Can anyone make a 4L60E live?

I work at a Fbody Prformance parts and install shop, and wwe've been trying to figure this one out. We dont build the trannies ourselves, but we're trying to come up with some idea to make them live. We tried finding a stronger forward drum, but it seems none exists. ANy knowns remedies for having snap rings break? Is that a result of too much line pressure or?...

We have a 10.90 LS1 heads and cam car here that just blew apart a tranny that was built by one of the bigger names in 4th gen Fbodyland, and it was supposed to be able ot withstand 9 second passes. Who makes them live? We just converted a 6 speed 422 C5 to an auto in hopes of less parts breakage (tranny output shafts and Dana rears), hopefully the Rossler tranny holds up to it well

I have one living in day to day traffic running 11.00. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Ellis
Team Captain
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SO tell me how? http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif What parts what line presure, how may passes has i survived etc etc.

Check out the motor trend that has the lingenfelter corvette vs. the fighter jet. The vette runs 9.20's @150 with a 4L60E. I can't remember the name of the company that modified the trans but I think it was Rossler or something like that.
Matt
Nevermind I see that you are already aware of the company....didn't read the whole post
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1.885 60ft.@13lbs boost

[This message has been edited by Nostang 96z (edited June 30, 2002).]

part are basic nothing Crazy.

Off the top of my head I used a Superior VB kit, .490 Boost,4340 Sun Shell, Sonnax 3rd gear Accu Check valve, Factory frictions and steel's, 4L65E planets, and a Yank 3,800 T.C.

You want to know the REAL key? Programming http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

They will NOT live forever no matter how much you build them I will not lie to you. Then again neither will any thing else http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I used to go through up to FOUR TH400s a season. I could rip the input shaft out of them almost at will. This was with a 327 http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I killed some of the best transmissions made before I started building my own http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Feel free to E-mail me. I would like to hear exactly what you are breaking.

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Ellis
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Well, Ellis thanks for another great build on my car. The Alto red Band and 3/4 clutches do hit a lot harder on the street. After playing a few days I have already got use to the shifts (3200 PI helps). Now if I can just find the false knock with the long tubes!

Oh, and here is Ryan's 11.00 car Ellis, with now a 10.97 @ 125.3 off the gas at the end (bracket racing), 3700lb race weight, with alot a rwhp....You build some "Kick Ass" tranny's http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif
http://www.teamnwfbody.org/Library/10sec%20pass.WMV

Jim http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif (Every 4L60E mod except billet input and output shafts...)

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94 Auto 396 Stroker

Tornado, Airfoil, Paper air filter........


[This message has been edited by jimbob65 (edited July 02, 2002).]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">ANy knowns remedies for having snap rings break? [/B]</font>

Try a C-6 rear planetary snap ring to go in the rear ring gear.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Can anyone make a 4L60E live? </font>
YES, you transform it to a TH400 http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

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SSMOKEM

1995 Impala SS "Cherry Bomb"
Best ETs: faster than my '65 pickup
Mods: 93% stock

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OK George, you show off! http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

If Chuck at FLP can build a 4L60E to hold up to the torque that is necessary to propel a 4000#+ vehicle to 190+ on the autobaun, that I would say, is respectable.

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I'll be back

hehehe

I talked to Goerges builder and his was doing fine till just about 1000RWHP http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Then he had to go to a TH400 http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Thanks for the good words Jim! You and Ryan are two of my toughest customers!

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Ellis
Team Captain
Team North West F-Body
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Hey Ellis,

Nice to see you still at it http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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SSMOKEM

1995 Impala SS "Cherry Bomb"
Best ETs: faster than my '65 pickup
Mods: 93% stock

My Super Impala SS Website (http://www.cadwiz.net/cherrybomb/)

I find it hard to believe you had more problems with a turbo 400. A 4l60e is a hunk of crap past 500rwhp or 400. Sure 2 people have good 4l60es'. I'm sure it took you ten tries to re-build your on bullet proof 4l60e tranny. I will go for thee 1968 technology, with a gear vender that will support over 1000hp..

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Boosted that is how you feel I under stand. Then again i have been at this for a while and know what I know http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

BTW A little fact for all of you...

The 4L60E has had a better track record then either the Th350 OR Th400 during there introduction http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

I personaly have had FAR better luck with my 700R4 dirivitives(700R4/4L60/4L60E/4L65E) then any other GM trans I have used and I have built and raced most all of them http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I would DAMN sure pick one of them over a TH350 ANY DAY!! http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

Then again that is just me. I mean hell 10 second 3,700 cars do not take much of a trans anyway rite?

BTW Boosted, George here will tell you I was running 14# of Boost on a 4L60E before you were thinking about it http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif The blower and motor are long gone but at 50K miles the same trans remains with the factory clutches and Band in my "Bullet Proff" Trans http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif Look before you leap

Good luck to you all http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Ellis
"Your worst Nightmare is just around the corner"

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OneFlyn95z28:


Thanks for the good words Jim! You and Ryan are two of my toughest customers!

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I think a 400 you built recently is gonna be the real testament.... http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif


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Yeah, you can make it live... Just not for very long http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

I got sick of building mine up every year, so I went with a T-56. Everything was replaced in it, etc, but driving style is what REALLY killed it quickly. Oh well. http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

Mike

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Isn't the 4L80 basically an overdrive version of the Turbo-400? I thought I heard this somewhere. It would be nice if someone would come out with some "kit" that would allow for a straight 4L60 ---&gt; 4L80 swap. I know the 4L80 has issues with the f-body tranny tunnel, but humor me if you know anything about it.

Yes the 4L80E is Basiacly a TH400 with a 2004r style OD on the front.

The biggest issue is that the 4L80E has a different solenoid Firing order then a 4L60E. That is a hard code we can not seem to get by

Ellis

When I get to seriously modding my car(stroker w/SC) I was thinking about going the TH400 route, but I still want the car to be daily driver streetable since I do a lot of interstate driving. I heard from my cousin, who works at a GM dealership, that GM introduced new/stronger parts for the 4L60E not long ago. Things like five-pinion front and rear planetaries, new sunshell, reaction shell and some other stuff that I had no clue what he was talking about. Would these parts be able to deal with a torque-beast SC'd 383? Maybe a built 4L80 with a manual valve body will do the trick?(since the problems are mainly solenoid related)
All your thoughts please. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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Correct. Stronger parts are available directly through GM. They are now put in a transmission called a 4L65E. Besides the 5 pinion, the pump is also heavier duty and has more vanes.

Ryan

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1994 Z28 A4, Vortech, Borla with EBorla, TPIS 52 mm TB, Hooker shorties, Electromotive SDI, LS1 brakes, AAM 3.42 rear, more.

Yes the transmissions I build have ALL this stuff and more in them and live happy behind a 396 motor http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

When we are done they are basicly 4L65Es PLUS http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Ellis
Team Captain
Team North West F-Body
www.teamnwfbody.org (http://www.teamnwfbody.org)

Awsome, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thanks fellas http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by OneFlyn95z28:
Yes the transmissions I build have ALL this stuff and more in them and live happy behind a 396 motor http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

When we are done they are basicly 4L65Es PLUS http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Are you building these trannys for people.

yes but only in the Seattle area http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

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Ellis
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