02SS vs SRT-4

So I am at a light with a SRT-4 who is reving away, and he asks if I want to go. He says he added a few ponies and is running 15 lbs of boost. I thought for sure I was dead, but said what the hell. Well it turns green and we go at it, I pulled on him from the start and it just got bigger and bigger, probably abotu 2-3 car lengths. He had to have been lying, i'm pretty much stock except lid and exhaust at the moment.

I assume you haven't had your new car that long? LS1s, *especially* 2002's, have nothing to fear on the top end until the SRT4 gets some serious mods. Intake & more boost ain't gonna do it.

good kill.

Originally posted by John M
I assume you haven't had your new car that long? LS1s, *especially* 2002's, have nothing to fear on the top end until the SRT4 gets some serious mods. Intake & more boost ain't gonna do it.

why are the 02's better on the top end? i didnt know of any changes like that??

Originally posted by Tony Danza
why are the 02's better on the top end? i didnt know of any changes like that??


Slightly larger cam, injectors on the '02's biggest ever, and that LS6 intake :)

BTW nice Kill !!

I completely agree with 2-3 lengths. Every time I raced my friend in his '03 SS (Lid, Borla, A4) I lose to him by 2-3 lengths.

It's closer from a roll than a stop, however. SRT-4's have a pretty wicked top end themselves.

'03 SS???

I thought the last year was '02
35th anniversary - 1967 - 2002
maybe i'm not adding right, i dunno

Originally posted by My Red 93Z-28
'03 SS???

I thought the last year was '02
35th anniversary - 1967 - 2002
maybe i'm not adding right, i dunno

I think you are right. Good kill by the way.

Originally posted by XKnightRider
Slightly larger cam, injectors on the '02's biggest ever, and that LS6 intake :)

BTW nice Kill !!

The 01-02's have a smaller cam, not larger. :cool:

Originally posted by speed_demon24
The 01-02's have a smaller cam, not larger. :cool:

Thats what i thought too?? :confused: ..I heard that they used a different cam in the 01's and 02 to get a little more low-end..because the 98-00 made almost all there power up top. I may be wrong, but i could have sworn i read this.

Originally posted by speed_demon24
The 01-02's have a smaller cam, not larger. :cool:

I was just about to post that.

Also, the top end on the '01-'02s isn't that much greater than the first LS1s. If you didn't know what year car you were driving you wouldn't even know the difference.

I've just seen more "basic mods" traps in the 108-109 range from 2002s than from any other year.

Big Red Jim - would you say the STR4's trapspeed doesn't accurately reflect its top end pull? Perhaps because of the lack of traction on the bottom end?

There isn't anyone local with a SRT4 that I can run against.

Good kill! :thumb:

Originally posted by My Red 93Z-28
'03 SS???

I thought the last year was '02
35th anniversary - 1967 - 2002
maybe i'm not adding right, i dunno Whoops, I meant '01 :)

John - The trap speed is a bit misleading. Mine went 101 as an example, but in 1st gear boost is limited to 8psi, whereas other gears see 15-16. So I'm essentially not getting full power for the fist couple seconds of the race.

Originally posted by John M
I've just seen more "basic mods" traps in the 108-109 range from 2002s than from any other year.

Big Red Jim - would you say the STR4's trapspeed doesn't accurately reflect its top end pull? Perhaps because of the lack of traction on the bottom end?

There isn't anyone local with a SRT4 that I can run against.
When my dad brought his 00 WS6 M6 to moroso, there were a few other 01+'s there only trapping 105mph. My dad's best was only 105, but he was babying it off the line (2.4+ 60'). So when I jumped in it and ran, I trapped at 107.2mph. The 01+'s there had equal or more mods than my dads WS6. I still think the 01-02 being stronger is mostly BS. They have a smaller cam, but have an LS6 intake manifold, and better exhaust manifolds which the 2000's have.

Originally posted by speed_demon24
I still think the 01-02 being stronger is mostly BS.

The '01-02s usually tend to dyno a little higher than the earlier years. Notice I said usually, not always. But you see most of the higher stock 315+ rwhp numbers coming from '01-02s. There just seems to be more strong running ones from those years, again not all of them, but a decent number.

Personally my only experience with the above is when I raced a '98 Z28 that had the same exact mods as me; I was able to pull about 1.5 cars from a 50 roll. Maybe it was due to driving but I doubt it as I'm just average in that department... you could definitely tell my car had a bit more in it then the Z28. But you're right, its such a small difference that it really doesn't matter, and on any given a day an earlier LS1 can be just as fast or faster than the later editions.

that is a good kill i hate people driving the same car as me acting like little punks. There is one around here with a stock srt4 and i hooked him up with a loss to an ls1,
but dont say you need a lot of mods. I have less then $500 into my srt4 and she will and has beatIN Vettes c5's and a few ls1 camaros and a few other camaros not talking smack i would take a ls1 any day but just to let the stock ls1 guys know if you dont know how to drive or the srt4 has stage one or better a srt4 will take you if he knows how, on that note i raced 2 guys with t/a's one guy was running 14.9's with a lt1 auto and the other guy was running 14.5 in his ws6 so as he talked crap about my car i smoked him then asked if i could drive his car for 1 run he had a cold air and and some headers i barrowed some slicks took it out and ran a 12.837 @ 105 with it, he was real pissed considering the fastest time in my srt4 that day was a 12.986 at 103
ps just so everyone knows alls i had was stage 1 witch is 45# injectors and a new pcm good for 20 or 30 hp, and i have a cold air intake and i am pushing stock boost so i would be careful unless you have small mods srt4s are decent to 120 i try to keep it on the track though that way veryone knows who won

14.9 with an LT1 and 14.5 with a WS6??? What the f*** are they doing, only using 2nd gear? My LT1 with just a CAI had a best of 13.89 and thats with 2:73 gears? I think the track that you are running at has problems with their times or maybe they gave you the wrong slip?

no they were just really bad drivers and i mean really bad, when i raced them they got like a two or three second head start and i raped them so it was all driver, like i said when i drove the ws6 i ran a high 12 and i am an average driver. i have lost to more f body,s and ls1's then i have beatin but it can and does happen and if you look at my times i am pretty sure even with a good driver i could keep with or beat a stock camaro not saying much about the car since i am modded but if your driving around in your stock camaro and a race occurs between you and an srt4 you could loose i am in no way talking bad about f body's i am trying to convince my wife to let me buy one now so i have something to build a real fast car with and not spend $30,000 dolllars on tuning and parts and all the other crap it would take to make my car fast

Originally posted by dodgemaninjapan
that is a good kill i hate people driving the same car as me acting like little punks. There is one around here with a stock srt4 and i hooked him up with a loss to an ls1,
but dont say you need a lot of mods. I have less then $500 into my srt4 and she will and has beatIN Vettes c5's and a few ls1 camaros and a few other camaros not talking smack i would take a ls1 any day but just to let the stock ls1 guys know if you dont know how to drive or the srt4 has stage one or better a srt4 will take you if he knows how, on that note i raced 2 guys with t/a's one guy was running 14.9's with a lt1 auto and the other guy was running 14.5 in his ws6 so as he talked crap about my car i smoked him then asked if i could drive his car for 1 run he had a cold air and and some headers i barrowed some slicks took it out and ran a 12.837 @ 105 with it, he was real pissed considering the fastest time in my srt4 that day was a 12.986 at 103
ps just so everyone knows alls i had was stage 1 witch is 45# injectors and a new pcm good for 20 or 30 hp, and i have a cold air intake and i am pushing stock boost so i would be careful unless you have small mods srt4s are decent to 120 i try to keep it on the track though that way veryone knows who won


ok, i gave up after about 2 lines.

commas and periods would be nice.

kids, stay in school.