Mach 1 tries.

I was out driving around last nite and I noticed a dark green mustang go by on the street with one of those "shaker" hoods so I followed him and he headed for the hwy. I pulled up beside him going 70mph and tried getting him to go but he wouldn't so I speeded ahead to about 80mph then he caught back up with me. I put it in 3rd gear and hammered on it, he hit the gas first so he got about 1/4 of a car on me but I ran to the end of 4th gear 6000rpm and i was about 3/4 of a car ahead!

I can't wait to get my passenger side header leak fixed and my 2 y-pipe gaskets changed with some new 02 sensors! Mach 1s, here I come ;)

Oh btw his plate said MACH LT so I'm assuming its a Mach 1.

nice kill. :death:

If that car was dark green you might have ran a Bullitt.

FYI....Mach's have never been available in green. It is likely you ran a Bullitt or a GT (there was a green color in 2003 and earlier models). The GT's hood doesn't look that much different than the shaker hood - especially at night.

BTW...not saying you could or could not race and beat a Mach 1....just stating that there is a good chance what you raced this time was likely not a Mach 1.

Guy around here bought a Mach 1, bone stock like low 13's@106MPH....

Yeah it probably was a GT or a Bullitt. A Mach 1 should beat you with your limited mods and problems.

Originally posted by Bob Cosby
FYI....Mach's have never been available in green.

Nah I'm 100% positive that it was a Mach 1. It might not have been green, I did race him at night and any chance that I could see his car under a street light while we were driving he was too far ahead to really tell. It could have been blue or black for all I know. But if it was a bullitt or a GT why would he have MACH LT for a license plate? Besides, his car was a hellovalot faster at those speeds than a couple 02 Gts that I've raced. I did pull on him, but not much from 80mph to 125~mph.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Yeah it probably was a GT or a Bullitt. A Mach 1 should beat you with your limited mods and problems.

Key word here is should. Anything can happen on the street. Maybe he wasn't a good driver? Maybe something was wrong with his car? Maybe he didn't shift as high as he should? I do have a couple more mods too. I got a pulley on the crank, PCM tuning because my car came from factory with a speed limiter (no Z rated tires). Considering that stock Mach 1s are putting down 275rwhp STOCK, and LT1s with just LT headers and K&N filters are putting down around 290-300rwhp I don't see any reason that I couldn't beat one from a roll. From a 80mph roll, weight isn't that much of a factor, but the amount of power you have. From a stop though I'm sure it would have been different.

Gotta love bench racing...

Originally posted by hsyr
Key word here is should. Anything can happen on the street. Maybe he wasn't a good driver? Maybe something was wrong with his car? Maybe he didn't shift as high as he should? I do have a couple more mods too. I got a pulley on the crank, PCM tuning because my car came from factory with a speed limiter (no Z rated tires). Considering that stock Mach 1s are putting down 275rwhp STOCK, and LT1s with just LT headers and K&N filters are putting down around 290-300rwhp I don't see any reason that I couldn't beat one from a roll. From a 80mph roll, weight isn't that much of a factor, but the amount of power you have. From a stop though I'm sure it would have been different.

Makes sense!

Lets not forget how slow the automatic Mach 1's are.

The 5 speeds are pretty fast, though.

Originally posted by hsyr
Key word here is should. Anything can happen on the street. Maybe he wasn't a good driver? Maybe something was wrong with his car? Maybe he didn't shift as high as he should? I do have a couple more mods too. I got a pulley on the crank, PCM tuning because my car came from factory with a speed limiter (no Z rated tires). Considering that stock Mach 1s are putting down 275rwhp STOCK, and LT1s with just LT headers and K&N filters are putting down around 290-300rwhp I don't see any reason that I couldn't beat one from a roll. From a 80mph roll, weight isn't that much of a factor, but the amount of power you have. From a stop though I'm sure it would have been different.

i agree with you. it should, but it didn't happen because it wasn't a mach 1 :) i'm kidding.

Anything can happen on the street,true, but i'm surprised since you said you actually saw the shaker,how do you know it was a shaker??, according to you, it was dark at night, so even though you said it was dark green, it's so easy to tell when you have a gt or a mach 1 in front of you because of the rear badge. you followed the guy but didn't see the bagde?? also, if you thougt it was black, how come you didn't say it from the beginning.

if i'm not sure about the color of a car in the night, i would see it black, because it's to dark to realize if it's dark blue, drak green or dark gray, but still you clearly stated it was "dark green", so you really saw the color, didn't you???

nice gt or bullit kill :). kidding again.

There is a dark grey color....

Dark Shadow Grey Clearcoat Metallic
Competition Orange Clearcoat
Torch Red Clearcoat
Screaming Yellow Clearcoat
Black Clearcoat
Oxford White Clearcoat
Azure Blue

The blue would never be mistaken for dark blue. Not even at night.

Its kinda like a porta-potty blue.

Too bad that engine isn't in a more plain-jane looking car. The wheels and interior don't do it for me.

Originally posted by robvas
porta-potty blue.


:lol: :lol: That is a great name of a color to add to Ford's line up!

I don't see why it couldn't be a Mach 1, other than the color thing. I beat several at the track back when my car was stock-motored like this guy's, except I had shorties and a stock tune.

For every stock Mach 1 running low 13's at 106+ I hear about on the internet I've seen 2 or 3 5-speeds that run high 13's at 101-103 in real life. A low 13 second stock Mach 1 is like a high 12 second stock LS1. They're out there but not too common.

Originally posted by hsyr
Nah I'm 100% positive that it was a Mach 1. It might not have been green, I did race him at night and any chance that I could see his car under a street light while we were driving he was too far ahead to really tell. It could have been blue or black for all I know. But if it was a bullitt or a GT why would he have MACH LT for a license plate? Besides, his car was a hellovalot faster at those speeds than a couple 02 Gts that I've raced. I did pull on him, but not much from 80mph to 125~mph.

Ok, and again, I'm not saying you could or could not beat one.

BTW....and take no offense....but how can you state the color (with no reservations) and "assume" it was a Mach 1 in your first post, and then not be sure of the color and be 100% positive it was a Mach 1 in your second post?

No big deal...just more food for thought. :)

Very well put Moore94Z, I see the same thing around my parts but I rarely get into these debates with these stang guys because you just can't seem to win:confused:

Originally posted by robvas
Lets not forget how slow the automatic Mach 1's are.

The 5 speeds are pretty fast, though.

More than likely that is what he ran.

Originally posted by MISOMWS6
Very well put Moore94Z, I see the same thing around my parts but I rarely get into these debates with these stang guys because you just can't seem to win:confused:

Stereotyping is your friend.

No no, really.

Originally posted by Moore94Z

For every stock Mach 1 running low 13's at 106+ I hear about on the internet I've seen 2 or 3 5-speeds that run high 13's at 101-103 in real life.

Truest statement this month! For every stock 12 second LS1 I hear about on the internet I see all of them do low to mid 13s AT BEST. The stock 12 second LS1 is rare as he**!

i've been at the 1/8 mile 3 times only at irwindale,ca and in those 3 times i haven't seen the first stock lt1 to break into the 8's. the fastest one i saw did 9.10
i did 8.8 and i'm a bad driver so go figures. :).

i would be at carlsbad,ca 03/28/2004.

this would be my 2nd time at the 1/4 mile track. i ran 13.7@102 the first time. i know 2 guys with mach1's also that ran 13.2@106 the same day, and they would be there also.

i'll shoot for 13.2 with a catback only, stock tires.(installing slp loudmouth next week :cool:)

i think it would be really good to have some ls1/lt1 running against us that day. what do you guys think??? friendly races, ls1/lt1/gto/mach1 running side by side.

high 13's 5 speed mach 1's are been driven by people learning how to drive stick shift. trust me when i said this car is very capable of 13.2 -13.3 stock form. if you live close to carlsbad,ca come and see it for yourself.

from what Ive read, carlsbad is a pretty fast track. read of some minimal mod (catback, lid) LS1's trapping 112 ish there. Those same 106 trap speeds there is probably like low 104's here at Sacramento Raceway or like 99-100 at Sears Point/Infineon Raceway (both at sea level too :confused: ). Every track can be different.

I tell you what I think is really funny.

Guys come on here and let every one know that at their track a Mach goes 13.90s at best. Well sea level plays a huge roll in this along with driver error, track conditions and weather conditions.

I saw two people last month who owned Machs go to our local track. Its an 1/8th mile track thats garbage without slicks.
They both show up in their yellow & red Machs and proceed to race each other on street tires. First off they could not drive the machines they purchased worth a crap. They averaged 9.85 @ 80 mph and the best time took on down to 9.06 @ 83 mph.
Now I know some people would immediately jump on the board....especially if they didnt like Mustangs and tell all of their buds that Machs are slow and run high 9s or some high end number. The truth of the matter is that on a great conditioned day with a good track and drag radials I have personally been to the track with a Mach that was driven by my friend to a 8.37 @ 84 mph.Which in the 1/4 would be a 12 second run and his only mods are Drag radials!!!!! Lets remind our selves that its not the machines fault if your sorry ass cant drive it to its potential.

Mike

Originally posted by MauriSSio
from what Ive read, carlsbad is a pretty fast track. read of some minimal mod (catback, lid) LS1's trapping 112 ish there. Those same 106 trap speeds there is probably like low 104's here at Sacramento Raceway or like 99-100 at Sears Point/Infineon Raceway (both at sea level too :confused: ). Every track can be different.

Why is that? They are all near sea level, right? The only differences could be temperature, barometer, wind, and humidity??

carlsbad is an old track.

i don't know, if it is a really fast track or not. but i heard from the camaro/mustang guys the day i was there, traction sucks big time at carlsbad, even with et's

i heard fontana is better, but heck what do i know :)

anywways, here is the challenge

http://www.jbaracing.com/assets/images/dragsflyer.pdf

Originally posted by redcamaro
i agree with you. it should, but it didn't happen because it wasn't a mach 1 :) i'm kidding.

Anything can happen on the street,true, but i'm surprised since you said you actually saw the shaker,how do you know it was a shaker??, according to you, it was dark at night, so even though you said it was dark green, it's so easy to tell when you have a gt or a mach 1 in front of you because of the rear badge. you followed the guy but didn't see the bagde?? also, if you thougt it was black, how come you didn't say it from the beginning.

if i'm not sure about the color of a car in the night, i would see it black, because it's to dark to realize if it's dark blue, drak green or dark gray, but still you clearly stated it was "dark green", so you really saw the color, didn't you???

nice gt or bullit kill :). kidding again.

Well I think it was a shaker hood because I have seen plenty of 00-02 Gts around and this hood looked different to me. Also I stated from my first post that it was dark green because that it was it looked like but at night dark green and black look very similar when there is no light around. When I was following the guy on the street I couldn't get close enough to tell for sure because there was a vehicle between us. On the hwy I never noticed the badge because I was too busy looking at his license plate that said MACH LT. I really don't see why you guys have such a hard time believing this :confused: Its not like I said I just wasted him from a roll or anything stupid like that. I just think you guys get too caught up in some good timeslips that are posted on the internet or in a magazine and then think that EVERY driver out there will do the exact same in different situations.
Z28 - 1
Mach 1 - 0 nuff said.

Originally posted by Bob Cosby
Ok, and again, I'm not saying you could or could not beat one.

BTW....and take no offense....but how can you state the color (with no reservations) and "assume" it was a Mach 1 in your first post, and then not be sure of the color and be 100% positive it was a Mach 1 in your second post?

No big deal...just more food for thought. :)

No offense taken :) I'm positive because of the license plate that said MACH LT and the rather different from a GT hood. Like I said, dark green and black and be mistaken at night especially when your going 70mph - 125mph.

Originally posted by scott9050
More than likely that is what he ran.

Yea it must have been because there is no way a LT1 could be the mighty mach 1 5 speed. It was probably running on 7 cylinders too right ? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Steve Y
Why is that? They are all near sea level, right? The only differences could be temperature, barometer, wind, and humidity?? Both sea level, same temp, baro and humidity, no wind. I dont know why, the track has been slow ever since they renovated it, its just the way it is....

Originally posted by hsyr
Well I think it was a shaker hood because I have seen plenty of 00-02 Gts around and this hood looked different to me. Also I stated from my first post that it was dark green because that it was it looked like but at night dark green and black look very similar when there is no light around. When I was following the guy on the street I couldn't get close enough to tell for sure because there was a vehicle between us. On the hwy I never noticed the badge because I was too busy looking at his license plate that said MACH LT. I really don't see why you guys have such a hard time believing this :confused: Its not like I said I just wasted him from a roll or anything stupid like that. I just think you guys get too caught up in some good timeslips that are posted on the internet or in a magazine and then think that EVERY driver out there will do the exact same in different situations.
Z28 - 1
Mach 1 - 0 nuff said.

I do not have a hard time believing it, I just believe that you ran an A-4 one which would be just as described. You should have flagged him down and talked for a few minutes so you could have made sure of what he had.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
Both sea level, same temp, baro and humidity, no wind. I dont know why, the track has been slow ever since they renovated it, its just the way it is....

Maybe the track is slightly uphill? There has to be some reason why it is slower.

Originally posted by hsyr
Yea it must have been because there is no way a LT1 could be the mighty mach 1 5 speed. It was probably running on 7 cylinders too right ? :rolleyes:

No, because with just exaust and you bragging how your car has an exaust leak and is not running to it's full potential with those mods, an A-4 is more likely what you ran. Look, you have no clue what you ran other than a license plate and a hood that you *think* is a Mach I shaker. Don't get pissed as the rest of us speculating what you ran, especially when you keep flip-flopping about what you saw. Fact of the matter is that you may or may not have driven against a Mach I, and you sure as hell have no way of knowing what tranny was in it. Until you get the sense to pull over the driver and talk next time, don't get pissed off at us when you are assuming that what you ran is the best and fastest of a particular model without knowing for sure.

Originally posted by scott9050
I do not have a hard time believing it, I just believe that you ran an A-4 one which would be just as described. You should have flagged him down and talked for a few minutes so you could have made sure of what he had.


He was headed out of town and didn't seem to want to play after we ran once. Doesn't matter to me what kind of mods he had or whatever I just had fun racing. Run what ya brung.