cheating s.o.b.

ran up on a 96 cobra today.dude was talking crap about f-bodies in general so i made him an offer to put his money were his mouth was.so he agreed to run me for a c-note.i have a 99 a-4 with your usual bolt ons,auburn 3.73 gear and a yank 3500 stall converter.he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers.i asked him if he was sure he wanted to do this.he said "oh yeah." that should have been a sign right there.anyhow we line up take off and i jump him out of the hole.then all of the sudden that damn cobra jumped out in front and stayed there.i mean way out.3-4 car lengths.i was like WTF.NO WAY IN HELL THAT CAR IS STOCK.well i met him on the side of the road to settle up with my money in pocket and .40 cal glock in the other pocket.i told him no money till i see under the hood.well to shorten this up he had a friggin 150 shot of juice on it.he got no money and got to leave without me doing him any bodily harm.told him i was going to put the word out on him.and i have.shame he didnt have enough faith in his car to race without cheating.pisses me off.

Dang man, lose the heat. Can only bring trouble in a situation like that.

Guy was a looser, that's for sure.

Dan

dont get the wrong idea i work for afosi[air force investigations] and was on my way home.the sidearm is part of my gear.i am not a retard,just trying to have a little fun and got screwed by a real retard.

Cool. Don't want crazys out there racing me with a sidearm in their pocket I didn't know about. :) In your case, I understand. thanks for explaining.

So the guy was ready to take your money before you made him pop the hood? What an idiot. He'll learn the hard way one of these times.

Dan

yeah he will when someone with less self control than myself beats him within a inch of his life.some people dont play that.especially when there is money involved.

so where did he cheat?? :confused: sounds like your a sore loser to me.:rolleyes:

well i think it happened sometime when we were telling what we had done to our cars and he failed to mention the laughing gas.you dont think that was cheating?i revealed all my mods in good faith,he should have done the same.the reason he didnt is because he knew that his mustang didnt stand a snowballs chance in hell without the gas.

It's sad that he didn't pull more than 4 cars on you with a 150 shot.

Got any times on your car?

no not yet.will be going home to ga. in a couple of weeks.there is a track bout 20 miles from my mom and dads place.every sat. nite is test and tune.will have some times then and maybe some dyno numbers if i can talk my dads buddy into putting my car on his dynojet while i am there.headers and y-pipe are on the way.then we will be going in the motor for some serious mods.right now i need to adress this traction problem i am having.i am destroying my street tires.i thought about maybe a set of draglites and drag radials.what do you think?

Well having a 150 shot isn't cheating but if he wanted to race you straight up with all the mods being told then yea I wouldn't have paid him either.

Wow i never realized your supposed to reveal all your mods befor you race.I guess i cheat all the time:rolleyes: You challenged the guy to the race.You should have had the integrity to pay the guy and now your bragging about it on a car forum.Like were all supposed to be impressed,because you carry a gun and don't honor your bets.

I agree that it is 'cheating' because when you hear of a 96 cobra with the aforementioned mods, it would be a descent race for a bolt on LT1. Not saying anything about a 150 shot is like putting v6 badges on your F-body and not saying anything about those pesky other two cylinders. When racing for money, and you compare mods, one can't simply just 'leave out' a detail like a 150 shot. However if the race is done as far as 'run what ya brung' then all is fair game. Just think that this one was moreso a case of the cobra owner not mentioning his 150 shot.

lets get something straight here.yes,i challenged but i also revealed everything i have done to my z.he should have done the same.just be honest about it.i was he wasnt.thats my point.second thing,i carry a firearm as part of my job.i am not some hot head running around looking for a fight.i am a 33 year old 13+ year law enforcement officer,not some young idiot,so i could really care less if you were impressed or not,that was not the issue.nor was i trying to impress anyone.i was just venting because i got screwed around by some jackwad that didnt have enough faith in his equipment to run me without the juice,so he chose to keep it a secret,and still try to take my money.wrong answer.like someone said earlier,if it had been run what you brung,i would have accepted my beating and went home.but things being as they were,that dog wont hunt.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
so where did he cheat?? :confused: sounds like your a sore loser to me.:rolleyes:

Yeah lets go head to head for $100 "all motor"

Then I squeeze 150 shot to beat you....

Youd still pay after the breach on a mans agreement?

I think ENRON is looking for a few good men like you :rolleyes:

Exactly. What's the difference between lying about your mods and cheating?

Reminds me of a race I had 2 years ago with a red Z28 Lt1 in my Supra. He told me all he had was roller rockers. We got on the highway and ran dead even from 60-140. My Supra had just dyno'd 435 rwhp the week before so I know he was full of it. Got back to the Kmart lot where we met and I called BS. Then he fessed up to his 200 shot before driving off.

Jason

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Yeah lets go head to head for $100 "all motor"

Then I squeeze 150 shot to beat you....

Youd still pay after the breach on a mans agreement?

I think ENRON is looking for a few good men like you :rolleyes:

PROHUNTR-

In your particular situation, I'd say the other guy was in the wrong.

However, you got lucky. Around here where I live, if you walk up to someone and tell them you want to race, you BETTER have the sand to back it up. I could care less if you tell me what you've got in your car, that's your problem. I ain't tellin' you jack.

That's just the way the game is played around here. You do what you gotta do to win...



Jon

Originally posted by prohunter4
lets get something straight here.yes,i challenged but i also revealed everything i have done to my z.he should have done the same.just be honest about it.i was he wasnt.thats my point.second thing,i carry a firearm as part of my job.i am not some hot head running around looking for a fight.i am a 33 year old 13+ year law enforcement officer,not some young idiot,so i could really care less if you were impressed or not,that was not the issue.nor was i trying to impress anyone.i was just venting because i got screwed around by some jackwad that didnt have enough faith in his equipment to run me without the juice,so he chose to keep it a secret,and still try to take my money.wrong answer.like someone said earlier,if it had been run what you brung,i would have accepted my beating and went home.but things being as they were,that dog wont hunt.

Why would someone with 13+ years of LE experience mention that he was carrying .40 Glock in his pocket when describing a race with a 96 Cobra on an internet bulletin board. Someone with that much experience should demonstrate more ethics and professionalism than that. You seem to be implying that you expected to need it since you knew before you even came to a stop that you were probably going to back out of the bet (which does suggest that you could be, as you put it, "some hot head running around looking for a fight"). And let's be serious here... Air Force Investigations? You were carrying that weapon concealed. I hope you have a concealed weapons permit in your state. A lot of states, including mine, only allow military personnel to carry their weapons in a concealed manner when they are ON-DUTY, which you clearly were not. Although, I must be honest and state that I don't know how it works in your state. Please do us all a favor... secure your weapon when you're off-duty and just stick to the details of the race. That's all we care about.

The other guy blatantly lied about his mods by leaving the 150 shot out. He was being a sneaky weasel. Bet straight up or not at all. Either both parties tell all mods or none of the mods. I would not pay him either!

I once had this jerk bet me he could run a mile in under 5 minutes. It was for $20. I considered him to be a friend. So we went down to this school and he ran 4 laps around the track. He completed it really easy with time to spare. I took my truck out there and clocked it. Each lap was 1/8 of a mile! He knew this ahead of time and tried to weasel $20 out of me. I did not pay him, called him an a**hole and lost much respect for him. We are not friends anymore. I don't want friends like that. They say people should not bet because of this sort of thing happening. But betting sure is a quick route to seeing the integrity of another person!

first thing,i am a civilian that works for the military.second,i am on duty 24-7,part of the job,and lastly i had no idea before i got out of the car that i wasnt gonna pay the dude.sidearm is on me all the time and for your info,not thst i need it but i do have a concealed carry permit

Ok I think we can stop beating him up about the gun now, I don't really care if he has a gun, as long as he uses it morally and with reasonable cause.

And yeah it's "run whatcha brung" on the street or at the track, but not mentioning your 150 shot in a race for money is pretty f'd up. I certainly wouldn't have given him any money after that. In fact, I would have demanded his nitrous bottle in my hand and a rematch, since after all it was a race with prior knowledge of the vehicles involved.- You should have been walking away with his money.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by GreenDemon
Ok I think we can stop beating him up about the gun now, I don't really care if he has a gun, as long as he uses it morally and with reasonable cause.

And yeah it's "run whatcha brung" on the street or at the track, but not mentioning your 150 shot in a race for money is pretty f'd up. I certainly wouldn't have given him any money after that. In fact, I would have demanded his nitrous bottle in my hand and a rematch, since after all it was a race with prior knowledge of the vehicles involved.- You should have been walking away with his money.:rolleyes:

Great post! :bow:

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Yeah lets go head to head for $100 "all motor"

Then I squeeze 150 shot to beat you....

Youd still pay after the breach on a mans agreement?

I think ENRON is looking for a few good men like you :rolleyes: must have missed that part where he said "lets run all motor". :rolleyes: are you sure you even read the same story? never once does it say anything like that. sounds like your putting words in his mouth to me.

why did you worry about finding out his mods AFTER the race?? i would have not bet anything if I wasnt confident of my mods, especially someone who would not say what they have. he doesnt have to tell your squat, i would have just turned away. looks like your own mistake.:cry:

lol, thanks steve.:cool:
I wonder if the guy that posted this is bothering to respond anymore? I think it belongs in the lounge now anyway, it's more of an "opinion" item. - and since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, nothing really ever gets solved since this one is kind of in the gray area anyway. Getting pissed off over a post on a message board isn't exactly enlightening anyway...

But for the record, I wouldn't have given him a dime. Rematch!
But I only race for fun. I'd never make any money anyway. Every race I get into I just smoke the tires. You'd think having an auto would make it easier to launch. Oh well, I've got 2 new tires waiting to go on the back.:)

Originally posted by MauriSSio
must have missed that part where he said "lets run all motor". :rolleyes: are you sure you even read the same story? never once does it say anything like that. sounds like your putting words in his mouth to me.

why did you worry about finding out his mods AFTER the race?? i would have not bet anything if I wasnt confident of my mods, especially someone who would not say what they have. he doesnt have to tell your squat, i would have just turned away. looks like your own mistake.:cry:

"he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers." The guy lied! He deserved socked in the jaw for lying and trying to take $$ by being a sneaky weasel!

Originally posted by Steve Y
"he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers." The guy lied! He deserved socked in the jaw for lying and trying to take $$ by being a sneaky weasel!

Heh....ya, but if everyone was always honest, nobody would ever race for money. ;) While I don't condone lying about your setup, and wouldn't do it myself....when it comes to money races...usually nobody will be honest about what they have.

Originally posted by prohunter4
ran up on a 96 cobra today.dude was talking crap about f-bodies in general so i made him an offer to put his money were his mouth was.so he agreed to run me for a c-note.i have a 99 a-4 with your usual bolt ons,auburn 3.73 gear and a yank 3500 stall converter.he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers.i asked him if he was sure he wanted to do this.he said "oh yeah." that should have been a sign right there.anyhow we line up take off and i jump him out of the hole.then all of the sudden that damn cobra jumped out in front and stayed there.i mean way out.3-4 car lengths.i was like WTF.NO WAY IN HELL THAT CAR IS STOCK.well i met him on the side of the road to settle up with my money in pocket and .40 cal glock in the other pocket.i told him no money till i see under the hood.well to shorten this up he had a friggin 150 shot of juice on it.he got no money and got to leave without me doing him any bodily harm.told him i was going to put the word out on him.and i have.shame he didnt have enough faith in his car to race without cheating.pisses me off.

GGGG G UNIT...thats gangsta.

If your running for money...run what ya brung!

I wouldnt have given him a dime. If I was racin for money i would make damn sure i knew what they were running. It doesnt take much for someone to throw a 150 shot of nitrous on any vehicle and race a typically fast car like a stock mustang or camaro and win.

it sucks he didnt tell you his mods,but the way i see it is,both drivers took each other for less than what they are. YOU KNEW your car was faster so you put money on it (why take his money when you knew something he didnt??),well, he did the same. You thought he was an idiot and easy money and he thought the same about you.

P.S-If all you have is a few bolt ons then that Cobra driver was straight HORRIBLE if he was spraying,he should pretty much be hanging with Vipers with that power. doesnt sound like he even sprayed,if you ask me

That guy was a jackass, I probably would have pistol whipped him for good measure. Course, I don't think I would have lost to him and his little 150 shot. :D

Oh, and there's no way a "bolt on" LS1 should loose to a "bolt on" 96 Cobra by 3 or 4 lengths (especially since the LS1 got the jump on the Cobra) unless said Cobra was spraying. Also, I don't see a 96 Cobra with a 150 shot hanging with a Viper either. A Cobra with a 150 shot should hit 12's, Vipers run in the 11's last I checked. Well, maybe if the guy in the Viper was straight HORRIBLE.

a viper would hit 12.2 at best with a "normal" (im thinking not everybody can handle 10 cylinders of torque) driver. A 96 Cobra with a 150 shot and bolt ons should be REALLY close to that (AT LEAST 115MPH trap speeds). Average Viper traps 117ish. I said he should be HANGING with Vipers not killing every one of them. I still dont see the Cobra only winning by 3-4 cars with the juice

oh yeah,my friends 96 Cobra with 4.10's cutouts and pullies is trapping 106-107 which is right around lightly modded LS1 autos (stock the autos trap closer to 104). I guess anyithing can happen on the street but if the cobra had been spraying,he would have put a few buslegths on him.

i raced an m6 ls1 f-body w/a 125 hp shot at the track... he go me by car lengths, not bus lengths. he ran a 12.395 @ 118.65 (2.151 60ft) vs what is in my sig. he had a few minor bolt-ons, as well.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
a viper would hit 12.2 at best with a "normal" (im thinking not everybody can handle 10 cylinders of torque) driver. A 96 Cobra with a 150 shot and bolt ons should be REALLY close to that (AT LEAST 115MPH trap speeds). Average Viper traps 117ish. I said he should be HANGING with Vipers not killing every one of them. I still dont see the Cobra only winning by 3-4 cars with the juice

Ok Ok Ok.

So, If the mustake runs a 12.2 with bolt ons and 150 shot at 117mph sounds about like he was definately spraying. In my altitude (about 7000ft.) A stock lt1 with bolt ons can run constistant 14's or 15's. If the mustake was 3-4 car lenghts ahead of the 14-15 second F-body, and you use the state patrol's method of figuring seconds between cars(one car legnth = one second), then that would mean that the Fbody REALLY runs a 15-16, the mustake runs a 12 (doubtful, I'm thinking more of 13's) and the only way a mustake can get to 12-13's is by sucking on a bottle, the guy was definately spraying.

Got friends that are bottle-fed too, all F-bodies, all LT1's. The best time out of all three of them is 13.1 @ 7000 ft. Altitute. So, if they weren't bottle fed, they would run about 14-15 which still makes the above equation fact. Bottle or no bottle, the guy should have released that information before the race considering he really started the race by talkin smack about someone who pulles up next to him. He didn't because he knew that by telling his opponent that he was bottle fed, unless his opponent has a bottle, turbocharger, or supercharger, his opponent would not have raced. The Ford Mustake (or mistake, whichever one prefers) owner knew he was going to cheat to win, its called pre-meditated cheating. He planned it.

First off ,

If I was him I would have hid the Nitrous kit If was going to try that on some one for money. I have worked installing nitrous kits for many years and know that you would have never found my kit without taking the fenders and engine bay apart.

Mike

I had some dork with a hatchback civic pull a gun on me once after I blew his doors off... And I was barely on it.


His mods were: exhaust. A wing. Primered panels. Some mild cam. He was using ricer math and thought he was pushing some 500 hp because he had a cam.


LOL :D

tobin i was talking about sea level. The Mustake :rolleyes: (is it a Mustake that the Camaro dont exist anymore??) shouldve won by more than 3 lengths. at those speeds each legth is closer to A TENTH of a second

Originally posted by MauriSSio
tobin i was talking about sea level. The Mustake :rolleyes: (is it a Mustake that the Camaro dont exist anymore??) shouldve won by more than 3 lengths. at those speeds each legth is closer to A TENTH of a second


Is it a Mustake that 10 year old z28's run with brand new gt's?

Originally posted by BiGGinZ
Is it a Mustake that 10 year old z28's run with brand new gt's?

I agree, lets look at MauriSSio's signature for a min. He even admits that his four door, 9C1 ran as fast as his mustake!! If this is true, why the F*ck is he driving a FORD when a four door sedan can keep with his mustake!?!?!

I would be embarrased to drive something that a four door sedan can keep with..........

"Nuttn but love, a whole lotta luv" :D

T

Originally posted by MauriSSio
shouldve won by more than 3 lengths.

Yes, but maybe he as spinning or having other problems.

Originally posted by tobin
(one car legnth = one second)

the only way a mustake can get to 12-13's is by sucking on a bottle, the guy was definately spraying.



You have so much to learn, junior. One car length is about 1/10 of a second at the end of a 1/4 mile race. A stock '03 Cobra has run 12.4 before. A stock '99 GT has gone 13.7. A stock Mach 1 has gone low 13s. Free mod Fox bodies have gone high 13s.

He didnt cheat, nor did he have to tell you all his mods..thats what ya get for racing for money

There isn't a certain WAY that you race for money on the streets. If they were revealing their mods before the race and he left the nitrous out then he cheated. But if you guys said lets just race with what we both have then it was fair. There is many different ways you can look at it.

Originally posted by tobin
I agree, lets look at MauriSSio's signature for a min. He even admits that his four door, 9C1 ran as fast as his mustake!! If this is true, why the F*ck is he driving a FORD when a four door sedan can keep with his mustake!?!?!

I would be embarrased to drive something that a four door sedan can keep with..........

"Nuttn but love, a whole lotta luv" :D

T yeah, and the 9c1 would have smoke the sh!t out of my Crapmaro. so what? what exactly did you try to prove with that last post??

Originally posted by BiGGinZ
There isn't a certain WAY that you race for money on the streets. If they were revealing their mods before the race and he left the nitrous out then he cheated. But if you guys said lets just race with what we both have then it was fair. There is many different ways you can look at it.

Yup that's really the best way of looking at it. If it's pretty much a "let's race for money" with no mods disclosed, then it's run what you brung. But on the otherhand, if you chose to race someone and each party is supposed to declare exactly what they have, leaving out a big mod like nitrous is cheap BS. None of us was there so we don't know exactly what the deal was, so there's two sides to the story to go by.

Originally posted by Bluntdogg
Yup that's really the best way of looking at it. If it's pretty much a "let's race for money" with no mods disclosed, then it's run what you brung. But on the otherhand, if you chose to race someone and each party is supposed to declare exactly what they have, leaving out a big mod like nitrous is cheap BS. None of us was there so we don't know exactly what the deal was, so there's two sides to the story to go by.

My thoughts exactly!

Originally posted by MauriSSio
yeah, and the 9c1 would have smoke the sh!t out of my Crapmaro. so what? what exactly did you try to prove with that last post??

He's just your typical Chevy newbie that knows nothing about Fords and assumes they all suck. He probably also thinks nobody can be on this board unless they own a Chevy or bow down to them. Just another narrow minded individual in a sea of them.

for your info i owned and modded the **** out of 5 mustangs before i bought the z-28.the last one being a 93 cobra with a bottle fed and supercharged,among a big list of other things,351 cleveland.mid to high 9's in this car was a common occurance.dont just assume since i am new to the f-body thing i dont know anything about cars.big mistake junior.i sold my mustang,what was left of it,in 1998 after smacking a divider wall a the strip doin about 120.did not own another fast car until i bought the z in oct. of last year.just thought a little insight as to what kind of person you are talking about might tone down that arrogance a little.

Originally posted by prohunter4
for your info i owned and modded the **** out of 5 mustangs before i bought the z-28.the last one being a 93 cobra with a bottle fed and supercharged,among a big list of other things,351 cleveland.mid to high 9's in this car was a common occurance.dont just assume since i am new to the f-body thing i dont know anything about cars.big mistake junior.i sold my mustang,what was left of it,in 1998 after smacking a divider wall a the strip doin about 120.did not own another fast car until i bought the z in oct. of last year.just thought a little insight as to what kind of person you are talking about might tone down that arrogance a little.

I was talking about Tobin, not you.

sorry about that guy.seems like a lot of crap over a stupid race.i do apoligize.

Originally posted by prohunter4
sorry about that guy.seems like a lot of crap over a stupid race.i do apoligize.

:)

That guy was stupid, you did the right thing by not giving him the money.

Heres how you cheat with nitrous: have a bottle in the trunk and all the underhood equipment visible.(not a hole kit,Silinoids (sp) bottle, nozzle) When racing someone, ask them if they want you to run all motor. (they will prolly say yes) You go to the trunk and disconnect the bottle with them waching.

Now you have another kit , thats hidden. That isnt visible ANY WHERE, you activate that kit and use it in the race, no one will think you used spray because you just disconnected your bottle!

Originally posted by camaro dreamer
That guy was stupid, you did the right thing by not giving him the money.

Heres how you cheat with nitrous: have a bottle in the trunk and all the underhood equipment visible.(not a hole kit,Silinoids (sp) bottle, nozzle) When racing someone, ask them if they want you to run all motor. (they will prolly say yes) You go to the trunk and disconnect the bottle with them waching.

Now you have another kit , thats hidden. That isnt visible ANY WHERE, you activate that kit and use it in the race, no one will think you used spray because you just disconnected your bottle!


Somewhere on this board I think I've heard of someone doing this. He had his other bottle mounted in the nose of the car if I remember right. The hidden bottle was the only one that worked if my memory serves me right. Pretty clever if you ask me.

Originally posted by prohunter4
for your info i owned and modded the **** out of 5 mustangs before i bought the z-28.the last one being a 93 cobra with a bottle fed and supercharged,among a big list of other things,351 cleveland.mid to high 9's in this car was a common occurance.dont just assume since i am new to the f-body thing i dont know anything about cars.big mistake junior.i sold my mustang,what was left of it,in 1998 after smacking a divider wall a the strip doin about 120.did not own another fast car until i bought the z in oct. of last year.just thought a little insight as to what kind of person you are talking about might tone down that arrogance a little. So you are at Tyndall? My brother in law is there as well.

Hey Prohunter did you tell the guy you wanted to know all his mods befor the race or did you just assume because you told him yours he would tell you his.The way it sounds to me is you thought you had some easy money,but when things didn't go as planned you found a convenient exscuse not to pay.I've raced alot of people at the track and on the street and i've never had an opponent tell me all the mods on his car.Maybe you shouldn't make bets if your not going to pay up when you loose.

When you street race for $$$ you should always have a mutually trusted third party hold the money. This person has the sole discretion to call the race. There are three possible outcomes, A wins, B wins, or a "no contest". This is the best way to avoid violence or hard feelings. Weapons and street racing don't mix, BTW. They are a "no-no".

Many, many years ago I was often the referee for street races, as I was known to be pretty objective. In this case, it depends on exactly what was said, what the conditions of the race were. But once both parties agree to race, unless there was some specific mutually agreed rule that was broken, the winner gets the money. Break an agreed rule and the "loser" wins and takes the cash.

Rich Krause

Originally posted by Steve Y
He's just your typical Chevy newbie that knows nothing about Fords and assumes they all suck. He probably also thinks nobody can be on this board unless they own a Chevy or bow down to them. Just another narrow minded individual in a sea of them.

Steve,

Your only part right. I actually grew up in a "Family of Fine Cars". I can still remember having the keys in my pocket. Putting three engines in my T-Bird, fixing that damn leak in the front seal of my AOD, changing out the rearend and reinforcing my trailing arm mounts on the body so I dont' rip them off again....Almost like it was yesterday. I used to hate chevy's back then, I thought nothin was better then a Ford, nothing, til I bought a chevy. I was the first in my family to get a damn chevy and everybody, friends and family alike, harrassed the h*ll out of me for it. Until they bought Chevy's too.

Now-a-days I do like my chevys. they treat me good. I admit they put out some sh*t. (corsica, celebrity, citation, the list goes on) to which I am embarrased to be affiliated with, but my chevys have never left me on the side of the road, except when I got in that head-on accident a few years back, but I don't consider that the manufacturer's fault.

Now I am fairly open minded about all the vehicle maufacturers. I would own a dodge as long as it is a diesel, the tranny was freshly rebuild, and the axles had been replaced. I would even own a ford as long as it was a diesel powerstroke truck. I think Ford makes an awesome diesel and I wish my Chevy's never would have lost that Catapillar diesel contract cause their Isuzu diesel sux. I just choose to buy chevy gassers cause thats what I can afford.

Even now, my father still believes in the power of a ford. He still has this 90 F250 4x4 that he will love forever. 90K on the clock and only three engines, a driveshaft, and a butt load of exhaust manifolds (common problem for that model year) later! My POS 95 Chev K1500 with 175K is on the stock everything. eng, tranny, clutch, etc, etc. So I just don't understand why my father loves that F250 truck so much, I mean, all his other vehicles are Cadillacs, suburban, even his Ford bucket-T has a chev 283 in it........maybe I will never understand, but as long as he is happy, I don't care.
Tell you the truth, drive what you want, I really don't care what anybody drives. All I try to do is turn the light on to others of what good luck I have had and seen with my chevys.
There are lemons in every manufacturer, I believe that. I have heard stories of bad chevys, fortunately for me, I have not found one yet, is possible though. Could happen. I mean, even the sun shines on a dog's a$$ every now and again. Just the sun has not been on my dog's ass for a while. ('bout 10 years or so)

My experiment has kept me clean for 10 years now. I say kept me clean cause I only turn the wrenches when I want to, (upgrades) not when I have to. I like that.

To everybody out there, enjoy what you have and run what ya brung!!

T

You lost. You should have paid.

In street racing you always assume the other party has something sneaky.

So I guess you only race people that you know you can beat...what fun is that.

That is why I only race for $20 at a time...no one is going to be a non-paying sore loser over $20. A $100, people might get nasty over.

Originally posted by prohunter4
first thing,i am a civilian that works for the military.second,i am on duty 24-7,part of the job,and lastly i had no idea before i got out of the car that i wasnt gonna pay the dude.sidearm is on me all the time and for your info,not thst i need it but i do have a concealed carry permit

WTF??? I could care less about the gun...I would get my permit and carry a glock if I was home in LA......dropping 10K+ into a civic can make for an easy target.....lots of thieves in LA

Perhaps you meant to send your reply to someone else?

Originally posted by MauriSSio
must have missed that part where he said "lets run all motor". :rolleyes: are you sure you even read the same story? never once does it say anything like that. sounds like your putting words in his mouth to me.

why did you worry about finding out his mods AFTER the race?? i would have not bet anything if I wasnt confident of my mods, especially someone who would not say what they have. he doesnt have to tell your squat, i would have just turned away. looks like your own mistake.:cry:

So by your logic I can say the letters "all I have is the basic IHE" which to most guys is Intake Header Exhaust and run you with Individual throttle bodies, Headwork and a custom built equal length longtube header and full exhaust

Same thing right...IHE :rolleyes:

People say Intake, header, exhaust, gears, pullies.....if they are hiding a 150 shot then the race they locked up was OFF the spray

Now sure you could 'run whatcha brung and just not even say a single mod.....but when both parties and running a honest race to compare future races to.....leaving out the 150 shot part is dickless...end of story....that is if your a man :rolleyes:

Originally posted by prohunter4
well i think it happened sometime when we were telling what we had done to our cars and he failed to mention the laughing gas.you dont think that was cheating?i revealed all my mods in good faith,he should have done the same.the reason he didnt is because he knew that his mustang didnt stand a snowballs chance in hell without the gas.


There's no such thing as cheating. It's none of your damn business what's under his hood. It's your stupid fault for putting up money and not being ready to lose.

I usually agree to run what ya brung. Then after the agreement is made I ask ' Im running nitrous, Would you like mr to disconect it?' 99% of the time they say yes. And I still spray:D

Originally posted by camaro dreamer
I usually agree to run what ya brung. Then after the agreement is made I ask ' Im running nitrous, Would you like mr to disconect it?' 99% of the time they say yes. And I still spray:D

Doesnt say much for integrity now does it?

If you have to cheat to win....why race?

Being a MAN and being a male are two different things.

Men are straight up.....the rest just lie to get by

all you guys saying you would cheat just to win a race have no balls.my grandmother has more than ya'll.continue to do that and one day you will run up on someone who really doesn't play that cheatin' crap and they will pound on your a*# like a bass drum.

I DONT THINK ITS CHEATING AT ALL! IF THE RESULTS WERE THE OTHER WAY AROUND,, I BET ITS A DIFFERENT STORY. I THINK YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR WHATEVER BEFORE YOU ASK SOMEBODY TO RACE...SORRY JUST MY OPINIONS. I DONT THINK WE HAVE TO REVEAL MODS TO THE OTHER PARTY TO RACE, ITS PRIVACY..LOL. OR AT LEAST YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO ESPECIALLY IF YOU WERE THE ONE WHO STEPPED UP AND CHALLENGE THAT DUDE. YOU ARE LUCKY HE DIDNT REPORT YOU TO THE OSI..LOL OR YOUVE BEEN IN TROUBLE..J/P.

IM IN THE AIRFORCE TO MAN,,, SORRY BUT CANT HELP IT TO SPEAK UP.

FINALLY I THINK HE BEAT YOU FAIRLY AND NO CHEATING OCCURED. GO AHEAD AND PAY THAT DUDE WHAT YOU OWE HIM. :D

i'll make this brief and simple-:bs:

Ya I cheat big deal, people get rippedoff all the time.
Money is money, a win is a win as long as they dont know.

Originally posted by CANTONRACER
You lost. You should have paid.

In street racing you always assume the other party has something sneaky.

So I guess you only race people that you know you can beat...what fun is that.

That is why I only race for $20 at a time...no one is going to be a non-paying sore loser over $20. A $100, people might get nasty over.

I will agree. Around me, street racing is street racing. Been beat before and have beaten. I always assume someone has something up there sleeve. Thats the rush of the race. I dont get a rush out of the race if I know I have won the race before it even starts. The Low dollar race applies to me as well. Most I will race for is $50 as it usually keeps the mentally unstables calm.

last reply- i give up.in about 10 days when i get my z back he or whoever better have a 55 gal. drum of n20.if it ain't puttin' 400+ to the back wheels,it stays till it does.

Have a 3rd party hold the money this time. Run him double or nothing till his bottle runs out:D

Same thing happened a couple of weeks ago. Me vs. 98 steeda cobra.

I found out after the race he sprayed a 50 shot on me! But I still won!

"CHEATIN COBRA'S" HaHa

Run what'cha brung. Simply stated; you didn't bring enough.

There is NO steeda cobra, it was a steeda mustang or it was a cobra 2 totally diffrent things

You'd hate my car. People ask about my LT1 which basically looks stock and I say it's just a small block.
If they wanna run then they get 12.X on motor on street tires. A little quicker if the juice is used.

Of course I don't race for money much, more for kicks.

Mike

The guy was probably running it on a manual switch with a backup rpm window. That way if you are losing you give it enough juice to get out in front. Sandbaging deluxe. If you said all motor to all motor I would be pissed. But if you just did a heads up, it would be a pay up.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but I've always had the attitude of everything is fair in a race. You challenged, got sprayed and got beat. Life goes on and pay up next time!
Hell I don't tell anyone what I'm runnin' if I win ...I win..if you beat me ....congrads!

Camaro Dreamer is a funny dude!!:D

no problem.when it comes out of the shop i wont need n2o.

you act like youre gonna have the fastest car in the world..........

Originally posted by MauriSSio
you act like youre gonna have the fastest car in the world..........

Ignorance is bliss, until he gets crushed by a heavily modded car or a stock bike.

The way i see it. You should have paid him the money. Race was locked in, yall ran, you lost. You are the one who even ran your mouth and challanged him to run for money. He may not have had nitrous, he never said he did or popped his hood. mabey he is just faster then you!!!. So your car is a turd or his is a freak. You were on street tires and he was on drag radials. Lots of variables to think about. Its not just buying a low 13 second car and putting stuff on it. Mabey he had some head work and a small cam you culdnt hear. That was real slimey not to pay up.

Originally posted by KamaroL98
The way i see it. You should have paid him the money. Race was locked in, yall ran, you lost. You are the one who even ran your mouth and challanged him to run for money. He may not have had nitrous, he never said he did or popped his hood. mabey he is just faster then you!!!. So your car is a turd or his is a freak. You were on street tires and he was on drag radials. Lots of variables to think about. Its not just buying a low 13 second car and putting stuff on it. Mabey he had some head work and a small cam you culdnt hear. That was real slimey not to pay up.

I fully disagree! The guy with nos was a cheating slimeball. He sharked the LS1 owner.

personally i think theyre both slimeballs. 1 guy supposedly used nitrous (do we have any proof he did?) and the other guy offered to race for money when he knew he had the faster car...............

Originally posted by MauriSSio
personally i think theyre both slimeballs. 1 guy supposedly used nitrous (do we have any proof he did?) and the other guy offered to race for money when he knew he had the faster car...............

You mean thought he had the faster car :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by Steve Y
You mean thought he had the faster car :lol: :lol: :cry: :D

How do you know he sprayed? He might not have been able to go WOT coming off the line, then when he hooled and floored it he went flying past you.

Originally posted by prohunter4
i told him no money till i see under the hood.well to shorten this up he had a friggin 150 shot of juice on it.he got no money and got to leave without me doing him any bodily harm.told him i was going to put the word out on him.and i have.shame he didnt have enough faith in his car to race without cheating.pisses me off.

I imagine if he saw under the hood he knew he sprayed.

Everyone keeps forgetting, we dont know for sure he had nitrous. I had nitrous on my car, and if someome came up to me wanting to run for money, then asked what i had. Of course im going to say 'sure, lets race, i got a stock LS1/Cobra". Its a "stock car with nitrous". :D Dont ask, dont tell. If your unsure wether a car is faster then yours, on nitrous or off then dont race it. I also wouldnt go up to anyome if i had a stock LS1 with only headers and a converter wanting to race for money either...

Hey man, I'm sorry to say but, you punked out. You thought you had a sucker, you got suckered. You should have payed him. Man you were street raceing, everybody but a fool knows sharking is the name of the game on the street. The only way I could think he cheated was if as part of the bet you both told your mods. If that was not the case, you should of paid up. As for the gun, if you flashed the gun, you better use it and quick, 'cause if not your going to get hurt...bad. In the circles I run, people don't take kindly to having a gun stuck in their nose. But like someone else said it had nothing to do with the story, so why bring it up.
Next time race for kicks. We are all tring to do the same thing, make our cars faster and better that when we started, be it a mustang or camaro or import we are all basicly the same.

Originally posted by Shockley35
The only way I could think he cheated was if as part of the bet you both told your mods.

Look back at the first post. They did tell each other the mods and the Cobra guy "conveniently" forgot to mention his little 150 shot. :mad:

How do you know he sprayed? You dont
He could have, but you have no proof he did.

Guess cause we think someone killed someone we should gave them the chair?

We also keep forgetting, the guy with the cobra never said he had nitrous.... Alot of you all keep assumeing he did becaus the LS1 owner accused him of spraying becaus he lost. Thats one of the things we give little 15 year old ricers a hardtime for..:cool:

What happend was, they got to talking some garbage, tempers flared, the guy wiht LS1 wanted to race for money in the heat of the moment, and lost.

He said he saw under the hood. But didn't tell us how he saw the 150 shot but he said he saw under the hood so I think he knew he had nitrous

Its obvious that the kid did spray. Think about this. If you were racing and you had spray and you raced and won but you didnt use the spray and then someone said they werent going to pay you becuase you used the spray would you contest it. Wouldnt you argue with the guy bc you never actually did use the spray and you did win fair and square. I know if that happend to me i would fight with the guy to give me the money bc i had won. If the guy just agreed to not get any money then its obvious he knows he sprayed bc he didnt contest it. I hope everyone can understand this bc i am starting to confuse myself.

Originally posted by ChevyTuffD.A.
Its obvious that the kid did spray. Think about this. If you were racing and you had spray and you raced and won but you didnt use the spray and then someone said they werent going to pay you becuase you used the spray would you contest it. Wouldnt you argue with the guy bc you never actually did use the spray and you did win fair and square. I know if that happend to me i would fight with the guy to give me the money bc i had won. If the guy just agreed to not get any money then its obvious he knows he sprayed bc he didnt contest it. I hope everyone can understand this bc i am starting to confuse myself.

True, if I had spray and didn't use it and walked someone for money that they didn't pay, I would just pull the plug on the spray and race them again, double or nothing.

Originally posted by ChevyTuffD.A.
Its obvious that the kid did spray. Think about this. If you were racing and you had spray and you raced and won but you didnt use the spray and then someone said they werent going to pay you becuase you used the spray would you contest it. Wouldnt you argue with the guy bc you never actually did use the spray and you did win fair and square. I know if that happend to me i would fight with the guy to give me the money bc i had won. If the guy just agreed to not get any money then its obvious he knows he sprayed bc he didnt contest it. I hope everyone can understand this bc i am starting to confuse myself.

Excellent point!

prohunter, do you work in a military base? if so which one? thanks ;)

It just seems to me that the race was still unfair. From reading the very first post i get the impression that both drivers told there mods and were in an agreement. Its kinda like if someone has a z28 or Mustang GT and takes the badges off and quites the exhuast and then runs a v6 for cash (which is dumb but im just using it to show a point) and then tottaly kills the guy takes the money and leaves. Kinda unfair to me.

when prohunter says that he went to go talk to him on the side with his gun on him and told the guy that "no money until he sees under the hood" thats the unfair part, prohunter got defeated and shouldve paid right there and then no questions ask, the cobra guy did not have to show his mods and especially not obligated to show his engine to hunter.

The deal was who ever win the race wins a 100 dollar NOT whoever lost gets to inspect the winners car and if he doesnt like what he see's he wont pay up...THIS IS UNFAIR.

Cobra guy probably laugh at him now since he doesnt live up to his word and lost and got so mad about it and started making excuses.
you LOST you lost dont find something to blame it to because bottom line the results cannot be changed, guess what you still lost! Now is time to tighten up that belt and raced him again this time be prepared and get your Z to its top notch condition before challenging people to race ESPECIALLY if you are not ready to loose. Always be ready for anything ... and think this...no matter how much money, how much mods you do to your car, there is always some one out there that is faster than you, guarantee.

Also, good advice after you loose a race and dont pay up, DO NOT SHOW OFF YOUR WEAPON and try to scare people because you dont want to pay, you might just have it one of this days, becareful. Plenty of crazy dudes out there..BEWARE..

and yeah ChevyTuffD.A. even if they had an agreement (which I did not see anywhere in his post) and prohunter found out that he had NAWS after the race...

AS WHAT THIS THREAD BEEN EXPRESSING THAT HOW DOES PROHUNTER KNOW FOR SURE THAT HE USED IT...IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PROHUNTER IS BEING UNFAIR (1)FOR ASSUMING THAT THE COBRA USED A NAWS JUST TO BEAT HIM. THATS UNFAIR MAN,,LOL (2)HE THINKS NO ONE CAN BEAT HIS CAR EXCEPT IF YOU USE NAWS..LOL...(3)AND NOT PAYING UP HIS DUES FOR BEING SO CONCEITED.....THATS UNFAIR! LOL

THE FINAL ANSWER IS PROHUNTER ASSUMED THAT HE USED HIS NAWS(it dont matter anyways he lost regardless of using it or not) and this boils down to just yeah...again MAKING EXCUSES to not get EMBARRASED or maybe money is tight and was not ready to loose.


PROHUNTER LOOK FOR HIM AND PAY HIM HIS MONEY...LOL

Originally posted by licerio
when prohunter says that he went to go talk to him on the side with his gun on him and told the guy that "no money until he sees under the hood" thats the unfair part, prohunter got defeated and shouldve paid right there and then no questions ask, the cobra guy did not have to show his mods and especially not obligated to show his engine to hunter.

The deal was who ever win the race wins a 100 dollar NOT whoever lost gets to inspect the winners car and if he doesnt like what he see's he wont pay up...THIS IS UNFAIR.

Cobra guy probably laugh at him now since he doesnt live up to his word and lost and got so mad about it and started making excuses.
you LOST you lost dont find something to blame it to because bottom line the results cannot be changed, guess what you still lost! Now is time to tighten up that belt and raced him again this time be prepared and get your Z to its top notch condition before challenging people to race ESPECIALLY if you are not ready to loose. Always be ready for anything ... and think this...no matter how much money, how much mods you do to your car, there is always some one out there that is faster than you, guarantee.

Also, good advice after you loose a race and dont pay up, DO NOT SHOW OFF YOUR WEAPON and try to scare people because you dont want to pay, you might just have it one of this days, becareful. Plenty of crazy dudes out there..BEWARE..

Did you even read the first post? They guy had a gun in his pocket. He never brandished the weapon. The Cobra guy was hiding nos and on purpose lied about his mods to weasel $100 out of Prohunter. I am on Prohunters side on this one.

yeah but whats the point of him telling us he got a weapon if he intend not to show it off? The cobra guy was not hiding his NOS in purpose, the cobra guy did not even challenge him to race, the cobra guy got challenge, the cobra guy won, and the cobra guy didnt get his money...lol. And AGAIN, how do you and prohunter know that he sprayed during the course of the race. It doesnt even matter because like I said no one is obligated to tell what they have done to their ride.

yeah I read the post..lol! From what I understand, the mustang did not lie about his NOS, simply just did not tell him. And in my opinion its okay not to tell people what you got.

if prohunter claim that they have a contract and plan to check the mustangs guys car before paying him, he shoul've ask the cobra guy to show mods and check each other's car before the run and then decide if he wants to race the cobra, not AFTER he get his ass handed to him and get embarassed and start looking for excuse.

PROVE IT THAT HE USE THE NOS ON HIM!!!

THINK ABOUT IT! LOL

I can tell alot of you guys dont really do preplanned street racing. Muchless preplanned or for money. People around here will claim to not have nitrous and actually have it, and race all the time. Everyone knows they likely have it, you dont just go after them unless your car is capable of outrunning theirs wether they have it or not. Its part of the game, to hustle other people out of money. I run for money sometimes, nothing serious but if i ever lsot no matter what the circumstances i would pay up. If prohunter came out to some of the hardcore guys out here running his mouth wanting to run for money, got beat and didnt pay up he he probabily would have gotten a gun in his face before he could pull his out, that or something bad happen to him or his car later, or soemhow lose out later.... I also think him even haveing the weapon is kind of shadey. A 'real' cop, MP, or other special military unit assigned a gun isnt going to flash the fact online he carries a weapon, the further stated he would use it on someone if an altercation occured in an illegal street race he just particapted in. SOmething tells me he jsut has a gun and will get himself into trouble with it sooner or later. Id rather just leave that alone, let him hang himself with that mess.

Im glad our dependable Law enforcement officers are running street races... jackass

and BTW, its your fault for not looking under his hood, ide have beat ur a** to the ground if u didnt pay up no matter what i didnt tell you before the race, i would let you look under the hood, but i wouldnt have said a thing about my mods...and the race would have been at the track...

LOL..

Originally posted by licerio
yeah but whats the point of him telling us he got a weapon if he intend not to show it off? The cobra guy was not hiding his NOS in purpose, the cobra guy did not even challenge him to race, the cobra guy got challenge, the cobra guy won, and the cobra guy didnt get his money...lol. And AGAIN, how do you and prohunter know that he sprayed during the course of the race. It doesnt even matter because like I said no one is obligated to tell what they have done to their ride.

yeah I read the post..lol! From what I understand, the mustang did not lie about his NOS, simply just did not tell him. And in my opinion its okay not to tell people what you got.

if prohunter claim that they have a contract and plan to check the mustangs guys car before paying him, he shoul've ask the cobra guy to show mods and check each other's car before the run and then decide if he wants to race the cobra, not AFTER he get his ass handed to him and get embarassed and start looking for excuse.

PROVE IT THAT HE USE THE NOS ON HIM!!!

THINK ABOUT IT! LOL

According to the first post, the Cobra guy was talking smack first. I can't prove the nos thing, I don't know either of these guys.

Talkin smack not equal to showing all mods before race!
Talkin smack not equal to hiding his NOS
Talkin smack not equal to a race challenge
Talkin smack does not make the mustang guy in a wrong. Everybody talks smack some way or another.

He can talk smack all he want to ... and especially NOW..LOL
but that doesnt mean that prohunter have to challenge him to race and guarantee a win. He learned his lesson but at the same time in DENIAL!

BOTTOM LINE ---> Prohunter needs to find him and give him his money! LOL

ACCEPT THAT PROHUNTER OWES HIM MONEY NOW! LOL

Originally posted by licerio
Talkin smack not equal to showing all mods before race!
Talkin smack not equal to hiding his NOS
Talkin smack not equal to a race challenge
Talkin smack does not make the mustang guy in a wrong. Everybody talks smack some way or another.

He can talk smack all he want to ... and especially NOW..LOL
but that doesnt mean that prohunter have to challenge him to race and guarantee a win. He learned his lesson but at the same time in DENIAL!

BOTTOM LINE ---> Prohunter needs to find him and give him his money! LOL

ACCEPT THAT PROHUNTER OWES HIM MONEY NOW! LOL

This arguement will continue forever. We should all just agree to disagree.

if you were the mustang guy and did not use your NOS and beat prohunter and afterwards he has a gun bulging out of his side and ask you to show your hood. Then just because he saw the NOS lines there, he refuses to pay you. What would you think?

But like I said plenty of time (my opinion only) EVEN IF HE USED THE NOS,,,it doesnt matter because prohunter did not specifically lay the rules down that there will be no NOS used during the race.

HE ONLY ASSUMED THAT MUSTANG GUY DONT HAVE NOS..Even though the mustang is KIND enough to tell him his few mods. I bet that the mustang guy forgot to mention every little things he had done.

if thats the case, prohunter needs to lay down the rules, inspect cars before race,,,IF THATS HOW HE WANTS TO RACE. which I know people dont show engines to people...

I'm tired explaining my side...IM DONE! LOL

okay I agree! LOL

Originally posted by licerio

HE ONLY ASSUMED THAT MUSTANG GUY DONT HAVE NOS..

No. The Mustang guy lied by omission about not having nos.

:confused: Why would you want to equate omission to a lie? You simple dont make sense when you said that.

Just because I did not tell you that doesnt mean I lied to you.

Example 1:

Mustang guy: No, I dont have a NOS!

results: mustang guy have NOS regardless if he used it or not

HE LIED!

Example 2:

Mustang guy: I have exhaust, gears and headers.

results: turned out the guy have a NOS.

he did not lie, he just did not tell it.

man, bottom line is prohunter did not:

1. LAY DOWN THE RULE (NO NOS ALLOWED)
2. CHECK DUDE'S CAR PRIOR TO THE RACE
3. PREPARED FOR A POTENTIAL LOSS, NOW HE IS GOING CRAZY!


HOW MANY TIMES DO I GOT TO EXPLAIN THIS. LET ME KNOW WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

DAYM MAN YOU GOT ME MAKING EXAMPLES AND S***! LOL

Originally posted by Steve Y
No. The Mustang guy lied by omission about not having nos.

Prohunter did not know if he have NOS or not because Mustang guy did not tell him therefore he assumed that he have no NOS!

did you see where the assumption is comming from?

but if the mustang guy told prohunter specifically that he doesnot have NOS then he lied and prohunter did not make an assssumption and made an ass impression.!

GET IT!

That is called lying by omission. What if I wanted to race a stock LS1 for $10,000 cash. I know he is stock. I tell him I have pulleys, gears, and a K&N. But I really also have a procharged stroker. I am lying by omission. That is a sneaky way to "steal" $10,000 from someone and a good way to get an ass kicking! This is exactly the kind of thing that happened to Prohunter.

Lying through Omission, It really amounts to leaving out key details in "true" statements that causes people to make false assumptions. You can say several completely truthful statements, omitting key facts and allow people to form an idea of what you were saying that is untrue.

YES YOU ARE CORRECT!

But the fact that prohunter think that his car is unbeatable is crazy assumptions!

as far as your example goes, if the LS1 dont layed down the rules or check each cars before the race then he is bounded to what ever the results might be. for 10 G's you better make sure what you running with!...lol well maybe not prohunter..lol cause he thinks he can beat anybody...lol

The mustang guy did not say :

hey camaro the only thing i have is this and that...lets race for a 100. its more like hey mustang my car is the faster car in the world lets race for a c note.

The mustang guy did not challenge him to race...he simply accepted the challenge. Prohunter even challenge him even before him mention few of his mods. Without prohunters ignorant and cockiness, this whole mess can be prevented!!

Yes you can get beat by lying, but you can also get your assss beat by not paying!!Especially you are the one who challenge people and not pay.

Thats like going to play ball with somebody for cash but you didnt bring money with you. thatw what exactly happend here, prohunter challenged him without no doubt that he's going to win...wrong wrong wrong!! dont never do that...be always prepared!

man you are right this can go on forever, you got different opinion and I got mine.

its NITROUS!

Originally posted by camaro dreamer
its NITROUS!

I knew somebody was going to bitch about that! Nos is just a short version of nitrous to a lot of people. Nos is a brand name of nitrous with the blue bottle. I, and many others have been using "nos" long before the gay and the furious!

Not biching just pointing it out incase you 2 didnt know / actually called it that all the time

Originally posted by camaro dreamer
Not biching just pointing it out incase you 2 didnt know / actually called it that all the time

In case we didn't know better? You call it that all the time? Then why bring it up?

Originally posted by camaro dreamer
its NITROUS!


its NITROUS OXIDE or NITROGEN (I) OXIDE!

camarodreamer you spell "biching wrong"...its BITCHING! LOL

LOL...LOL

Actually you don't have to write (I) in it.

It's NAAAWWWWWSS, Bro!!! :rolleyes: :D

damn licerio, you need to lay off the jolt cola.. i just sat here and read this post from start to finish...

i agree with prohunter to a point on this.. i would be pissed, but i would have prolly paid... at least then it would burn into my noodle to make sure everything is crystal clear ahead of time..

but licerio, man, you have been spouting of with some slanderous stuff... basically, from what you have written, you make prohunter out to be some guy that thinks he has an unbeatable car and was waving his pistol at some innocent guy that was racing to feed his kids.. thats not what i got at all... if you want to sound credible, try being more objective....

Originally posted by prohunter4
.40 cal glock in the other pocket

:lol:

Originally posted by prohunter4
dont get the wrong idea i work for afosi[air force investigations] and was on my way home.the sidearm is part of my gear.i am not a retard,just trying to have a little fun and got screwed by a real retard.

Should you be doing illegal things if you work for OSI?! :lol:

Your just an AF cop arent you?! j/k

i have a 99 a-4 with your usual bolt ons,auburn 3.73 gear and a yank 3500 stall converter.

he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers.

The key word is ALL

The guy didnt disclose the squezze and is therefore a cheating low life guy with no faith in his driving ability.

If your gonna run someone all motor.....dont use juice

For everyone that says "everyone knows the other guy runs juice even if he doesnt say"

A heads up race doesnt require that much negotiation....dead stop....flagger drops...go...run whatcha brung and hope you brung enough

But saying all motor and then squezzing is GAY....its the lowest form of racer there is and he is lucky he has lived this long cause some guys would pummel him for lying and cheating....but to some of you lying and cheating seem okay :rolleyes: thats a damn shame

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
i have a 99 a-4 with your usual bolt ons,auburn 3.73 gear and a yank 3500 stall converter.

he says all he has is gears,exhaust and headers.

The key word is ALL

The guy didnt disclose the squezze and is therefore a cheating low life guy with no faith in his driving ability.

If your gonna run someone all motor.....dont use juice

For everyone that says "everyone knows the other guy runs juice even if he doesnt say"

A heads up race doesnt require that much negotiation....dead stop....flagger drops...go...run whatcha brung and hope you brung enough

But saying all motor and then squezzing is GAY....its the lowest form of racer there is and he is lucky he has lived this long cause some guys would pummel him for lying and cheating....but to some of you lying and cheating seem okay :rolleyes: thats a damn shame

:bow: :bow: :bow: My thoughts exactly!

did you ever agree to an all motor race??...it sounds like you just assumed he didnt have n2o, and assumed he wasnt going to use it if he did, did you ask him? if you didnt ask him, it sounds fair to me

Originally posted by squirrelmaster
damn licerio, you need to lay off the jolt cola.. i just sat here and read this post from start to finish...

i agree with prohunter to a point on this.. i would be pissed, but i would have prolly paid... at least then it would burn into my noodle to make sure everything is crystal clear ahead of time..

but licerio, man, you have been spouting of with some slanderous stuff... basically, from what you have written, you make prohunter out to be some guy that thinks he has an unbeatable car and was waving his pistol at some innocent guy that was racing to feed his kids.. thats not what i got at all... if you want to sound credible, try being more objective....

I agree with you man, thats exactly what my reaction would be,, probably mad but pay him regardless and move on. But what pisses me off is why did he bother checking the mustang's guy after the race..oh why...because he lost! thats what my point is,,he thinks that he's car is so fast that no bolt on cars can beat it...all i'm saying is maybe he needs to wake up and maybe think that oh, what ever I do to this car, there is always one person out there faster than me!! whats the deal..secondly WHAT THE HELL is the point telling us that he got a fire arm with him...FOR WHAT!???

No need for that especially if he claims that he work for OSI. I used to be in the military air force that is, and OSI are pretty much respected...dresses suits all day type of guy!

[i]basically, from what you have written, you make prohunter out to be some guy that thinks he has an unbeatable car and was waving his pistol at some innocent guy that was racing to feed his kids..
LOL

:D

Originally posted by licerio
But what pisses me off is why did he bother checking the mustang's guy after the race

Because a Cobra with the mods he mentioned would get waxed by his LS1!

waxed,is overdoing it.With those mods the cobra would have been running real close with the LS1

Originally posted by MauriSSio
waxed,is overdoing it.With those mods the cobra would have been running real close with the LS1

Your right. But the Cobra certainly would not have jumped 3-4 cars ahead unless the LS1 was sick or the driver sucked.