Final chance at getting a set of Bob Bishop C5 to F-body Brake Conversion Brackets...

Some of you might have noticed that we no longer carry C5 to F-Body Brake conversion brackets. The design and production of these brackets was done by Bob Bishop, who is a regular contributor in the Autocross and Road Racing section of this message board and has a tremendous amount of experience knowledge when it comes to things like this. His brackets are renowned for being incredibly high quality from start to finish. There is no higher quality way of mounting C5 Corvette brakes on a f-body at this price. We will make a second post following this one with all of the product details and requirements.

Bob has decided to "retire" from making the brackets and as a result, they are no longer available and the chances of them being available again are very slim. When Bob recently mentioned he is no longer making them, he immediately received numerous e-mails from people offering well over $100 more than the retail price. Since there are no more brackets left, he could not fulfill their request.

However, in a recent conversation with Bob, he agreed to make one last batch of them for those who would like one final chance to get them.

The terms of this are somewhat tight, so a great deal of cooperation and help will be required to make these brackets available one last time for a lucky 22 people.

What we need to know is if we can get 22 DEFINITE buyers (or 22 orders of the brackets, to be specific) to make one final Group Purchase of these incredible brackets available. 22 is the magic number for this. If we get 22 buyers and ONE backs out, the GP will suffer.

The GP price will be $259.00 shipped via FedEx with a tracking number.
We need to secure the funds for 22 orders and then production will start on the final batch.
We are looking into the production schedule at this time, and it could take approximately 2-4 weeks to have them made. More details will come later.

So right now we need to know if we can even get enough sets "pre-sold" to make this happen.

Please reply to this thread if you 100% definitely will purchase at least one set of these brake brackets. If you plan to buy more than one, please indicate this in your post. Once again, we need DEFINITE buyers only who can pay with credit card or PayPal as soon as we give the green light on this (which we cannot do until we are SURE we have 22 DEFINITE sets that will be sold). We also ask that if you know someone who is interested in this to please forward this information to them to increase the odds of this happening.

So, let's get the list started! We need to know if this is going to happen SOON, so please don't hesitiate.

From the information we once had in our online store...


C5 Corvette to F-Body Brake Conversion Brackets

These brackets adapt the complete 5th generation Corvette (C5) front brake system to any 1993-2002 GM F-Body. The brackets are CNC machined from a solid billet of 6061 aluminum in a T6511 temper/post treatment and are then shot peened with stainless steel media. The kit includes the left and right hand adaptor brackets, all necessary non-factory mounting hardware, and complete step by step installation instructions and a list of necessary tools.

The brackets have been tested by an independent laboratory for ultimate strength. The brackets sustained a load of 22,900 lbs. and still did not fail, but deflection was becoming visible. That is the weight of more than 6 complete F-Body automobiles on one bracket. Most competing brackets are .375" thick (some are even thinner), whereas our bracket is .600" thick. Each bracket weighs only two pounds.

Image 1 - http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bbbrackets1.jpg
Image 2 - http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bbbrackets2.jpg

ADVANTAGES TO RUNNING A C5 FRONT BRAKE SYSTEM:
Obvious cosmetic advantages
The C5 rotor is 1" larger in diameter than the LS1 rotor and 2" larger than the LT1 rotor. This provides increased mechanical advantage in braking as well as greater heat sinking capability.
C5 rotors are directional. There is a left and right hand rotor because the internal vanes are curved like a fan. They pump air from the center of the rotors to the outer edge. This greatly increases cooling in high stress use, increasing rotor life and minimizing brake fade.
The C5 caliper has full width stiffening ribs and is pressure cast. This increases the life of the caliper and the firmness of the brake pedal.
There are over 25 different brake pads available for the C5 caliper. You can easily find a pad for your application and price range.
The components are all DOT legal, and serviceable at any Chevrolet or most other GM dealers. If you sell your car, you don't have to convert back to the OEM brake system.
The C5 front brake system is fully compatible with the factory ABS system.
A great majority of 17" wheels will fit the C5 system without the need for spacers.
REQUIREMENTS:
A GM shop manual and the ability and qualifications to work on a brake system at this level, OR a professional mechanic to do the installation, and thoroughly test when finished.
17" or larger wheels are necessary to fit over the C5 front brakes. All 1996 and later 17" OEM F-body wheels fit perfectly without the need for spacers. If you are not sure if your wheels will fit, please print out the FITMENT TEMPLATE (http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bb/bbtemplate.pdf) and verify compatibility before ordering the kit. Click HERE (http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bb/bbtemplate.pdf) for the Fitment Template (Adobe Acrobat Reader required).
The factory caliper mounting tabs need to be cut from the steering knuckles for C5 brakes to fit. Instructions on how to do this will be included.
NECESSARY CORVETTE BRAKE PARTS (http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bb/bbpartslist.doc) that you will need to obtain in order to complete the conversion. Click HERE (http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bb/bbpartslist.doc) for a list of required parts.

Tapdancing on a pogo stick!

I was about to call you guys to order a set, I need to get a set, GP or not. I thought you guys still had them in stock? Either way if we dont get enough people in on the GP I'll personally buy a set or two extra, I know people will want em at some point.

Count me in for atleast one set, GP or not.

Sign me up!!! I want a set!!!

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
I thought you guys still had them in stock?

Nope, the last set was sold a few days ago. Bob told us that he was done with them at that point, "retired" so to speak. It is hard to blame him, a great deal of work goes into them. The tolerances are incredibly high on them. Each one is machined to exact specs and then every possible measurement is painstakingly verified by hand by Bob with a micrometer.

Either way if we dont get enough people in on the GP I'll personally buy a set or two extra, I know people will want em at some point.

Count me in for atleast one set, GP or not.

See, that's where the problem lies. There are no more available, and there will not be any more available if we do not get the GP accomplished. :eek:

You can definitely count me in for one set! :cool: :D

Right, as you said we need 22 sets. If we get close we just ask people to get spares for other cars or just hold till they sell on the forums. It is a great upgrade, no doubt to that. I'll be one of those people that'll buy extras if needed.:p

I might be able to do it. I will probably be able to do it, I'll let you know for sure in a couple of days.

Count me in...oh wait...I already have C5 brakes, using a set-up that works for 3rd Gens.;):p

Good luck to you guys that are interested...C5 stuff is the best bang for the buck, IMO. It does very well on the track.:thumb:

Eric

i want a set. definately.
thanx.

I can blow a wad on a set. Not sure I can swing two but if we get to 20 ish or so I may be able to order 2 sets.

Rechtien@yahoo.com

Come on guys, we need more people to get in on this. It's the best bang for your buck for brakes available.

I might be interested too. What does the entire conversion end up costing, not including these brackets? I'm just curious what kind of investment we are talking here.

Thanks!
Jeremy

I believe the full price including the brackets came to between $800- $900.

Originally posted by germ79
I might be interested too. What does the entire conversion end up costing, not including these brackets? I'm just curious what kind of investment we are talking here.

Thanks!
Jeremy

besides these brackets, i think the rest of the parts are $450 without pads, or $550 with pads.

Count me in for one set definetly.
Could you ship them to Toronto,Canada via US Postal Service?
Thanks
Kris

And the $450 and $550 prices are for brand new GM parts, and they INCLUDE SHIPPING to the 48 states.

Okay, here is what we have so far...

DEFINITE
Geoff Chadwick
Grover
JasonD
2MCHPWR
Rechtien
Kris96WS6

POSSIBLY
94TA25ann
germ79

You can get a parts list from here along with a contact for very good prices on what you need: http://www.speedspecialty.com/prodimg/bb/bbpartslist.doc

Sending to Canada won't be a problem. We can work that out when/if the time comes.

With regard to the 17" wheels, I have a set of AFS ZR1 17x9.5's ( afswheels (www.afswheels.com) ) on my '02 WS6. They are supposed to be replicas of the '84 'Vette Grand Sport wheels. Since they replace my factory 17's fine, does this mean they will work fine with your kit?

Also, since I know less then "Jack" about installing and working on brakes, where would you recommend I take this setup to get it safely & properly installed if/when I were to buy it?

TIA,

Darrin

Any decent garage would be able to do the work. In all honesty it's as simple as replacing your brake pads, rotors, and calipers if the calipers went bad. Only difference is you need to sit down and grind a little off the stock casting and bolt on an adapter. Then bleed the brakes. It's not rediculously labor intensive like doing an LT1 cam swap or LT1 engine swap.

Is there anywhere to check for positive feedback on this kit...or can anyone vouch for the quality of it...thanks...:)

Well...I know it is hard to take my word for it considering the source, but one thing is for sure, these are not some cobbled up pieces. These brackets are professional grade, expertly enginneried peices of hardware. Somewhere I read just a little while ago that an opinion was that the tolerances on these brackets were "tight enough to hold water"...or something to that effect. I will see if I can backtrack and find out where I read someone saying that.

I did some looking around, and found a couple of links to add to this...

http://www.chris96ws6.com/c5brakes

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=244858

If anyone can add to this, feel free!

Thanks!

Has anyone used these brackets and C5 brakes on factory 17x9 WS6 wheels? If so, I will take a set.

Brad
llafro@yahoo.com

Originally posted by Rottluver
With regard to the 17" wheels, I have a set of AFS ZR1 17x9.5's ( afswheels (www.afswheels.com) ) on my '02 WS6. They are supposed to be replicas of the '84 'Vette Grand Sport wheels. Since they replace my factory 17's fine, does this mean they will work fine with your kit?

Also, since I know less then "Jack" about installing and working on brakes, where would you recommend I take this setup to get it safely & properly installed if/when I were to buy it?

TIA,

Darrin

There was not an ’84 Grand Sport. There was a ’63 Grand Sport, but they didn’t have 17” wheels. And, there was a ’96 Grand Sport that had 17” wheels. AFS makes ZR1/Grand Sport replicas, the difference being offset. They also offer those wheels with an offset to fit on ’84 – ’86 Corvettes. So you can buy ZR1 style wheels with the ZR1 offset, the Grand Sport offset, or the ’84 – ’86 Vette offset. All of those will fit the C5 front brake package. Unless you are describing some wheel style that I am not familiar with.

I don’t know when you are moving to Seattle, but I have a customer with a shop in Vancouver, WA (150 miles south of Seattle. His brackets should be delivered today. Don’t know when he plans to do his install. If you are moving soon, maybe you could watch him install his and/or have him do your conversion. I emailed him a link to this thread.

I also have a customer who had me drop ship his brackets to Guldstrand Motorsports in Burbank, where he had his conversion done. If you are not familiar with them, Dick Guldstrand was a one of the first Corvette racers (in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s), and when he retired from racing, he opened a tuner shop in California which was BIG before Callaway and Lingenfelter came along. Let me know if you want Guldstrands address. I don't think they would work "cheap". Might be worth a call.

Originally posted by guywithaZ
Is there anywhere to check for positive feedback on this kit...or can anyone vouch for the quality of it...thanks...:)

You might post this question over at FRRAX.com in the brake section. You would probably get 5-10 responses from current users by days end.

I have saved lots of posts on my hard drive from past threads. Of 125 customers, I have yet to see a post or get an email from one of my customers who did not like them. The guys at FRRAX race them, so they are the most demanding customers I have.

Bob Bishop

Originally posted by llafro
Has anyone used these brackets and C5 brakes on factory 17x9 WS6 wheels? If so, I will take a set.

Brad
llafro@yahoo.com

Those wheels fit perfectly; no spacers required. All 17" OEM F-body wheels from 1996 on fit correctly.

Those wheels fit perfectly; no spacers required. All 17" OEM F-body wheels from 1996 on fit correctly.

Then I am in for one set for sure.

Originally posted by lateapex
There was not an ’84 Grand Sport. There was a ’63 Grand Sport, but they didn’t have 17” wheels. And, there was a ’96 Grand Sport that had 17” wheels. AFS makes ZR1/Grand Sport replicas, the difference being offset. They also offer those wheels with an offset to fit on ’84 – ’86 Corvettes. So you can buy ZR1 style wheels with the ZR1 offset, the Grand Sport offset, or the ’84 – ’86 Vette offset. All of those will fit the C5 front brake package. Unless you are describing some wheel style that I am not familiar with.

I don’t know when you are moving to Seattle, but I have a customer with a shop in Vancouver, WA (150 miles south of Seattle. His brackets should be delivered today. Don’t know when he plans to do his install. If you are moving soon, maybe you could watch him install his and/or have him do your conversion. I emailed him a link to this thread.

I also have a customer who had me drop ship his brackets to Guldstrand Motorsports in Burbank, where he had his conversion done. If you are not familiar with them, Dick Guldstrand was a one of the first Corvette racers (in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s), and when he retired from racing, he opened a tuner shop in California which was BIG before Callaway and Lingenfelter came along. Let me know if you want Guldstrands address. I don't think they would work "cheap". Might be worth a call.

I could swear the GS wheels were from the '84-'86 range of 'Vettes, but I am not a 'Vette guy, so I will take your word on that, especially since I am not here to argue over trivial nonsense like that stuff. :D All I know is I have a set of AFS GS replica wheels (aka ZR1 wheels) on my '02 WS6 and they look hot LOL They are the "supposed" to be the exact same specs in terms of offset, backspacing, etc as my factory wheels and I have encountered zero problems with them since I put them on in December so I am guessing they are mighty darn close in those regards. All I know is they accept my factory tires, fit perfect in my wheel wells, don't rub and look the same, placement-wise as my stock WS6 wheels did, so that makes me happy.

I am not moving to Seattle for several months more then likely, so I would probably get the installation done down here in the LA/Burbank area. Now, I have heard of Guldstrand Motorsports, I just didn't know they were so close. If that is the case, I would be more then happy to fork over a little more $$ to get a quality installation and have the peace of mind that goes with it. If you have the address and/or a website for them, I would be most grateful for that info. :)

One other question, the mailing list I am on that turned me onto this GP is giving me some feedback. However, some of the thoughts are that this product is better suited for the 93-97's and not much of an upgrade for the 98+ cars. Can anyone comment on this for me? Anyone have this on a factory LS1 car with some light they would care to shed for me? It would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

Darrin

http://www.guldstrand.com/

Many thanks!!!!!

I have a set of these brackets and C5 brakes on my car and they are hands down the best mod I have ever done to it. I can get the ABS to activate at any speed I wish, and that's using the stock Z06 pads.

Installation was pretty easy too. All I used was basic hand tools and a sawzall.

You can get really good rotors for cheap at Autozone for this brake kit as well just in case you don't want to pay to have them shipped.

In other words, this is the best bang for the buck braking system for our cars, period. :cool: :D

I'm definitely in! :thumb:

Count me in as a DEFINITE!

COUNT ME IN!!!! I was gonna get a set anyway looks like sooner now. I am in definetly!!

Thanks, Scott

I'm ready to buy right now, where do I sign? Email at patrickaobrien@yahoo.com

Patrick

Okay, we are getting somewhere!

Here is what we have so far...

DEFINITE - (11)
Geoff Chadwick
Grover
JasonD
2MCHPWR
Rechtien
Kris96WS6
llafro
carlos64030
john97z28
1 Hot Z
lownslocamaro

POSSIBLY - (5)
94TA25ann
germ79
Curt Novak (via e-mail)
Scott Mandel (via e-mail)
Chris Passalaqua (via e-mail)

Now here is the latest on the potential production schedule...

It will take approximately 2.5 - 3.5 weeks to go from ordering the supplies to production to being shipped out once we give this pruchase the green light.

So, once we know that we will get 22 definites, I will put up a special page on our web site with orderings link for paying with either PayPal (preferred) or credit card. everyone will then kindly order ASAP. Once all orders are in, we will begin the production process. Remember how I said the terms where tight of this purchase in my first post of this thread? Well, I wasn't kidding but if we keep moving along they way we are, we should have no problems.

The sooner we get 22 definite orders in, the sooner the brackets can be produced and shipped.

Keep an eye on this thread, and keep spreading the word!

I would also like to take this time to thank Bob for his knowledge, his never ending quest for perfection and for doing this one last time.

I'm in right now!!! please contact me at Y5K@bellsouth.net!!

When's the cash due?

I'm all tapped out until I get back from cancun. :) (End of May)

I'd probably kick myself in the arse if I let this pass...so count me in...let me know what information you need.... :)

I am definitely in for 1 set. Please let me know via email how to handle payment and when the GP is finalized if possible. Thanks,

Ron

I am definitely in for a set of brackets!

One question.....in the future, will I still be able to order all the parts I need for the conversion as that package deal you mentioned on your site? I wont be able to do it right away, but in the next few months....

Also, I will be following this thread, but please put me on the list for brackets and let us know when to pay for them....

Glad I saw this thread! Thanks! :D

I am definetly in!

Chris Passalaqua

Ok, I've hemmed and hawed (is that even a word?) long enough. Count me in DEFINITELY for ONE set for my '02 Bird.

Darrin

Hey, I was just curious, since this is a front brake conversion only, what do yo do about the rear brakes?

Darrin

Here is what we have so far...this may get tight...

PLEASE READ THIS POST CAREFULLY!

DEFINITE - (18)
Geoff Chadwick
Grover
JasonD
2MCHPWR
Rechtien
Kris96WS6
llafro
carlos64030
john97z28
1 Hot Z
lownslocamaro
1stls1
guywithaZ
Turbo6
Sandman_97Z
ta4me
Curt Novak (via e-mail)
Rottluver

POSSIBLE - (3)
94TA25ann
germ79
Scott Mandel (via e-mail)

The people on the POSSIBLE list need to let me know ASAP if they are IN before someone takes their spot! I am expecting an e-mail from Scott Mandel for confirmation, so his may also be a definite. If that happens and 94TA25ann and germ79 also tell me they are DEFINITE, that leaves only ONE more required!

Steve in Seattle: The payment is required the instant we get the green light on this, which will be as soon as we get 22 definite sets sold. If we continue at the rate we are going, this should be next week or sooner so please keep an eye on this thread. I don't think we will be able to hold out until the end of May for you, since there are a few people who have races in a matter of weeks and want these brackets installed by then.

IMPORTANT NOTES
This is a "first come, first served" deal.

If we get MORE than 22 on the list...the 23rd (and up) person will be on a backup list in case one of the 22 has to back out. I do not see this happening but sometimes that's how things go sometimes.

In addition, these brackets are measured to very precise tolerances and once in a while, a set will get rejected if they are even the slightest bit out of the very tight tolerance range. Only 22 are to be made (because only 22 can be produced from a single piece of stock). If one set gets rejected, this will have to be a "first come, first served" deal in order of payment received. The list generated of definite buyers is not the placement of orders or even guarantees an order, it is the payment that dictates the placement of orders.

In other words, if one set gets rejected, the 22nd order will have to be refunded with our sincere apologies. This may not be an issue but it technically could happen.

Please keep this in mind at all times!

Also...
When we do give the green light to this purchase, we will not post the ordering link in this thread. We will send an e-mail to those who are on the list. We will do this because if demand exceeds the 22 orders, we don't want someone NOT on the list taking the order of someone who IS on the list. Please be sure that we can access your ACCURATE e-mail address from this message board.

Once the green light is given, we will post that it has and then post the list of people who will receive the order link in their e-mail. Please pay as soon as possible to avoid any delays.

I know this is complicated, but we don't want any confusion or anyone upset. I think this is going to work out well. Your patience and support is greatly appreciated.

Any questions, please post here or e-mail us!

Mark me up for 2 sets, which should put us at the mark. If I can get a third set, I'll take it.

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
Mark me up for 2 sets, which should put us at the mark. If I can get a third set, I'll take it.

Dang boy, how many cars do you have? LOL Or do these things not last for you? Should I be worried?

Darrin

1)your stock rear brakes are fine. They dont do much work anyway. Get better pads and rotors if you're really worried.

2)I have my droptop, I'm working on a secret 2nd car (lol) and I'm guessing I've got a friend that'll very likely want them. If not I'll just turn around and sell it to someone that didnt have the cash right now, but knowing there are only 22 more sets going to be made...

Bob's brackets were tested very well at one point. I remember reading it and everyone was in agreement that it was a very sound design/part.

Well it looks like all are spoken for now but, if someone drops out I'm in. I already have a set but would like a backup set as well AND I can pay anytime.

Z~

I want to purchase a set of the C-5 corvette brake adapter. just got off the phone with Bob Bishop have credit card ready please email me and let me know what to do Thanks Mark Oneil

Ripitup2 My email address is mwmotorsports@comcast.net let me know when they are available

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
1)your stock rear brakes are fine. They dont do much work anyway. Get better pads and rotors if you're really worried.

2)I have my droptop, I'm working on a secret 2nd car (lol) and I'm guessing I've got a friend that'll very likely want them. If not I'll just turn around and sell it to someone that didnt have the cash right now, but knowing there are only 22 more sets going to be made...

Bob's brackets were tested very well at one point. I remember reading it and everyone was in agreement that it was a very sound design/part.

1) Gotcha, I was just doing some research/reading on the various forums and noticed that a) no one really talks about upgrading the back brakes much and b) one person had mentioned going thru rear brakes like they were soft serve. However, the general agreement was that his computer was overcompensating for the upgraded front brakes and I believe he had changed to an awfuly aggressive rear pad if I recall correctly, or something similar. Also, he seemed to be autocrossing his car as well, which I don't do, so that shouldn't be an issue.

2) Makes perfect sense, I was just kinda curious cuz these parts don't seem like the kinda thing your average person would keep around as a spare.........thanks for clearing that up. :D

Just found this thread. Too late as usual. I want a set of these. Have credit card/paypal whatever. Put me down on the list, buying or backup. Whatever is open.

Yeah, tell me about it.

Any chance we could close this one out and try for a second 22-order GP in a month or so?

If so, count me in! :)

I don't know how much time Bob can put towards this project, but looking at the wait list I'm sure a second batch would sell if we gave it a month to collect signatures. :D

BTW, the pics posted above are damn sexy looking considering there's NO welds to worry about, and they're beautifully machined.

I missed out on Bob's first design, and love this new one... just need a month to get some funds for them (big Cancun trip on May-5th, so I'm saving everything I can for now :)).

You can count me in if it is not too late.
Derek

I'll take a set if availble.

Looks like I am way way down the list:cry: but put me on there in case there are problems with people following through. I will pay as soon as I recieve an email to do so. Thx

JWBerk@Adelphia.net

On the paypal thing. You said you preferred that so I set the money to come out today so I can pay. Paypal says it takes 3-4 days to get out of my checking account. Is that going to be an issue? Id prefer not to fall to number 22 just to wait for paypal and will simply use CC if that is the case. Esp since I was one of the first to jump on this.

Thanks,

Rechtien

When do we find out where to send the money? I don't want to miss out on this one.

HEY...I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING!!!! :alert: Are these brackets gonna be made for the LT1 or LS1 spindles, or some for both? :confused:

Originally posted by carlos64030
HEY...I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING!!!! :alert: Are these brackets gonna be made for the LT1 or LS1 spindles, or some for both? :confused:

Carlos,

My brackets mount on the backside of the steering knuckle. The LT1 and LS1 knuckles are identical on the back side. I am emailing you some pics.

Bob Bishop

Forget about my last question...I just read where it says these brackets are for the 1993-2002 F-body. I'll just assume that these brackets are universal between the 2 spindle designs.

Thanks Bob! I forgot that these brackets mount where the bearing assembly is. :) :thumb:

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
Mark me up for 2 sets, which should put us at the mark. If I can get a third set, I'll take it.

Now I have a VERY important question. Once the emails for the payment have been sent out to the 22 people on the definite list, what happens if someone like Mr. Chadwick decides to pay for 3 sets before I pay for my 1 set? Does that mean I get bumped because he paid for 3 and so I won't get any? Not trying to screw you out of your sets Geoff, I am just curious if you happen to be at your computer when the email comes in, and I am not there for another hour, and everyone else has sent in their money, will I get screwed because you want 3 and I was an hour behind you? I think this is a reasonable question.

Darrin

Whats the status on this? Any slots open? I'd like one if there is most likely...............
Brian

Yeah, I think it might be more fair, since so many people want them, and there is such a limited quantity, to limit 1 set of brackets per person.

I mean if we are short by 1 or 2 people, then I say its great that you want more to keep the GP alive. But it looks like there are quite a few more people than 22 who want these. Also not trying to screw you Geoff, but its only fair to everyone, dont you think?

Perhaps I should have made that clear. I NEED one set. But if we for some reason have people that back out, I'll take more.

I just hope all this fuss convinces Bob to make more then one batch ;-)

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
Yeah, I think it might be more fair, since so many people want them, and there is such a limited quantity, to limit 1 set of brackets per person.

I mean if we are short by 1 or 2 people, then I say its great that you want more to keep the GP alive. But it looks like there are quite a few more people than 22 who want these. Also not trying to screw you Geoff, but its only fair to everyone, dont you think?

OH MAN, I wasn't trying to start an anti-Geoff campaign here, I just was curious how this would work since there was a limited number of brackets available, and it is on a first come, first serve basis. I just don't want to lose out on my 1 set since I was one of the original 22 people to sign up, & because some people might order more then one set before I can get on the computer to order my one set. I do not have the ability to live in front of my computer, nor do I work, due to a disability, so I don't have the luxury of having one in front of me there to check during the day. So I have to force myself to remember to look regularly throughout the day so I do not miss out on this opportunity. I am just trying to look out for myself here without trying to screw anyone else out of the same opportunity at the same time.

Geoff, I hope you understand I am REALLY not trying to foul anything up for you, I truly am not. I just want to ensure that I get my measly one set is all...............I swear.

Darrin

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
Perhaps I should have made that clear. I NEED one set. But if we for some reason have people that back out, I'll take more.

I just hope all this fuss convinces Bob to make more then one batch ;-)

Praise the Lord!!!! I am glad you understand this has nothing to do with YOU. I hope for everyone's sake, BB does make another batch or 12. It seems like there is NO shortage of demand for those suckers and he could turn around and go into the manufacture of them full time and probably make a nice tidy little profit..........but I understand that it is quite a demanding process and I can see where he would not want to do this regularly, but I hope for all the last minute additions to the request list, that he does at least one more run after this. And also so that Geoff can have his extras. I am gonna feel like crap now if he doesn't get them. :( :( :(

Does anyone have any idea when the email for the purchase is coming out now? The 22 sets are obviously more then spoken for and then some..........just curious cuz the $$ is burning a hole in my wallet LOL

Darrin

I sent an email in because I was on the "maybe" list, but I haven't heard back yet. Anyone know what's going on for sure?

Jeremy

I will take a set.

I would like one set. I also reside in Toronto Canada so would need to know shipping costs.

Thanx,

No "Anti-Geoff" sentiments at all. Your post just got me thinking, thats all.

Geoff: I completely understand where you're coming from, and I think thats awesome of you. :D

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
No "Anti-Geoff" sentiments at all. Your post just got me thinking, thats all.

Geoff: I completely understand where you're coming from, and I think thats awesome of you. :D

Sorry Sandman, I wasn't trying to imply you had anti-Geoff sentiment. Aacckk, this kinda got blown off course. Geoff seems to understand what I meant, and that is all I wanted. I am new to this particular board and I just didn't want to cause a problem my first week here is all LOL I have a lot of respect for Geoff in what he was trying to do if we couldn't come up with 22 buyers. :bow: That was WAY cool of him to offer to buy more then one set beyond what he personaly needed just to get the GP up to the required number, and for that he has my utmost respect.

So let's just drop this whole thing now since Geoff voiced his deal and we are all in understanding now I think? LOL I will just shut up and go back to patiently waiting for my email for my meager one set and be happy LOL

Thanks again to everyone and once again I hope I didn't piss anyone off here.

Darrin

Ok,how long do we wait? I havn't gotten anything on my EMAIL and I have not done this before. I dont even know if anybody can contact me from here.Can somebody sent a test so I can make sure.;)

This is going to happen!

However, since this is a "first come, first served" deal, I have to make the list based on when people said they were definite. This is to ensure fair placement for this since we have overflow. Since people said they were definite in two places (here on this message board and through e-mail), it makes things complicated.

I am compiling information now. Everyone please be ready.

I spoke with Bob and unfortunately, there probably will not be another GP for these. I am sorry.

Excellent glad to hear!!!

Works for me cuz it looks like I am #18 on the definite list. I can live with that. :)

Darrin

Also last I knew Bob didnt make much on these brackets, and honestly speaking I really dont see how. The tolerances held are so high you'd have a lot of careful machine time to work on, then checking the part with a micrometer takes more time. If you then pick up the fact that material costs are rising (where I work our suppliers have been forced into a 20% increase on most alloys in the past two weeks) for $275 there isnt much room to play with.

But also you have to realize the work involved from day one. This is the piece that holds your brake calipers on. If it were to fail, you'd have no pedal brakes, and most likely the calipers would get shoved into something else and create a world of damage. Gotta give Bob Props for such a killer design and so much work. If there were only a way to have these still made now that he says he's done... It'd be Bob's decision some day if these were passed on to someone else for the same care and work that he puts into them now.:thumb:

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
Gotta give Bob Props for such a killer design and so much work. If there were only a way to have these still made now that he says he's done... It'd be Bob's decision some day if these were passed on to someone else for the same care and work that he puts into them now.:thumb:

I hear that........it sure sounds like he is doing a phenomenal <sp?> amount of painstaking work for not a bunch of money. Seems to me like he would be best suited to do this last production run, trademark or patent the design (if it isn't already) and then sell it to someone who could be trusted to carry on the same quality work and care, as Geoff said, to continue to make them available for others. Of course, that is the business person in me speaking. :D

Darrin

Any update yet?

Happy Easter!

Following is a list of people who eventually stated they were a definite buyerand the order that they contacted me, along with the method of contact. I list the method of contact to avoid confusion as some people e-mailed me and then later posted on this board. Fortunately, this did not distrupt the order of things nor did it "bump" someone out of the first 22.

1) Grover (via e-mail)
2) ta4me (via e-mail)
3) Geoff Chadwick
4) JasonD
5) 2MCHPWR
6) Rechtien
7) Curt Novak (via e-mail)
8) germ79
9) Kris96WS6
10) llafro
11) carlos64030
12) john97z28
13) 1stls1 (via e-mail)
14) 1 Hot Z
15) lownslocamaro
16) guywithaZ
17) Turbo6
18) Sandman_97Z
19) Rottluver
20) Ripitup2 (via e-mail)
21) ZLT195
22) 97 CAIVIAROSS (via e-mail)

The above people will receive an e-mail within 24 hours with a link to an ordering page along with some instructions. Again, please make sure the e-mail address you use on this message board (or if you contacted us about this via e-mail) is accurate so you get the e-mail from us! Due to time constraints, all orders must be placed by 4/14/04 or you will lose your spot and a person on the backup list will be able to take it.

Backup List Order:
23) BBZ
24) backrdrunner
25) JWBerk94Z
26) sleeperZ96BT
27) richclv
28) No_Secrets

I am sorry we cannot make everyone happy, we weren't even sure if we would get the 22 we needed.

Thanks again for the patience.

Please, use my email from this board instead of the one I emailed you from.

Talk about being last on the list #28(Alternative)...I just found out about this GP yesterday and although I was quick to react it looks like Iwas not quick enough.

If this truly is my last shot of getting one of these brackets can any excepetions be made as to how many Bob can make? I fully realize the time and energy it takes to make these brackets, however, it would be a shame that I won't be able to do the upgrade now because the bracket is not available anymore?

Happy Easter and hopefully someone else shares my pain.

Originally posted by No_Secrets
Talk about being last on the list #28(Alternative)...I just found out about this GP yesterday and although I was quick to react it looks like Iwas not quick enough.

If this truly is my last shot of getting one of these brackets can any excepetions be made as to how many Bob can make? I fully realize the time and energy it takes to make these brackets, however, it would be a shame that I won't be able to do the upgrade now because the bracket is not available anymore?

Happy Easter and hopefully someone else shares my pain.

No Secrets,

Not trying to rain on your Easter Parade, but the way it was explained to me and how I understand it is this: Bob uses a piece of material, what the brackets are made from, and from that one piece of material, 22 brackets can be fabricated. Apparently that material is not available in any other size or shape. Now, this is in laymans terms, mostly cuz I am THE layman of all times, so hopefully it makes sense. But I don't think there is anything left over to make any extra or spares. The REALLY bad part is that not all 22 of us are even guaranteed to get them. Apparently if something goes wrong with any one of them, and they don't meet up with the standards, they get trashed and there isn't enough material left to make up for that. So, again, sorry to be a downer, but 22 is the MOST possible, and that isn't even written in stone....................sorry bro.

My suggestion is this, Make yourself known to everyone who buys a set on the off chance that they decide not to install them and turn around and sell them. Or, as stated by Speed Specialties, if 1 or more of the 22 do not end up buying their alloted bracket, you do have a chance to get one, however slim. Or, you can keep an eye on this and other message boards to see if any go up on sale in the near future in case someone decides they don't want to go this route after all. You can keep an eye on eBay as well for the same reason. And last but not least, if you read through this thread, there was talk of some other company that sells a similar, but maybe not quite as good product (although I hear their customer service sux) for a little bit more $. But at least you would be able to acomplish the goal of getting the C5 front brakes on your F-Body. By the way, I don't mean to imply that the other product is junk, but I hear that this one we are all clamoring for her is TOP NOTCH and is several times better then the standard. That doesn't mean that this other product is bad, just means that this one is that much better is all.

I know this isn't exactly what you wanted to hear, but I can't change the facts. If I could my friend, believe me, I would. :) I hope this helps you out at least a little bit.

Darrin

PS If I am wrong on any of these details....someone PLEASE feel free to correct me. I am THE last person to be considered an expert in this area. I was just going off what I have read here, and in my research before I decided to purchase a pair of the brackets. I was also trying to simplify it so it was easily understandable and not full of technical jargon.

[i]1) Grover (via e-mail)
2) ta4me (via e-mail)
3) Geoff Chadwick
4) JasonD
5) 2MCHPWR
6) Rechtien
7) Curt Novak (via e-mail)
8) germ79
9) Kris96WS6
10) llafro
11) carlos64030
12) john97z28
13) 1stls1 (via e-mail)
14) 1 Hot Z
15) lownslocamaro
16) guywithaZ
17) Turbo6
18) Sandman_97Z
19) Rottluver
20) Ripitup2 (via e-mail)
21) ZLT195
22) 97 CAIVIAROSS (via e-mail)
[/B]

Just a quick question for those on the 22 definite list......how many of you are LS1 owners? 1998+ cars? I am just curious is all. Thanks in advance.

Darrin

Great news,thanks for the update! Yes, I'm a LS1.Now I need to contact my dealer about what parts I need now to complete this upgrade.;)

Originally posted by 1stls1
Great news,thanks for the update! Yes, I'm a LS1.Now I need to contact my dealer about what parts I need now to complete this upgrade.;)

Cool, I am not the lonely only LOL

Earlier, several pages back, there is a link which will let you download a list, including part numbers of everything you need for the complete upgrade. It also includes the names of a place or two to get them at for a good price as well.

Darrin

The e-mail went out to the first 22. Please be looking for it and pay as soon as possible so we can get these into production.

Please read that e-mail carefully!

Thanks to all!

Aaaaaaand.........paid. :D

Thanks Bob and Speed Specialty! :thumb:

Speed specialty: I recieved your email and I tried to order these. But there is nothing for me to click onto to put the brakes into my shopping cart so I may check out and to give you my cc #.

Thanks, Scott

Originally posted by 1 Hot Z
Speed specialty: I recieved your email and I tried to order these. But there is nothing for me to click onto to put the brakes into my shopping cart so I may check out and to give you my cc #.

Looking into it. Our credit card processing company server may be having maintenance done.

As an alternative, You CAN use a credit card through PayPal. You don't even have to be a PayPal member or have a PayPal account.

I am definitely in for 1 set if I can still get in .... Kfarron1@nycap.rr.com

Can pay with paypal NOW ...

Keith...

Geoff if your gettin 2 sets let me know, I'll throw you the cash for the 2nd set since I dont think I can still get in on this... :(

Come on guys...get those payments in! :metal:

Thanks for the quick response Speed specialty!! I did go through the pay pal link and clicked onto using a cc. That seemed to work so payment has been sent JD.
:D

Thanks, Scott

ROLL CALL!!! It would be nice if Bob could start ordering his materials tomorrow, sooooo...who all has made their payment? I got my payment in earlier this afternoon! ROLL CALL!!!

My payment was made about 6pm central time.

Payment's in.

Check off #13:D !

Paid...my email got put in my SPAM folder :mad: ...so it took me longer because I was waiting for it...

My payment is in!!!
Derek

(#12) Just sent the Paypal payment in! ;)

Uuhhh, I think you forgot somebody :rolleyes:

Just want to make sure my transaction went through, I received my verification email from Paypal that it did. :thumb:

Psst you forgot me too...but come to think of it I don't think I gave you any identification of who I was on the order...my bad...I'll contact you... :)

#5 (me) is PAID :D

I did this conversion almost a year ago and it was worth every $$$. Getting braided brake lines for the C5 up front and LT1 or LS1 in the rear was kind of tricky. I just ordered some C-5 front brake lined from Paragon Performance They cost me 59.00 +4.50 S&H. That was just for the front 2 lines. Part # I used was PLC 972001 There may be other lines that will work as well. I would buy from them again because there was almost no wait for the lines, and he made them for me. They came with washers too.
Now if someone has some new and better info feel free to corrrect my info. My lines have worked good since the install. James

Looks like there are only 4 more payments to go! :metal:

Originally posted by carlos64030
Looks like there are only 4 more payments to go! :metal:

Ok, make it 3. #19 has now officially paid. I apologize for taking so long, but I was 120 miles away from home (visiting in San Diego) all day yesterday for Easter and unable to get to my computer until just now. Money was sent via Paypal so I am good to go boys & girls. :cool:

:::5 minute update::: Paypal confirmed the transaction so it should be all good. I only had a concern because immediately after sending the payment and typing this initial response, my computer magically (Blaster Worm) restarted itself and I wasn't sure if I had lost anything or if the transaction had gone through. But all is well, it went thru, I have the conformation email and I cannot wait to get my brackets.!!!!!!

#10 just sent in the payment.

Thanks,

BRAD

Originally posted by guywithaZ
Is there anywhere to check for positive feedback on this kit...or can anyone vouch for the quality of it...thanks...:)

I've got them on my 95Z...excellant quality, fit, finish, performance, well written and easy to follow instructions, and to top it all off, Bob is a pleasure to deal with and quick to respond with excellant knowledge on the subject of braking. What more can one say??? :) The only risk is that you might not be able to get them if you don't hurry!!!

Finally got mine ordered! I just sent the PayPal in!

Jeremy

Ok, now what about the rears? Can the C5 calipers fit on our rear???

Originally posted by 1stls1
Ok, now what about the rears? Can the C5 calipers fit on our rear???

Yeah, I was kinda wondering about upgrading my rears as well now that the fronts are going to be so much better........wouldn't you have to replace the rotors with the C5 rear rotors as well if you went that route?

I am open to any and all suggestions. Especially since I was just involved in an accident 3 1/2 weeks ago, I am looking to upgrade my brakes big time. Though my brakes had NOTHING to do with the wreck, I was at a stop sign, sitting still and was rear ended, I would still like to get the best brakes I can on this sucker for peace of mind issues alone.

Darrin

Unless your car sees some serious track time, I dont think you'll need to worry about the rears. They do maybe 25% of the stopping on our cars.

I would say the more cost effective route with the rears (if you really want to upgrade them) is to get a really good set of rear rotors and pads. That will make for a nice improvement. Pretty much all the F-body guys I race with take this route, as will I. :D

And here is the latest...

1) Grover (PAID)
2) ta4me (PAID)
3) Geoff Chadwick (PAID)
4) JasonD (PAID)
5) 2MCHPWR (PAID)
6) Rechtien (PAID)
7) Curt Novak (PAID)
8) germ79 (PAID)
9) Kris96WS6 (PAID)
10) llafro (PAID)
11) carlos64030 (PAID)
12) john97z28 (PAID)
13) 1stls1 (PAID)
14) 1 Hot Z (PAID)
15) lownslocamaro (PAID)
16) guywithaZ (PAID)
17) Turbo6 (PAID)
18) Sandman_97Z (PAID)
19) Rottluver (PAID)
20) Ripitup2 (PAID)
21) ZLT195
22) 97 CAIVIAROSS (PAID)

ZLT195...I hope you got the message! Haven't heard anything back from you.

Everyone else, we are going to get this rolling. If ZLT195 has to back out, I am sure we won't have any problems filling the order.

Thank you all!

Originally posted by BlownF1
I've got them on my 95Z...excellant quality, fit, finish, performance, well written and easy to follow instructions, and to top it all off, Bob is a pleasure to deal with and quick to respond with excellant knowledge on the subject of braking. What more can one say??? :) The only risk is that you might not be able to get them if you don't hurry!!!

I just got around to installing my ZO6 brakes. They are excellent quality. the tolerances are tight and perfect. the instructions provided are very easy to follow. here are some pics for those that dont know what they look like on a car:

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/537264/2

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
Unless your car sees some serious track time, I dont think you'll need to worry about the rears. They do maybe 25% of the stopping on our cars.

I would say the more cost effective route with the rears (if you really want to upgrade them) is to get a really good set of rear rotors and pads. That will make for a nice improvement. Pretty much all the F-body guys I race with take this route, as will I. :D

This feels like deja vu.......I feel like I have been here before LOL
Seems like sound advice, no sense spending tons of extra money on the rears if I don't have to. Thanks for the info.
I just looked and we did discuss this about 4 pages back. Sorry y'all, I take too much medication for my short term memory to process things properly so I apologize. :o

Darrin

I WANT A SET, HAVE CASH IN PAYPAL ACCOUNT NOW !!!!

kfarron1@nycap.rr.com


MAKE SOME MORE, I WANT IN !!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Rottluver
This feels like deja vu.......I feel like I have been here before LOL
Seems like sound advice, no sense spending tons of extra money on the rears if I don't have to. Thanks for the info.
I just looked and we did discuss this about 4 pages back. Sorry y'all, I take too much medication for my short term memory to process things properly so I apologize. :o

Darrin

hehe its cool man :D

I WANT A SET, HAVE CASH IN PAYPAL ACCOUNT NOW !!!!

Welcome to back up list.

I REALLY want to get in on a set of these! Anybody have a spare set, or one they will not be using??? HELP! I have all of the other parts, and just need the brackets!

Steve

So far everyone on the list is going to get one (1) set, nobody could get two (2) sets. I think all 22 sets are paid for.

Best hope is finding a used set or somehow managing a 2nd batch to be made.

Everyone,

The aluminum order has been placed, and things are moving along.

I am twisting Bob's arm to make another batch, but he really just wants to retire from this and doesn't seem to want to budge. He is a terrific guy and all he orginally wanted to do was make a few for himself and it grew beyond what he had intended.

Just for kicks, I will keep a "backup list" in case I can talk him into it, but seriously, I don't think another batch is something he is considering. I wouldn't expect it, anyway.

Thanks to all for your patience, your understanding and your support.

This sucks. I am in the Air Force and deployed to the Middle East for about 2 months now. A few days ago was the first time I have been able to get on the board and I see this thread. I was going to do this swap as soon as I got home. I just got the 99 C5 rims. If anyone drops out I want in. I have money in hand.

I can safely assume everyone has paid then right?
And I appreciate the fact that Bob made this opportunity available to a lucky 22 to get a set of these brackets, even if I dont get a set. Thanks.

Brian

Sorry people, I didn't even know I made the list..lol I thought all were spoken for and I was on travel just got back and found I got an e-mail so I just did the pay pal thing so this should be a done deal..

Z~

ZLT195 just made his payment.

I am sorry for those who didn't get the chance to get these. So, this was a rough one but I am glad we pulled it off. Again, I apologize to those who couldn't manage to get in on this, I truly wish we could do more.

I am still talking to Bob and after this he is definitely going to stop making these for at least a while, that is for sure.

One thing he mentioned in our conversations is that we'll take another look at the situation in June. There are no guarantees of course but just in case, I am going to keep a running list of those who are not just interested but CAN and WILL definitely buy at least one set of this situation were to ever come up again later this year. The price may be significantly higher then as well, so keep that in mind. Please e-mail me with a note of interest and I will put you on my list just IN CASE the chance were to come up again.

Thanks again to all!

Please keep me on the back up list.

A suggestion to Speed Speciality shop - if Bob agrees to making another batch have him buy the materials now that way it cuts down on the overall costs.

Bob can make the next batch on his own schedule, of course this is with the assumption he agrees to making another batch!

Thanx

Speed Specialty: Would there ever be any arrangements you could make to continue production of the brackets with Bob's permission? Those are definitely a hot item and I put my C5 brakes on about 2 weeks ago and they are AWESOME. I was lucky enough to get them from Bob back in the fall and did the entire conversion for $750 and absolutely no prior knowledge of brakes at all. I foresee this conversion as being highly profitable for your company with Bob's compliance/blessing. Plus what if for some reason I need a replacement? ;)

I recieved your email and was disapointed that I missed out out on it. I'm pissed at my self for not saying I was definite. I thought I was on the list for sure thats why I didn't bother to check it while I was on vacation. Can you keep my info down, just in case Bob does decide to do another batch this summer or whenever. I really wanted to do this setup and I'm disapointed that I didn't get a pair. Fair is fair :( Let me know in the future if he is going to make another batch.

Thanks

Jon

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
One thing he mentioned in our conversations is that we'll take another look at the situation in June. There are no guarantees of course but just in case, I am going to keep a running list of those who are not just interested but CAN and WILL definitely buy at least one set of this situation were to ever come up again later this year. :D

The price may be significantly higher then as well, so keep that in mind. :(

Please e-mail me (info@speedspecialty.com) with a note of interest and I will put you on my list just IN CASE the chance were to come up again.

I'm sending mail now. As I mentioned before, June would be perfect for me. :)

I've updated the back-up list below.

Second Batch Order:
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen

Possible extra sets wanted:
14) Rechtien
15) Geoff Chadwhick
16) Geoff Chadwhick

Originally posted by lateapex
I don’t know when you are moving to Seattle, but I have a customer with a shop in Vancouver, WA (150 miles south of Seattle. His brackets should be delivered today. Don’t know when he plans to do his install. If you are moving soon, maybe you could watch him install his and/or have him do your conversion. I emailed him a link to this thread.

I also have a customer who had me drop ship his brackets to Guldstrand Motorsports in Burbank, where he had his conversion done. If you are not familiar with them, Dick Guldstrand was a one of the first Corvette racers (in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s), and when he retired from racing, he opened a tuner shop in California which was BIG before Callaway and Lingenfelter came along. Let me know if you want Guldstrands address. I don't think they would work "cheap". Might be worth a call.

Ya know, when I first read this post I had NO idea who you were....I just thought you were another member posting. I am a bit slow on the uptake so forgive me. I just wanted to say thank you for the referrals to the two places. If I am still here when I puchase the rest of the kit (rotors, calipers, etc) I will be having Guldstrand do it, if they will. If I am in Seattle, did we ever learn of the shop name or the customer who is in Vancouver that can do it? If not, I will just have to spend the money now and do it here in Burbank I reckon. :D :D :D

Thank you very much for your help.

Darrin

Hey put my name on the list if he decides to make some more brackets.

Thanks
chad

Originally posted by Chad Allen
Hey put my name on the list if he decides to make some more brackets.

Done. :)

Although I encourage EVERYONE to send your complete contact info to info@speedspecialty.com so they know the demand is out here for a second batch.

So what about the rear calipers now that we are putting on nice big red ones up front?

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
The price may be significantly higher then as well, so keep that in mind.

:(

Originally posted by 1stls1
So what about the rear calipers now that we are putting on nice big red ones up front?

That question has been asked and answered at least twice in this thread alone....:blah:

Originally posted by Sandman_97Z
That question has been asked and answered at least twice in this thread alone....:blah:

Yeah, both times by me I think. :( :(

Originally posted by 1stls1
So what about the rear calipers now that we are putting on nice big red ones up front?

Concerning cosmetics, I respond to that question toward the bottom of this thread: http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=244015

Alternatively, you may get standard C5 front calipers (same price) which are a dark gray, and don’t call attention to themselves.

Concerning performance, use good brake fluid and keep it fresh, and use rear pads appropriate for your application (street, AX, road race). Under maximum deceleration, the front brakes are doing approx. 80% of the stopping.

Bob Bishop

I sent my money directly to Bob Bishop. So I am all set

Originally posted by lateapex
Alternatively, you may get standard C5 front calipers (same price) which are a dark gray, and don’t call attention to themselves.

Bob Bishop

Mr. Bishop,

As far as the "standard" C5 dark grey calipers, are they any different in performance or safety or is it just asthetics? I personally do not want to have bright red calipers sticking out from under my wheels, especialy ones that have the word, "CORVETTE" emblazoned on raised lettering. I am, however, willing to go that route if the standard C5 calipers are less in quality/performance/safety then the red CORVETTE ones.

Do you know if the standard C5 calipers are the same? If so, does anyone have the part number for them? Bright red calipers on my Navy Blue TA w/Black wheels just doesn't sound like it would look too hot.

TIA,
Respectfully submitted,
Darrin

There is no difference between the 2 calipers but the color. There is a link to the parts list on the 2nd post in this thread. It includes the part #’s for both caliper colors.

Originally posted by lateapex
There is no difference between the 2 calipers but the color. There is a link to the parts list on the 2nd post in this thread. It includes the part #’s for both caliper colors.

BITCHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the help. You are the best and I thank you for this last run of the brackets.

Darrin

OK, put on the backup/June list as well. I definitely want some and I have money in hand (and time, June is OK for me). I will cc speed specialty as well. Thanks-
Pat

Also,
It seems pretty clear that these are the best quality option at present, and if that is the case then thats what I want. However, and I certainly dont want to rain on anyone's parade, but if Bob is truly out no one should mind me asking... where can I find this other mystery manufacturer? I have been looking for quite some time to find these brackets from Bob, now I find he is no longer making them, and I have yet to find another source. Anyone mind posting a link? I am definitely willing to wait until June to see if Bob will make some more (PLEEEEEESE put me on the list), but I really want to upgrade to C5 calipers and we need a backup plan!

For those that are looking for a C5 brake caliper bracket, contact Baer Brakes. They sell brake packages for the f-body that utilizes the same C5 (PBR) caliper. You might be able to pick up a set of brackets from them as an alternative.

If you use the Baer adaptor bracket, you must use their whole system. They do not offer an adaptor for the C5 front brakes that allows you to use the C5 rotor. Back in 1998, I called Baer twice asking them to design such an adaptor bracket. When they refused, I decided to do it myself. I concluded that they wanted to continue making money after the initial sale by forcing the customer to come back to them for (very expensive) replacement rotors. I wanted to be able to use inexpensive and universally available C5 rotors.

The Baer rotor they supply with their C5 front caliper system is larger in diameter than the C5 rotor, and probably a different rotor offset also, so they have to locate the caliper further out. GM High Tech Performance put the Baer GT+ system on their Thunderchicken project car. They seasoned the rotors, but the first weekend on the track, both rotors cracked all the way through. Baer sent them replacements that were a newer heavy-duty design. Those replacements were about 5 lbs heavier per rotor than the GM C5 rotor, and I believe their current rotor replacement cost is over $400/pr. The C5 factory rotors can be bought for $100/pr., but many racers use the NAPA C5 rotors for about $54/pr. Plus, if you or a future owner of your car ever needs rotors, they can be bought at any GM dealer or parts store. The Baer rotors can only be sourced from Baer.

I think Baer’s price is around $1200 for the system, and most who are using it seem to like it very much.

The “other” bracket was (is?) made by LG Motorsports. You can read one owner's thoughts and see his pictures of the LG bracket at: http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=377684&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

That bracket could only be used with LS1 steering knuckles. And, the last anyone posted about it, it still could not accept the C5 Pad Abutment Bracket. It forced LS1 owners to “reuse” their LS1 PAB’s, which is not fully compatible with the larger 12.8” C5 rotor. Also, you have to do some grinding on the back side of C5 (or ZO6) calipers to make them fit. Also, if you want to use C5 pads, you have to grind on each set of them to make them fit.

The last 2 people that I have seen post about them said that they have not received replies to multiple emails asking for info and pricing. They are (were) not listed on LG's web site. I believe that the Baer GT+ system is a better engineered solution.

put me down for a set, come on bob make more plz ;)

OK Bob you're killin' us! That doesnt sound like something I want on a car I road race. I'm sorry it has come to this, it's pretty clear how hard you work on these things, and how adamant you are about relieving yourself of this burden, but Bob, you simply leave us no choice... myself and my waitlisted conspirators are waiting outside your door in a black van with tinted windows. Yup, thats us. Come outside willingly and we'll give you plenty of food and water, and one phone call a day until the brackets are made. I'm kidding of course, we'll give you beer. Seriously though, if there is even the slightest chance you might make more sometime this summer - I'll wait. Thanks for considering it anyway-
Pat

- Could whoever is running the show give me some confirmation that I am somewhere on the backup list? Thanks-

Well, this really isn't an "official" 2nd batch list... but I'm trying to convince Bob that a June batch would be a great idea. :)

I mean come on Bob, you know you want some cash for summer right? :D



Second Batch Order:
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen
14) SSTAT
15) chasmanZ28

Possible extra sets wanted:
16) Rechtien
17) Geoff Chadwhick
18) Geoff Chadwhick

Count me in for 2 more sets... and possibly 2 or 4... so I hope to geta good price also ;)

I want on the next list. I have money now. I will prepay if I have to.

Count me in.

That makes another 22 right there doesnt it? Why not just make a second batch right now? Yea! Yea! Its not too late to make the black van go away Bob:)
Pat

Hmmm.... close, but obviously Bob's got his hands full with making the first set right now. I don't know if Geoff is for sure in on his extra sets.

By June there will DEFINITELY be enough interest to get this accomplished, even if a few drop out from the list below I'm sure we can fill their spots easily.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen
14) SSTAT
15) chasmanZ28
16) The Highlander
17) The Highlander
18) jasycZ28
19) NSSINR8 U
20) a5150ward
21) jmzlt1
22) anasazi (depending on price)

Possible extra sets wanted:
23) Geoff Chadwhick (awaiting confirmation)

Please add me to the new list!!! Thanks!

I just wanted the one set and since I got in on that list I really do not want to take the opportunity from someone else so please remove me from the backup list.

Thanks,

Rechtien

You can count me in also for the second batch or first if any drops out. :D We definitely have enough for another batch. Come on Bob, do it! :)

:) Glad to see I'm on the list for the 2nd batch... If it does happen...

if this does happen in a few months i'll be up for it, but not for a significantly higher price (poor college student budget) :(

Bob,

Could you but the materials now for the second batch? This will help keep the costs the same or slightly more for the second batch?

Of course this is if you agree to the second batch which I hope you do...I know I speak for the rest of the gang as you will have 22 very happy guys!

Thanx,

Everyone,

Just wanted to let you know I am still watching this thread.

Please keep in mind that Bob would probably very much like to fully retire from this. Let's try to let it rest for a while, just out of respect.

I have just found some new info, I dont feel it is appropriate to post here since it involves a different vendor and since speedspecialty has worked so hard for us. But for those on the wait list check out my thread in the chassis and brake section. Also, might humbly ask for your opinion Bob - if you want people off your back maybe this has some hope- could you chime in?

Nevermind, talked to the vendor, found out they are just the LG brackets sold by a different vendor. Sorry Bob, you're back on the hook:)

The more we get down on lists the better the probability of this hapenning.. .I sure hope bob agrees to it.

HTWLSS wants two sets please.

(The list only shows one.)

Thanks!

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
Everyone,

Please keep in mind that Bob would probably very much like to fully retire from this. Let's try to let it rest for a while, just out of respect.

Just some food for thought for those of you who didn't make it onto the 1st list: A lot of people who are trying to make up their minds about things will tend to feel backed into a corner with this kind of pressure/constant inquiry. Maybe the best thing to do is to do as Speed Specialty requested and let Bob rest and make up his mind later.

I know everyone wants some of these, but I know that when I am feeling pressured, I would probably quit over agreeing to do another batch if I was getting bombarded with requests when I had already said no..........or even maybe.

Just my humble $.02

Darrin

Yup, I agree. Just leave it alone. if it happens, it happens, if not then oh well.

This is just an update on current production. The aluminum came in yesterday, and after they cut it up, I went to the shop to watch as they set up the mill. Because I demand (and pay them for) such tight tolerances, after they load the CNC program, they have to make some “test” brackets from scrap stock to zero in on the perfect index location for the blanks. I make them fly cut (clean up) all sides of each billet blank before starting to mill the bracket shape. That way when they index it for the final milling, each one comes out identical to my spec (last batch, within .001”).

When I left the shop (wanting to beat the Atlanta traffic), they still had a little more “zeroing in” to do, but wanted to get it finished before leaving so they could start fabrication first thing today. Tentatively, they will be finished by Friday, and then I will do initial QC, and all that pass will go to my shot peener. The peener just told me that he should be able to have them finished by 4/28. It takes me 2-3 days to do final QC, package the sets individually, and package the master cartons. So, there is a good chance that I will be able to ship them out to Speed Specialty by 4/30.

I fully understand that there are more people who would like brackets. Feel free to keep a list, but I really don’t want to think about it now. Even the hassle of getting the bolts I want is a giant pain. The supplier thinks that all bolts rated at 10.9 or 12.9 are the same. They hate it when I demand bolts from a certain foundry. They say, “they are the same as these bolts we have from Czechoslovakia, and they are IN STOCK”. Then they make me pay additional shipping fees and “special order” fees to get what I want; but overall, they are still less expensive than the other suppliers I have used. They even get me the German lockwashers I prefer. I even spoke with ARP about making the bolts for me, but they said they could not quite reach the 12.9 rating I needed on the 10mm bolts, and I was not pleased with the sample they sent.

When this is finished, I will not want to think about another batch. But, after a month or two, it usually doesn’t seem like it was so much hassle.

Bob

Hey Bob, do what you feel you have to. Don't let us pressure you into doing something you don't want to do. This list will remain as a "just in case" you decide to do another batch. I appreciate the fact that you're going through all this trouble for only a few individuals, very unheard of in this business. Again I appreciate you're consideration, thanks. James. :)

Originally posted by jmzlt1
Hey Bob, do what you feel you have to. Don't let us pressure you into doing something you don't want to do. This list will remain as a "just in case" you decide to do another batch. I appreciate the fact that you're going through all this trouble for only a few individuals, very unheard of in this business. Again I appreciate you're consideration, thanks. James. :) well i for one want to know if its a go even if i have to wait because if its not ill go a diffrent route

I you read Bob's post, I would say its not a done deal. If your wanting to upgrade your brakes now, you might as well go a different route.

Thanks for the status update on the production Bob.

Originally posted by lateapex
This is just an update on current production. The aluminum came in yesterday, and after they cut it up, I went to the shop to watch as they set up the mill. Because I demand (and pay them for) such tight tolerances, after they load the CNC program, they have to make some “test” brackets from scrap stock to zero in on the perfect index location for the blanks. I make them fly cut (clean up) all sides of each billet blank before starting to mill the bracket shape. That way when they index it for the final milling, each one comes out identical to my spec (last batch, within .001”).

When I left the shop (wanting to beat the Atlanta traffic), they still had a little more “zeroing in” to do, but wanted to get it finished before leaving so they could start fabrication first thing today. Tentatively, they will be finished by Friday, and then I will do initial QC, and all that pass will go to my shot peener. The peener just told me that he should be able to have them finished by 4/28. It takes me 2-3 days to do final QC, package the sets individually, and package the master cartons. So, there is a good chance that I will be able to ship them out to Speed Specialty by 4/30.

I fully understand that there are more people who would like brackets. Feel free to keep a list, but I really don’t want to think about it now. Even the hassle of getting the bolts I want is a giant pain. The supplier thinks that all bolts rated at 10.9 or 12.9 are the same. They hate it when I demand bolts from a certain foundry. They say, “they are the same as these bolts we have from Czechoslovakia, and they are IN STOCK”. Then they make me pay additional shipping fees and “special order” fees to get what I want; but overall, they are still less expensive than the other suppliers I have used. They even get me the German lockwashers I prefer. I even spoke with ARP about making the bolts for me, but they said they could not quite reach the 12.9 rating I needed on the 10mm bolts, and I was not pleased with the sample they sent.

When this is finished, I will not want to think about another batch. But, after a month or two, it usually doesn’t seem like it was so much hassle.

Bob

Bob.. suggestion... The most difficult part for us people is the bracket, why not forget the bolts and have people buy them from where YOU or the type that YOU recommend? I think its a bit less hassle for you.

Maybe he doesnt want people to skimp on the datails then blame his part for a catastrophic failure ... you know they would-

Originally posted by SSTAT
Maybe he doesnt want people to skimp on the datails then blame his part for a catastrophic failure ... you know they would-


brakes are going to be what keeps you out of a bad situation... definantly don't want them to fail when you need them the most :alert:

Please note: not complaining about anyone but me and my indecision.

Just tonight I go to my saved link of the brackets as previously listed on Speed Specialty to buy a set. WTF.

Then find this thread which I missed. Too much time spent trying to find a 2nd gen and playing with a black Buick

ARRRRRRRRRRGH

For those maintaining a tentative "back-up" list, put me down for a set.

Note for Mr. Bishop
Not that I'm telling you what to do (actually I'm begging), but please consider after a few months to continue production. I need good brakes, just had a 396 LT1 installed
PS. Bolts... I qualified two suppliers for a major OEM (used by several others, subsequently). Complete in-house production after drawing. If you want, PM me with bolt details, they may have sizes at the property class you need, or could do. I can ask my contacts there
Thanks


Ken Brown

In case anyone is interested. T-byrne is having a special on Baer brakes right now. The one that caught my eye was the GT+ kit which has 13.15x1.25" 2-piece rotors, PBR/BAER calipers and all hardware needed. This set is $990 but with the 10% discount he is offering it puts it right at $900.

Now, the C5 upgrade (I was one of the original 22 people and got in on the brackets) is $259 for the brackets plus $550 for the other hardware through the link that Speed Specialty provided which comes to around $810 total.

The C5 rotors aren't slotted or crossdrilled and are 12.8" in diameter compared to the 2-piece 13.15" diameter Baer rotors. Am I wrong for thinking that the extra $100 would be worth it for a complete Baer kit over the C5 upgrade since you get nicer looking 2-piece rotors as well as larger diameter. Why aren't more people considering this?

Any thoughts?

good point turbo6. those are nice.
but you can lower the price of the bob's bracket kit significantly if you buy used calipers. i just scored two fronts for $50. and you can save more money by buying napa rotors for $26 each. so that leaves the rest of the kit to make this work at $120 plus shipping from gmpartsdirect. so i'm getting the c5 kit for $490. :D

edit: i don't need the brake hoses either so that saves $35 (my friend gave me his old c5 lines when he switched to stainless ones, but i hope my stainless F body lines will work anyway). so my cost is now $455:cool:

Originally posted by Turbo6
The C5 rotors aren't slotted or crossdrilled

Any thoughts?

Since when is that a bad thing? My understanding of rotors is that the more flat surface you have, the better the braking will be. Slotted and crossdrilled rotors take away quite a bit of that flat space, thereby lessening the ability of the brakes to perform at maximum potential, and also weaken the rotor itself. From everything I have read/heard/seen, plain flat rotors are the best for pure stopping ability. If you are going for the *Bling* factor, then the slotted, crossdrilled rotors are sure to give you what you are looking for. Granted the ones you refer to are larger in size, but I would guess that is to make up for the fact that there is less total surface area to use for braking once the slots and holes are drilled in.

I guess it just all depends on what you want. I, personally, want the best possible braking I can get out of my car and could care less about *Bling*. But I don't show my car & I prefer the stealth look over the flashy look. But again, that is just me personally. If you don't mind giving up performance, the slotted, crossdrilled rotors are sure to add to the looks of any car. I just wouldn't count on those rotors lasting nearly as long as the "plain" variety. From what I know, they tend to warp and/or crack MUCH easier then "plain" rotors in general. I am not being brand specific here, so perhaps the ones you spoke of are stronger, but I wouldn't trust something that has been weakened severely by cuts and holes to last all that well......

Just my extremely humble $.02

Darrin

Problem with some drilled, slotted (or both) rotors is that is can be done poorly. If so the rotors may crack over time at the outer egde.

If you look at a stock "sports car" brake rotor - then look at say a 92' Ford Taurus, the rotor is one slab of metal. Done.

The C5 rotors are two slabs that are seperated by vanes. This is done to increase the mass that can absorb heat (slabs) and to eliminate it as fast as possible (vanes between them)

Drilling and Slotting attempts to remove hot gasses in the same way, however the goal there is not so much to cool the rotor, but remove any pockets of gas that are caught between the rotor and pad. If done well it does increase brake performance. Then again, so does staying with the $26 napa rotors and getting better pads.

Biggest problem to never forget with the baer kit, yes it is superior in ability, but you cant use off the shelf parts. You cant just walk down to the local auto store and get loaded up on everything you'd need to fix your brakes. It just doesnt happen. The advantage in that regard makes the C5 upgrade more then worthwhile... Also again, used parts makes the world better

I got all 4 used C5 calipers and the front brackets for $170 shipped. Not the best deal, but not horrid. I can chuck the rears, they're worthless to me. Then I just get the pins, brake lines, rotors and pads. Front rotors were $27 each, pads were $45 for both front wheels. So in the end $260+$170+100+$40+$30. Roughly $600 for the upgrade with ceramic pads, new rotors, and stainless lines. And as we've seen, it can be done cheaper.:D

The point with the C5 brakes which I chose, was bang for the buck... and that my pop's z06 brakes VERY Well so why change it...

Maybe I'll go with stopforce rotors and give it a go if my OEM GM Slotted and drilled discs warp easily and/or crack...

They costed me 105 each... So not a bad option.

Originally posted by KenB

PS. Bolts... I qualified two suppliers for a major OEM (used by several others, subsequently). Complete in-house production after drawing. If you want, PM me with bolt details, they may have sizes at the property class you need, or could do. I can ask my contacts there
Thanks

Ken Brown

Thanks for the offer Ken, but most of my bolts have arrived now. If I decide to make more brackets, I may get in touch. The salespeople at my bolt supplier who have helped me in the past told the “new guy” to help me this time. They hate to see me come in the door. I think I am their only customer who has returned lockwashers for being out of tolerance. And what made it worse was that they were only about .009” out. They thought I was crazy, but the lockwashers they get for me now are always right on spec.

PS For those comparing prices, the $809.00 total kit price includes shipping for those in the states. To compare apples with apples, say maybe $780 plus shipping.

im definately in 4 a 2nd batch got the money ready to go. But no pressure on Bob.

Originally posted by The Highlander
Maybe I'll go with stopforce rotors and give it a go if my OEM GM Slotted and drilled discs warp easily and/or crack...

I was just curious, what OEM Genreal Motors car do you have that comes with slotted and drilled rotors? I didn't know GM ever made those.......:confused:

Darrin

They are made specifically for the COrvette... I dont have a part number right now as I threw the box :(

Since i have the C5 brakes on ;) Thanks bob.

Originally posted by The Highlander
They are made specifically for the COrvette... I dont have a part number right now as I threw the box :(

Since i have the C5 brakes on ;) Thanks bob.

They came standard on the Vette? Do you know what year?

No they are not standard.. you can order them through GMPP

HHmmmm...............does anyone else know the part number of those rotors from GMPP. That sounds like what I would like to try when/if I do C5 brakes.

Originally posted by The Highlander
No they are not standard.. you can order them through GMPP

Aaahh gotcha. They are not OEM then, they are a performance part replacement.........now it makes more sense.

Originally posted by JWBerk94Z
HHmmmm...............does anyone else know the part number of those rotors from GMPP. That sounds like what I would like to try when/if I do C5 brakes.

They are part #’s 88926731 and 88926732 for the left and right front rotors. I called GM Delco/DuraStop about these when they came out. They recommended that they not be used for road racing. They told me that their cross-drilled rotors would crack just like everyone else’s in high speed competitive use. They are quality 30,000 psi tensile strength castings, and the holes are radius-chamfered, but the holes will still create stress risers.

Team Chevy said they can get them if anyone wants them; at least they meet minimum OEM quality standards.

They didn't tell me that when I bought them :(

anyways.. if they crack... 105 to replace only... so its not that bad ;)

I'll go for the originals if they do $60

Originally posted by TCredTA95
im definately in 4 a 2nd batch got the money ready to go. But no pressure on Bob.

Me too, I just read this thread dammit!!!

I would LOVE to buy a set for my 01SS...
No pressure on Bob either, and, if he decides to make some more, COUNT ME IN, my credit card is more than ready for this.

where to find braided front c5 lines and braided lt1 rear lines? Also, 1Litre of super blue brake fluid?

Chris P

One (only one) of the reasons I have recommended avoiding long-term use of SS hoses is because small particles of sand or debris can work their way between the braid and the Teflon inner hose. Through the repeated flexing of the hose, the debris can cut into the Teflon and lead to a rupture under pressure. For many years, there have been brake hoses that included a protective covering over the SS braid, but they have just been made for motorcycles. Internal abrasion was a serious problem for bike racers because their brake hoses were constantly pelted with debris. I had contacted one of those manufacturers a few years ago to see if they would make up some hoses for my Fbody, but they declined because of liability and DOT certification. Goodridge and Stoptech now offer such brake hoses.


Goodridge offers both C5 and F-body stainless steel braid covered Teflon brake hoses, and I have heard from a couple of sources that they now have a protective covering over the SS braid. I don’t know if they would sell only fronts or rears, but the complete kit part #’s are:

# 12217, LT1 w/o traction control
# 12206, C5

Stoptech offers front C5 hoses, which have a clear protective covering over the SS.
Brake Lines - Front Brake Line Kit, C5 Corvette, Front Stock
$72.00 - Item No. 85-180-4500

Man, glad I got my brackets when I did. Now I just have to go through with the conversion. Anyhow, powerstop is now making slotted and dimpled rotors for the C5. I've got a set and they look awesome. I'll let you know how they work out when I get everything mounted. :)

:thumb: For the people who got a set of these awesome brackets.

Yeap... I have my brackets too...

If I ever get another f-body I want to have a set and I also want to be able to have a spare set just in case.

Update.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen
14) SSTAT
15) chasmanZ28
16) The Highlander
17) The Highlander
18) jasycZ28
19) NSSINR8 U
20) a5150ward
21) jmzlt1
22) anasazi (depending on price)
23) HTWLSS (2nd Set)
24) KenB
25) TCredTA95
26) Carlos01SS

Possible extra sets wanted:
27) Geoff Chadwhick (awaiting confirmation)

Originally posted by Steve in Seattle
Update.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen
14) SSTAT
15) chasmanZ28
16) The Highlander
17) The Highlander
18) jasycZ28
19) NSSINR8 U
20) a5150ward
21) jmzlt1
22) anasazi (depending on price)
23) HTWLSS (2nd Set)
24) KenB
25) TCredTA95
26) Carlos01SS

Possible extra sets wanted:
27) Geoff Chadwhick (awaiting confirmation)

Beautiful...:)
Hopefully Bob will find it in his heart to make some more, I'm definitely in.

Originally posted by Steve in Seattle
Update.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) BBZ
...

Out of fariness, you will have to put ZLT195 at #1.

Here is why...I posted earlier in this thread, the following...

these brackets are measured to very precise tolerances and once in a while, a set will get rejected if they are even the slightest bit out of the very tight tolerance range. Only 22 are to be made (because only 22 can be produced from a single piece of stock). If one set gets rejected, this will have to be a "first come, first served" deal in order of payment received. The list generated of definite buyers is not the placement of orders or even guarantees an order, it is the payment that dictates the placement of orders.

In other words, if one set gets rejected, the 22nd order will have to be refunded with our sincere apologies. This may not be an issue but it technically could happen.

And it did happen. One set didn't make it through, so #22 got bumped, which was ZLT195. I had to tell him the bad news and refund his money. So, for whoever is keeping the list, please place ZLT195 at #1. We feel it is only fair.

Wait a second I thought I was the one that got bumped?

Email-

Hello Bob,

I am e-mailing you in regards to the brake bracket GP on CamaroZ28.Com. I
have some unfortunate news for you, I am sorry to say.

In the GP thread, I mentioned the following...

"...these brackets are measured to very precise tolerances and once in a
while, a set will get rejected if they are even the slightest bit out of
the very tight tolerance range. Only 22 are to be made (because only 22 can
be produced from a single piece of stock). If one set gets rejected, this
will have to be a "first come, first served" deal in order of payment
received. The list generated of definite buyers is not the placement of
orders or even guarantees an order, it is the payment that dictates the
placement of orders.

In other words, if one set gets rejected, the 22nd order will have to be
refunded with our sincere apologies. This may not be an issue but it
technically could happen."

Well, I just got word that one set was rejected during production and
unfortunately, it was your set since your payment was the 22nd to come
in. Like I mentioned above, I will have to refund your money with the most
sincere apologies.

I am VERY sorry about this, I hope you understand that no one could be at
fault, it was a problem that occurred in the machining process that made
the brackets.

As you might know, there is the potential for a second batch to be made in
a couple of months. If this happens and you are still interested, I will
ensure that you are first on the list.

Again, I apologize that this had to happen to your order. I hope you
understand and realize that we really didn't want this sort of thing to happen.

JD

Ok did my order get cancelled or not????? If so then I am at the top of the list right???....

Originally posted by ZLT195
Wait a second I thought I was the one that got bumped? Ok did my order get cancelled or not????? If so then I am at the top of the list right???....

D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!

I had my user names mixed up. I corrected it, probably gave 97 CAIVIAROSS a scare in the process.

I am sorry about that. I think I need a vacation. :(:(

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!

I had my user names mixed up. I corrected it, probably gave 97 CAIVIAROSS a scare in the process.

Oh now THAT has just got to suck.........poor guy. I would have been crying my eyes out. Bet he is glad to hear the news.

Sorry to hear that anyone lost out on a set though. :( :(

Darrin

Any word on us, now 21 lucky owners, when we expect to get the brackets?

Most recent list.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) ZLT195
2) BBZ
3) backrdrunner
4) JWBerk94Z
5) sleeperZ96BT
6) richclv
7) No_Secrets
8) Steve in Seattle
9) Hyperspeed 97z28
10) HTWLSS
11) jasycZ28
12) 94TA25ann
13) 818camaro95
14) Chad Allen
15) SSTAT
16) chasmanZ28
17) The Highlander
18) The Highlander
19) jasycZ28
20) NSSINR8 U
21) a5150ward
22) jmzlt1
23) anasazi (depending on price)
24) HTWLSS (2nd Set)
25) KenB
26) TCredTA95
27) Carlos01SS

Possible extra sets wanted:
28) Geoff Chadwhick (awaiting confirmation) [/B][/QUOTE]

All I have to say is WOW:eek: it was definitely a scare. I was soooo bummed out after reading the post. Sorry zlt195....
Derek

please excuse my ignorance but are these the only brackets made for this application? or are these just such high demand because of the quality of bob bishops brackets.??

i just find it a little puzzling that only one person makes them and has made them for everyone who has put c5 brakes on an F body.

if so i hope there is a second chance and that i will be able to get in on the next oppurtunuity.

I think he is the only one for ALL fbodies and 2 the quality is superb... more now in the aluminum brackets, but I did like the steel ones.

Originally posted by 1stls1
Any word on us, now 21 lucky owners, when we expect to get the brackets?
The bracket kits were all shipped to Speed Specialty today. The estimated delivery date to them is 5/6/04. Speed Specialty will be making the individual shipments to you all.

Happy braking.

Bob

Originally posted by lateapex
The bracket kits were all shipped to Speed Specialty today. The estimated delivery date to them is 5/6/04. Speed Specialty will be making the individual shipments to you all.

Happy braking.

Bob

DAYAM!!!! This thread started almost a month ago. I bought in over 3 weeks ago and up till this announcement, I had almost forgotten I ordered this stuff LOL So maybe by my B-Day (May 29) I will have C5 brakes on LOL Happy Birthday to me. :D :D :D

Originally posted by Rottluver
DAYAM!!!! This thread started almost a month ago. I bought in over 3 weeks ago and up till this announcement, I had almost forgotten I ordered this...

I am sorry if the expected delivery will not meet your needs. I am sure that Speed Specialty will be glad to refund your payment if that would be best for you.

I posted in this thread on 4/20, “The peener just told me that he should be able to have them finished by 4/28. It takes me 2-3 days to do final QC, package the sets individually, and package the master cartons. So, there is a good chance that I will be able to ship them out to Speed Specialty by 4/30.”

It took the 3 days rather than the 2 to finish final QC and do all of the packaging. So, I was not able to ship them on Friday, 4/30, and shipped them on the next ground shipment day, Monday, 5/3.

Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone.
Bob

Originally posted by lateapex
I am sorry if the expected delivery will not meet your needs. I am sure that Speed Specialty will be glad to refund your payment if that would be best for you.

I posted in this thread on 4/20, “The peener just told me that he should be able to have them finished by 4/28. It takes me 2-3 days to do final QC, package the sets individually, and package the master cartons. So, there is a good chance that I will be able to ship them out to Speed Specialty by 4/30.”

It took the 3 days rather than the 2 to finish final QC and do all of the packaging. So, I was not able to ship them on Friday, 4/30, and shipped them on the next ground shipment day, Monday, 5/3.

Sorry for any inconvenience to anyone.
Bob

Easy there Bob, I wasn't bitching, I was happy. I must have not put enough smilies at the end of my post to be noticed. I was just saying that I had let this mod slip my mind and your post reminded me of it and that IS A GOOD THING!!!!!

Pkease don't misunderstand my happiness as a complaint. I realize that it is very difficult to express emotion in the written word, but that is why I used the smilies on the end. I am sorry you took this the wrong way. I surely DO NOT want my order refunded, I cannot wait to get the brakes on my car and I need the brackets to do that LOL Hence the statement about "Happy Birthday to me." I am going to pay for the install as my present to myself........................I guess next time I will just remain silent and celebrate alone.

Darrin

bob, no need to apologize. we all owe you thanks for doing this. rottluver wasn't complaining. thank you from everyone:D :bow: :D

Originally posted by 2MCHPWR
bob, no need to apologize. we all owe you thanks for doing this. rottluver wasn't complaining. thank you from everyone:D :bow: :D

Yeah yeah, what he said!!! :D :D :D :D :D

May 25th bday here

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
May 25th bday here

Cool, we can party together.........from Long Distance LOL :cool:

And I've got a friend with a bday on May 26th!:D

Rock on. And yes, I would like an additional set if a third batch is made many moons from now ;)

Originally posted by Geoff Chadwick
And I've got a friend with a bday on May 26th!:D

Rock on. And yes, I would like an additional set if a third batch is made many moons from now ;)

I also belong to a group called West Coast Pontiacs and the first chick I met from there also has a 5/29 B-Day, so that made for a good start. :D

I am going to have to stick with my one set of adapters, I just sold my '00 T/A so all I have left is my '02. :cool:

Thanks for making one last batch Bob, and answering all my fitment questions!!!
Derek

Everyone, as soon as I get the shipment from Bob, I will organize them and send them out more than likely via FedEx. I will keep everyone posted.

Also...look what I found!
http://www.camarossworld.com/Technical/Brakes/C5/

I think this shows what the older version of Bob's brackets look like. Not to mention, a decent reference guide for installation.

Thanks to Bob and everyone involved. I know this was not easy on any of us.

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty

Also...look what I found!
http://www.camarossworld.com/Technical/Brakes/C5/

I think this shows what the older version of Bob's brackets look like.
Great find.

Yes, those are my second generation steel brackets. Andrew bought those exactly 1 year ago. I wish he had told me about his installation page. It is one of the best photographed install sites I have seen of my brackets, and it is the only one showing where to cut the mounting ear on the LS1 steering knuckles, since Baer took theirs down. Glad you found it for us. You LT1 guys have a little more to remove from your steering knuckles, as you will see.

Here is one of the links I provide in the installation instructions: http://www.projecttransam.com/projects12.asp It shows what needs to be cut from LT1 steering knuckles, although the installation is of a Baer system using the old C4 calipers. The links are for the pictures only. You should follow the step-by-step instructions I provide with the brackets.

Bob

Just an update, I received the brackets from Bob today. I have to go through them and make sure all is intact from the shipping.

Then I will send them out! This may take a day or two to get through.

I will send everyone a tracking number when their order ships.

Cool! I look forward to getting a number - I'll call you guys in the morning, I wish I had gotten onto the fan switch GP, but I'm going to do a little shopping if you're already sending things my way :D

WOO HOO !!!!!!!!!!

I'm as giddy as a virgin on prom night :D

Great, let me know about when! I work for BIG BROWN, if that is who you are using. I will bug the crap ouy of my driver!

Anyone receive thier brackets yet?

Is it too late to get in on this? Just now found this as I was searching around for info about them. Am definitely interested in them and will buy.

--James

Originally posted by FlatIronsZ
Is it too late to get in on this? Just now found this as I was searching around for info about them. Am definitely interested in them and will buy.

--James

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news James, but this special ended quite a while ago. Someone is keeping a list on the very off chance that Bob decides to do another set of these. You may want to read through the posts to find out who and then email them directly. Good luck.

Darrin

Just to give everyone an update, these will go to FedEx at the end of the business day TODAY.

If you managed to get in on this, you will receive an e-mail with a tracking number.

This was a tough one, believe me!

Thanks for hanging in there with us! Sorry we couldn't have had more made at this time.

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
Just to give everyone an update, these will go to FedEx at the end of the business day TODAY.

If you managed to get in on this, you will receive an e-mail with a tracking number.

This was a tough one, believe me!

Thanks for hanging in there with us! Sorry we couldn't have had more made at this time.

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!! :D :D :D

Originally posted by SpeedSpecialty
Just to give everyone an update, these will go to FedEx at the end of the business day TODAY.

If you managed to get in on this, you will receive an e-mail with a tracking number.

This was a tough one, believe me!

Thanks for hanging in there with us! Sorry we couldn't have had more made at this time. Thanks for the heads-up and for your effort to make this deal happen on what could be the last opportunity to own these brackets! :thumb:

Great news!:p Too bad my tax money is already spent. I have a autox race in 2 weeks, sure wish I could had them ready by then!

Got my brackets today!!!! They are a work of art.

:bow: :bow: Thank you Bob and Speed Specialty:bow: :bow:

Hay Grover, just being curious, what number were you on the list.

I think I was 1st.

Good luck with the brackets guys. :thumb: I love mine (http://www.formulav8.com/images/cofba/grandopening/IMAG0043.JPG), think total cost was $450 or something (lightly used Vette parts). I think I got the last set of steel brackets, thanks Bob!

I'm not scheduled to receive mine until 5/18.

Got mine last night!!!!! Thanks Bob they are truly a work of art, almost too nice to put on the car.

I was not scheduled to get mine till the 18th also but they came last night.....
Now all I need to do is save up the rest of the money for the brakes..
Also a thank you to Speed Specialty good communication, packaging, and shipping.

Derek

Got mine yesterday afternoon. They are missing something though. I looked all over the peices but unless Bob's real name is 'passenger side' or 'drivers side' there is no artist signature?


Thanks a bunch to all involved. And thanks from my baby, she can not wait to get her new brakes.

Rechtien

I am not scheduled to get mine till the 19th, but we shall see. It doesn't much matter as I am leaving town that day and won't be back till that Sunday...............then the fun can begin. :D

Come 18,lucky 18, thats my lucky day!

Originally posted by Steve in Seattle
Update.

Second Batch Order (possibily June? :D):
1) BBZ
2) backrdrunner
3) JWBerk94Z
4) sleeperZ96BT
5) richclv
6) No_Secrets
7) Steve in Seattle
8) Hyperspeed 97z28
9) HTWLSS
10) jasycZ28
11) 94TA25ann
12) 818camaro95
13) Chad Allen
14) SSTAT
15) chasmanZ28
16) The Highlander
17) The Highlander
18) jasycZ28
19) NSSINR8 U
20) a5150ward
21) jmzlt1
22) anasazi (depending on price)
23) HTWLSS (2nd Set)
24) KenB
25) TCredTA95
26) Carlos01SS

Possible extra sets wanted:
27) Geoff Chadwhick (awaiting confirmation)

Steve,
Have PM'ed you about your list.
--James

Originally posted by FlatIronsZ
Steve,
Have PM'ed you about your list.
--James


James, if you ever want a firsthand look at the brackets, let me know, I live up near boulder and have them on my car. I have the latest generation aluminum ones, like were sold in this GP.


Andy

FYI,

For everyone asking to be put on the "2nd batch list", don't forget that there are only a possible 22 sets that can be made in one batch and even that is not guaranteed. One unfortunate person had to give theirs up due to the 22nd set not meeting quality control or something similar.........and I believe he is 1st on the list for a 2nd batch IF there is another one......just a reminder as I noticed the list was over 26 people or so........

Darrin

Originally posted by Rottluver
FYI,

For everyone asking to be put on the "2nd batch list", don't forget that there are only a possible 22 sets that can be made in one batch and even that is not guaranteed. One unfortunate person had to give theirs up due to the 22nd set not meeting quality control or something similar.........and I believe he is 1st on the list for a 2nd batch IF there is another one......just a reminder as I noticed the list was over 26 people or so........

Darrin

Man, that SUCKS!!! I'm #26, so I guess I'm screwed...
Maybe I'll have to go thru LGMotorsports for theirs...

To those later on the “hopeful” list, If I decide to make more, I can make 33 sets. I knew this at one time, obviously, but forgot. I was reminded by my machine shop when I looked at the invoice for the aluminum billet bars. I can get 22 brackets from one bar, so it takes 2 bars to make 22 SETS. My machinist reminded me that if we ordered 3 bars, there would be the potential for 33 sets. We would simply machine 11 “lefts” and 11 “rights” from the third bar.

If I were to decide to make more, at today’s aluminum price, the brackets would probably sell for about $25 more per set. That may influence some people’s purchasing decision.

Bob Bishop

If you decide to do it, I'm still in. I'm sure many others will be as well.

im still in too. hehe

33?? That's awesome, IF you decide to, I am sure you will make those people VERY happy. :D :D :D