Official pics of the Caddy STS!

STS:


http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_3_web.jpg

http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_1_web.jpg

http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_2_web.jpg

http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_6_web.jpg

http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_4_web.jpg

Sweet! I saw one at McD's the other day... Looks great close up too.

im sick of driving those buggers, I better go back to the Bently

I prefer the crisper lines of the CTS, but this is still a very handsome car. I just hope Cadillac doesn't keep softening the lines with each successive new model.

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed. It isn't bad but it isn't distinguished enough from a CTS IMO, which is the exact thing I was afraid would happen.

something just doesn't look right about it.

I really like it. I was worried that the back end might not look right when we just saw the front pic, but it looks very nice. I do wish the lines were a little more crisp but I still think the STS was executed well. The interior looks great too. It has more of a resemblence to the XLR than CTS. The only thing is the gauges look very minimalistic but I guess that is like the XLR as well. Also, the "C" pillar is huge.............not that it matters to me.

i could have sworn vertical tails were the devilles trademark, and the sevilles went horizontally.... Oh well, aside from the lights being too thin (IMO) i say it looks very good

WOW, major breaking of embargo pics!! That and the Velite...

These pics arent supposed to be shown till April 1st.

tisk tisk...

...Ive had these pics since monday... :D

Originally posted by R377
I prefer the crisper lines of the CTS, but this is still a very handsome car. I just hope Cadillac doesn't keep softening the lines with each successive new model.

This pretty much is exactly how I feel...

I like it a lot, but I get worried the theme is beign "softened" as well.

Looks great to me, should be a hit for Cadillac. Looking forward to V-Sereis.

I think it still carries the AS design perfectly. The car looks just as good as I thought it would. This car will do fine, but I would like the interior to be more snazy. More chrome or polished metals.

I like it... I like it alot.

Needs more power. :D

GIVE US THE LS2!!!

Or...

GIVE US THE V12!!!!

Originally posted by PacerX
I like it... I like it alot.

Needs more power. :D

GIVE US THE LS2!!!

Or...

GIVE US THE V12!!!!

as much as I would like to see the LS2 in the STS, I would rather like to see a northstar engine supercharged or turbocharged for teh V model. Keep the LS2 for the CTSV. A Supercharged or turbocharged northstar could make some serious power.
As for the V12...save that for the S/7 series fighter to come.

Looks Great, I like the back and profile pics.:thumb:

It clean but I would like see the "V" version!

I think I read somewhere that the STS was softened because it needs to appeal to a broader consumer base than the CTS. I think they did a damn fine job. The roofline and front 1/4 shots remind me of Mercedes.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Honestly, I'm a little disappointed. It isn't bad but it isn't distinguished enough from a CTS IMO, which is the exact thing I was afraid would happen.

I'm not the least bit dissapointed, but i do agree with you on there being too much CTS in its design.

Originally posted by Big Als Z
as much as I would like to see the LS2 in the STS, I would rather like to see a northstar engine supercharged or turbocharged for teh V model. Keep the LS2 for the CTSV. A Supercharged or turbocharged northstar could make some serious power.
As for the V12...save that for the S/7 series fighter to come.

I agree, STSv will need something more exotic like a DOHC V10/V12 or Superchaged Northstar. Pushrod Gen IV will be too common in GM cars, Caddy needs something different.

Not a bad looking car. I think that I like the looks of the 300C more though.


-Mike

car looks great, but the vertical headlights on the front, just does not cut it. to me it looks like a cheap job of rushing CTS, by stretchings the cts front end, in fact, the whole car to STS.

Th rear end and side profile looks too much Grand Prix.

Interior looks amazing.

But on the exterior, :confused:

Just makes you feel better about a $35,000 300C =)

Ya, the embargo isnt up till the 4th i think. Saw these, as well as a few others a few weeks ago. Anyways, i love the interior, but i wish the exterior was a little more different than cts. It may be hard to tell them apart.

I didn't like the way the CTS looked and I think the STS is just as bad. They turned one of the nicest looking cars stylistically into a tall shoebox. Interior looks great but that exterior makes the car look too tall, too skinny and to boxy IMO compared to the low, wide stance of the old caddy.

Originally posted by dan05gtowner
I didn't like the way the CTS looked and I think the STS is just as bad. They turned one of the nicest looking cars stylistically into a tall shoebox. Interior looks great but that exterior makes the car look too tall, too skinny and to boxy IMO compared to the low, wide stance of the old caddy.

The CTS along with all of Caddy's A&S design is a love it or hate it design. I personaly love the design as its not your average cookie cutter design out there.

YAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNN
Is that the new Toyota Avalon?

What's with the new sidemarkers on the fenders? I didn't know Cadillac was a European comapany. At least they still have the Escalade and the Deville looks cool if you put on all the aftermarket goodies.

Originally posted by dan05gtowner
I didn't like the way the CTS looked and I think the STS is just as bad. They turned one of the nicest looking cars stylistically into a tall shoebox. Interior looks great but that exterior makes the car look too tall, too skinny and to boxy IMO compared to the low, wide stance of the old caddy.

Exactly!!:alert:

For everyone that hates the Arts & Sciences theme... I think you'd have a hard time making a case that it hasn't been mega-successful in one of the fastest, most significant turn-arounds of a brand in history.

Originally posted by KillerTA
YAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNNN
Is that the new Toyota Avalon?

What's with the new sidemarkers on the fenders? I didn't know Cadillac was a European comapany. At least they still have the Escalade and the Deville looks cool if you put on all the aftermarket goodies.

I have never in my life seen a Cadillac improved by the addition of ANYTHING from the aftermarket - apart from a tasteful set of wheels.

Note the word "tasteful".

They're like Corvettes. Aftermarket junk just makes them look ghetto.

I like it, but it just looks a little "soft". I can't really explain it. :confused: I love the interior, though. :thumb: I was always fond of the old STS too, but it definitely needed a change.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
For everyone that hates the Arts & Sciences theme... I think you'd have a hard time making a case that it hasn't been mega-successful in one of the fastest, most significant turn-arounds of a brand in history.

"Arts & Sciences" was fascinating on the Evoq and Imag concepts, but the production XLR and STS are horrible.:think:

The STS does represent a new low. Not only is the dull-as-dirt silhouette borrowed from the last generation Seville, but all of that shared SRX "crossover" structure makes the car look dowdy.:(

By now, it should be obvious that "Art & Sciences" is just a palate of ugly design cues. I can't wait until the Epsilon based "entry level" Caddy premiers. Any takers for a Malibu with a CTS front clip?:lol:

Originally posted by redzed
"Arts & Sciences" was fascinating on the Evoq and Imag concepts, but the production XLR and STS are horrible.:think:

The STS does represent a new low. Not only is the dull-as-dirt silhouette borrowed from the last generation Seville, but all of that shared SRX "crossover" structure makes the car look dowdy.:(

By now, it should be obvious that "Art & Sciences" is just a palate of ugly design cues. I can't wait until the Epsilon based "entry level" Caddy premiers. Any takers for a Malibu with a CTS front clip?:lol:


So, in your opinion, Cadillac is worse off today and since CTS was launched than it was prior?

You've GOT to be kidding.

CTS is fine, it is unique, and reason so successful is the matrix, and not the front clip, lol
;)

on a side note, the SRX is fugging ugly CTS on big wheel base.

STS is even worse!

its ok to make cars look edgier, but at least change the front end clip.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
So, in your opinion, Cadillac is worse off today and since CTS was launched than it was prior?

You've GOT to be kidding.

Would you really expect anything less from ole' redzed?

There is not a person on the planet who thinks Caddy is worse off now than it was a few years ago....................except one.

Originally posted by redzed
"Arts & Sciences" was fascinating on the Evoq and Imag concepts, but the production XLR and STS are horrible.:think:

The STS does represent a new low. Not only is the dull-as-dirt silhouette borrowed from the last generation Seville, but all of that shared SRX "crossover" structure makes the car look dowdy.:(

By now, it should be obvious that "Art & Sciences" is just a palate of ugly design cues. I can't wait until the Epsilon based "entry level" Caddy premiers. Any takers for a Malibu with a CTS front clip?:lol: Yaaay! Redzed is here to post more drivel! Hooray!

First of all, it is "Art and Science", not "Arts and Sciences". This is a design theme title, not a list of college classes. :rolleyes:

Second, the STS is on Sigma, as are the CTS and SRX, but I don't know what you mean about the "shared SRX 'crossover' structure". Again, have you seen the STS in person yet? I've seen it several times, and seen countless SRXs (and drove one). I don't see much SRX structure in the STS.

Third, I'm not sure where you get that the STS gets its new, RWD profile from the "dull-as-dirt silhouette borrowed from the last generation Seville", which was a front wheel drive G-body (Aurora) derivative. But ok.

Of course you are entitled to like or not like or want to poop on or whatever the styling of the cars, but your constant hating gets a little tiresome, especially when you usually haven't seen or touched the damn car to begin with. As for the Evoq and Imaj, while I really like the XLR, I admit that it doesn't have quite the same impact as the Evoq (proportions are slightly different, especially the rear bumper treatment).

Fawking beautiful! :bow: :bow:

I think it should be just a 'little' more edgey like a CTS to look drop dead gorgeous. But I like this too. A lot.

Not too bad. I think it fits in well with the Cadillac lineup. Should easily be recognizable as an STS and not a CTS. The CTS's rear end is more "high and tight" than the STS (I was thinking about this while I was behind a CTS today). The interior is very nice as well. Seems the Cadillac turnaround just keeps on rolling with full force.

Also I think I'll take the time to give the Art and Science design theme another :bow: Some people hate it but I'd take it anyday over BMW's new direction.

Originally posted by PacerX
I have never in my life seen a Cadillac improved by the addition of ANYTHING from the aftermarket - apart from a tasteful set of wheels.

Note the word "tasteful".

They're like Corvettes. Aftermarket junk just makes them look ghetto.

http://vogue-tyre.com/index-gallery.html

Originally posted by Darth Xed
So, in your opinion, Cadillac is worse off today and since CTS was launched than it was prior?

You've GOT to be kidding.

As I've said before, Cadillac's last "innovative" product was the 2000 DeVille which offered night vision for the first time. All of the products offered since then have been disappointing. The Sigma platform cars are ugly and overpriced - even by German standards. The same goes for the XLR and Escalade derivatives, cars that are simply Chevys in drag.:o


Call me when Cadillac breaks its previous sales record....

....set in 1973!:shame:

Originally posted by redzed
As I've said before, Cadillac's last "innovative" product was the 2000 DeVille which offered night vision for the first time. All of the products offered since then have been disappointing. The Sigma platform cars are ugly and overpriced - even by German standards. The same goes for the XLR and Escalade derivatives, cars that are simply Chevys in drag.:o


Call me when Cadillac breaks its previous sales record....

....set in 1973!:shame:


Ignorance is bliss, I suppose...

Originally posted by redzed
As I've said before, Cadillac's last "innovative" product was the 2000 DeVille which offered night vision for the first time. All of the products offered since then have been disappointing. The Sigma platform cars are ugly and overpriced - even by German standards. The same goes for the XLR and Escalade derivatives, cars that are simply Chevys in drag.:o


Call me when Cadillac breaks its previous sales record....

....set in 1973!:shame: I suppose that the magnetorheological fluid shocks (aka Magnaride) were not innovative? Every review I've seen of a vehicle so equipped has raved about the ride and handling, from the C5 Corvette to the XLR to the SRX. While the Escalade is a (very good) Chevy in drag (hmm, along the lines of Navigator, LX470, Aviator, QX56, etc...), the XLR is not quite the same deal. Besides, so what if it is based on a C6 but with a nicer interior and some extra luxo/techy touches? The C5 Vette is a world class car with a mediocre interior. No one faults the Vette for its chassis. So Caddy started with the solid part of the Vette, added a Caddy-appropriate drivetrain and some luxury/tech features, and unique Caddy styling (with good exterior fit/finish based on what I've seen in most articles and in person). What exactly is the problem here?

Care to respond to my first post above?

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Yaaay! Redzed is here to post more drivel! Hooray!

First of all, it is "Art and Science", not "Arts and Sciences". This is a design theme title, not a list of college classes. :rolleyes:

I'm surprised you didn't invoke the "power of and.":lol:

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Second, the STS is on Sigma, as are the CTS and SRX, but I don't know what you mean about the "shared SRX 'crossover' structure". Again, have you seen the STS in person yet? I've seen it several times, and seen countless SRXs (and drove one). I don't see much SRX structure in the STS.

The STS shares its wheelbase, drivetrain and firewall structure with the SRX - hence the high cowl.:eek:

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Third, I'm not sure where you get that the STS gets its new, RWD profile from the "dull-as-dirt silhouette borrowed from the last generation Seville", which was a front wheel drive G-body (Aurora) derivative. But ok.

Any similarity between the Sigma-based STS and the old G-bodied car comes down to deliberate design...

...or perhaps an utter lack of inspiration.:bow:

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Of course you are entitled to like or not like or want to poop on...

To paraphrase Triumph the Insult Comic Dog:

The new Cadillac STS is a great car....

...a great car for me to...



Oh well, you obviously can guess the rest.:p

Originally posted by redzed
The STS shares its wheelbase, drivetrain and firewall structure with the SRX - hence the high cowl.:eek:

Wanted to point out that the CTS also has a high cowl height because it has the same front firewall as the SRX and STS because they are all on Sigma. That was one of the things that was changed with Zeta because the designers knew they wanted a low slung coupe on the chassis and Sigma couldn't do that and look aggressive enough. Sigma is going to be the same basic parts fron CTS to ULS(if it gets made). Yes there will be changes made here and there but the basic structure is the same.

Originally posted by KillerTA
http://vogue-tyre.com/index-gallery.html

I rest my case.

Originally posted by redzed
The Sigma platform cars are ugly and overpriced

Opinion Opinion Opinion. When you can back up your points with fact and not opinion I'll respect your views a little bit more.

Fact: Cadillac sales have been steadily increasing since A&S debuted.

Fact: Cadillac has lowered the average age of its buyer from well north of 60 a few years ago to age 56.

Fact: Innovation? STS is the first car with magnetic ride control...

Fact: Let's see, we have an M3-whooping sports sedan, an SUV that is the desire of well-off 20-somethings everywhere, a Deville that leads the large luxury sedan market....anything else?

:rolleyes:

Cadillac may not be doing everything right...but Lexus wasn't built in a day either. I think Caddy has what it takes to keep chipping away at substantial market share.

I'm really liking this new car!

Here are some more links to pictures.
http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_5_web.jpg
http://www.bomengen.com/gm/sts/STS_7_web.jpg

Anybody wanna photochop a Chevy out of this? :D

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Opinion Opinion Opinion. When you can back up your points with fact and not opinion I'll respect your views a little bit more.

Fact: Cadillac sales have been steadily increasing since A&S debuted.

Call me when sales reach the 1973 level.:lol:

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Fact: Cadillac has lowered the average age of its buyer from well north of 60 a few years ago to age 56.


Big deal.:rolleyes: GM is selling cars, not advertising.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Fact: Innovation? STS is the first car with magnetic ride control...


Another "big deal" piece of marketing hype - something that only mindless devotees take seriously. If you consider the active anti-roll systems on the newest Audis and BMWs, Delphi adjustable shock nonsense seems just plain silly.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Fact: Let's see, we have an M3-whooping sports sedan, an SUV that is the desire of well-off 20-somethings everywhere, a Deville that leads the large luxury sedan market....anything else?


The CTS-V is crude and dramatically overpriced, and the DeVille's only direct competition is the geriatric Town Car. I'd also question how many "well-off 20-somethings" are in the market for an SRX or Escalade.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Cadillac may not be doing everything right...but Lexus wasn't built in a day either. I think Caddy has what it takes to keep chipping away at substantial market share.

Lexus pretty much did everything right from day one. Cadillac still is no where near Lexus levels of quality, reliability and resale value. Worst of all, my local Caddy dealer is the same creep who failed to service any of my Chevrolets.

I could look past all of the traditional Cadillac woes if the STS was desirable in appearance, or convincing in value. Sadly it isn't.:cry:

I wonder how hard it is to get used to I-Drive?:confused:

Originally posted by redzed
Call me when sales reach the 1973 level.:lol:

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Do you think GM should not be happy if they increase to 32% market share because at one time they commanded over 50%? The market has changed; there is much more competition, a different population, etc. Bottom line: increasing sales = good. Your refusal to give credit just reveals your ridiculous bias. I think you only post on this board to stir up crap, because you are always anti-GM. Be bitter if you want about the F-body dying (or whatever has caused you to hate GM so much), but refusing to give credit when credit is due makes you look horribly ignorant. :)

Big deal.:rolleyes: GM is selling cars, not advertising.

Again, what the hell does that mean? Cadillac has been trying to shake its image as purely an old man's car, and dropping the average age from 60 to 56 is evidence that they are achieving their goal. Credit where credit is due, man. It's simple, really. :rolleyes:

Another "big deal" piece of marketing hype - something that only mindless devotees take seriously. If you consider the active anti-roll systems on the newest Audis and BMWs, Delphi adjustable shock nonsense seems just plain silly. Wrong. Ever driven a car that has Magneride? Probably not. Anti-roll and damping are separate things... the 7 series has active roll control, but it still has adjustable damping. So is it marketing hype for them too, or do they get to take it seriously because they have the added feature of roll control? Are you a mindless devotee to BMW, whom you seem to take seriously? Or do you not realize that active roll control (moveable anti-roll bar) is separate from adjusting the shock firmness? [/b]

The CTS-V is crude and dramatically overpriced, and the DeVille's only direct competition is the geriatric Town Car. I'd also question how many "well-off 20-somethings" are in the market for an SRX or Escalade.

If you are going to make a (wrong) statement like that about the CTS-V, preface it with "I've driven a CTS-V, and..." Otherwise, I have to assume you are selling the "it's a pushrod engine, it must be crude" line of crap. I have driven a CTS-V, on more than one occasion. It is not crude at all; quite the contrary. The LS6 is a very smooth engine to begin with, and combining it with the sigma chassis and good sound management in the cabin makes for a very refined piece. The car is fast, smooth, quiet, and extremely solid, with excellent ride and handling. As for the Escalade, there is no question that it is an aspirational vehicle for many young people (thanks no doubt to rap videos and atheletes driving them).

Lexus pretty much did everything right from day one. Cadillac still is no where near Lexus levels of quality, reliability and resale value. Worst of all, my local Caddy dealer is the same creep who failed to service any of my Chevrolets.

Cadillac can't directly control resale value; it can only control the first two items, and years down the road, as reputation finally catches up to the product, resale value will climb. Surely you understand that, right?

I could look past all of the traditional Cadillac woes if the STS was desirable in appearance, or convincing in value. Sadly it isn't.:cry:

Well, that is your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions. But the fact of the matter is that the new Cadillacs exhibiting the Art & Science theme and the rwd platforms have been well received by the media and the public, and they are contributing to the rebirth and growth of Cadillac. You may not like the theme, and you are not alone. But evidently enough people do like it, because sales are up, and there is a pretty positive buzz around Cadillac lately. Sorry, I know you hate to hear that a GM division is doing alright. :rolleyes:

I wonder how hard it is to get used to I-Drive?:confused:

Well, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But I don't know how anyone can criticize Cadillac's latest risky styling and then keep a straight face when referring to BMW in a positive light. The 7 Series is (imo) one of the ugliest cars of the last 10 years. :barf: The new 6 looks pretty good from most angles. Z4 = :no: New 5 = :blah: (way worst than the previous 5). So, yeah.

Originally posted by redzed
Call me when sales reach the 1973 level.:lol:

Sales may never reach 1973 levels again...too many choices out there. Remember, this is a luxury maker, the goal is not necessarily to sell a billion cars a year. There's something to be said for higher priced, higher contented vehicles that offer a little exclusivity. Or you could take the Lexus road and just undercut the competition in price....


Big deal.:rolleyes: GM is selling cars, not advertising.

Yes, it is a big deal when you are attracting younger, more affluent buyers instead of the typical 90's Caddy buyer....elderly and living off of social security....A hipper image helps to in turn sell cars. Is this a hard concept to grasp?

Another "big deal" piece of marketing hype....The CTS-V is crude and dramatically overpriced....

Again, I'm sure you have extensive experience behind the wheel of the CTS-V and the magnetic ride controlled STS, and have been able to drive the competition for comparison's sake. At least magazines like C&D can and do this, and these cars rate very favorably with them. It's a tough call on who to believe, actual drivers or internet ranters :rolleyes:

I think this guy works for Lexus!!!

Every car magazine and all their editors have praised Cadillacs turn around. And thats saying alot--cause Car and Driver shows no mercy and is not afraid to call a car junk if it deserves it.

More telling, like others have mentioned, is the sales. They are the true test od Cadillacs Art and Science theme.
Now you can say CTS-V Series and BMW M3/M5 in the same sentence and not laugh.

Don't get me started on Lexus---they are exciting as watching grass grow. The older ones were a bit better but the new ones are the typical boring generic Toyotas.

Originally posted by redzed

Worst of all, my local Caddy dealer is the same creep who failed to service any of my Chevrolets.

Yep, this has ALL the reason in the world to criticize Cadillac as well, over one bad dealer :rolleyes:

redzed... quite simply, you're a retard.

Originally posted by morb|d
redzed... quite simply, you're a retard.

I must agree.