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http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=345650#post345650


HAAAAAAAAAA BLAAAAAAAA

Honestly... I still like mine better... He has alot of that pupleish look to it.


My car lost alot of the purple look and was a deeper blue once I started getting into zaino... and lots of metallic flake started to show on it(never really knew NBM had it) I guess the guy was going for the purple but I like the way mine looks, its more of a chameleon to lighterblu, to darker blue, to blackish, as opposed to blue and purple.

Like my car...
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/514000-514999/514505_8_full.jpg

his car...
http://www.transam02.com/detail/042504/hood2.jpg

here is a pic after my first application of zaino... 3 coats... its with my old crappy camera but the spotlights at OSW show my blue more. Kinda like his lights in his garage.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/514000-514999/514505_3_full.jpg

I admit his car has a nice shine... but then again I am just getting started with zaino, I have ~6 coats fo the actual polish on my car. Mine imporves with layers and tell me if his car will look like this in 2.5 months of only washing it twice. Without keeping his car in that garage(also notice those, trees, I park under them all the time)

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/10/web/514000-514999/514505_67_full.jpg

And last but not least... his is 2 years newer, and a garaged car while mine is a 100% outdoor car with ~40,000 miles on it.

AND he already had several coats of zaino on his car :)

For me it is a crusade against Zaino and it's hype by all those who have not tried other products and think they found it all.... Yes it is a great product, but it is not all that. Just trying to help everyone out so they can try zaino and a few others to see what is right for them... For me I can not stress how much I think it was all hype. I wil lgive it an A+ for durability, but shine and feel it gets a B-

I might be able to contest shine... I have been impressed with lots of other products but this is hard to judge, its all opinion and even harder over the net, but feel?


I will argue that one with you as well....


Wait till Nov-Jan... when I move into my g/fs townhouse that is being built and I get a garage...

I will putting on a few coats of zaino every weekend, to improve the feel more so then it has now, I will however contest my smoothness is not as good as it was 2.5 months ago when I first did it. The car is still smooth as hell but it when you rub your hands on it, it now makes a screeching noise it never used to do.

I think the smoothness feel lasted roughly a month or so...I remeber my car being covered in pollen at a Sonic's meet and we dusted off a spot and still felt smooth as hell...

But right after a full ziano treatment, it has a smoothness and feel that if GOD himself were to sit on the hood of your car he would slide right off the front and land on his butt. There is some Zaino Zeolot bate for ya....

I need to dig up that webpage where the Zaino guys tested all the major super polish/waxes and found zaino to be the smoothest, and that was only with one coat of Z2

i've seen my meguiar's wax right next to drew's car with freshly applied zaino ... two exact same cars ... and i couldn't really tell the difference


now, after a week or two the meguiars comes off, but its still not terrible especially after i only paid like 8 bucks for it compaired to drew's $100+ for zaino :)

I got the Wolf Gang Kit and It feels much smoother to the touch and shines much nicer on my red car. The only Zaino products that I have come to like are:

Glass Polish
Quick Detail
Leather Care

Other than that once my supply is gone I am done with it till a new version comes out and I will try again when what I am using runs out.

It just is not really smooth, ya it is slick, but not smooth.. Also with me owning a garage and the car is almost always under covered parking there is a lot better out there for what I want…

I also like the Enzineete polish to remove swirls... Nice stuff IMO...

Originally posted by MustangEater82
Honestly... I still like mine better... He has alot of that pupleish look to it.


My car lost alot of the purple look and was a deeper blue once I started getting into zaino... and lots of metallic flake started to show on it(never really knew NBM had it)

Your car lost the purple look after the Zaino?

NBM will look purple if the light hits it directly or from a certain angle and it will look like regular navy blue if the light isn't strong.

Originally posted by SFB767
Your car lost the purple look after the Zaino?

NBM will look purple if the light hits it directly or from a certain angle and it will look like regular navy blue if the light isn't strong.

I know what you mean...

The purple doesn't really show as much... it used to show alot and almost everyday but the purple is not as prevalent as it used to. I think maybe its there but just not as noticeable, I'll get some opinions tonight at the meet.

BTw, my boss and a handyman that comes by were asking me about where to get my zaino...


As for zaino... I doubt drew Spent $100+ I spent $85, and I think I have more stuff then drew.

Tell them to try Poor Boys or Wolf Gang first.... Heck even Klasse...

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=346617#post346617

Definitely good advice in their but not really sure how it says not to use zaino but to use otehr stuff....

I liked the suggestion to try different layers of Zaino on different parts of the car to see what works best for you, I think maybe I jsut got lucky with my first choice, I snagged off of www.installuniversity.com 's F-body detailing instructions.

Also they did say Zaino worked great on dark cars but on lighter cars like silver to try other things...

Maybe thats why I like it so well since I have one of he deep dark colors :think:

I've been using Zaino for 7 years. If is best on dark cars, it can be a PITA to initially apply but the weekly maintainance is less. with 25 years of detailing experience, for the hard core enthusiast, nothing beats Zaino when you use the entire system. Others will still work well, but if you want the extra edge, Zaino will give it to you.

Unfortunatley I still have never seen a Zaino shine that wowed me...

I really need to invest in some good wax, cleaner, etc. I have two black cars and hate waxing them. :mad: I buffed my 2000 about a month ago, and the shine has come back, but I know it could be much better. Eric, your car does always look clean... hard to believe you've only washed it twice lately.

Originally posted by 86 IROC
I really need to invest in some good wax, cleaner, etc. I have two black cars and hate waxing them. :mad: I buffed my 2000 about a month ago, and the shine has come back, but I know it could be much better. Eric, your car does always look clean... hard to believe you've only washed it twice lately.

Twice in the last 2 and a half months...

thats why I jizz my pants over the stuff so much.

Originally posted by MustangEater82
Twice in the last 2 and a half months...

thats why I jizz my pants over the stuff so much. :lol: I may have to break down & try the stuff. I guess I'll talk to you more about it next week at Sonic's.

washed twice, but home many rinse offs? Or Z6's?


Avoid the Zaino trap 86...

Z6 hasn't been used since last zaino treatment, back in feburary... Heck remember I was trying to buy your Z6 of you a long time ago, I have been out for awhile. I think I keep the bottle too close to the car when I did coats.


Rinse offs...

I averaged once a week to every 2 weeks(depending on teh rain and pollen outbreaks) There were weeks, when people wanted to feel my paint, we wiped a small section of pollen off and touch the paint. But sorry no polish will prevent pollen on an outside car in FL.

all the rinsing really does is keep the thick layer of pollen off my car, no scrubbing or anything. I just spray it to get pollen build ups off... I am talking less then 3 minutes worth of work. I don't even dry the car.


I bet my wetness look woudl be better maintained if I used Z6 more... But I ran out of it went too overboard on my rims with it. It has lots of anti-static properties and I wanted to keep my rims nice "dust free" :)

I do admit the car isn't as smooth... the surface still feels smooth but it leaves a "Screech noise" when you rub your hand on it now, was super smooth and you had to try to get it ot make a noise.

Originally posted by darkoverlift


Avoid the Zaino trap 86...

What would you suggest for a black car that sits outside?

Originally posted by darkoverlift
Unfortunatley I still have never seen a Zaino shine that wowed me...

Then nothing must wow you. :confused:

Here is a phot on Sal's website. This was my personal custom 96 Crew Cab Dually. Black, ground effects, leather, loaded. In late 96 the truck was treated with 6 coats of Z5, 5 coats of Z2. This photo was taken in 98 and the only thing done to the finish was washing with Zaino wash. This truck stayed out in the brutal Florida sun 100% of the time.


http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/photos/truck.htm


I will say it again, for dark cars, nothing lasts longer, nothing shines longer, nothing else takes such little maintainance after the initial applications. There is no way that any other product is going to look that way after 2 years. :alert: The water still would bead, the shine was simply incredible.

BTW, just to get an idea of how clear and deep the shine is, the jet that you see in the reflection.... was over 50 feet away and is still clearly seen.

If you never try Zaino, you'll never know if the bad experience you heard about was improper application or some other factor. if you want, drive down to Sebring and you can see the cars sitting in my driveway that have been treated with Zaino. You can also try about every product out there because my garage looks like an auto parts store. I have tried most every product out there and have most of the unused on the back shelf. ;) You're welcome to it. Every product has it's merits, with 25 years of detailing experience I just found Zaino is tops. Yes it's expensive and some don't think the expense is worth it. The same goes for Synthetic oil......... ;)

Originally posted by Joe 97RA

I will say it again, for dark cars, nothing lasts longer, nothing shines longer, nothing else takes such little maintainance after the initial applications. There is no way that any other product is going to look that way after 2 years. :alert: The water still would bead, the shine was simply incredible.



Thats the thing I love about it. I mean this car is 10X's cleaner then all my other cars have been and I spend less work cleaning it, and it should be the hardest car I have owned to keep clean. Hell I KNOW I have spent more time arguing about Zaino online then I have actually keeping my car clean.

I feel my car looks great, maybe it doesn't work for all but it works great for me. Hell oce the townhouse I am going to live in gets built along with a garage, I am going to put a nice 8-12 coats of Z5, with Z6 on it. and top it off with Z2 for the protection. Most say that is the best way for dark cars, just slap Z5 on until happy with the look. Only times I have done Zaino is the 2 times I took my car to south florida, where I spent the whole weekend detailing my car(not just on the outside, my underhood look really good for a 4 year old car with ~40k on it, lots better then when I got it)

Main problem, is the shine of a car is subjective to the person that sees it. But to me, If my car is an 9.5, and a wolfgang, poor boys, klasse car is a 10. I'll take a 9.5 and enjoy that shine with the little work I do now. Have it last months on end then have to go out and redetail my car monthly(maybe more) But heck I think its almost a 10 now. My car now the shine has gone down a little bit, along with the smoothness but honestly feels smoother and shines better then anything I ever bought in a store.


I had always head great things abotu zaino, on f-body boards and all car boards... then I bought my car, Since it was a little cheaper then I was expecting to pay, I didn't put all my money on a downpayment, I took ~$600 out of it, dropped ~$90 on the ziano kit to try it out(rest went to other car cleaner stuff, few maintenance things and rims and tires) I was floored with how wonderful it was.

maybe the difference of me and what others have done, is I thoroughly looked up what I should do for best results(I am cheap, I shop at Big Lots refularly) as not to "waste" any of this stuff.

Heck if any of you guys know Joe, and the technique, work, and detail he is taking on my just my old car as his project car, you would know if he reccomends something like what product to use for detailing, you should really really take the reccomendation from him.

Originally posted by MustangEater82


Main problem, is the shine of a car is subjective to the person that sees it. But to me, If my car is an 9.5, and a wolfgang, poor boys, klasse car is a 10. I'll take a 9.5 and enjoy that shine with the little work I do now. Have it last months on end then have to go out and redetail my car monthly(maybe more) But heck I think its almost a 10 now.

I'm glad you mentioned that and here is why it is that way:

Surface polishes and waxes have two ways that they can affect light transmission. Either to diffuse light by refraction or change directions by reflection. Waxes, being a crystaline structure require a chemical solvent so that it my be spread around thinly and evenly. When the solvents evaporate, wax returns to a crystaline structure and ends up refracting light waves. This gives the appearance of a glow due to reflection, but the light rays are scattered in a non directional pattern. This tends to blur minor surface imperfections and bring out a shine in the paint. This is almost identical to the using of filters in photography to hide skin imperfections. Problem is that each time the wax returns to a crystaline structure it hardens and can potentially do damage to the paint.

Zaino, being a different formula and contains no crystaline structured waxes, doesn't blur the minor imperfections, it literally relects the light from around the imperfection (swirls can even be filled) and the reflection is a more clear. The effect is less noticeable on lighter finishes. As an example, I don't use Zaino on my Cadillac DeVille. It is white, and the differance that Zaino makes on white to me isn't worth the expense of using it on that particular car. Instead I use a non wax polish like liquid glass or something comparable. Still looks good, doesn't last as long, much cheaper, etc... so an OK choice for a white car.

Funny thing is that before trying Zaino, I was pretty sold on a collection of my own blend of products. One product from one manufacturer, one from another and when used as a system, worked great. All that went out the window the instant I tried Zaino.

And no...... I'm not a distributer either. Yet !
And I think that will change when Eric's old car is finished. :cool:

All zaino tlak aside...

this pic on their website is just awesome...

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/photos/3seriesreflect.htm

Originally posted by MustangEater82
All zaino tlak aside...

this pic on their website is just awesome...

http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/photos/3seriesreflect.htm


Now that's what I am talking about! Look how clear the reflection is....... sharp lines, no light diffusing..... literally a more reflective surface.