a4 ws6 vs m6 ss

whats up everyone, just have 1 important question for u Ls1 owners. my buddy has a 99 a4 ws6 wit a catback borla exhaust with a borla y pipe, and a k&n filtercharger, other than that its all stock, some guy we know is sayin his stock 02 ss m6 wit just a tornado air?? will beat him without a problem. so as u all can see my question is: what car will win? the guy with the ss says he runs consistant 13.20's on street tires, and im sure my buddy is somewhere in the 13's any imput would be appreciated thanks

The WS6 will work him in the 1/4 mile

It'd be close if the guy in the ss can drive, but more than likely your buddy would win.

For future reference, the Tornado is a complete joke.

The WS6 will win.

If they where both stock , I would have to say the SS . But Given the WS6 has borla and a few other minor's , Im also going with the WS6 .

get the ws6 a stal converter ;)

/tek.

:lol: Tornado :lol:

The WS6 should win

before a converter, y not a lid? 60 bux on ebay :thumb:

Originally posted by SpecForceZ28
For future reference, the Tornado is a complete joke.

The WS6 will win. :rolleyes: Haven't you read the box, it's worth 30hp.:p


A race would be close but the WS6 definately has the advantage.

Originally posted by 00blkw68fb
whats up everyone, just have 1 important question for u Ls1 owners. my buddy has a 99 a4 ws6 wit a catback borla exhaust with a borla y pipe, and a k&n filtercharger, other than that its all stock, some guy we know is sayin his stock 02 ss m6 wit just a tornado air?? will beat him without a problem. so as u all can see my question is: what car will win? the guy with the ss says he runs consistant 13.20's on street tires, and im sure my buddy is somewhere in the 13's any imput would be appreciated thanks

It's a driver's race. Eventhough the ws6 has a borla catback and y-pipe, the 01-02s came with the LS6 intake so that eats up some of the ws6s advantage. Throw into account the SS is a manual and both cars should be putting down about the same rwhp/rwtq. It will come down to who gets a better launch.

Here's the story in reverse (my 02 A4 SS vs. an 00 M6 WS6):
SS had SLP LID/K&N,!spare,!jack
stockish WS6 exact mods unknown
_____02 A4 SS________00 M6 WS6
R/T___0.616__________0.336
60'___2.321__________2.356
330'__6.004__________6.131
1/8___8.995__________9.112
MPH___83.10__________82.86
1000__11.577________11.644
1/4___13.771_________13.788
MPH___102.77________105.47
He redlighted and got a 3/4 car jump. I made up 1/2 a car up to the 1/8. After that he stopped my pull and finished a 1/4 car ahead.

Stock for stock ... and A4 will usually beat the M6 in the 1/4 mile.

The exhaust work done to the WS6 will make up for the lack of the LS6 intake that the SS has. Plus, that SS has this piece of sheet metal stuck in his air intake blocking airflow. Tell your bud to trash the tornado .... it's slowing him down.

My money is on the WS6.

Probably the ws6.

It all depends. If you race from a roll...the M6 all the way. Not many A4's have pulled me from a roll. When they do they're modded beyond the catback stage and air lid.

From a stop, it would be close. While A4's (w/a stock converter) usually take me off line, I'll pull them by at least a car length by the end of the track. It depends totally on how well that guy can shift. That Tornado probably will slow him down a bit though and a K&N is NOT a performance mod.

Best bet and only true way to settle this. Run them and see. Everything else is just speculation.

Sounds like this will be a drivers race. The few mods the WS6 has should even out the lack of LS6 intake and extra hp loss in the drivetrain. Since computers are expert shifters I'd put my money on the WS6 in a 1/4 mile run. I just wouldn't put a lot of money on it :D

Tell your friend with the WS6 to get that car a nice 3500 stall TC, tranny cooler and drag radials. That's the ultimate M6 equalizer and will make this race a lot less interesting (for the SS anyway). But it should be very close right now if neither blow the launch really bad. Should be a good run so post results if they ever run em.

people think they're real hot shots with their manuals but the fact is you can't beat an auto, that bad boy will already be going 90 and in thrid before the ss driver could even count to 3 let alone manualy shift to it.

As foolish as the guy may be with the Tornado, I still think the '02 is gonna be quicker.

Even if the exhaust cancels out the LS6 intake (and I don't quite think it will), the M6 is gonna have the advantage over an A4.

Not by much. But SS wins, slowly going away.

Originally posted by WhoBetter?
people think they're real hot shots with their manuals but the fact is you can't beat an auto, that bad boy will already be going 90 and in thrid before the ss driver could even count to 3 let alone manualy shift to it.

:bs: You have no clue what you are talking about , I have owned both . And I can tell you the 6 speeds walks allover Autos
-They put down more power
-weigh less
- have 2 extra ratio's to choose from , making the gearing closer .
It is only logical ..Unless a M6 driver is a crappy M6 driver , the auto will have its ass handed to it !
My auto LT1 was WAY slower then my 6 speed w/more miles .
I have seen auto LT's that wouldnt break a 14.7 and LS1's a 14.0
When almost any stick shift LS1 will hit a low 13-12 and a stick LT1 is capable of a 13-low 14 . Facts are a stick is faster and I have never had a stock auto beat my stock 6 . My buddy mike has a auto LT1 that runs a 14.0 all day long . From a 5mph roll , or a stop , or on the highway ...I demolished his car . I had a M6 w/3:23's . The only good thing is the Auto dont make mistakes , but an auto car is not faster .

Originally posted by poolshark
As foolish as the guy may be with the Tornado, I still think the '02 is gonna be quicker.

Even if the exhaust cancels out the LS6 intake (and I don't quite think it will), the M6 is gonna have the advantage over an A4.

Not by much. But SS wins, slowly going away.
You said it man , right on the money . On the highway , is where the Autos really get the whoopin .

Originally posted by WhoBetter?
people think they're real hot shots with their manuals but the fact is you can't beat an auto, that bad boy will already be going 90 and in thrid before the ss driver could even count to 3 let alone manualy shift to it.

Apparently he didn't read my post or doesn't believe it.

In my 00 SS M6 stock no SLP options, I ran a 02 SS A4 w/the SLP catback plus being an 02 has the LS6 intake. He owned me off the line by 2-3 lengths. By the end of the track I was over a length in front of him and still pulling. I've done the same to 2 TA A4's both w/ cat backs and possibly lids (didn't get to see under hoods), but thats right my car is slower since its a manual. ;)

Just because YOU can't drive a manual very well doesn't mean the rest of us are as incompetent.

Originally posted by Greed4Speed
Apparently he didn't read my post or doesn't believe it.

In my 00 SS M6 stock no SLP options, I ran a 02 SS A4 w/the SLP catback plus being an 02 has the LS6 intake. He owned me off the line by 2-3 lengths. By the end of the track I was over a length in front of him and still pulling. I've done the same to 2 TA A4's both w/ cat backs and possibly lids (didn't get to see under hoods), but thats right my car is slower since its a manual. ;)

W/traction , the stick will take them off the line too . You can ride/dump the clutch to get the " stall "effect . I havent had them take me off the line either " at least not stock " M6 is way superior in everyway exept one , Auto's dont make mistakes . :) I hated my auto . Hate is a big word but I mean it , I hated it .

Originally posted by robb4964
:bs: You have no clue what you are talking about , I have owned both . And I can tell you the 6 speeds walks allover Autos
-They put down more power
-weigh less
- have 2 extra ratio's to choose from , making the gearing closer .
It is only logical ..Unless a M6 driver is a crappy M6 driver , the auto will have its ass handed to it !
My auto LT1 was WAY slower then my 6 speed w/more miles .
I have seen auto LT's that wouldnt break a 14.7 and LS1's a 14.0
When almost any stick shift LS1 will hit a low 13-12 and a stick LT1 is capable of a 13-low 14 . Facts are a stick is faster and I have never had a stock auto beat my stock 6 . My buddy mike has a auto LT1 that runs a 14.0 all day long . From a 5mph roll , or a stop , or on the highway ...I demolished his car . I had a M6 w/3:23's . The only good thing is the Auto dont make mistakes , but an auto car is not faster .

We all know that whobetter made a rediculous, unprofound and false statement however I disagree with your comments as well.

A well drivin M6 can beat a well drivin auto but we are only talking about .03 better on average in the 1/4 mile. While that is a significant advantage I'd hardly consider it handing anyone thier a$$. I think you slightly over stated yourself in the heat of anger.

This is how big flame fests of manuals vs autos start every time. It's such BS too and most of you guys know it. You own the fun factor i'll grant you that. You own the better gears and gas mileage. I'll grant you that. You own the autocross. I'll grant you that. But when we put a big stall, high STR torque converter on our autos and add slicks for traction we own the 1/4 mile. That is when the autos have been known to beat even the best of M6 drivers.

Gears are nice but torque converters are better.

Originally posted by darrens99formul
We all know that whobetter made a rediculous, unprofound and false statement however I disagree with your comments as well.

A well drivin M6 can beat a well drivin auto but we are only talking about .03 better on average in the 1/4 mile. While that is a significant advantage I'd hardly consider it handing anyone thier a$$. I think you slightly over stated yourself in the heat of anger.

This is how big flame fests of manuals vs autos start every time. It's such BS too and most of you guys know it. You own the fun factor i'll grant you that. You own the better gears and gas mileage. I'll grant you that. You own the autocross. I'll grant you that. But when we put a big stall, high STR torque converter on our autos and add slicks for traction we own the 1/4 mile. That is when the autos have been known to beat even the best of M6 drivers.

Gears are nice but torque converters are better. I didnt state anything out of heat of anger . I had an auto and My stick made it feel slow . This is the truth . I hated it . Im just telling the truth . Simple as that . And They have been known to cut better then .5 off the quarter having a stick . Deny it all you want pal , Im just telling you from what I have experienced myself . My friend w/the auto , that I have beat many times , is doing a siz speed conversion on his car . There has to be a reason for it .

Originally posted by robb4964
I didnt state anything out of heat of anger . I had an auto and My stick made it feel slow . This is the truth . I hated it . Im just telling the truth . Simple as that . And They have been known to cut better then .5 off the quarter having a stick . Deny it all you want pal , Im just telling you from what I have experienced myself . My friend w/the auto , that I have beat many times , is doing a siz speed conversion on his car . There has to be a reason for it .

Better then .5 is overstating it. Deny it I will because I don't see stock vs stock manuals winning by that big of a margin on average. The M6 should win but not by leaps and bounds. My M6 counterparts have about 10 RWHP on me and 3.42 gears vs my 3.23's. That's not exactly like them having a 100 shot of N20 over me.

There have also been M6 guys who switched over to autos (usually A3's though). There must be a reason for that. That reason would probably be a Yank PT4400 but hey it's still an auto and with that verter one that will likely smoke some M6's and other A4's alike.

If you check out bracket racing at all you'll see it's ruled by autos. Big stalled autos with little street manners of course but autos none the less. There most assuredly is a reason for that.

Originally posted by WhoBetter?
people think they're real hot shots with their manuals but the fact is you can't beat an auto, that bad boy will already be going 90 and in thrid before the ss driver could even count to 3 let alone manualy shift to it.

The really sad part of this is you just know this fool wrote this so a couple of folks like me and robb would get into a troll inspired flame fest for his personal enjoyment.

I'll agree. I haven't seen any half second advantages from an M6. I have seen an A4 pick up .6 from an aftermarket converter alone. Once they have that higher stall its a different animal.

I'm not saying I've never seen a .5 second advantage because I have seen a few M6's that ran 13.1 to an autos 13.6 so I know it has happened. But my point is that it's not the "norm". When you put a average M6 car with a average M6 driver Vs a average A4 car with a average A4 driver (not that theres much to it other then perfecting launching) the results are usually within .3 with the manual winning most of the time.

I'm giving you guys lots of props here. Better gears, better MPG, more fun, powerband at will, ect.

I love manuals. I want one in the Vette i'll get someday. But for a f-body that drag races a lot the auto is better suited. We are easier on the rear ends and can launch like a mofo with the right stall/tire combo. But manuals are much more fun to cruise around town in and don't have to worry about "looseness" of torque converters in street drivin cars.

F-Bodies = :bow: regardless of which tranny you have.

Originally posted by darrens99formul
I'm not saying I've never seen a .5 second advantage because I have seen a few M6's that ran 13.1 to an autos 13.6 so I know it has happened. But my point is that it's not the "norm". When you put a average M6 car with a average M6 driver Vs a average A4 car with a average A4 driver (not that theres much to it other then perfecting launching) the results are usually within .3 with the manual winning most of the time.

I'm giving you guys lots of props here. Better gears, better MPG, more fun, powerband at will, ect.

I love manuals. I want one in the Vette i'll get someday. But for a f-body that drag races a lot the auto is better suited. We are easier on the rear ends and can launch like a mofo with the right stall/tire combo. But manuals are much more fun to cruise around town in and don't have to worry about "looseness" of torque converters in street drivin cars.

F-Bodies = :bow: regardless of which tranny you have. I agree , if I was bracket racing I would want a Auto , for consistancy .
If you have a stick , You better know how to drive it , or youll lose every time . I have seen guys bring vipers to edgewater and run high 13's in 6 speeds ...Shifting horribly , terrible launches . I now one guy who sold his auto for a stick . And he couldnt drive for crap . lol ...To each his own :D

My next car will hopefully be an m-6 but for now the a-4 is fun and even better at the strip....after a stall looking for 12.5's all day long with less than $1000 in mods:D