TSRA Outlaw shootout April 10th in Wichita Falls

TSRA Outlaw shootout April 10th in Wichita Falls

The track here in Wichita Falls is having the first outlaw shoot this year on April 10th. This is the same thing as we had last year. Outlaw style racing. No tech needed. We are just trying to get the street racers off the street and give them some where to race legally and safe.

Last year we had a huge turnout. Lots of door slammers running in the low 6's and mid to high 5's.Hopefully we can get more of the DFW,Abilene,Amarillo and Houston guys involved this year. I know the ones that came last time got their best ever 60's at our track. They dont skimp on VHT or track prep in general.

There will be some setup classes and Fun-N-Grudge all night long. We will be running the fng guys in two lanes all night to keep the track hot and rubber laid.If you want to check out the setup go to http://www.hotrodshack.com/TSRA.htm

So if you want to be a part of an exicting night come on up to Wichita Falls for the shoot out. It will be lots of fun.

Also this year they WILL be allowing bikes to race cars or to race each other.

Yea! Sounds like fun! I saw Bart the other day but it didn't look like you were the driver. did you sell it?

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Yea! Sounds like fun! I saw Bart the other day but it didn't look like you were the driver. did you sell it?

Yeah I sold BART about 20 months ago. Got me a 98 Z. Haven't seen you in a while you should stop buy some time. You gonna try to make it to the track on the 10th? There is suppose to be a crowd from D/FW coming up here like last year. It was fun and best off all there is no tech.

Yeah I have been in a little hole hiding LOL I traded my 94 z for a 1980 vette. Kinda miss it. But I am selling the vettes and going with a z06 probably. What does the 98 look like? don't know if I have seen it before. Have you raced the 2002 SS NBM yet? Supposed to be pretty fast. Don't know though. Someone said it had a 6.0 in it and that he ordered it that way from the factory. I told them you can't order them like that. OH will. You still at the same house?

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Yeah I have been in a little hole hiding LOL I traded my 94 z for a 1980 vette. Kinda miss it. But I am selling the vettes and going with a z06 probably. What does the 98 look like? don't know if I have seen it before. Have you raced the 2002 SS NBM yet? Supposed to be pretty fast. Don't know though. Someone said it had a 6.0 in it and that he ordered it that way from the factory. I told them you can't order them like that. OH will. You still at the same house?

The 98 is silver and was the car on crank & crome a few years back. Haven't raced him side by side but going off our 1/8th mile times I would beat him by a car or so dunno now he has done some more to his car??? He runs 6.9x and i run 6.81. Yes it is John Simms AKA the old man! It is a iron block (6.0) 370 cube motor. He had it built down in dallas after he blew the factory motor. Yeah I'm still here.

You gotta watch out for us old farts.......we can be very sneaky......My engine is an iron block, 370 cube, forged motor built by Modern Musclecar Technology in Dallas. The car is my daily driven work car. She's pig heavy, about 200 pounds over stock because of the block and the cage, but still runs 6s (approximately 10.8 in the quarter). Just for the record, the last time I blew an engine was in 1971 in my 70 HemiCuda. A wristpin broke at the top of third gear while running down the track. Demolished the engine. The last engine in my Camaro was ruined when it was at NX getting a NXL system installed and they accidently dropped a nut down number seven intake port. When they started the engine it cracked the block and ruined the engine.

Originally posted by Gold Z
You gotta watch out for us old farts.......we can be very sneaky......My engine is an iron block, 370 cube, forged motor built by Modern Musclecar Technology in Dallas. The car is my daily driven work car. She's pig heavy, about 200 pounds over stock because of the block and the cage, but still runs 6s (approximately 10.8 in the quarter). Just for the record, the last time I blew an engine was in 1971 in my 70 HemiCuda. A wristpin broke at the top of third gear while running down the track. Demolished the engine. The last engine in my Camaro was ruined when it was at NX getting a NXL system installed and they accidently dropped a nut down number seven intake port. When they started the engine it cracked the block and ruined the engine. John,
how is the new combo working out for you???

The new combo seems to be working great. With the tracks usual minimal Thursday night track prep it was still running 7.03 at almost 99 mph on lousy 1.65 60' times. Now if NX will ever get the fix out for the NXL system so I can run a decent shot through it the old beast should be way down in the sixes.

Originally posted by Gold Z
The new combo seems to be working great. With the tracks usual minimal Thursday night track prep it was still running 7.03 at almost 99 mph on lousy 1.65 60' times. Now if NX will ever get the fix out for the NXL system so I can run a decent shot through it the old beast should be way down in the sixes.

Sounds good! Any word on the release date of the accumliator?

Nope....with my luck it won't be until 2008.......

ttt

Lets get ready to rumble!!!!!!!!! Come on, I want to see some fast new model cars out here for this event. There are quite a few people coming so far but I want to see some new faces and meet some new people.

Decisions decisions, which car to bring?? Maybe my gtp and put some mucsle to shame HEE HEE

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Decisions decisions, which car to bring?? Maybe my gtp and put some mucsle to shame HEE HEE Bring it and I will bring the Skylark and put all of yall to shame. 1.3L= power :D

Just saw Bart again. Are those 16 inch z06's? Couldn't tell, they look small. How did you sell it? Did you put it in the paper or what? The reason I am asking is cause I am selling my truck and would like to know where you got the most calls. I hate to waste money on ads.

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Just saw Bart again. Are those 16 inch z06's? Couldn't tell, they look small. How did you sell it? Did you put it in the paper or what? The reason I am asking is cause I am selling my truck and would like to know where you got the most calls. I hate to waste money on ads.

Nope They are 17". To tell the truth I didn't do any thing I had it sold before I could put it in the paper. I would try the paper first or just start telling people what you have 4 sale. :D Or I would even list it on the camaro web sites. You never know who might be looking for a truck.

I tried the camaro board and it is in the auto trader. Alot of calls but no one serious. I can't believe it is not sold yet. Very awesome truck. Anyway, I wonder if I bring my 80 vette the 10th if I will have as many people make fun of it as there are on this board that make fun of it. Hey I got the car this way. Except for the ricer wing I thought it looked good.

ttt

Oh my gosh! sniff sniff I am not going to be there :(

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Oh my gosh! sniff sniff I am not going to be there :(
Y to cold for ya???

Had to go out of town :(

I didn't make it but my son ran a 6.95 in his low budget 99 Z28 daily driver.........:D

I thought your son had a 01 camaro? I see some kid in your old gold camaro. just isn't the same :( I saw it for sale at pattersons for a while. What color is you sons car?

He has a pewter 99 Z28. He ran a best of 7.53 on motor. He is still getting it dialed in. The car has more left in it. I returned my Gold Z to stock and sold it after I bought my 02 Blue Z. Zack Berend is the young man who bought it. It's still mostly stock. I wish I had it back. I really loved that car.

He also ran some 7.8's and 7.9's. That was while the bottle was heating up in Robs truck. :confused:

Originally posted by slow14U
He also ran some 7.8's and 7.9's. That was while the bottle was heating up in Robs truck. :confused: Yeah some thing doesn't add up???? I ran some 8.1's and 8.2's with 3 burnt spark plug wires. Put some electrical tape on them and ran a 7.46 N/A and ran a 6.83 with 150 shot.

Originally posted by Smoke T/A
Yeah some thing doesn't add up???? I ran some 8.1's and 8.2's with 3 burnt spark plug wires. Put some electrical tape on them and ran a 7.46 N/A and ran a 6.83 with 150 shot.


Hey. Do you think the 27's will work better with your gearing? I need 28's despretly. If I go with 28's and 4.10's it will be a little steeper gear ratio still then droping to 3.90's with my 27 in tires, so I want to try some 28's first.


BTW, I bet you would of seen some 6.7's or 6.6's if your car didn't stutter.

Originally posted by slow14U
Hey. Do you think the 27's will work better with your gearing? I need 28's despretly. If I go with 28's and 4.10's it will be a little steeper gear ratio still then droping to 3.90's with my 27 in tires, so I want to try some 28's first.


BTW, I bet you would of seen some 6.7's or 6.6's if your car didn't stutter.

You can try out my wheels and tires and see if they make a diffrence. I think if you go to 4.10 it would help you out or even 4.56's. I think the 28" tires work just fine for me. I really like how they bite. My previous best was on a 26" tire at 7.51 N/A and with these 28" new 1 7/8 header I ran a 7.46 N/A. I'm really happy with the N/A times but i have the studdering problem to address on the n20. LMK

Joe

Originally posted by Smoke T/A
You can try out my wheels and tires and see if they make a diffrence. I think if you go to 4.10 it would help you out or even 4.56's. I think the 28" tires work just fine for me. I really like how they bite. My previous best was on a 26" tire at 7.51 N/A and with these 28" new 1 7/8 header I ran a 7.46 N/A. I'm really happy with the N/A times but i have the studdering problem to address on the n20. LMK

Joe

I have 4.10's, but 4.56's will hurt with a M6. It'll give me a heluva 60' though, but rowing 4 gears in the eighth isn't what I had in mind. Did you have more gear left at the end of the eighth?

Something doesn't add up? And that would be.......?

Hows your wife doing?? havent seen yall in 4 ever

Originally posted by Gold Z
Something doesn't add up? And that would be.......?

Well he ran 7.50's with the (cold) bottle in the car but after he took it out it ran slower 7.8 AND 7.9 while it was warming up??? hmmmm After it had warmed he ran a 6.9 on 100 shot but would not show what jets he had in there LOL. Kind of hard to belive but like father like son is the phrase i'm thinking of. :D


Here is a challenge for you and your son. Come to the track one day with out the bottles in your cars and lets see what you run? NO BSing the #'s. We can all give excuses all day about what the car ran on spraying it mid track and calling it a NA pass or how heavy it is or weather it is a daily driver or what not.... I just would like to see some honesty. So would a few other people know what I'm talking about. If you do indeed run a 7.3 on motor and he runs a 7.5 motor the same day I'll shut my mouth. Till then we'll never know the truth. Also I see you posted on here you say you lifted the front wheels off the ground. The 1 time I wached you you never even got close to lifting them. BTW do you have any pics of the wheels hangin?? Didn't think so....


Watin on your response.



Joe

Is it hot in here??
Let me know when yall are going to meet up. I would love to watch. :D

Joey, take a deep breath and calm down.....there is no hocus pocus going on.......I have his time slips right here in front of me. His motor runs were:
7.6049 @ 92.19 at 5:25 1.7153 60'
7.5349 @ 91.69 at 5:55 1.7124 60'
His nitrous runs were as follows:
7.1920 @ 98.21 at 5:32 1.6831 60'
6.9581 @ 99.05 at 7:10 1.5530 60'
6.9917 @ 98.88 at 7:23 1.5719 60'
7.0852 @ 98.43 at 7:41 1.6414 60'
7.1643 @ 98.64 at 8:32 1.7145 60'

Everything looks in order to me. He may have made additional passes but these are the time slips he brought home. He only had the one ten pound bottle so I doubt seriously if there were any other nitrous passes made. Check the mph and you can tell when he was spraying. He has 100 hp jets in it because he was afraid of blowing something on his 90,000 mile motor. He just got the system on his car the same day as the race and hadn't had a chance to try it out yet. Don't forget he ran a 7.65 at the last outlaw shootout before he ever had nitrous on his car. I suspect he will be jetted up to 150 the next time he goes to the track.
If you question any of my times, come by the house and check the time slips, they don't lie. The 60', 330', eighth mile, and mph are too consistant between the motor runs and the nitrous runs for any funny business. My na runs were great but my nitrous runs sucked because of too much convertor. Ask Big Rob, he had the same problem with the same convertor. We have both since changed to smaller convertors. His na times were similar to mine.
As for pulling the wheels, I can assure you it did. No, I don't have it on film but the stands were full of people who saw it. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, it's ok with me. We have another shootout in six weeks, I'll be there and hopefully we'll have the NXL working properly by then and I can turn some decent numbers. I'm old enough I don't have to try and impress anybody. I built my car to please me and it does. I built it as a daily driver not a race car which only hits the streets a couple hours a month. It has no weight removed and has a full interior, radio, and air conditioning. It's about 200 pounds heavier than when it was new because of the iron block and the 6 point cage.
You are always welcome at my home so if I didn't answer some question to your satisfaction, come on by and we'll sit down and discuss it.

John, unfortunatly your son is not known for always telling the truth. Many people will bs about their times. I saw it with my own eyes. His bottleless car went 7.8+. The car doesn't run consetent, i'll give him that. The friday b4 the first outlaw he couldn't get it in the 7's. 8's all night. He did bust off a 7.6 sat night though. He has lied to me right to my face while we were watching the video of our last kell race not to mention everyone who watched the race. Of course he had bout 14 beers in him. I don't care about wheather or not his car is fast, it is about the bs he is known for. He doug his own hole and you shouldn't try to bail him out. Why do you think he only brought you those timeslips?

Originally posted by slow14U
John, unfortunatly your son is not known for always telling the truth. Many people will bs about their times. I saw it with my own eyes. His bottleless car went 7.8+. The car doesn't run consetent, i'll give him that. The friday b4 the first outlaw he couldn't get it in the 7's. 8's all night. He did bust off a 7.6 sat night though. He has lied to me right to my face while we were watching the video of our last kell race not to mention everyone who watched the race. Of course he had bout 14 beers in him. I don't care about wheather or not his car is fast, it is about the bs he is known for. He doug his own hole and you shouldn't try to bail him out. Why do you think he only brought you those timeslips?

Exactly I just want HONESTY. I'm not doubting that he ran those times I just want to be 100% sure. I saw him run the 2 passes in question that were 7.8+ and then he went down to a 7.5???? I don't know about you but I don't gain .3 unlesss I do some thing else to the car or just completly blow the 60 ft. I would like to see those slips for the 7.8+ passes and come pare them with the other ones just to be fair.

Originally posted by Smoke T/A
Exactly I just want HONESTY. I'm not doubting that he ran those times I just want to be 100% sure. I saw him run the 2 passes in question that were 7.8+ and then he went down to a 7.5???? I don't know about you but I don't gain .3 unlesss I do some thing else to the car or just completly blow the 60 ft. I would like to see those slips for the 7.8+ passes and come pare them with the other ones just to be fair.

Yeah, i'm not doubting the car just the driver. BTW all my 5 na runs were within .03 of each other except the one where I missed second. That is the most consistant i've ever run. That master cylinder and "drill mod" realy helped.

What is the son not being honest about? I am confused on what is going on here. I don't lie about my times I have NEVER had my baby at the track. Not yet anyways. Yall all would kick my a$$

Why would anyone want to lie about there times. Let the cars speak for themselves! Fast cars don't brag, they just go and DO IT!

This is the only time I have ever heard somebody complaining about somebody elses SLOWEST times.........or upset about a street race that happened last year. Also, what he ran on a Thursday night a few weeks ago has little to do with his times on Saturday. On Thursday there is no track prep and thus much less traction. And who knows what the difference in density altitude was on the two different days. Also on Saturday he was running my skinnies which took alot of weight off the front of the car.

John, again, you shouldn't try to bail out your son. He has done it to himself. Not too many people have respect for what he says. In isn't just me or Joey eaither.

1slow1foru, what kinda car do you have. Year and color. just wondering if I have seen it around here before, or which camaro it is.

I have a white 01'ss SS. It is pretty loud.

Ever since your street race with my son in which he says he won and you say you won you have been on his case. Get over it, it doesn't mean anything. I've won races and I've lost races but they were all for fun and it really didn't matter. Are you sure you aren't just upset because he was running faster than you Saturday night?

Oh my, I love your car! It sounds awesome! I saw you gettin gas at Carries corner one day, a while back. What all have you done to your car?

I raced a 01 z28, black, stripper z, and won. let off tthe acceleration cause I WILL not go around the curve hauling butt, and he declares he one. I know i won cause I was a hhead of him til he let off the throttle. He is in rsracing, or something like that, car club. Nice guy though. Cant say too much about his girl friend. Think shes the type that has a problem with other girls. Very rude.

Originally posted by Gold Z
Ever since your street race with my son in which he says he won and you say you won you have been on his case. Get over it, it doesn't mean anything. I've won races and I've lost races but they were all for fun and it really didn't matter. Are you sure you aren't just upset because he was running faster than you Saturday night?

Well John I think you a have a little case of that too. Evey one I talk to asks me if I have raced the Old man in the blue Z "It's the fastest New model camaro in town" Hell you can't even beat Jeff so if your son is faster than Jeff I guess that puts you 4th on the list. So maybe you should tell people it's the 4th fastest instead of the fastest. So far I have not seen a person with a New model F-body eclipse my 6.81 or even beat me on the street that lives in Wichita Falls. I thought you would have no problem handing us or ass when you got that 370 put in. LOL that was a joke.

Originally posted by Gold Z
Ever since your street race with my son in which he says he won and you say you won you have been on his case. Get over it, it doesn't mean anything. I've won races and I've lost races but they were all for fun and it really didn't matter. Are you sure you aren't just upset because he was running faster than you Saturday night?


John, you are alot smarter then that. It is not about me being upset or anything, it is more along the lines of a supposed friend backstabing me like that. It is about lies and there is more too him that I won't get into. It is not all bout that race. Let's remember that your son is a drunk and bs'er. I am honest and very rarely drink. Hell he didn't even show you all his timeslips. Wheather or not he is bs'ing, he didn't bother to show you his slips. Do you get my drift?
The fact that he ran .03 faster then me doesn't bother me at all. He turned in a better et then me that night. I have no problem admitting it. Two things bout the race we had, one, when we got done racing, he asked me who won. Two, the damn video showed me ahead of him the whole time. I'm not the drunk, I didn't have any beers in me that night. I don't forget the past. It is a useful tool for me to learn about people. And one thing I learned bout him, is he has no problem lying to his own friends right to their face. That is what pisses me off the most.

Damn, I simply post my kid's times and you two start with accusations and character assassinations. You two need to grow up and stop whining. ......Joe, your attack on me greatly dissappoints me because I thought you were a better person than that. Are you seriously comparing your stripped out race car to my very heavy daily driven street car? My car is probably 400 pounds heavier than yours. As for me being the fastest car in town, Steve, Chris, you, and Jeff have turned better times. Johnny hasn't beat my best time yet. Am I upset or talking bad about someone simply because they ran faster? Of course not, it's supposed to be for fun. You two seem to think it actually means something.....If Johnny threw away his worse two time slips then how does that affect you? And why? Obsessing over a street race last year is really dumb. I wasn't there, I don't know who won and I don't care. So you got your feelings hurt. You are a grown man, get over it. When you take a post about somebody's BEST times and turn it into attacks on people you are showing immaturity. Nobody is attacking either of you so why do you feel the need to attack Johhny and I?

Originally posted by Gold Z
Damn, I simply post my kid's times and you two start with accusations and character assassinations. You two need to grow up and stop whining. ......Joe, your attack on me greatly dissappoints me because I thought you were a better person than that. Are you seriously comparing your stripped out race car to my very heavy daily driven street car? My car is probably 400 pounds heavier than yours. As for me being the fastest car in town, Steve, Chris, you, and Jeff have turned better times. Johnny hasn't beat my best time yet. Am I upset or talking bad about someone simply because they ran faster? Of course not, it's supposed to be for fun. You two seem to think it actually means something.....If Johnny threw away his worse two time slips then how does that affect you? And why? Obsessing over a street race last year is really dumb. I wasn't there, I don't know who won and I don't care. So you got your feelings hurt. You are a grown man, get over it. When you take a post about somebody's BEST times and turn it into attacks on people you are showing immaturity. Nobody is attacking either of you so why do you feel the need to attack Johhny and I?

Well I was just quoting you from what you personally said. It was not an attack. It was the truth out of your mouth. Even though yours might be 400 lbs heaver I make 30RWHP less than you? Dosent 100lbs = .10???? You have better heads, bigger cam, bigger shot of n20 and more cubes. The only thing you have against you is the weight. My car is hardly a stripped out race car if you haven't seen it has full interior minus the rear seats, no front bumper support, no AC and no sway bar. I still have all the interior panels in it. If it was completly stripped I would have taken that all out. It may be stripped by your standards but not mine! I could daily drive it if I wanted to but I don't feel like paying $30-$60 per week in gas when I have a beater that gets almost 30 MPG in town.

I could care less who car is faster the point I'm geting to is the lies comming out of you and your sons mouth. I have other things to accomplish in this life besides this. But if telling tall tells is your thing then so be it (makes you feel better about you and your car). It's just not my style.

Joe

Sorry Joe, I haven't seen your car in a few months and the last time I saw it you had the interior panels out. I didn't know you had put them back in. I certainly don't remember ever telling you that I was the fastest car in town. It seems to me some kids have said that to you and you are saying that I said it. In my opinion, Chris has the fastest street car in town, not me. I still don't see what all this has to do with me posting Johnny's BEST times..........Oh well, if attacking people makes you feel superior in some way then flame away...........

Who is Chris and who is Jeff and what do they drive?

Chris drives a blue Vette that runs 6.5s. Jeff is slow14U.

Originally posted by Gold Z
Sorry Joe, I haven't seen your car in a few months and the last time I saw it you had the interior panels out. I didn't know you had put them back in. I certainly don't remember ever telling you that I was the fastest car in town. It seems to me some kids have said that to you and you are saying that I said it. In my opinion, Chris has the fastest street car in town, not me. I still don't see what all this has to do with me posting Johnny's BEST times..........Oh well, if attacking people makes you feel superior in some way then flame away...........

I'm done with this thread it's getting no where.

K thanks.

You too idiots make me laugh. You were both there the whole night, our cars were parked right beside one anothers. Jeff you even helped me with my nx setup. Both of you know why I ran a 7.8, 7.9, because we all talked after each run. The first one I lost the foot brake, and the second one I had the nitrous on with no bottle in the car. You too remember that, or did you just forget about the whole truth when you are trying to bash someone. Jeff when I ran that 7.53, my bottle was in robs truck on top of yours. Or did you forget that fact too. And as for the race last year. I did beat you in the 1/8th, and the 1/4. you did however beat me after that. Chris has it on video. You pulled me right before the last street. thats past the 1/4, thats just about .5 of a mile. So get over it. Just because you got beat again last sat, you want to start bashing. well grow up. Go out to kell and start right after the bank parking lot, If you can honestly tell me its a 1/4 mile to the street. As for you Joey im suprised because I have only seen you a few times at the track and one time at chris's house. So all you really know about me is what you here from jeff. You have always been nice to me so I thought we were friends. Guess not. Jeff as for you im done. You are nice and friendly to me in person, and help me with my car. But on the internet your a big tough guy thats talks a lot of ****. Dont be mad at me because your ex woman wanted to be with me and not you. And just for your information I never did sleep with her, because we were friends. I guess thats a mistake i'll just have to live with.

----------Johnny

Originally posted by Gold Z
As for you Joey im suprised because I have only seen you a few times at the track and one time at chris's house. So all you really know about me is what you here from jeff. You have always been nice to me so I thought we were friends. Guess not. ----------Johnny

I though you said the bottle was in the car but you didn't open it up? Am I mistaken? I belive that is what you told me? Maybe I was quick to come to conclusions about you I'll admit that but not some one else. Anyways enough of the he said BS.

Originally posted by Gold Z
You too idiots make me laugh. You were both there the whole night, our cars were parked right beside one anothers. Jeff you even helped me with my nx setup. Both of you know why I ran a 7.8, 7.9, because we all talked after each run. The first one I lost the foot brake, and the second one I had the nitrous on with no bottle in the car. You too remember that, or did you just forget about the whole truth when you are trying to bash someone. Jeff when I ran that 7.53, my bottle was in robs truck on top of yours. Or did you forget that fact too. And as for the race last year. I did beat you in the 1/8th, and the 1/4. you did however beat me after that. Chris has it on video. You pulled me right before the last street. thats past the 1/4, thats just about .5 of a mile. So get over it. Just because you got beat again last sat, you want to start bashing. well grow up. Go out to kell and start right after the bank parking lot, If you can honestly tell me its a 1/4 mile to the street. As for you Joey im suprised because I have only seen you a few times at the track and one time at chris's house. So all you really know about me is what you here from jeff. You have always been nice to me so I thought we were friends. Guess not. Jeff as for you im done. You are nice and friendly to me in person, and help me with my car. But on the internet your a big tough guy thats talks a lot of ****. Dont be mad at me because your ex woman wanted to be with me and not you. And just for your information I never did sleep with her, because we were friends. I guess thats a mistake i'll just have to live with.

----------Johnny

O.K. Johnny. I didn't realize the bottle was in the truck at that time. Congrats on the 7.53. I stand corrected. It is not about your car wining or loosing though. It is about what I thought was a friendship. I didn't think friends lied to friends, but you do. My ex didn't want you anyway, she is with someone else because I wouldn't take her back. Remember I broke up with her back last august. So even if she did want you, it was after I broke up with her. She kept trying to come back to me for months, even last October during the last outlaw at our track and well after that. She told me about you trying to get with her so there you go again, lying. You could of had her for all I cared. I was done with her. And the race that happened last year, you just keep telling yourself and fabricating lies and you will keep believing what you want to believe. You are the only one that thinks you won. Even Amy made excuses to Chris and Heath right after the race was done. The video showed that I was ahead of you the whole time. Remember the footage didn't get the first 5 seconds or so, but as soon as the video came in, there I was ahead of you for like 8 seconds, then I slammed on my brakes well before the second street. I think it would be safe for you to admit it now that you busted my n/a time last saturday. I'm not saying your car is slow, because it isn't. Just stop ****ing lying. It makes a complete idiot out of you. You would get alot more respect if you weren't such a bs'r. I'm not the only one calling your bs. Many other people have talked about your bs. I won't say their names cause that is not up to me. BTW, get the 150-shot in there and prove to everyone that you ran that 6.95 on a 100-shot. It is not my fault that no one believes that it was a 100-shot. You can prove everyone wrong if you put the 150 jets in and bust off some 6.7's. I want to see this.

Okay this is just freakin eick. talkinabout tryin to sleep with somebodies ex and makin a mistake cause you didn't. what a freakin ass. I thought you were married. Yall acted so happy together, your life must be one big lie. I didn't think you were like that. I always liked you, but hearing this whole post, especially your last one, disappoints me in you. I know Joe, he has helped me so much. he is one of the nicest camaro owners I know. I would always ask him how fast his car was and he was always real moddest about it. He never BRAGGED. reading your post and then Joe and Jeffs, who is immature. I think we al know. I am so disappointed in you. :(

Originally posted by Lt1 and Ls1
Okay this is just freakin eick. talkinabout tryin to sleep with somebodies ex and makin a mistake cause you didn't. what a freakin ass. I thought you were married. Yall acted so happy together, your life must be one big lie. I didn't think you were like that. I always liked you, but hearing this whole post, especially your last one, disappoints me in you. I know Joe, he has helped me so much. he is one of the nicest camaro owners I know. I would always ask him how fast his car was and he was always real moddest about it. He never BRAGGED. reading your post and then Joe and Jeffs, who is immature. I think we al know. I am so disappointed in you. :(

Have we met? I don't recal seeing you out with the 00'ss in your sig. Who did you think was married? Joe is modest about his car. He is a cool guy that doesn't bs or anything. He just goes out and busts off some good times. He scared us with that wire problem he had. His car was only running 8's. He fixed that and ran a 7.4 n/a.

Now the truth comes out......you start all this BS because you're jealous because your exgirlfriend was feeding you a line of crap trying to make you jealous in an attempt to get you back and you're stupid enough to believe her. You don't even know about all the phone calls that she kept making to Johnny that he wouldn't even answer. He came home complaing about her not leaving him alone almost daily. Amy knew exactly what was going on as did everybody else but you, Amy finially confronted her and she finially stopped all the calls. She even showed up at the house very late one night when Johnny was already in bed!.....She lied to you about Mark too but you never figured that out.......We are all supposed to be friends. If we have a problem we discuss it and work it out we don't take it to a web site and start bashing. Some people are dumb enough to actually believe the crap they read on here with out knowing the whole story about what is going on. All I did was post Johnny's best times and you attack BOTH of us! All this because of an exgirlfriend.......I think you owe both of us an apology. I won't hold my breath waiting.

Gold Z i thought he was married. That is who I was talking about, I am always in a different vehicle, but I have never met you personally. I used to have a red 00 z28,

I think youre the dumb one for posting a bunch of bs. Why don't you grow up. I think you owe Joe and Jeff an apology but noone is holding there breath on that.. A kid came to my house and told me you had an ss and you said you had a 370 put in it and you ordered it like that. He said you said you had the fastest camaro. I dont personally care who has the fastest. Anyways this thread has gone on long enough.

Originally posted by Smoke T/A



Here is a challenge for you and your son. Come to the track one day with out the bottles in your cars and lets see what you run? NO BSing the #'s. We can all give excuses all day about what the car ran on spraying it mid track and calling it a NA pass or how heavy it is or weather it is a daily driver or what not.... I just would like to see some honesty. So would a few other people know what I'm talking about. If you do indeed run a 7.3 on motor and he runs a 7.5 motor the same day I'll shut my mouth. Till then we'll never know the truth. Also I see you posted on here you say you lifted the front wheels off the ground. The 1 time I wached you you never even got close to lifting them. BTW do you have any pics of the wheels hangin?? Didn't think so....


Watin on your response.



Joe

I did see him lift 1 tire, not both and the passenger side of the rear bumber was about 2' away from hitting the ground when he did it

You think I'm the dumb one for posting this BS? All I posted was Johnny's best times and they started slinging ****. And you're on my case now because of what some kid told you.......get real. My car is a Z28, not an SS. Anybody with a brain knows you can't order a 370 in an SS or a Z28. I'm not responsible for what some kid said that I probably never even met. Learn to think for yourself and don't judge people by what you read on the internet because most of it is BS anyway. As for Johnny, he and Amy have been together for well over a year. He hasn't run around on her but you can believe the jealous exboyfriend if you want to.......Exactly what do you think I owe them an apology for? This should be interesting.............

Thank you, Steve......

Originally posted by Gold Z
Thank you, Steve......

Im not done yet:D

Originally posted by Gold Z
of what some kid told you.......get real. My car is a Z28, not an SS. Anybody with a brain knows you can't order a 370 in an SS or a Z28. I'm not responsible for what some kid said that I probably never even met. .

Not to get to indepth about this who said what crap, but I have been told MANY, MANY a story about your car, when you hear it from a few strangers you usually blow it off, but when you hear it from people you know, (and there is many) and countless stangers and they all say the same basic thing, you start to wonder???? Now I know some stories are made up, some are not im sure. But it goes from "your car is the fastest street car in W.F. " to it runs mid 6's. And my coupe is a "race" car when someone asks you about racing me. I could really care less one way or the other if they are true or not because whatever stories I hear won't effect my car from going even deeper into the 6's as the days roll by.
The point of me coming in here and writing this is that "if" all this BS is true it kinda pisses people off (as you can tell by the last few pages) It takes away from all the work people have done to their car to actually run the #'s they have instead of "poseing" and saying you ran the # when you really didn't.
Now if you have not spread the BS we have all been hearing for months ( years) then then I would be surely pissed because someone is out there lying about your car.............

P.S. If this pisses you off Im sorry, but freinds DO not BS about other freinds car and Iv'e heard my car called a "race" car one to many times when it is as driveable as yours ( my car actually idles on its own) ran a 6.37 on PUMP gas not race fuel, not that really means anything because your car wouldn't run what it does without nitrous that you can't get at the local gas station, I drive around on "hoosiers" because I can and I have another car to drive so I don't put wear and tear om my "race" car. I actually drove my car to the track and back.
If this has ended our "freindship" John, sobeit.

Your car is a race car or were you absent that day. No air conditioning stripped down with a cage and motor. That sounds like a race car to me. When's the last time you drove to dallas and back, or went on the hot rod power tour. Thats right you cant do that in your (STREET CAR). You can go anywhere you want, except past a gas station. You should know better than anyone else that its all about your set up. Going fast takes a lot of trial an error. everyone knows that dads car will be very fast when every thing finaly comes together. No one has ever said that it wont be. They just want to talk a lot of crap when its not 100%. Just like the 7.30's on motor. I'm the one that did that, and pulled the left tire off the ground. I didnt even know how to use the nx system. But I got accused of using it. But its not going to run 7.3's on motor alone now because he put a smaller convertor in it. It's just common sence. The car is set up for nitrous, and the NXL system the way it sit's isnt giving the car the power its capable of getting. Just like Jeff and Joey doubting that I was running a 100 shot. When Jeff helped me set my nx system up. It just doesn't make since. I guess if Jeff would have been faster than me that night it would be a different story. :confused:

Originally posted by Gold Z
Now the truth comes out......you start all this BS because you're jealous because your exgirlfriend was feeding you a line of crap trying to make you jealous in an attempt to get you back and you're stupid enough to believe her. You don't even know about all the phone calls that she kept making to Johnny that he wouldn't even answer. He came home complaing about her not leaving him alone almost daily. Amy knew exactly what was going on as did everybody else but you, Amy finially confronted her and she finially stopped all the calls. She even showed up at the house very late one night when Johnny was already in bed!.....She lied to you about Mark too but you never figured that out.......We are all supposed to be friends. If we have a problem we discuss it and work it out we don't take it to a web site and start bashing. Some people are dumb enough to actually believe the crap they read on here with out knowing the whole story about what is going on. All I did was post Johnny's best times and you attack BOTH of us! All this because of an exgirlfriend.......I think you owe both of us an apology. I won't hold my breath waiting.



Jealous? John, now I have had it with your damn bs. Who in the hell started backpedeling and brought up a girl that I broke up with in aug of 2003? Johnny did. Why? Because he is full of it. This isn't about my ex that Johnny or anyone could of had for all I cared. I broke up with her. She was free to do whatever she wanted. You believe a drunk idiot like Johnny instead of an honest person like me. That makes you an idiot. Everyone I talk to is tired of your bs and your sons bs. I don't even have to say it first. Funny John, two guys we talked to tonight told us that you run 6.5's. Did you steal chris's timeslips? Are you living in a fantasy world that we all aren't apart of? You have one 6 second timeslip, mabey two. According to some guys around your age that have known you for ages, one in perticular told us your hemi cuda couldn't get out of it's own smoke. Your gold Z never proved anything except that it can beat alot of slow cars or cars that didn't hook on the street. You have crossed the line with me. Jealous? Hell no. Friends are we? Who cares!

Originally posted by 99silver z
Your car is a race car or were you absent that day.

Absent from where?? LOL

[/B][/QUOTE] No air conditioning stripped down with a cage and motor.

I hope my car has a motor, would be kinda hard to push fast enough to keep up with traffic:rolleyes: Oh and I guess my 70 model Mustang with a inline 6 and no a/c from the factory was a race car too huh LOL :D

That sounds like a race car to me.

sorry to burst your bubble, but I could care less what your opinion is one way or the other. And can you show me the "rules" or qualifications that make a car a race car or a street car?? Can you tell me what the differance is between the two and who has the power to make these claims????

When's the last time you drove to dallas and back, or went on the hot rod power tour. Thats right you cant do that in your (STREET CAR).

Why would I want to take my car to Dallas and back when I have another car that gets better MPG has A/C ?? Just because I have no overdrive does not mean it wouldn't make the trip. A little info for you, cars used to come out of the factory with no overdrive and they somehow survived.

You can go anywhere you want, except past a gas station.

I like that, it was funny LOL I passed 4 gas stations on the way to the track, and the same 4 on the way back?? Guess I can pass them huh?

: You should know better than anyone else that its all about your set up. Going fast takes a lot of trial an error. everyone knows that dads car will be very fast when every thing finaly comes together. No one has ever said that it wont be. They just want to talk a lot of crap when its not 100%.

Yes it "might" be that fast, but I waited till I got some 6.5x sec. timeslips before I told everyone I was running that fast LOL

Just like the 7.30's on motor. I'm the one that did that, and pulled the left tire off the ground. I didnt even know how to use the nx system. But I got accused of using it. But its not going to run 7.3's on motor alone now because he put a smaller convertor in it. It's just common sence. The car is set up for nitrous, and the NXL system the way it sit's isnt giving the car the power its capable of getting. Just like Jeff and Joey doubting that I was running a 100 shot. When Jeff helped me set my nx system up. It just doesn't make since. I guess if Jeff would have been faster than me that night it would be a different story. :confused

OK if you say so:confused:

Steve, I've been called a lot worse than any of this to my face. This isn't going to hurt any friendships on this end. But some of the things you said were nonsense. My best time has been a 6.93. You know that and so does everyone else. So when have I ever claimed to have run faster? My original goal was to run mid sixes and still is but if any one says I told them I had already ran that fast they are lying. And yes, all this BS pisses me off because it's nothing but a bunch of junior high level trash talking. As for your car, I certainly respect it and it's performance but you and I have different ideas of what a street car is. I have told you my opinion many times to your face and we both know we disagree on the subject. Anybody can drive a race car on the street but that doesn't make it a street car in my opinion. You told me yourself that you couldn't put street tires on it because it would be too dangerous because of the engines power. I agree with you on that.......but that doesn't exactly sound like a street car now does it. A true street car can be driven on the street 365 days a year no matter what the weather and can be driven on trips occasionally. You could drive a prostocker on the street if you wanted to but that wouldn't make it a street car. I'm sorry if my opinion offends you but it is my OPINION and doesn't detract from your car. If you look back a few posts earlier I said you were faster so whats the beef about there. I think you hear "countless stories" about my car because it's driven almost daily about town and people actually see it and hear it. I put over 10,000 street miles on my car last year. I believe you told me you put 200 miles on yours last year. People tell stories about cars they actually see and can relate to. I hear a lot of stories about Jeff's car too because he drives it daily and it gets seen and heard a lot too. But I'm smart enough to know the facts from the BS. I really thought you were smart enough to know the difference.

None of us have street legal cars cause of our exhaust.

My best time has been a 6.93.

Was this done with street tires that can handle any weather??

So when have I ever claimed to have run faster? My original goal was to run mid sixes and still is but if any one says I told them I had already ran that fast they are lying.and yes, all this BS pisses me off because it's nothing but a bunch of junior high level trash talking.

There are ALOT of people lying then, beleive me. And most of them tell me the same story over and over again and they are all out of high school.
You know what they so though " every tall tale has a small amount of truth behind it"

you and I have different ideas of what a street car is. I have told you my opinion many times to your face and we both know we disagree on the subject. Anybody can drive a race car on the street but that doesn't make it a street car in my opinion. You told me yourself that you couldn't put street tires on it because it would be too dangerous because of the engines power. I agree with you on that.......but that doesn't exactly sound like a street car now does it.

I agree to disagree, but there is no set rules for what a street car is. I could always remove the blower belt to drive it, But why would I when I can drive it with the Hoosiers on it with the belt??

A true street car can be driven on the street 365 days a year no matter what the weather and can be driven on trips occasionally.

Who says?? show me the book of rules that says one car is a street car and the other is a race car.
Logic would dictate that a car that drives on the street would be a "street" car and the second your car hits the drag strip its a race car

If you look back a few posts earlier I said you were faster so whats the beef about there.

Don't think I said anything about this. All I said was I waited till I ran a mid 6 before I claimed it was a mid 6 sec car.

I think you hear "countless stories" about my car because it's driven almost daily about town and people actually see it and hear it. I put over 10,000 street miles on my car last year. I believe you told me you put 200 miles on yours last year. People tell stories about cars they actually see and can relate to.

I was at an oil change place getting my car inspected ( the coupe) A guy I know that works there came up to me and said he just changes the oil on a "bad Sounding mid 6 sec Z" and asked me if I could outrun you? I said who?? he said the old man in the blue Z. Now come on John not all these stories are made up. Thing is I don't care if you "embelish" about your car a little, thats your perogitive, but calling my car a "race" so you can explain why I beat you is kind of a cheap shot.

Wasn't your answer to "well you have nitrous and I don't" Always "It doesn't matter , I have it and im going to use it"

You remeber when you beat my 347 Mustang in your goldz when I was N/A 347 to your H/C and 150shot. What was fair about that??? you had nitrous I didn't, you won. Did I call your car a race car because it had nitrous?? LOL no, You had the advantage on me and beat me, now I have the advantage on you and our cars are no longer in the same catagory???

But I'm smart enough to know the facts from the BS. I really thought you were smart enough to know the difference.

LOL, nice try in twisting it around, but actually I do, thats why I spent all this time typing:D

BTWI hear a lot of stories about Jeff's car too because he drives it daily and it gets seen and heard a lot too. But I'm smart enough to know the facts from the BS.

I have never heard a "story" about Jeffs car or Chrises car.:confused:

I find it hilarious that apparently everybody in town is talking about my car and nobody elses and that I am supposed to have actually talked to each one of them just to tell them lies....and my old Hemicuda wasn't fast either says some unknown person......I really didn't know that posting Johnny's times would upset you guys so much.........

Originally posted by Gold Z
apparently everybody in town is talking about my car and nobody elses

Ya, that is funny. I wonder why though??

I am supposed to have actually talked to each one of them just to tell them lies.

If it wasn't you, who was it then?? Only the SHADOW knows LOL

I really didn't know that posting Johnny's times would upset you guys so much.........

His times had nothing to do with the stuff I posted.

But since you skated right around my last post and all the points I tried to make and offered no reply, I think I shoulda listened to Joey.

Originally posted by Smoke T/A
I'm done with this thread it's getting no where.

John,
Another instance is Cody at Millers mufflers asked me if I could beat you? He said that you told him you had the fastest street car in WF? It sure is funny that I hear just about the same thing from lots of people. Guess there is a ghost that tells all these people that you are a 6.5 car and have the fastest street car in WF. LOL

And heres a quote from a this board in the drag racing section about the wheels in the air. Should be Wheel not wheels (Plural)

That's what I'm using on my car on all four corners. With an external eight way adjustment you can dial in the settings you prefer. On the track set the fronts to a low setting and watch your ETs go down. I'm pulling 1.5 60' times with the wheels in the air. Select a firmer setting before leaving the track and enjoy the drive home. They have my recommendation.

You internet cry babies whining about what other people say about my car, or a Hemicuda I haven't owned in 32 years (!), sounds like sour grapes to me. Get a life. All this racing is for fun....no money, no trophys, just fun. Stop obsessing about my car. Talk is cheap. Timeslips determine who is the fastest. My best has been 6.93, if you have timeslip with a lower time on it then your car is faster than mine.........If somebody tells you I run faster please correct them but don't come crying to me about it.

I'm going to but in here LOL
Hey my name is Tim. I HAD a black 98Z. I met some of you two years ago when I was in town for school. (the winter before your track opened)Now I drive a 96 LT1. This one is slow so no competition from me LOL. Anyhow i'm back in town for a fiew more weeks. Hey to all of you I know!
I'm going to tell a little story like it or not. ;)
MY old 98 yet slower than most of yours ran a best of. 7.0 in the 1/8th at 101MPH. Ok I was the fast guy in my club in Arkansas for two years. Now I did get beat before I sold my car. So I cant claim that I was the fastest untill I sold it.
Anywho twards the end I started getting a lot of tension from the guys that were close to me in time's. We were all friends, shared VHT, helped eachother tune, worked on other's cars so they would be ready for the races..... But when we got to the track and lined up next to eachother I wouldnt get VHT I would get "passed by" somehow. See compitition is the nature of the beast. You cant stop it. But you can be adults and overlook it.
We didnt. It got worse and feelings got hurt. Now we all live in the same town, our wifes are still friends, we are in the same club. And we have to pretend to get along(well we dont have to) so it will come to an end one day. (hopefully it will, been going on for over a year now) Still going on even after the guy finally beat me.
Dont let this happen to yall. I remember last time I was here. John showed me around. I met some of you. The mustang Guy I remember. Cant recall your name. You guys could laugh and hang out. You use to help (might still help for all I know) the LS1 guys work on transmissions and things. Thats how our group use to be. Then the compitition got out of hand. Now we have to be selective about who we can ask for help. Some will try to stiff you. You might think none of these guy's would stiff me. But if this dont calm down and months go on it will happen believe me. You will have to get help somewhere out of town because you cant get along with eachother. It's just the compitition in everyone of us getting on the way. Just over look it and be happy for others. You are on the same team. Beleive me it's worse when your club has all the imports in it also like ours. I have to like both sides of the fence. You guys have it easy. Take it out on them! LOL
Just passing some info on.
BTW dont you think if all of these so called "people" knew enough about racing to remember if John said he ran 6.5's or he was shooting for 6.5's that they would be at the track themselves and know what all of you run? It sucks when people get like this believe me. Next thing you know you will be at the track hoping for something to happen to their car so they wont go any faster. That's not cool. Who cares what other people say. Just be honest to eachother. Why dont you all go out to eat somewhere and get it all out like adults or something so you can continue to be friends.
If it means anything John is the only one I have kept in touch with cause I knew him best and he has not said anything negative about anyone in the race scene from here. I knew/know what all of you were running (if I can keep the names straight LOL) and never heard anything negative about the guys that were faster than him. Or slower for that matter.
Sorry for buttin in on your post.

Well said Tim! I couldn't agree more. So far, I like everyone I have met and don't have any problems with anyone. I just enjoy hanging out and talking cars. Just like you, John is the one who introduced me to the crowd here. And likewise, I have heard no negative comments about anyone around here. All I know is, we all like to go to the track and run our cars and that should be all that matters. :thumb: