"Camaro" in the News

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Three industry sources said the auto maker is considering Oshawa for a rear-wheel-drive platform called Zeta that will provide the base for the next generation of the Pontiac GTO sedan, and a return of the Chevrolet Camaro sports car in 2008.

Originally posted by poSSum
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:eek: OMG... somebody in the press said the "C"-word...
Heads will roll now....:o

:cool: :D :metal: :bow: :shock:

Damn....sure has been a long Hiatus.....

Some of their info from"industry sources" could have been from sites like ours. At any rate it's good to see "Camaro" in print again.

But here is something new to me:

"Another option is a new front-wheel-drive platform code-named Chi in the series of new GM platforms named after the letters in the Greek alphabet."


I'm really up on this stuff....and that's the first I've heard of Chi. I wonder if that's what they'll rename the revamped W-car platform?

Anyone heard of Chi?

Wow! A news release that actually said Camaro and 'future rear drive car'. I don't know what to think about this but,

1.), 2008, that is a damn long hiatus. Glad I bought my '98 Z last year
2.) that article said it's too early to be sure of anything.
3.) I'm just gonna be giddy the rest of the afternoon that another source of info outside this forum mentioned anything about a future Camaro.

Three industry sources said the auto maker is considering Oshawa for a rear-wheel-drive platform called Zeta that will provide the base for the next generation of the Pontiac GTO sedan, and a return of the Chevrolet Camaro sports car in 2008.


Originally posted by Z284ever
Some of their info from"industry sources" could have been from sites like ours...

Very possible.

But if I can find this stuff out, I'm sure anyone staying on top of plant planning in the media with better connections than I have can do even better.

But also note, the Ste. Therese plant is G-O-N-E!!! Saying "Camaro" now isn't going to create any demands on GM keeping a relatively expensive plant that is far larger than they need forcing them to build a relatively low production car far away from the rest of their operations in Oshawa. ;)

Though "it's not GM's policy to talk about future cars", I think you'll hear the word Camaro alot more now.

BTW: Get used to that phrase or words to that effect. You may start hearing it often when Camaro questions come up. ;)

jeeezzz,yikes........2008!!! ugh!!!!! tooooo long!!! toooo far away!!!!!

Do you realize if it is MY2008, it'd be a SIX YEAR gap in production for the nameplate?

That's like skipping a whole platform lifecycle from some manufacturers. :(

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Do you realize if it is MY2008, it'd be a SIX YEAR gap in production for the nameplate?

That's like skipping a whole platform lifecycle from some manufacturers. :(

In the Camaro's case...it would have barely missed a mild, mid-life freshening.

Originally posted by Z284ever
In the Camaro's case...it would have barely missed a mild, mid-life freshening.

Below the belt dude...Below the belt. ;)

Good news, but the news of Osh going to Zeta is kinda old now isnt it? But I thought that Osh was going to be the 2nd plant to come on line with Zeta. What of this Chi platform? Sounds like a replacement for W.

Originally posted by Z284ever
In the Camaro's case...it would have barely missed a mild, mid-life freshening.

Ya very true... and an issue that Red has said is acklowledged by GM as a problem with Camaro over the years (importance of frequent freshenings in this segment)... hopefully this will be addressed in the future.

that is a long time, but that is about what we all figured, should be just in time for the mustang to have stolen all the rwd sales away from gm so when the camaro debut's it will fall flat on its face. Way to go GM who,hoo:rolleyes: Now with the charger more fact then rumor, and the 05 stang will own, and there wont be much of a market left for the camaro. Plus thats almost 10 years since the ls1 came out. Should be alot better powertrain i would hope.

This does seem like a long time however when you think about it GM is increasing it's speed to roll out vehicles on a consistant basis. The rumor of 2008 may just be a front to hold people off for a while so that they won't be expecting it when it comes out late in 06 as an 07 model JMHO

It is very encouraging tho to see the name in the news again...

My biggest concern is that when it comes back the Mustang will either be getting a new facelift or a new re-design... I just hope the designers are up for the challenge! I'd like to see the Camaro being sold like it was back in the glory days of 150K+ units/year :cool:

Sorry, there's no deceptions going on with the date. it's 2007 as a 2008.

Originally posted by guionM
Sorry, there's no deceptions going on with the date. it's 2007 as a 2008.

I'm up to date on all the issues around the car's demise and hiatus and who can say what and can't say what, but still...

..I can't help but shiver a little bit that that time frame could be potentially detrimental to the car, not only because it looks like it'll be unfashionably late to the party, but also the automotive scene may be changing agaian by that time.

2008, even if it's released very early say spring/winter or '07, is a very long way off.

:alert:

Originally posted by dream '94 Z28
2008, even if it's released very early say spring/winter or '07, is a very long way off.

:alert:

True, but its better than never.

Yeah, I know, but I'm starting to feel like the poor kid living in the rich neighborhood. Everyone around me has great new toys to play with or be excited about:(

Three industry sources said the auto maker is considering Oshawa for a rear-wheel-drive platform called Zeta that will provide the base for the next generation of the Pontiac GTO sedan, and a return of the Chevrolet Camaro sports car in 2008.

That paragraph is powerful to me and says just about everything that we need to know.

1) 2008 year
2) The article mentions two cars. Perhaps significant is the car not mentioned: Firebird. The article says the platform in question will serve as the basis for the next Gen Pontiac GTO and for the return of the Camaro. Unless GTO fails big time, Firebird will not be back.
3) Zeta platform? Has that been mentioned here before? Can someone explain to me the highlights of the platform. For example, will it be solid rear axel based or IRS?
4) A plant is being specifically mentioned.

This is the best concrete evidence I've seen of a Camaro's return and it's says a lot.

isn't oshawa in canada?
when are we gonna get an american muscle car actually built in the u.s.?!

Originally posted by Aklaim
True, but its better than never.

Agreed.. And I'm putting an order in for one AS SOON as they are available :) .. Early 2008 won't come soon enough now.. LOL

Originally posted by cmsmith
[I]3) Zeta platform? Has that been mentioned here before? Can someone explain to me the highlights of the platform. For example, will it be solid rear axel based or IRS?
4) A plant is being specifically mentioned.

This is the best concrete evidence I've seen of a Camaro's return and it's says a lot.

Zeta has IRS and is a morphed Sigma(CTS, SRX, STS) chassis. It will be used in the US, in Oz and in Europe. The Zeta chassis is made to use both HV and HF V6 engines, OHC and OHV V8's, and made for the new 6spd auto.
Take a look at the Buick Velite for an idea on Zeta. The Velite has a twin turbo, 400hp 3.6 DOHC VVT V6. And its RWD with a 6spd Auto.


and I personaly think that Chevy should bring it out in 07 on its 40th anni. Then they can sell sticker and stripped models out the ying yang.

Well at least it will be out in 07 (40th Anniversary) but if it's an 08 I don't think it will count for that. :think: 06 for 07 would have been so much better.

There's a thread on this going on a C&G. Some people are thinking "Chi" is actually "G"-body. That the interviewer heard someone "G" platform and thought they said "Chi".

In other words...it may be a mistake.

Will a Zeta IRS rear even handle 400 ft-lbs of torque??? Probably so, but for how long? I wonder how well it would hold up at the track? Just curious.

i think 08 is a PERFECT time for a new fbody. most people today dont keep cars longer than 5 years. some do but most dont. that will give them time to buy whatever car they want now and still be able to trade it in for a new camaro in 08. brand loyalty isnt a huge thing anymore either. if a company doesnt make exactly what the customer wants and for the exact price the customer wants then they go someplace else. i think that can play in huge favor for gm now. especially in this market with a rwd performance car that will be affordable.

Originally posted by PaperTarget
Will a Zeta IRS rear even handle 400 ft-lbs of torque??? Probably so, but for how long? I wonder how well it would hold up at the track? Just curious.

I'd say, some versions will be designed from the beginning to handle substantially more.

If a Turbocharged AWD G35 comes out before the next Camaro...I'm buying the G35.

But what are the chances of that :p

Thanks for the explanation Big Als Z.

Originally posted by PaperTarget
Will a Zeta IRS rear even handle 400 ft-lbs of torque??? Probably so, but for how long? I wonder how well it would hold up at the track? Just curious.

Since the 'tacked on" Cobra IRS can do it, I'd think that a "designed-from-the-beginning" Zeta IRS would have no problem.

Problem is that once you have a few mods on the Cobra, buh bye half shaft. I don't see a car company (American or Japanese one anyway) spending the extra dough to make a mass produced car rear end bullet proof. We all know GM rears will hand grenade on you with slicks and a few mods currently. I have to wonder. I'm sure the aftermarket will address it though like they do with the Cobra.

Its just flat out to far away! The car is in the works now and models have been made apparently and yet 4 years..come on way way way to far away, ridicoulous.

i thought '08 was a tad far as well...

if they are developing the cars at the same time as holden's VE, you would think they could debut the same year.

late '06 as an '07 model ?

or is buick first in line ?

So we basically have about 3 years and 4 months till the car is available to the public, with less than three years until the "new car" unveiling and all the magazine articles, which leaves maybe 2 years or less before a concept needs to debut.

Can anyone say NAIAS 2005 in January?

Originally posted by LT-14me
should be just in time for the mustang to have stolen all the rwd sales away from gm so when the camaro debut's it will fall flat on its face. Way to go GM who,hoo:rolleyes:

I wouldnt say that just yet, look at what happened in '67. Camaro came out and took all kinds of sales away from the Mustang. It can do the same thing in today's world because it will basically be like in the 60's, a BRAND new pony car (wearing the Camaro nameplate I hope) coming out to go toe to toe with the Mustang.

If its that long away, leaked tidbits and concept cars will be enough to keep me entertained till it actually comes out.

Its going to be sad watching those possible "40th anniversary" sales going out the window. :no:

Well I have one personal positive to the release date in 2008. I should be done with college and just far enough into my first job to be ready to buy my first brand new car by then. :D

True, when a car comes out in 2008 it's a 2007. So that's about right. You won't have to worry about the stang, it's suppose to be killed after 05, that's if Ford follows their plan. I think there is no way they can leave the Camaro out of Chevy because that's the only rear wheel drive performance car they have. GTO came out, I heard it's only to boost Pontiacs sales, but if the Stang is gone, the T/A replaced with GTO, and no Camaro, that's leaves the damn imports as the new breed, and we all know we dont' want that to happen.

Originally posted by 94Camarov6SS
True, when a car comes out in 2008 it's a 2007. So that's about right. You won't have to worry about the stang, it's suppose to be killed after 05, that's if Ford follows their plan. I think there is no way they can leave the Camaro out of Chevy because that's the only rear wheel drive performance car they have. GTO came out, I heard it's only to boost Pontiacs sales, but if the Stang is gone, the T/A replaced with GTO, and no Camaro, that's leaves the damn imports as the new breed, and we all know we dont' want that to happen.


Uh what planet are you on that you have heard there killing the mustang after 05???????

Originally posted by SFireGT98
I wouldnt say that just yet, look at what happened in '67. Camaro came out and took all kinds of sales away from the Mustang. It can do the same thing in today's world because it will basically be like in the 60's, a BRAND new pony car (wearing the Camaro nameplate I hope) coming out to go toe to toe with the Mustang.

If its that long away, leaked tidbits and concept cars will be enough to keep me entertained till it actually comes out.

In that time frame, GM handed Ford what, A MILLION Mustang sales?

There are a lot of reasons Mustangs have been so popular over the years, but one of the major ones was being first to market. Before anyone responded, Ford had a million new customers singing the praises of their new 'pony car' and contributing to its popularity this very day.

By giving the new 2005 Mustang time to win fans and develop a huge aftermarket, the are making the same mistake again .

Originally posted by 94Camarov6SS
True, when a car comes out in 2008 it's a 2007. So that's about right. You won't have to worry about the stang, it's suppose to be killed after 05, that's if Ford follows their plan. I think there is no way they can leave the Camaro out of Chevy because that's the only rear wheel drive performance car they have. GTO came out, I heard it's only to boost Pontiacs sales, but if the Stang is gone, the T/A replaced with GTO, and no Camaro, that's leaves the damn imports as the new breed, and we all know we dont' want that to happen.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You have to be the out right most stupid person on this entire board!!! Ford will never kill the Mustang. That’s like GM killing the Vette. So how’s your 150mph 3.4L? Hahahaha…..retard.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

And I thought the part about "if a car comes out in 2008 its a 2007" was funny. :lol: