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2006 Dodge Charger 6.1 Hemi 400+ HP
« Thread started on: Jun 27th, 2004, 4:31pm »

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Hey guys I work at the Brampton Assembly Plant in Brampton, Ontario.

Many of the workers have seen the new Charger I have yet to see it. But those who've seen it say it looks amazing. However, I work in Underbody near Trim/Chasis/Final and I have seen the new 6.1Litre Hemi engines. We were all crowding around them when we saw them. To sum it up, all the people who own eggbeater Civics, Accords, Mustangs, g35s, GTO's, whatever.


YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SAY YOUR PRAYERS CUZ THIS ENGINE WILL KNOCK YOU SKIRTS OFF YOUR CAR JUST AS IT GOES BY. 410 Horsepower is what we are dealing with. yeah thats right. The current 5.7 on the 300C and Magnum we produce at the plant has 345 Hp 5.7. The 6.1 is the mother engine and will come with 2 keys. One for your dad and one for your son. Meaning your kids will be governed.



This is what happens when Germans take over a failing American brand. Mercedes is responsible. Hail Dieter, CEO!


Currently at our plant, they are going to introduce a new shift because we can not keep up with demand. We are 70 000 cars (300, 300c, Magnum) behind schedule. Also the new police cars will be Magnums with 5.7 hemis.

Whats next:

Chrsyler Crossfire SRT
Dodge Slingshot
Chrsyler ME Supercar

Ford who? GM who?

little do people know, how nazi-like the damn PCM programmers were, when they made them
hemi car's might be quick, stock for stock, but Im laughing my @ss off since they cant even add a camshaft, let alone remove emission equipment :D :D

You got that right. July, Superchips finaaaallly should release their programmer. It will override that insidious TCM which shifts my truck lazily into fifth on the freeway. I don't have to remove or cut wires now if I want to lay two black streaks of rubber. And, it finally makes sense to install the Headers by Doug Thorley that I bought over six months ago. I hope the APS 2700 stakk convertor will work with the headers, cat back, CAI and the computer to make all of this stuff work.

That guy cracks me up. It's cool he's excited about Chrysler's new product but he probably doesn't know what's coming from Ford and GM either. Are they really going to produce the Slingshot? Looked like a roller skate, and if the concept's 90 HP engine makes it to production yes I know I will be shaking in my skivvies. :lol:

I don't recall Chrysler being a "failing" American brand when the Germans took over, er "merged with an equal". Yeah, that's right.

Woah, 410 hp... now that's earth shaking, esp since the Corvette hasnt been doing it for three years now.

It'll be a cool engine, no doubt, but this guy is a little over excited I think.

Since when did GM start sticking the ls6 into impallas?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Aeromaks
Since when did GM start sticking the ls6 into impallas?:rolleyes:

Exactly! This isn't a Corvette, it's a 4 seater "coupe" (4 doors, but coupe appearance). 410 HP is very impressive considering the market the car is going into. Just pray that the GTO's LS2 comes with that kind of power. Ford will be showing up a little late with the Cobra, but latest rumor (and from a Ford tech) is 450 HP 5.4L most likely underrated.

Originally posted by PaperTarget
Exactly! This isn't a Corvette, it's a 4 seater "coupe" (4 doors, but coupe appearance). 410 HP is very impressive considering the market the car is going into. Just pray that the GTO's LS2 comes with that kind of power. Ford will be showing up a little late with the Cobra, but latest rumor (and from a Ford tech) is 450 HP 5.4L most likely underrated.

With the '05 GTO receiving the LS2, I would imagine it'll be in the neighborhood of the Vette's 400hp regardless of what it is rated at (likely 380 or so?). With the Corvette likely to raise the bar in a couple years, I'd see the GTO following it northward in hp.

Nothing like good competition, though. The Camaro will be resurrected only to find a completely different performance landscape from the one it left.

Originally posted by jrp4uc
With the '05 GTO receiving the LS2, I would imagine it'll be in the neighborhood of the Vette's 400hp regardless of what it is rated at (likely 380 or so?). With the Corvette likely to raise the bar in a couple years, I'd see the GTO following it northward in hp.

Nothing like good competition, though. The Camaro will be resurrected only to find a completely different performance landscape from the one it left.

GTO will be rated at 400HP, a press release was already leaked.

Next year Ford will be the only one without a 400HP RWD coupe.:p

Originally posted by Z28x
Next year Ford will be the only one without a 400HP RWD coupe.:p

Saving the best for last ;) (puts flame suit on)

Originally posted by PaperTarget
Saving the best for last ;) (puts flame suit on)
More like flamer suit!

I'm just kidding!
/Fericito

Oh, I must have missed the press release that it's only cool when you make 400 hp in a family car. Oh wait, I forgot that the LS6 is in the CTSv, too. My fault.

*edit* I should reiterate that its cool what they're doing, but I dont think its as earth shattering as this man is making it out to be. 400 hp is 400 hp, regardless, but this isnt rasing the bar in the engine area except the performance-per-dollar issue.

No sure what to make of the guy. Either he's a very young newly hired person whose experience or knowledge with cars previously stopped at Hondas, or he has long term memory loss.

The Germans at Chrysler layed off massive amounts of his co-workers (over 1/3 of it's workforce if memory serves), refused to release any new products thet weren't too far along in development from 1999 till they had a change of heart last summer.

Daimler bought Chrysler primarily to get their hands on Jeep. The German arm of Chrysler took Chrysler's warchest estimated at nearly $7,000,000,000 (yep, that's BILLION, and used it to redo the Mercedes Benz lineup and to help finance Smart, putting Chrysler in a position where when they needed cash, they didn't have cash. (here's the company Daimler bought when they bought Chrysler: http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_chrysler_claims_recessionproof ).

Although before the 300C and the SRT-4, there wasn't anything I'd actually buy from Chrysler, they were still a extremely successful company, making more per car than everyone else, and having a seemingly continuous supply of fresh products that were unlike anything else anyone else was offering.

That goes without mentioning that the other 2 US automakers have had 400+ horse engines for at least the past few years

It's a shame that guy's unaware of all this. :no:

Originally posted by PaperTarget
Saving the best for last ;) (puts flame suit on)

400HP GTO = Fall 2004
410HP Charger = Spring/summer 2005
400HP+ Mustang = Summer/Fall 2006
400HP LS2 Z28 = 2007 :p

They did not "buy" chrysler. As was stated, it was a "merger of equals". As a matter of fact, Chrysler was is charger for a while. They took over when the Chrysler stock took a dump and things were going bad.

Originally posted by Z28x

400HP LS2 Z28 = 2007 :p


Aim higher.

Originally posted by falchulk
They did not "buy" chrysler. As was stated, it was a "merger of equals". As a matter of fact, Chrysler was is charger for a while. They took over when the Chrysler stock took a dump and things were going bad.

As a long time Chrysler stock holder, allow me to straighten up a few things for you, since I think you are operating from quite a few misconceptions here.

1. Chrysler was on one hell of a roll when Mercedes BOUGHT Chrysler. Chrysler just set an all time record in 1996 of
over 2.4 million vehicles.

2. Chrysler had a record breaking 3rd quarter earnings of 680 million dollars in 1996. Chrysler was rolling in so much cash that they repurchased $452 million of its common stock!

3. In 1997, the final year of Chrysler's "independence" it bought back over $2 billion of it's own stock! Chrysler closed 1997 with $6.5 billion, new LH cars that were a early sales success, and was rumored to be intrested in buying Rover off of BMW.

To contrast that 6.5 billion the relatively small Chrysler Corperation made in 1997, consider GM made 6.7 and Ford made 6.9 billion (and Chrysler's earnings were down from 7.5 billion the previous year!!). Chrysler's fortunes was HARDLY in the tank when Mercedes began talks with Chrysler in January 1998!

4. The "Merger of equal" line was complete Bullsh*t:
"Moreover, Schrempp acknowledged in an interview with the Financial Times that he had planned to make Chrysler a division of the German-based auto giant.

"If I had gone and said Chrysler would be a division, everybody on their side would have said, 'There's no way we'll do a deal,' " Schrempp said in the interview published on Oct. 30, 2000. "But it's precisely what I wanted to do."
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0301/29/a01-69685.htm

5. Chrysler was sold on this "Merger of Equals" nonsense because Chrysler saw higher quality Mercedes components on their new upcoming RWD car line, and stocks going up even further. Once Mercedes purchased Chrysler & Bob Eaton retired, they went on a campaign to either buy off, fire, or drive off all of Chrysler's US senior management.



The 14-man board is now dominated by the Germans, an indication that the supposed merger between Daimler-Benz and Chrysler was, as critics said at the time, a takeover of the company.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns07738.html

Pawley was the first of several Chrysler representatives to leave the board, which at the time of the merger had voting membership split evenly between Daimler-Benz and Chrysler, each having eight representatives. As of Jan. 1, 2004, the board will consist of 10 Daimler representatives and one Chrysler representative.
http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm17531_20031211.htm

The company agreed in August to pay $300 million to smaller Chrysler shareholders to resolve their claims that Daimler-Benz officials characterized the combination as a merger to win approval from U.S. regulators, investors and employees...

Since Nov. 1998, DaimlerChrysler officials have jettisoned eight former Chrysler executives from the board. As of next month, the 16-member board will have only one former Chrysler manager on it, he noted.

There hasn't been one American added to the board since 1998,'' Christensen said. DaimlerChrysler officials have said they haven't been able to find competent American replacements, he added. (! :eek: )

...DaimlerChrysler Chief Executive Officer Juergen Schrempp planned from the beginning to take over Chrysler, Christensen said. The investor camouflaged his intentions to make the acquisition more palatable, Christensen said.

The lawyer cited an October 2000 interview that Schrempp did with the Financial Times in which he said he always intended to make Chrysler a unit of Daimler-Benz...

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000100&sid=aRBTsHs08lXk&refer=germany

James Holden, president and chief executive of Chrysler Group and one of the few North Americans left in the company's leadership, is set to step down this week to be replaced by the head of German parent DaimlerChrysler's truck and bus division...

The shake-up would mark the removal of one of the last vestiges of North American control at DaimlerChrysler. The company that emerged from the $38 billion buyout of the No. 3 U.S. carmaker by Germany's Daimler-Benz AG in 1998 was supposed to be controlled from both Stuttgart, Germany, and Chrysler's suburban Detroit headquarters. But Canadian Holden's departure apparently will leave only two North American executives, both executive vice presidents, on the 11-member executive board.

...Thomas Stallkamp, a 19-year Chrysler veteran who was widely credited with helping turn the company around before the merger, announced his departure as president of DaimlerChrysler in September 1999. Robert Eaton, who was co-chairman of the company and who helped negotiate the merger, retired in March.

...Thomas Gale, executive vice president in charge of product development and design who was credited with innovative design advances at Chrysler, announced his departure in September
http://money.cnn.com/2000/11/14/worldbiz/chrysler/

So, in summary:

*Chrysler wan't in a slump when Mercedes Benz came calling. Chrysler was in the best financial position of any automaker, and in a phenominal position when you consider it's about half the size of Ford, and 1/4 the size of GM's US operations, yet sitting on just as much cash.

*Mercedes sold their takeover as a "Merger Of Equals", and Chrysler execs seeing either improved cars or higher stock prices swallowed it hook line and sinker, along with us stockholders.

*Once Mercedes got in, the went about pushing out Chrysler management, many under the guise of "underperformance". (Bob Lutz was smart... he bailed as soon as the ink was dry on the agreement). Mercedes' goal from the very begining was a takeover.

*"Recession proof" Chrysler, which in 1996, was set up to withstand a 20% drop in sales and still be profitable, and had enough money in the bank alone to nearly fund the replacement of every car they made at the time, became broke a few years later. The money dissappeared.

*Chrysler has been run from Germany since at least 2000, at which time, every new product Chrysler planned early in the decade that wasn't too far along in development (the Dodge Ram & the redone Neon to be exact) was blocked.

*Daimler enacted a campaign of laying off Chrysler's workforce at the 1st sign of any bad news. Pretty handy if you either don't plan on keeping an automotive brand, or intend to make it a small piece of your business.

*It wasn't till Daimler's actions on Chrysler went too far & began dragging Daimler to the bottom with them, did Daimler have their meetings early last year & was forced to reverse their strategy, and release money for new products.

So concludes this class on "DamilerChrysler, the Bad, the Worse, and finally the Turnaround" 101. ;)



More stuff (scroll down to 4.1c):
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=DaimlerChrysler+profit+1998&ei=UTF-8&n=20&fl=0&u=www.automobear.com/PDFs/%2528AutomoBear%2529%2520The%2520DaimlerChrysler%2 520story.pdf&w=daimlerchrysler+profit+1998&d=5BB2FFA924&c=569&yc=45027&icp=1

Here is a fact that you are not inlcuding.....Chrysler was in BIG trouble but began to emerge in 1995. The truth is that Chrysler stock began to plummet and the germans did take over around 1999 or 2000. They made the cuts they did to stop the bleeding. This is from memory so I aplogize if I am off by a year or so.

Originally posted by falchulk
Here is a fact that you are not inlcuding.....Chrysler was in BIG trouble but began to emerge in 1995. The truth is that Chrysler stock began to plummet and the germans did take over around 1999 or 2000. They made the cuts they did to stop the bleeding. This is from memory so I aplogize if I am off by a year or so.

No worries on the years. I have to reference things myself. :)

Chrysler cleared $3.7 billion in '94, a billion in '95, and a record $5.2 billion in 1999.

The following year, 2000, the year Daimler took over completely, 20% of Chrysler's workforce was layed off, Chrysler's top executives either decided to follow Bob Lutz & bail out or were fired (taking negotiated severence packages that totalled 1 billion dollars if they were forced out or fired by Daimler executives).


In all fairness, I believe Chrysler executives used the Daimler takeover to finance their retirement packages & be set for life. I also suspect they knew more than they let on about the takeover. Lutz left town before the ink was dry and the deal was signed (didn't want any part of what he saw coming, perhaps??), and all hell broke loose almost the moment CEO Bob Eaton walked out the door (with a $70 million thank you from Juergen Schrempp, who assumed control of Chrysler once Eaton retired).

Also, German executives are paid less than US executives, so in all honesty, that may also have a bearing.
http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_daimlerchrysler_face_wide

But I believe alot of the problems were created or exagerated by the Daimler side as a pretense to push out the US management team in favor of their own, and there is still the question of where the money went & why (it was adsorbed into DaimlerChrysler & used elsewhere except Chrysler).


Daimler benz made 1.6 billion in 1996. Chrysler earned 7.5 billion that same year. Reminds me of that South Park episode where they watched an elephant mate with a pig. In this instance, seems the pig damn near killed the elephant in the process. :p

I can't really remember too much about the past but what exactly in terms of either products or services allowed Chrysler to be minting with so much cash? Was there some great demand for a particualr line of vehicles or something.. I just can't recollect the products.. someone shed some light...