.

Guess everyone has good & bad sides. :)

AdioSS
07-02-2004, 04:16 PM
now Caddy needs to offer a twin turbo diesel along with the V to make the STS a true world car :D

formula79
07-02-2004, 04:34 PM
My only issue with Caddy is they have taken too long to get products to market. Art and Science was introduced 5 years ago, and is getting dated...also, the STS is the least exciting use of it yet.

96_Camaro_B4C
07-02-2004, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by formula79
My only issue with Caddy is they have taken too long to get products to market. Art and Science was introduced 5 years ago, and is getting dated...also, the STS is the least exciting use of it yet. Well, sort of. True that Art & Science was introduced as a styling concept that long ago, but the first model to actually carry it to market was the CTS, entering its 3rd model year. And the STS is different enough to avoid being "dated". IMO, the Cadillacs are very unique and identifiable from other cars. That makes it hard for them to be dated, in a way. BMW and Mercedes keep the same general styling trends for eons, and they still look good. How long has the current 3 been out? The 5 before that? The 7 before that? Same basic styling theme (until Bangle decided to wreck them all)...

Darth Xed
07-02-2004, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by formula79
My only issue with Caddy is they have taken too long to get products to market. Art and Science was introduced 5 years ago, and is getting dated...also, the STS is the least exciting use of it yet.

Introduced in concept form? Yes... but the first A&S production car, CTS, was a MY2003 intro.

Getting CTS, SRX, XLR, and STS all out within three model years is pretty darn good by any standard.

In fact, any quicker, and it would probably be too fast, and confusing to the customer, and no single product would have significant solo time in the spotlight.

I also don't see how A&S looks "dated" :confused: Quite the opposite, it's one of the freshest themes out there.

formula79
07-02-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Darth Xed
I also don't see how A&S looks "dated" :confused: Quite the opposite, it's one of the freshest themes out there.

Maybe you don't agree...but IMO it is getting stale. we have been seeing the styling now for 5 years....it needs evolution to keep the publics imagination...and not to the softening the STS got over the CTS.

Also A&S is like retro in the idea of how do you evolve it? The whole value in A&S is is it's newness and freshness. Do you replace it with another radical design and scare away buyers whose interest you just gained? Or do you eveolve it (ala Sixteen), and hope it still stays fashionable.

While A&S is obviously not retro....it reminds me of the Ford Thunderbird situation...where they debuted the car 2-3 years before they actually produced it. It created a situation where the public bored very quicky with it....even though they do that with most retro cars.

Big Als Z
07-03-2004, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by guionM
You'd have to have your head in your "neather reigons" to not be very impressed with the image & product turnaround at Cadillac. :bow:

But you'd be pretty shocked to know that not only was former Cadillac boss John Middlebrook the instrament in getting this going (the unfortunate thing about GM is that by the time a car makes it to the showroom, many people responsible have moved on). None other than former GM CEO Ron Zarella who ran blocker, gave all out support, and gave Middlebrook a "card blanche" to scoop up whoever he needed to redo Cadillac's designing.

Hate the big guy or not, the Cadillac we see today happened because of the same guy who starved new car funds to finance trucks, killed off the "B" body, had a role in ending the F-body, and a few other things we enthusiasts wouldn't really cheer over.

Guess everyone has good & bad sides. :)

I guess. Hitler did get the Autoban done, and made the trains run on time... despite the other stuff....

30thZ286speed
07-03-2004, 04:21 AM
I just read the Motor Trend test of the STS vs. BMW 5-series. MT is starting to get just as bad as Car and Driver on nitpicking about stupid stuff, and writing stuff that makes no sense.

In the test they state that the BMW out handles the STS in there performance tests. Later in the article they talk about how good the STS suspension is with the magnetic shocks system. And the STS is the first car offer 2 setting with the system, Touring or Performance. They stated that they used the Touring setting in there performance testing to get more of a real world results :confused: :confused: Ok, this makes no sense to me, the purpose of performance tests is to see what the capablilities of the car are. So they did not test the STS to is full capabilities, thus making the car look not as impressive that it might have been if they used the performance mode.

I really don't understand there logic.

Darth Xed
07-03-2004, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by formula79
Maybe you don't agree...but IMO it is getting stale. we have been seeing the styling now for 5 years....it needs evolution to keep the publics imagination...and not to the softening the STS got over the CTS.

Also A&S is like retro in the idea of how do you evolve it? The whole value in A&S is is it's newness and freshness. Do you replace it with another radical design and scare away buyers whose interest you just gained? Or do you eveolve it (ala Sixteen), and hope it still stays fashionable.

While A&S is obviously not retro....it reminds me of the Ford Thunderbird situation...where they debuted the car 2-3 years before they actually produced it. It created a situation where the public bored very quicky with it....even though they do that with most retro cars.


Cadillac sales are getting stronger every quarter!

Seriously, what is a fresher theme out there... from ANY manufacturer?

onefastz28
07-03-2004, 11:38 PM
i love my caddy

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/151256/uglydamncar.JPG

morb|d
07-04-2004, 09:03 AM
another few years of this and you can finally say "the standard of the world" of Caddy again, with a straight face that is...

30thZ286speed
07-07-2004, 11:00 AM
Anybody else read that Motor Trend test?

SharpShooter_SS
07-07-2004, 11:22 AM
Origianlly posted by Darth Xed

Seriously, what is a fresher theme out there... from ANY manufacturer?

"Flame Surfaced" styling by BMW is pretty fresh.... wait a minute.... hmmm, if Caddy's A&S theme is ugly, then BMW's new look is just plain hideous! Thumbs up to Cadillac for taking a positive step outside the design mold.

BigDarknFast
07-07-2004, 12:29 PM
It's truly refreshing, for once, to see a thread celebrating one of GM's successes. Caddy is leading the way, toward performance and new style in GM cars. :cool:

Big Als Z
07-07-2004, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by 30thZ286speed
Anybody else read that Motor Trend test?

Yep, there were many pro-GM reviews in there, namly the STS and Equinox which beat out the Ford Escape, Vue Redline and Santa Fe.

SFireGT98
07-07-2004, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Big Als Z
Yep, there were many pro-GM reviews in there, namly the STS and Equinox which beat out the Ford Escape, Vue Redline and Santa Fe.

I read that as well. Seems they really liked the Equinox a lot.