No more Cobalt SS

Looks like GM dropped the 2.4L 170hp Cobalt SS (both coupe and sedan)

Oh well, as long as they are still making the s/c SS its all good
http://www.chevrolet.com/cobalt/

Cobalt SS (http://www.co59.com)

Interesting. There seems to be little difference (at least in content) between the LS coupe and the base model. Why not put the 170 HP version of the Ecotec in the LS?

This is what GM listed on April 1, 2004 (http://www.co59.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7&mode=&order=0&thold=0)

Seems GM has changed a bit on the SS. The Impala & Monte Carlo non-supercharged versions have been dropped for 2005 as well.

Originally posted by guionM
Seems GM has changed a bit on the SS. The Impala & Monte Carlo non-supercharged versions have been dropped for 2005 as well.

Ya, the Monte SS now becomes the Monte LT.

I think this is probably a good move... less confusing to the general buyer.

I think it is a good move. It seems to place the SS with more value by doing away with the SS badged base models. I could see different SS models if they offered something substantial that could not be ordered on any other model.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Ya, the Monte SS now becomes the Monte LT.

I think this is probably a good move... less confusing to the general buyer.

Agreed...you'll know the SS is the hot one now. No more SCSS :p

i think that's a good move, it moves current SS cars closer to their histoical place in the line up, i.e. the top performers.

I was waiting for GM to fix that. The Cobalt LT should get the 2.4 when it comes on line.

The Ecotec seems to be getting some attention just like the Quad4 did...

While I'm not going to say the Quad4s where all that great, they did make a fair amount of HP for their day.

I'll refer to the DOHC Quads, not the SOHCs...

They made a DOHC LO: 150-160hp depending on year
DOHC HO: 170-180 again, depending on year

and a DOHC W41: 91-93 185-190hp depending on year

It was neat that you had options.

I feel that with today's econoboxes making 130ish power and delivery decent mileage, GM needs to step it up a notch and make the 170hp model standard and keep the price low.

Rather than say, Civic with 120hp or Cobalt with 140hp, they can say 170hp vs 120.

Its a mental game but as well all know, import market is dominating small car sales lately and if GM wants to compete with the non-SS version, they've got to step it up.

Although, all I'm doing is talking - Its not like GM is listening to anything a consumer says. :)

So Chevy SS's will now only come with a supercharged option???

What about Silverado SS? SSR? And our favorite C-word??? :D

Originally posted by jg95z28
So Chevy SS's will now only come with a supercharged option???

What about Silverado SS? SSR? And our favorite C-word??? :D


:D I think it just means that the top performance car will be SS....





















:p

I was wondering if the Cobalt would follow suit when the non supercharged SS's got dropped. So is there going to be a Cobalt LT coupe too?

So with the SS's getting supercharged (at least the 4 and 6 cyl)and the mid-range models getting the LT badge, could we possibly see a return of the Camaro Type LT? :p

Originally posted by jg95z28
So Chevy SS's will now only come with a supercharged option???

What about Silverado SS? SSR? And our favorite C-word??? :D


"SS" in the future will have engines not available in any other model of that vehicle's line up. This comes straight from Chevrolet, so it was a small wonder why Impala, Monte Carlo, & Colbalt were going to have an engine available in other models.

SSR gets a 6.0 LS2 next year, as does the Trailblazer SS. The Silverado SS seems likely to get a supercharger.

As for the "C" word, I'll just say the quick model the 1st year isn't likely to have a "Z" anywhere in the name. ;)

Originally posted by guionM
As for the "C" word, I'll just say the quick model the 1st year isn't likely to have a "Z" anywhere in the name. ;)

As long as that Z model shows up within the first 2-3 years of the car's existence, I'm sure people can deal with SS being on top for a few years. Maybe the 5th gen with this formula could satisfy both members of the SSvsZ28 debate then? ;) :D

Good news :) Keep the SS's "ora" a little bit better.

So let me get this straight.....

Only a 2.2 140hp or a 2.0 S/C

No 2.4L at all?

This is beyond stupid if true. A N/A SS is a nice gap between the two, in both price and perfromance. While the idea of a S/C 2.0 is nice I don't want to blow 30K on one (CDN$)--a 24K ish 2.4L SS coupe seemed nicer on the pocketbook.

I have no problem with a SS and SC/SS.

And LT sounds dumb. Probably won't look sporty at all and be lucky to have 16's, with no handling package. I was thinking of a 4 door NA SS with 17's for the gf next car.

The Coblat promised a very diverse model lineup but not anymore.

Would a good reason for this being canceled Ford dropping the SVT Focus???

Originally posted by guesswhoo
Would a good reason for this being canceled Ford dropping the SVT Focus???

Not a chance. I have no idea what Chevys reasons are but am sure they had nothing to do with the SVT Focus cancellation.
Remember--all of SVT is on hiatus. (GT is an SVT product though)

Originally posted by 305fan
So let me get this straight.....

Only a 2.2 140hp or a 2.0 S/C



you got that right. Only a 2.2 and a 2.0L s/c

This is what GM had listed April 1st 2004 (http://www.co59.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7&mode=&order=0&thold=0). Now they dont even have the SS in a Sedan, only 2dr.

Originally posted by guionM
...As for the "C" word, I'll just say the quick model the 1st year isn't likely to have a "Z" anywhere in the name. ;) As long as we get word of the "Z" before we can begin ordering "C-SS"es, and as long as the "Z" comes within 12-24 months after the return of the "C", I will be happy... and waiting. ;)

Can we please stop with the "C" and the "Z" bs?

say it with me...Camaro...Z28... Camaro...Z28.

Soooo if the SS is going to get an engine that no other model inthe line up will get, what is gunna go on with the SS and Z28? Will the SS Camaro be like the rest of the SS line and be the top performance model, or will the Z rule fix that? Its kind of odd to do a 180 from the rest of the line up.
If there is an SS model, then that seems to be the higher performance, no matter what history said.
Not saying that SS>Z28, but with the way things are shapping up, and Chevy kind of priding its rep on the SS cars, (SS concept, SSR, SS Silvy, SS Cobalt, SS Monte, SS Impy)... it just seems a little tough to think that the SS wont be the top performance car.

and the 2.4 will be available when the engine comes on line later next year. There is no 2.4 for the G6 either, and as of right now the Solstice has no engine. Thats probably whats holding it up.

Originally posted by Big Als Z
Its kind of odd to do a 180 from the rest of the line up. Corvette??? :D

Originally posted by jg95z28
Corvette??? :D

The Corvette does not have an SS model. You can say corvette, but how about the rest of the other cars with the SS? There are no Z models for them?

Not saying that I dont want the Z be the top performance model, but if there is an SS model in Chevy's line up...that seems to be top.

I'd like to see the 2.4 engine offered on the base car cause I think that would be somewhat of a sleeper car with a 2.4 in it. Also you could probally get it for a reasonable price if you just got the base and added the 2.4 engine. But that seems unlikley

Originally posted by Big Als Z
The Corvette does not have an SS model.

Are you sure about that? :p

Originally posted by Meccadeth
Are you sure about that? :p

last time I checked there is no present Vette SS that is made by GM.

I think a 2.4 Cobalt LT would make for a great car, and keep it priced along with the tC which seems to be another runner in the sport compact division.

Originally posted by jg95z28
As long as we get word of the "Z" before we can begin ordering "C-SS"es, and as long as the "Z" comes within 12-24 months after the return of the "C", I will be happy... and waiting. ;)

I'm sure specifics will be leaking out on "Z" before "C-SS" hits the showroom.

Look at it this way.....you can't buy a C6 yet, but look at how much we know about Z06 already. Floating around already are specifics like 500 hp and 489 ft/lbs of torque.

I'll bet we'll have a good idea about Z/28....pretty early on. BTW, I'm thinking it'll be more like a 24 month wait. Less would of course, be better.:metal:

If Chevy does make a Z28 and SS Camaro, what is different to make people think the SS wouldn't be tops again just like during the 4thgen? Makes sense anyway, when in the past has the Z28 ever outperformed the SS (top SS model) at least straight line/general performance wise?

I'm all for dropping the weaker SS models, I have not liked the idea of that ever since I heard of it... However I wish they'd just go ahead and do the S/Ced 2.4l in the Cobalt SS...

Originally posted by Ray86IROC
If Chevy does make a Z28 and SS Camaro, what is different to make people think the SS wouldn't be tops again just like during the 4thgen?



What's different? Hmmmm.......how about everything!

Getting back to this Cobalt SS thing....I'm not quite sure how I feel about it.

On the one hand...I can see how reserving the SS name for the top engined Cobalt only... would be useful. On the other hand, having a less expensive 170 hp SS sedan and coupe could have been a good strategy too. SS cannot be compared to SVT or SRT with the same brush stroke. SS is about performance..yes. But it is also about volume (unlike SVT or SRT).

The normally aspirated SS versions would have been very attainable and would have exposed more first time buyers to the "SS" brand.

Somehow, saying: " I'm gonna take down that Scion in my Cobalt LT"...doesn't have quite the same ring as "Cobalt SS".

Originally posted by Z284ever
I'm sure specifics will be leaking out on "Z" before "C-SS" hits the showroom.


I kinda want GM to bring back the GTZ trim levels...

The Beretta GTZ and the Mitsu Galant GTZ are the only two uses of the GTZ distinction in US market (at least within a number of years). I think its time for another......

Cobalt GTZ sounds so much freakin' meaner than Cobalt LT.

The distinction "LT" makes me think of a Ford LTD... LTZ doesn't sound so bad but............. GTZ..... muhahah

how about using a different designation and the 170HP engine. ..

Cobalt RS
Cobalt Sport (so super sport would be above it logically)
Cobalt GT (too much blue oval influence so I wouldnt choose it)
Cobalt Rally
Cobalt Pro
Cobalt GTS

RS would work quite well I think....

Originally posted by ced8
how about using a different designation and the 170HP engine. ..

Cobalt RS
Cobalt Sport (so super sport would be above it logically)
Cobalt GT (too much blue oval influence so I wouldnt choose it)
Cobalt Rally
Cobalt Pro
Cobalt GTS

I like RS the best, Sport would be ok too

Rally would work if it had AWD
Save GT for Pontiacs
GTS makes me think Viper, I think GTS sounds like it should be above SS.

What about Z24 ????

I dunno.

RS = I still have a bad taste in my mouth over the "performance" of the 3rdgen Camaro RS's (save B4C models) and the Cavalier RS ones too. blech...

Cobalt Sport = Too much negative connotation(sp?) to the current LS Sport Cavalier models)
Cobalt GT (too much blue oval influence so I wouldnt choose it)
Cobalt Rally = unless its 4wd, nah
Cobalt Pro = sounds like a table saw
Cobalt GTS = Viper or Toyota connections (Corolla GTS; Celica GTS)

Those are just my personal opinions, thus why I think GTZ would fit perfectly. :)

RS
Z24?
GTZ

I think either would work but I would like to get a Cobalt with the 2.4 to replace my Chevy Corsica with my daily driver it would have around the same amount of torque in and probally a little more horsepower with the V6 plus a new top quality chevy car I could own.

It doesn't surprise me they're dropping the 2.4 from the SS. Chevrolet was never happy with the meagre 170 hp output of the 2.4 and had concerns about marketing it as an SS.

Originally posted by R377
It doesn't surprise me they're dropping the 2.4 from the SS. Chevrolet was never happy with the meagre 170 hp output of the 2.4 and had concerns about marketing it as an SS.

How do you know they were unhappy with the 170hp form the 2.4L?

That output is ahead of Toyotas, Mistsubishis, Chryslers and Hondas (except for the 200hp one) and it beats them all in torque.

Given the fact that Car and Driver got 15.5 in the 1/4 mile from
a Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart (162hp 162lbs-ft) I would bet a Cobalt 2.4L could improve on that a bit.

That would make it faster then the 3800 NA Monte SS they have been building for years. So its not like a 2.4L 5 speed would be slow.


Does it have to be "SS" for me? No
Just keep the whole package (appearnce, wheels, engine)
RS would do.

A $16,000-$17,000, 170 hp Cobalt SS would have matched a SCION tC pretty well...and probably slightly outmuscled it.

Maybe GM isn't all that serious about competing with Toyota.

Originally posted by Z284ever
A $16,000-$17,000, 170 hp Cobalt SS would have matched a SCION tC pretty well...and probably slightly outmuscled it.

Maybe GM isn't all that serious about competing with Toyota.

The 2.4 Cobalt will still stick it to the tC. Id doesnt need an SS badge to do it.

Originally posted by Big Als Z
The 2.4 Cobalt will still stick it to the tC. Id doesnt need an SS badge to do it.

Check the website. NO 2.4 COBALT!

Originally posted by Dante93GTZ
I kinda want GM to bring back the GTZ trim levels...

The Beretta GTZ and the Mitsu Galant GTZ are the only two uses of the GTZ distinction in US market (at least within a number of years). I think its time for another......

Cobalt GTZ sounds so much freakin' meaner than Cobalt LT.

The distinction "LT" makes me think of a Ford LTD... LTZ doesn't sound so bad but............. GTZ..... muhahah

I don't think Chevy's SS strategy really leaves room for a Cobalt GTZ.

But if it did....it should be the spiritual successor to the Beretta GTZ. That would require the same doctrine used on the Beretta GTZ.....which was, according to Chevrolet... "Create the best handling FWD in the world".

In the late '80s, the GTZ had 180 hp. What does that translate to, a decade and a half later? 280HP?

Now we're talking Cobalt GTZ!:cool:

Originally posted by Z284ever
Check the website. NO 2.4 COBALT!

For now, till the 2.4 goes on line for production.