Anyone getting pulled over for having a red camaro?

I don't know if you guys have heard, but Friday night a Sterling Heights cop was killed. The killer was driving a 93'- 97' Red Camaro, and because of this, I've been pulled over and searched twice in the last 4 days. I rarely drive my car, but Saturday morning I took it out and got pulled over by a couple of Shelby cops, and then yesterday I got pulled over in Rochester Hills. These are the only 2 times I've had the car out in the last 2 weeks too. I guess the guy is around 6'2 and has dark hair and a red camaro, so that is a pretty good description of me.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anybody else was getting pulled over around here. Both times I was stopped the cops said that almost anybody with a red camaro was getting pulled over and questioned.

A guy at my work got pulled over twice in 5 minutes. Once by Clinton Township and once by Shelby. He has a 98, which as we all know is different... but at the time it was just and APB for "a red late model Camaro" He's also around 6' with dark hair.

The Shelby cop told him "If you move I will shoot you."

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After it was sorted out, the cops were cool to him and apologized and explained what was going on.

The Shelby cop told him "If you move I will shoot you."
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I'm sure every Red 4th Gen Camaro within 1000 miles of here is getting pulled over.

The guys name they are looking for is Tim Berner
The car is a 94 Camaro
Vin 2G1FP22S1R2199421
Mi Plate: YSR-497

I don't know jack about 4th gens can anyone tell by the vin if its a Z or a base model?
I suppose if you own a red 4th gen it might not be a bad idea to keep it off the road until they find this guy.
I wouldn't make any sudden moves if I were pulled over in one either it might be detrimental to your health :D

actually... I think I heard that they found the car, but not him yet.

I saw that on the news, the car had a black roof bar if I remember right, but it was to blurry to see if it had a Z badge or not.

Allow myself to correct...... myself....

Seems they have NOT found the car yet. Still looking for a red 1994 Z28 with a black roof and t-tops...

checking my garage
:eek: Yikes! Won't be driving my car for a bit!

Its sad that this guy just killed a cop for no reason. Cops are looking into every red camaro because the guy killed a cop and all cops want to catch this guy. Too bad that when the average citizen gets murdered nobody seems to care.
Cops are still people and I don't agree with the fact that everyone looks at them like they are different from everyone else.
Last week a friend of mine, Pat Moll (Greenoak police dept.) and a Brighton officer were after a suspect in Brighton for lighting a car on fire, they chased him (19 year old prick who should have been in jail for killing his father 3 years ago) and he went in his room and opened fire on the police officers with an AK-47 and seriously wounded both officers before they shot and killed the suspect. Anyway, people look at it as they were cops, they should have been prepared but the truth is that most cops don't have as much training as people think, they are still human. Our society is screwed up when people will shoot at cops just because they are cops, but I also think that cops should try and catch every murderer whether they slayed an officer of the law or the average mother or father.

Originally posted by tta1415
I'm sure every Red 4th Gen Camaro within 1000 miles of here is getting pulled over.

The guys name they are looking for is Tim Berner
The car is a 94 Camaro
Vin 2G1FP22S1R2199421
Mi Plate: YSR-497


Sounds like he hasn't had the car too long. My plate is YRU-348

I agree 100% with this statement. Hopefully they find the bastard who killed the cop. :mad:


Originally posted by jp2002ls1
Its sad that this guy just killed a cop for no reason. Cops are looking into every red camaro because the guy killed a cop and all cops want to catch this guy. Too bad that when the average citizen gets murdered nobody seems to care.
Cops are still people and I don't agree with the fact that everyone looks at them like they are different from everyone else.
Last week a friend of mine, Pat Moll (Greenoak police dept.) and a Brighton officer were after a suspect in Brighton for lighting a car on fire, they chased him (19 year old prick who should have been in jail for killing his father 3 years ago) and he went in his room and opened fire on the police officers with an AK-47 and seriously wounded both officers before they shot and killed the suspect. Anyway, people look at it as they were cops, they should have been prepared but the truth is that most cops don't have as much training as people think, they are still human. Our society is screwed up when people will shoot at cops just because they are cops, but I also think that cops should try and catch every murderer whether they slayed an officer of the law or the average mother or father.

Originally posted by IDOXLR8
I agree 100% with this statement. Hopefully they find the bastard who killed the cop. :mad:

I hope they find him too.... with a bullet in his head.:mad:

Originally posted by tta1415
I hope they find him too.... with a bullet in his head.:mad:

If they find him you know they're gonna find a waqy to justify shooting his @ss. He killed a cop, now the cops are gonna kill him. I and hope they do.

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Its not even a Z/28.....cops got that part wrong.

Good work Q, that narrows it down a little. Too bad cops can't tell the difference from a Z to a 6 banger

Originally posted by IROC5.7TPI
Good work Q, Thanks, sometimes the toys at work come in handy ;)

maybe it was ricer with Z badges

Any Canadians remember the Paul Bernardo case over 10 years ago (Niagra Falls area)?

They were looking for a 3rd gen Camaro and we got pulled over driving third gen and second gen Camaros. You would think there was a difference.

Turns out - the car he was driving did not even nearly resemble a Camaro. Some foreign car.

this dude a friend works with was driving to work early the morning after it happened......his wife called him to tell him she had just heard what had happened and that cops were everywhere looking for a red camaro.......as he was talking to her he got pulled over, the cop told him to keep driving till he told him to stop, and when he did stop they had the road(i think it was mound, can't remember) completely blocked off in front and behind him.........he had a gun put to his neck and then they searched his car..............maybe whoever it was comes on this board, i don't know, but he would pry have more details.......as if they needed another reason to pull over camaros for nothing other than being red.......

I am getting sick of reading about cops sticking guns at peoples heads, especially someone who hasn't done anything other than have a red car.

What would happen if the gun went off, then what? I guess that would be an accident, right? Whoops... Oh well.... Having had a cop stick a gun in my face and begging me to give him a reason to shoot me has left a bitter taste in my mouth. I often wonder why he didn't kill me and then just make up some lame story about how I tried to take his gun or something...

It's unfortunate that a police officer was killed, but going around sticking guns in peoples faces isn't going to change that. The other guy was right. Cops are people too, and it shouldn't matter who this guy killed. He murdered another person is the issue!

definately alot of bs they get away with for rediculous cercumstances. now if that guy that had a gun put to his head was mouthing off or not cooperating with them then it's his own fault.

just not right the way they are allowed to run over law abiding people because of such incidences.

Sanity Check Time.

I am skeptical about the "gun pressed to his head" stories people seem to want to tell ... I have several police officers in the family, and several good friends who do it for a living as well. Simply put - you dont pull that gun unless there is a good reason, and just driving a red Camaro isnt. Granted, there are always a few mavericks out there... but they dont last long these days before they get a lawsuit filed against them, and then they are out of work.

Right now, if it was YOUR job (being a cop) and you had to pull over red Camaros with a potential cop-killer on board... wouldnt YOU be a little more careful? If you have an IQ larger than your belt size, HELL YEAH you would be a little nervous about it. This guy sought out a cop, and murdered him. Its not like they caught him robbing a liquor store and there was a shoot out .... he WENT LOOKING for this cop. So if they pull you over, and you get all flippy, or don't act calm, THEN I could see them possibly drawing a gun.

Anyhow, I'm stating this because I see alot of anti-cop flaming BS on here lately, and its not healthy for them, or for us... I dont mean it to insult anyone's friend's cousin's brother who says he was forced to suck on a Glock last weekend. Its not outside the realm of possibility, maybe it happened. If it did, I suspect he did something to warrant that. But from the guys I know ... thats not how they operate, at all.

-Matt

very true, whos to say but in most incidents and in particular the area we are talking about it isn't far fetched for something like that to happen. who knows.....i wouldn't be driving much though for awhile if my car fit the profile. that or don't be pissed when you get pulled over or questioned.

;)

Originally posted by kandied91z
very true, whos to say but in most incidents and in particular the area we are talking about it isn't far fetched for something like that to happen. who knows.....i wouldn't be driving much though for awhile if my car fit the profile. that or don't be pissed when you get pulled over or questioned.

;)

Your car does fit the profile... To a cop a red camaro is a red camaro.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3398714/detail.html

Got me too...

I was thinking to myself "hey po po..." saw him on 11mile going east-bound at 11&JohnR at the front of the line.... I was going south on John-R taking a right to go west-bound on 11 mile.

I was making sure not to do anything illegal... stayed at the light, noticed the no turn on red, waited... went after green, watched my speed... and then I saw him do a U turn and come after me.... I was like... WHAT DID I DO!!!!

As getting pulled over is nothing new to me... I pulled over, turned off my car & stereo, opened the window, put my hands up at the top of the wheel and waited.

The officer asked for my license (no registration or insurance.. thought that was weird) then said the reason for pulling you over was you matched the description of someone who shot an officer earlier.... don't be suprised if others pull you over as well.

He then bolted after a red trans-am

geez.....next thing you know cops are gonna start pulling people over for fitting "other" profiles.......they're gonna start pulling over white dudes in detroit, black guys in the 'burbs, people in lowriders(we all know they all smoke crack), oh.......wait.....nevermind.....

Originally posted by headingeast
geez.....next thing you know cops are gonna start pulling people over for fitting "other" profiles.......they're gonna start pulling over white dudes in detroit, black guys in the 'burbs, people in lowriders(we all know they all smoke crack), oh.......wait.....nevermind.....

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

my buddy got the gun pulled on him and he has a 3rd gen
Friday night i got pulled over and the cop told me my car fits the discription but its orange??? :rolleyes:

this dude is long gone anyways........the press today made it sound as though he was like freaking del toro in "the hunted" or john rambo himself..........he was a marine, trained to survive 6'4" and 250......he couldn't make it in society.......he was quoted as saying "if anything goes wrong, i'm getting the hell outta here"....i'm guessing he's not cruising gratiot or anything.....

one cop was quoted as saying "if he's smart, he'd kill himself" ....well, shooting cops in the back of the head isn't smart, so you can rule that part out, i was just waiting for the ol' marine they interviewed in the paper to bring out the "you better have a lotta bodybags" line.....

Anybody hear any news on this story? I am driving my other cars until they take care of this. I don't need to get pulled over anymore.

It's apperent to me that people who say such things like "cops shouldn't be putting guns to people's heads" have no clue in how the real world is when you are a cop. It's easy to sit behind your pretty little desk at work with your cute little pictures of your wife and kids, who by the way don't have to worry about you at work hoping they won't get that dreaded phone call about you getting killed, and say what cops should and shouldn't be doing. Until you go to work and have bullets flying past your head, i don't think your opinion is valid. If you don't like the way they do things, I'd like to see you do better. What would happen if they just so happen to pull over the right camaro with the cop killer in it and not pull their gun out and "put it to his head", i think we might have 2 dead cops then. People have alot of bad things to say about cops, but they are the first person they call when s@@t goes sideways is the police. They have 1 second to make a decision, but we have forever to tear their decision apart and say what they "should have done".

dude, you sound like every cop movie i've ever seen......nobody was saying being a policeman is easy, but the fact that it's a high stress, highly dangerous job doesn't mean they can make up the rules as they go. i, for one, have no idea what the proper procedure is when pulling over a dangerous suspect, but it should remain consistant in every situation.......which is why two more cops where killed a couple months ago in detroit, because the didn't follow procedure and the dude they pulled over shot them both........everybody's human, but going into that line of work is a choice, and if you can't handle it the right way then get yourself a desk.........

Seems like everybodys guilty until proven innocent :rolleyes:

I understand that it's a "high stress" job, and it's a choice. Unfortunately cops are sometimes put in a situation where they might have to put a gun to someones head. You can't sit there and honestly say that if you were pulling over a car that you thought could possibly be one who killed a cop, that you would handle that situation any different. You would quickly change your mind if someone has ever shot at you trying to take your life. I understand it's a choice, but it's not part of the job to die. Detroit has lost around 45 officers in the last 15 years because of a**holes like this guy. If you ever experienced something like thier partners or families did, you would think different. Just my .02. I know everyone wouldn't agree.

Red, orange, Camaro, Firebird. They all seem to fit the 'description'. The incident was aired on Americas Most Wanted Sat night, yea, I know, I need to get a life. They said the perp is a suspected bank robber who wanted a handgun to rob banks because the shotgun he alledgely uses is too bulky. Theyre going to get this guy even if he is hiding in Aruba.

It's a good thing I have a white one. I fit that description too and I was just out for a cruise in Rochester Hills yesterday for the first time in a couple weeks. so I guess I am lucky to not get hassled since it's not red. I think I only actually saw maybe one cop on the road. Oh yeah and I gettin on it a little since I hadn't driven it in a couple weeks :eek:

I cant figure out why the cops even think he is stupid enough to drive when pictures of his car are posted everywhere (just saw it in a restaurant today) The guy would be a dummy to drive that thing the way it is. $5 says he dumped the camaro and is cruising around in a stolen dodge omni by now.

Originally posted by 00Z28SS
I understand that it's a "high stress" job, and it's a choice. Unfortunately cops are sometimes put in a situation where they might have to put a gun to someones head. You can't sit there and honestly say that if you were pulling over a car that you thought could possibly be one who killed a cop, that you would handle that situation any different. You would quickly change your mind if someone has ever shot at you trying to take your life. I understand it's a choice, but it's not part of the job to die. Detroit has lost around 45 officers in the last 15 years because of a**holes like this guy. If you ever experienced something like thier partners or families did, you would think different. Just my .02. I know everyone wouldn't agree.

nice assumption.......chances are i've been shot at more(once) than the cops who pulled the gun, and chances are even greater that my wife has actually been hit by more bullets(just one) than these guys.......yeah, detroit has a problem with cops getting shot, but a lot of that problem stems to shoddy training and therefore bad reaction in high stress situations, and even worse than that, not handling what should be routine situations well......i like the one a month ago were they started shooting a mastiff up in a populated neigbhorhood.........a guy holding his baby had a bullet go by his head and hit the mirror in his bathroom...another guy had his garage shot up, with shots nearly hitting a cannister of gasoline........they said the dog charged them, although gun shot wounds were all in the back of the dog and eyewitnesses said is was running away from them......they said the dog was friendly, just large.........nice work guys......

Once again, easy for you to sit there and find everything they did wrong when you weren't their. They have a second to react to things, and you have a month to tear it up. The news won't tell you the whole story, they will tell you what you want to hear, and that's how the police fu**ed up. And of course there were witnesses who want to be on tv and tell their story. It's their 15 seconds of fame. It's obvious we will not agree on the situation, so I'll just drop it. I'm sure everyone on the board is tired or reading about it anyway.

Well, I for once am glad I'm short! I drive a red 94 Camaro. I'm only 17 and 5'6'' so they haven't even bothered me once. My license plate is also MEISSEN, so I doubt they'd get it confused with the suspect's. I haven't gotten pulled over yet, but while I was driving around on 10 mile coming up to Ryan, a cop followed me from 10 mile into a plaza and then when I pulled into a parking space infront of the cleaners that I was going to, the cop stopped his car right behind mine and just sat there. So I get out of my car, sporting my PETsMART uniform (haha yeah, I don't think I fit the description at all) and walk into the cleaners and come out, the cop had parked on the opposite end of the plaza and was still sitting there watching me. Persistant little pest. Regardless, I figured after he realized I didn't fit the description he'd follow me until I did something against the law so he could ticket me. In any case, I have passed many cops by on the road and surprisingly enough that haven't even bothered me at all. At that, I've sped past cops while they've radared me and they actually look out their passenger window as I drive by. I've noticed giving them a nod and a wave while you drive by seems to put them at ease. Ah well, just my 2 cents on the topic.

Originally posted by meissenation
I've noticed giving them a nod and a wave while you drive by seems to put them at ease. Ah well, just my 2 cents on the topic.

They probably think you're an off-duty cop if you're waving at them. Otherwise a red Camaro is cop-bait all day long :D

Originally posted by IROC5.7TPI
They probably think you're an off-duty cop if you're waving at them. Otherwise a red Camaro is cop-bait all day long :D

Haha I dunno, I guess I've just been lucky. In the almost two years that I've been driving my '94 red Camaro (and driving it quite liberally when the speed limit is concerned, normally doin 10 to 15mph over..) I've never been pulled over. It's kinda funny though, the only time I've been pulled over is driving a yellow Cavalier and the cop wasn't concerned with my speeding 10 over, he was pulling me over because the car had tinted windows. Thankfully it was a friend's car and the cop was really nice, let me go with just a warning. Even after I handed him an expired insurance card. :D