ls1 couldnt hang

I take a trip to this little place I like to race in chicago,feeling pretty confident cause i just tossed a 4.10 gear in my car and have other slight mods.(By the way Its a 99 z28 a4 65000 miles).Feeling pretty confident i aproached a 03 evo-7 by mitsubishi> now i know those cars put out close to 290 power and got awd,but this guy made me look silly first he jumped about 3 cars right out in front but i just couldnt catch this guy.we finished the 1/4 and he still had about 3 cars on me.Now this guys says he put a high flow exhaust on this evo,im skeptical cause i know ls1's with 4.10's aint no joke and i had almost no spin on the launch.Are the evos really that fast?? or is this guy pullin some sh** out of his a**.By the way i lost 50 bucks.

Evos can run low 13s stock. It is very possible for him to beat you by 3 cars, especially on the street where awd hooks much better than rear wheel drive, even if you didn't get any spin, it's obvious you weren't able to hit hte gas as hard as you would have liked off the start.

Dude.. you over geared.. what was your times... I want 60, 1/8th and quartermile... and speeds.


you need a 3.73.. they are 0-60 in like 4.6 and quarter at like 13.2 I think... you should have him with 3.73....


Tim

no official times but how cana 3.73 launch quicker in et's? i getting great launches.i smoke the **** out of other modded z's and ta's

I agree, 4.10 is too much gear for you. You would be better off with 3.73s

Wait, you changed the gears but you still have factory a stall? Shame on you :shock:

Change your gears to 3.73, get a good stall (at least 3000) and some traction, then race him again and get your 50 dollars back

Actually this doesn't surprise me one bit, the Lancer Evo 8 uses a Mitsu 4G63 engine.... for anyone not familar with this engine it is the same engine in the DSMs. And with the AWD advantage, they are easily going to open up a HUGE gap on any RWD or FWD car....and that advantage is extremly pronounced on the street!

But you not being able to catch him hmmm......He must either be one HELL of a good driver, or he isn't telling you something. Stock they are rated at 271hp at the flywheel and are only putting down about 235 AWHP, but opening up the exhaust will easily add 15+ AWHP. But for him to maintain that advantage...especially with the drivetrain loss of an AWD car, he had to also be running a boost controller or maybe a re-programmed ECU(I know Vishnu now has ECUs available for the Lancer to make alot more power).

Stock Evo's are running 14.0-13.7@98-100mph....which makes me really wonder why a LS1 with minor mods...and 4.10s out back wouldn't be able to real in that evo quick.
I'm not sure what speed you got up to, but if you shut down at anything under 80 there was just no hope of you ever catching him.....Bet him another $50 but this time challenge him to a 60mph roll......I bet he will back off real quick!;)

93redbird Dude.. you over geared..

I totaly agree. A weird coincidence is that my buddy tim owns a 00 Ram air TA. He has 342 gears, lid , maff, and hypertech. He raced a Lancer EVO with exhaust and intake. I was in the car and we know the kid from school. We rolled up to a light and they went at it from a dead stop. The EVO popped out in the beginning but soon after tim just passed and gained more on him and smoked him by about 2 cars. Was this EVO by chance silver and have OZ wheels? LOLI dont know wats up but he must have more mods in it. Where do you race in chicago, i like to hit up the expressway when i pick my sister up from Loyola and go to china town with my buddies when i get bored, just to toy with the ricers..

simple basic mods and a good AWD launch makes EVO's formidable.. don't forget they weigh about 300 lbs less than an f-bod.

I think it's been said before, but I'll say it again. 4.10's are too much for an A4 tranny.

3.73 and a higher stall converter would be a MUCH better setup.

Originally posted by transxtreme
I totaly agree. A weird coincidence is that my buddy tim owns a 00 Ram air TA. He has 342 gears, lid , maff, and hypertech. He raced a Lancer EVO with exhaust and intake. I was in the car and we know the kid from school. We rolled up to a light and they went at it from a dead stop. The EVO popped out in the beginning but soon after tim just passed and gained more on him and smoked him by about 2 cars. Was this EVO by chance silver and have OZ wheels? LOLI dont know wats up but he must have more mods in it. Where do you race in chicago, i like to hit up the expressway when i pick my sister up from Loyola and go to china town with my buddies when i get bored, just to toy with the ricers..

Originally posted by transxtreme
I totaly agree. A weird coincidence is that my buddy tim owns a 00 Ram air TA. He has 342 gears, lid , maff, and hypertech. He raced a Lancer EVO with exhaust and intake. I was in the car and we know the kid from school. We rolled up to a light and they went at it from a dead stop. The EVO popped out in the beginning but soon after tim just passed and gained more on him and smoked him by about 2 cars. Was this EVO by chance silver and have OZ wheels? LOLI dont know wats up but he must have more mods in it. Where do you race in chicago, i like to hit up the expressway when i pick my sister up from Loyola and go to china town with my buddies when i get bored, just to toy with the ricers..

It was a blue evo-7 some chinese guy?go figure, im always right off I-94 somtimes south stony island ave. aka dodey road or 103rd lots of poeple go up there on weekends after about 10 pm.

I have a 92 talon turbo awd.And 99taws6 with 450 hp.
Best my ta has done on street tires so far is pathetic 13.35 at 109mph with a 2.27 60ft.I am at 2000 feet above sea level and that also hurts times.The above time is street tires.

I have a bad clutch in the talon but they usually run easy mid thirteens with a bit of boost and mild mods.

The evos already run around 17psi I think but a boost controller still helps keep it constant to redline from an article I read.

They are a bit underated like the ls1 and are lighter.And they have next to no wheelspin stock.There is no way you can't have wheelspin with your 4.10 gears..off the line and thru the gears.

If you want to play with awd cars that can get 1.8 60fts or even lower on street tires you need to run around with nitto drag radials or the new et street drag radials or run with some bfg drags or et streets.

And still agree a good combo like a 3500 stall and 3.42 or maybe 3.73 with an auto will likely work much better for you.

And if you really want to put the hurt down on a lot of this stuff get some serious mods like heads,cam,long tubes,etc or for cheap and fast get some nitrous.:D

Next to no chance of outrunning an awd car like these from the lights.Even if the roads are bone dry and warm.If the roads are damp and cold /wet etc forget it not a chance.I incinerate just about everything off the line including awd trucks with my talon.

It will be interesting to try some rollons against my own or buddies 500 engine hp SS this season.My talon is being modified to be around 500 engine hp.Should make for some interesting races.He has only run a best of 12.5 at 115mph up here on street tires.He bought nittos but his rear end is hurting so can't use them right now.Without them I should be able to crush him.Better 60fts and lighter car and the turbo can put out some big numbers
on boost with a much bigger than stock turbo.

My friend has an Evo with a boost of 20 psi, !CAT, turbo back pipe, tuning, bigger exhaust pipes, better intake.

Lemme tell you, he spins all 4 wheels so the traction of AWD isn't as good as you say (he launches at 3 grand so that may mean something).

Evo's are underated. His put out 250 AWHP and is putting close to 290 now. Those things are really nasty just not so on the highway. He probably runs mid 12's but he knows that he will never take an LS1 from a 20+ mph roll :).

Hey hows the cop situation up at dodey? I havent been there since I got the car, and wanted to go up there this year but heard cops are up there every 30min.

I'll agree that you're over geared for factory size wheels/tires. I can bet that on a true 1/4 mile track you're probably going to hit the rev limiter, or get very close, before the traps. 3.73s would be a better choice.

On a street combo, 3.73s with ~3500 stall are killer. You would have been better with stock gears and a stall than 4.10s.

Originally posted by redzsmoked212
I take a trip to this little place I like to race in chicago,feeling pretty confident cause i just tossed a 4.10 gear in my car and have other slight mods.(By the way Its a 99 z28 a4 65000 miles).Feeling pretty confident i aproached a 03 evo-7 by mitsubishi> now i know those cars put out close to 290 power and got awd,but this guy made me look silly first he jumped about 3 cars right out in front but i just couldnt catch this guy.we finished the 1/4 and he still had about 3 cars on me.Now this guys says he put a high flow exhaust on this evo,im skeptical cause i know ls1's with 4.10's aint no joke and i had almost no spin on the launch.Are the evos really that fast?? or is this guy pullin some sh** out of his a**.By the way i lost 50 bucks. I took one from a roll for bout 4 seconds of racing , in my LT1 w/410's and I was pulling him , not crazy fast , but pulling him nmone the less ..I know My LS1 would beat one . Maybe he wasnt stock . If you are geared , you should have took him ! They are very fast , they typiclly run a 13.3-13.8 . But you may be over geared . You are wasting your RPM range . BTW , I dont see how your car can hold the ground w/those gears . W/out drag radials .

HAHA, me and my buddies always run on I 94. If see a pack of f-bodys, flag us down. Ill be the one drivin the black IROC-Z with white stripes.

Originally posted by 99blackz99
Hey hows the cop situation up at dodey? I havent been there since I got the car, and wanted to go up there this year but heard cops are up there every 30min.

plan on goin up there this weekend its gonna be in the 50's thats great racing weather you should email me at redzsmoked212@yahoo.com if your gonna go up there ill look out for you and the cop situation sometimes bad sometimes good the last time i was up there i raced a black trans am(00 auto) right in front of the cop on duty he didnt even give a sh**. i saw him sittin around but he wasnt kicking people out, so i said fu** it im gonna race the cops dont care as long as you dont do dumb **** like fights/drugs and so on..

What RPM is your A4 running at 60mph? I think you would be much happier with 3:73's.

Originally posted by Hawk350
What RPM is your A4 running at 60mph? I think you would be much happier with 3:73's.
is that at wot trottle or cruising speed, cruising speed its about 2100 rpms

at wot it usaually kicks out of 1st about around 45mph so my best guess is prbabbly about 5500-5800 i dont really know exactly havent had much time to really test it out yet..

Originally posted by `99 Super Sport
I'll agree that you're over geared for factory size wheels/tires. I can bet that on a true 1/4 mile track you're probably going to hit the rev limiter, or get very close, before the traps. 3.73s would be a better choice.

On a street combo, 3.73s with ~3500 stall are killer. You would have been better with stock gears and a stall than 4.10s.

According to this http://www.f-body.org/gears/ he could do 112 mph in 3rd gear at 6000 rpm. He would be close or hitting 4th gear near the end. What does he trap? Maybe 107 mph?

Seems like everybody here is saying you went to far with the gears, well in any case I have to re-itterate, HOW CAN YOU NOT HAVE WHEEL SPIN WITH 4.11 GEARS IN A LS1 ON STREET TIRES ON THE STREET. That must have been the perfect surface with the perfect street tire ant the perfect time with you applying the perfect amount of throttle. That makes racing AWD cars pretty depressing from a stop.

I ran a black EVO the other nite not sure if it was a 7 or 8 or whatever, don,t even know what that means...:D
I ran him from a roll cause I knew he had all wheel drive and I was on street tires.
He kept up pretty good for a bit but the faster we went the farther behind he got.
I rolled the window down at the next light to talk to him but he wouldn,t even look over.....
He did launch the car from the light and lets just say next time I run one of those cars I am going to have my Nittos......it launched HARD.

Originally posted by 87ROC
Seems like everybody here is saying you went to far with the gears, well in any case I have to re-itterate, HOW CAN YOU NOT HAVE WHEEL SPIN WITH 4.11 GEARS IN A LS1 ON STREET TIRES ON THE STREET. That must have been the perfect surface with the perfect street tire ant the perfect time with you applying the perfect amount of throttle. That makes racing AWD cars pretty depressing from a stop. Very good point , My 3:42 setup spins at WOT and dont stop till I let off . And the tires are in good shape .

It was most likely an Evo 8 you raced. Stock they run good but with minor mods they can be a handfull. I ran one with a turboback exhaust, air/fuel controller and another minor thing or two and he beat me by about a car from a roll. As the speeds increased I was able to match his speed but not get ahead. I also was in the Evo with one of my 225lb buddies(read three full sized adults in the car) as he pulled my other buddies 98 Z28 six speed on the highway. These Evo's are running 20psi stock that tapers off as revs increase, if you get some electronics to keep that 20 psi throughout the range and get your air/fuel ratio under control they are enough to beat a lot of cars from a roll. That and the fact that they have AWD means it's a car to watch out for. Just because it has four doors doesn't mean it's slow;)