Mustang SVT GT350?

This from Brads' Mustang site:

I was at the Chicago Auto Show last Friday. During the presentation of the Mustang a few new facts came out....I also talked with him after. Remember this info is coming from the guy up on stage so take it as you will......
-- GT : 0-60 in 5.2 sec. and 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec. Top speed between 140-150.
-- the GT will start at $25,000 and top out around $28,000 full loaded.
-- The Cobra name is gone to the show car. The next SVT edition will be a GT350 in 2006.
-- As of now, the stripes will not be avalible on the GT. But he said a lot of people have been asking about them so maybe they will become an option. The GT350 will have the stripes but they will be wider apart than they are on the silver GT.
-- The 18" wheels should be avalible at launch. Ford said late availiblity because they weren't sure if they were going with that design. But what you see is what you are getting.

The were people in the area with Palm Pilots taking info....she said I should see Mustang info in the mail about 6 weeks from now. Maybe I'll get some freebies (shirts, posters, etc.) like I did when the Cougar came out.

Does the 350 in GT350 = 350HP?

The performance of the GT sounds about what I expected.

So this means that there will be no more Mustang Cobra?

Yeah, the 0-60 time might be a little low but the other numbers sound about right....top speed is impressive for what looks on the surface like a pretty un-aerodynamic design.

i must admit, 'mustang' and 'cobra' did sound pretty strange together....they just should've called it the SVT Mustang...GT350, 450, 500, etc., sound fine

Originally posted by Z284ever
This from Brads' Mustang site:

-- GT : 0-60 in 5.2 sec. and 1/4 mile in 13.9 sec. Top speed between 140-150.

Hehehehhe...

And yet another generation of Mustang GT's is cannon fodder for the Z28...

... the last generation Z28, that is.

Originally posted by Z28x
Does the 350 in GT350 = 350HP?

Don't know...but I'd say probably not.

When the '06 Cobra was going to be called Cobra...J Mays, John Coletti and others were dropping hints, like a ton'o bricks to your head, that it would have some version of the 500 horse Ford GT motor.

If the GT350 IS the Cobra replacement...it will get a version of the Ford GT motor. But there are whispers of a GT500 floating around.

If a Mach1 returns...and there are lots of indications that it will....that one is slated for around 350 hp.

At any rate, I can't see SVT doing a Mustang with less than 400 hp anymore.

GT350 = 350HP 5.4L 3v
GT500 = 500HP supercharged 5.4L DOHC

just my guesses

i also read this car will have a governor on it (145 mph i think?) is that due to high-speed instability or lift due to less-than-ideal aero??

First, IF the GT350 replaces the Cobra, it'll have 400+ hp.

Second, I'd bet the farm that the Mustang GT will do much better than 13.9 sec in the quarter.

It will have quite a bit more torque down low than the Mach 1 and weight the same. We don't know the gearing but the rear end will have a 3.55:1 same as the Mach. Peak hp and torque are almost identical to the Mach 1.

The Mach 1 runs low 13's. Expect the GT to run mid 13's or better IMHO.

Remember Ford said that their goal was for the GT to be as quick as the F-bodies.

Races should be close. It'll be fun.

Originally posted by Z28x
GT350 = 350HP 5.4L 3v
GT500 = 500HP supercharged 5.4L DOHC

just my guesses

I just don't expect to see the words Mustang, SVT and 350 hp in the same sentence anymore.

The genie is already out of the bottle. No SVT Mustang will EVER have less than 390hp (rated, ;) ), again.

Originally posted by Z284ever
I just don't expect to see the words Mustang, SVT and 350 hp in the same sentence anymore.

The genie is already out of the bottle. No SVT Mustang will EVER have less than 390hp (rated, ;) ), again.
never say never. if the rumors are correct that there are two versions, GT350 and GT500, then its not all that unlikely.

then again, the 350 could mean a bump in displacement. there was that rumor of the 5.7L V10...

Originally posted by morb|d
never say never. if the rumors are correct that there are two versions, GT350 and GT500, then its not all that unlikely.



If it happens, it won't be by choice. It would require some sort of doomsday scenerio.....like $4 per gallon gas, or much higher CAFE.

Originally posted by Z284ever
If it happens, it won't be by choice. It would require some sort of doomsday scenerio.....like $4 per gallon gas, or much higher CAFE.
i don't know about chicagoland but here in LA gas is already $2/gallon as we speak. that's for 87.

I was reading this and remembered, isn't Ford suppose to be making a Boss along with the Mach and Bullit they already made? I remember that the Boss was suppose to come out with the new body.

Originally posted by dan05gtowner
The Mach 1 runs low 13's. Expect the GT to run mid 13's or better IMHO.


If they really are dynoing 270-280 at the wheels like ProudPony posted a while back, with the added weight of the LS chassis, low 13's are going to be pretty hard to obtain. We shall see.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
If they really are dynoing 270-280 at the wheels like ProudPony posted a while back, with the added weight of the LS chassis, low 13's are going to be pretty hard to obtain. We shall see.

Mostly true. but the Mach weighs about the same (4,450lbs vs the GT's 4,425). Don't remember the Mach's dyno's but it was somewhere in that vacinity (270-280rwhp). And the mach's 4 valve is said to be peakier, an issue that the 3v Sohc should somewhat address. And the 5spd Mach's really haven't had much trouble knocking down low 13's. Now the auto, that's a different story and a high 13 sec car.

I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

As for the Cobra or Cobra replacement, Ford has already said that it will have "substantially more than the current 390". So i'd say a minimum of 450 horses.

Originally posted by PacerX
Hehehehhe...

And yet another generation of Mustang GT's is cannon fodder for the Z28...

... the last generation Z28, that is.

Yeah, Welcome to 12 years ago..........I had to say it. Those are just a tick quicker than a 93' F-body except for the top speed. I am still wondering what the drag coefficient is for the new car.

If the GT350 is the Cobra replacement, then what is the significance of the "350"? Is the only reason because it is an old name and Ford didn't want to mess with history? Maybe there won't be a Mach1 car and instead it will be called GT350 and the Cobra will be called GT500 and those numbers will relate to the HP numbers.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
If they really are dynoing 270-280 at the wheels like ProudPony posted a while back, with the added weight of the LS chassis, low 13's are going to be pretty hard to obtain. We shall see.

Yes - they are. These are common numbers for "production cars" that were delivered to Roush, Saleen, and the like for development of aftemarket have been clocking 275 hp on average... remember, they are BRAND NEW - as in not broken in or settled either.
BUT, I have yet to see/hear anything on the torque figures.
It could be that the VVT and 3V heads are capable of getting more low-end torque, which when combined with better gears in the T5 or T56 and a 3.55 rear axle will give very respectable times.

I think low 13's for a Mustang GT is gonna be the exception, not the rule. But mid 13's shouldn't be that difficult for a car that's broken in and driven properly.

Also remember, we have a new rear-end set-up in the '05 that is likely to handle the launch a little better than the quadra-link setup too.

I'd guess that the mildest mods (like exhaust, gears, or even a chip tune) could yield a solid 13-second car with impecable street manners. Not a rocket, but not bad at all either. Time will tell.


on another note...


Originally posted by PacerX
Hehehehhe...
And yet another generation of Mustang GT's is cannon fodder for the Z28...
... the last generation Z28, that is.
:rolleyes:
I hope this was intended as "light-hearted humor"...


Whether intended as such or not, it still bothers me that some people just don't get it.:no:
So the base V8's of 2005 are not the fastest cars on the streets... big deal.

Wanna run a stock "last generation Z28" against a stock '71 Boss 351 or a stock '69 Z28 or '70 SS or a stock '71 Road Runner or a stock 440 'cuda or a stock GTX or a stock '69 GTO? All good 13-14 second-capable cars AND 30 years older than a coveted "last generation Z28, that is." Big deal?

I guess what bothers me the most about comments like that about the GT is that folks in this forum are the "crem de la crem" of car guys - knowing more "car stuff" than most by far, yet so many still cannot grasp the fact that the fastest car does not always win the race.

Ford risked a lot by holding back on the performance levels of the GT and LX in the late 1980's, but it worked. Ford had the parts - on the shelf - to make the 5.0 faster than any F-bod from GM direct... the FRPP catalog for years has had GT40 upper and lower intakes, aluminum ported heads, X303 and B303 cams, long-tube headers, stroker cranks, and PILES of other parts that all have FORD part numbers on them and are made in Ford plants. All they had to do was pass the testing and put them on the cars themselves - BUT THAT WAS NOT THE PLAN.

The plan is to offer a good base platform at a cheap price, and allow the DIY'er to build their car to the level and type of performance they wanted to - with factory supported technology. It has been a WHOPPING success for 15 years now, to the tune of +150k cars/year in sales, despite a sluggish - no make that a recessed - economy burdened with high fuel prices, inflation, and seemingly endless job-losses. Why change that formula? The cars are selling like bubble gum.

To me, THAT is winning the race. The Mustang is not just "still hanging around", but it is hugely succesful, on many platforms from a basic economy grocery-getter car to screaming SVT Cobras (that WILL outperform the last generation f-car effortlessly - in stock trim).

So go ahead - pick on the new GT. It's not a rocket. It's not meant to be one. But I'd be very careful about picking fights with them when they get here - you just might be surprised by one sometime soon.
And for good advise, I'd stay FAR away from the rest of the pony crowd... when only the base V8 Mustang is below 400hp - it's the ONLY one I'd jump on in a stock F-car. JMO.

As for me, I'm still sitting here with my fingers crossed that the F5 OFFERS A BASE V8 UNIT.
And if they do offer it, I hope to <insert deity name here>'s name that it is not FASTER than the top-dog Mustang of 2005.:rolleyes:

RiceEating...

Check your PM's.

Originally posted by PacerX
RiceEating...

Check your PM's.

Thanks A LOT!!:D:cool: . I'll email you later on in the day.

If the GT350 is the Cobra replacement, then what is the significance of the "350"? Is the only reason because it is an old name and Ford didn't want to mess with history? Maybe there won't be a Mach1 car and instead it will be called GT350 and the Cobra will be called GT500 and those numbers will relate to the HP numbers.

I think so. Ford had said that production of Mach's will be limited to two years despite them being a nice addition to the current lineup. It plays a nice middle man for the low end GT and top end Cobra. Assuming the Mach name gets axed (and it probably will) a GT350 (with 350 horses) could be the potential replacement for the Mach.

My question is.....will it be called "Ford Mustang GT350" and "SVT GT500" respectively.....or will the Shelby name be thrown into the mix??

Any chance we'll see the rumored 350hp version by 2005 model year. Too early??

Originally posted by Z28x
Does the 350 in GT350 = 350HP?

The original GT350 had 306 horsepower. The longstanding rumor is that when Shelby was originally working on the car and needed a name he asked one of his other engineers how far he though it was to the building across the street - it was "about 350 feet" so they named the car "GT350" it was just an arbitrary name which didn't have anything to do with the power of the car.

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL


If the GT350 is the Cobra replacement, then what is the significance of the "350"? Is the only reason because it is an old name and Ford didn't want to mess with history?


GT350 is an arbitrary name that (according to folklore), denotes the number of feet between Shelby's race shop and production facility.

Ford contracted with Shelby to essentially turn the Mustang into a race car....a car that could compete with Corvette in SCCA road racing. The GT350 had extensive lightening, suspension and powertrain revisions....and even an optional Paxton supercharger. The GT350R ("R" for Race)....took this even further.

The Mustang GT350 name, really has quite a racing pedigree. If the Cobra name will move on to the two seater.....then, I think that this is a worthy Cobra model replacement for the Mustang.

The GT500 is also an arbitrary number that was chosen because it was "more" than 350.

Although the GT500's were fancier and had bigger engines that the GT350.....in my book.....it's hard to compete with the GT350 and GT350R when it comes to "cool".

i would never buy a gt....when the gt500 comes out i will be all over it if there isnt a fith gen camaro around. I doubt that the camaro will be ne faster then the stang by that time. The new camaro if & when it comes out, will prob look like an impala, and have a 4 dr variant, prob have a fwd option. The SS will prob not have ne where near the power of the stang due to the corvette. So my money is on the stang for power and performance. Corvette just slows us camaro guys down while it makes the stang guys strive to beat it.:(

Originally posted by LT-14me
Corvette just slows us camaro guys down while it makes the stang guys strive to beat it.:(

Every Mustang I tore a new a$$hole in my SS in the summer of 2001 (back when I was stock) didn't seem to care much about how much Corvette was slowing me down.

They were worried about how much Ford was slowing them down.

The onus is on Ford, GM has the initiative. If I were a Ford GT engineer, I would be very concerned about what GM can do with a $60,000 Corvette.

Or an $80,000 Corvette.

Or a $100,000 Corvette.

Originally posted by ProudPony
Ford risked a lot by holding back on the performance levels of the GT and LX in the late 1980's, but it worked. Ford had the parts - on the shelf - to make the 5.0 faster than any F-bod from GM direct... the FRPP catalog for years has had GT40 upper and lower intakes, aluminum ported heads, X303 and B303 cams, long-tube headers, stroker cranks, and PILES of other parts that all have FORD part numbers on them and are made in Ford plants. All they had to do was pass the testing and put them on the cars themselves - BUT THAT WAS NOT THE PLAN.

The plan is to offer a good base platform at a cheap price, and allow the DIY'er to build their car to the level and type of performance they wanted to - with factory supported technology. It has been a WHOPPING success for 15 years now, to the tune of +150k cars/year in sales, despite a sluggish - no make that a recessed - economy burdened with high fuel prices, inflation, and seemingly endless job-losses. Why change that formula? The cars are selling like bubble gum.

To me, THAT is winning the race. The Mustang is not just "still hanging around", but it is hugely succesful, on many platforms from a basic economy grocery-getter car to screaming SVT Cobras (that WILL outperform the last generation f-car effortlessly - in stock trim).

So go ahead - pick on the new GT. It's not a rocket. It's not meant to be one. But I'd be very careful about picking fights with them when they get here - you just might be surprised by one sometime soon.
And for good advise, I'd stay FAR away from the rest of the pony crowd... when only the base V8 Mustang is below 400hp - it's the ONLY one I'd jump on in a stock F-car. JMO.

As for me, I'm still sitting here with my fingers crossed that the F5 OFFERS A BASE V8 UNIT.
And if they do offer it, I hope to <insert deity name here>'s name that it is not FASTER than the top-dog Mustang of 2005.:rolleyes:

Well said. :thumb:
You just can not over emphasize Ford's aftermarket commitment & the fact that a few small tweeks could completely change the nature of the Mustang (Ford even had engine codes freely available, something that was darn near top secret on 3rd gens).

The point is that simply being the quickest & fastest isn't going to cut it, and never did. It's the ability to personalize you car with with performance parts that get's the commitment.

Just like in the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s, and the Tuner scene from the 90s to date.

Mustang has a greater aftermarket and a company that encourages this, and it's still here.

Best of all, you don't have to pay (or is it, overpay?) SLP to do it for you. ;)

~270 RWHP not broken in = Mach1
~3300lbs = Mach1

Mach1 13.2 @ 106 STOCK

The '05 Mustang GT will be just as quick and fast as the last LS1 Z28. Ford has achieved performance parity with the Camaro (dead Camaro). It took a lot longer considering the Ford engineers were working with a compromised motor intended for FWD apps. But they have arrived.

Denial ain't just a river in Africa.

Originally posted by hp_nut
~270 RWHP not broken in = Mach1
~3300lbs = Mach1

Mach1 13.2 @ 106 STOCK

The '05 Mustang GT will be just as quick and fast as the last LS1 Z28. Ford has achieved performance parity with the Camaro (dead Camaro). It took a lot longer considering the Ford engineers were working with a compromised motor intended for FWD apps. But they have arrived.

Denial ain't just a river in Africa.

What denial are you talking about? Sounds like your exaggerated predictions of the new GT might not pan out and you are getting a little worried you might have to eat your words.

Also I can say LS1 12.8 @ 109 STOCK

Originally posted by hp_nut

The '05 Mustang GT will be just as quick and fast as the last LS1 Z28.

We shall see....

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
What denial are you talking about? Sounds like your exaggerated predictions of the new GT might not pan out and you are getting a little worried you might have to eat your words.

Also I can say LS1 12.8 @ 109 STOCK


I can say that too.

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=9507

But I chose to post the average times instead of the best.

Sorry, but the LS1 Fbod is not a high 12 car either.

It is generally accepted the 3V head flows as well as the 4V and the VVT is going to give a better torque curve than the current 4V, which again is already putting out LS1 performance in the Mach1.

Simply put the 3V and 4V 4.6 mod motor has finally achieved parity with the LS1.

The GT will be at least as fast as the Mach1 and Z28.

The Mustang GT will be at least as fast as the current Mach1.

About the same weight, about the same horsepower, LOTS more low end torque......it's not rocket science.

And it's looking more likely that the GT350 will replace the Cobra. Scratch any thought of a 350hp motor for it.

Exactly.

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
The performance of the GT sounds about what I expected.

So this means that there will be no more Mustang Cobra?

Cobra is on hold until '06, at least last I heard. Ford is probably going to change their minds a dozen times before they decide what to do..

Originally posted by PacerX
Hehehehhe...

And yet another generation of Mustang GT's is cannon fodder for the Z28...

... the last generation Z28, that is.

Considering that the current car runs these numbers and the new car is only about 100 lb heavier, I doubt it will be this slow. Since no one has actually tested one yet they are only guessing at the numbers.

Originally posted by morb|d
never say never. if the rumors are correct that there are two versions, GT350 and GT500, then its not all that unlikely.

then again, the 350 could mean a bump in displacement. there was that rumor of the 5.7L V10...

I could see the 350 hp version becoming the next Mach I (which would be a logical progression) if they keep the Mach name (which they might not....). It looks to be interesting whatever they decide to do.

Originally posted by ProudPony
Yes - they are. These are common numbers for "production cars" that were delivered to Roush, Saleen, and the like for development of aftemarket have been clocking 275 hp on average... remember, they are BRAND NEW - as in not broken in or settled either.
BUT, I have yet to see/hear anything on the torque figures.
It could be that the VVT and 3V heads are capable of getting more low-end torque, which when combined with better gears in the T5 or T56 and a 3.55 rear axle will give very respectable times.

I think low 13's for a Mustang GT is gonna be the exception, not the rule. But mid 13's shouldn't be that difficult for a car that's broken in and driven properly.

Also remember, we have a new rear-end set-up in the '05 that is likely to handle the launch a little better than the quadra-link setup too.

I'd guess that the mildest mods (like exhaust, gears, or even a chip tune) could yield a solid 13-second car with impecable street manners. Not a rocket, but not bad at all either. Time will tell.


on another note...



:rolleyes:
I hope this was intended as "light-hearted humor"...


Whether intended as such or not, it still bothers me that some people just don't get it.:no:
So the base V8's of 2005 are not the fastest cars on the streets... big deal.

Wanna run a stock "last generation Z28" against a stock '71 Boss 351 or a stock '69 Z28 or '70 SS or a stock '71 Road Runner or a stock 440 'cuda or a stock GTX or a stock '69 GTO? All good 13-14 second-capable cars AND 30 years older than a coveted "last generation Z28, that is." Big deal?

I guess what bothers me the most about comments like that about the GT is that folks in this forum are the "crem de la crem" of car guys - knowing more "car stuff" than most by far, yet so many still cannot grasp the fact that the fastest car does not always win the race.

Ford risked a lot by holding back on the performance levels of the GT and LX in the late 1980's, but it worked. Ford had the parts - on the shelf - to make the 5.0 faster than any F-bod from GM direct... the FRPP catalog for years has had GT40 upper and lower intakes, aluminum ported heads, X303 and B303 cams, long-tube headers, stroker cranks, and PILES of other parts that all have FORD part numbers on them and are made in Ford plants. All they had to do was pass the testing and put them on the cars themselves - BUT THAT WAS NOT THE PLAN.

The plan is to offer a good base platform at a cheap price, and allow the DIY'er to build their car to the level and type of performance they wanted to - with factory supported technology. It has been a WHOPPING success for 15 years now, to the tune of +150k cars/year in sales, despite a sluggish - no make that a recessed - economy burdened with high fuel prices, inflation, and seemingly endless job-losses. Why change that formula? The cars are selling like bubble gum.

To me, THAT is winning the race. The Mustang is not just "still hanging around", but it is hugely succesful, on many platforms from a basic economy grocery-getter car to screaming SVT Cobras (that WILL outperform the last generation f-car effortlessly - in stock trim).

So go ahead - pick on the new GT. It's not a rocket. It's not meant to be one. But I'd be very careful about picking fights with them when they get here - you just might be surprised by one sometime soon.
And for good advise, I'd stay FAR away from the rest of the pony crowd... when only the base V8 Mustang is below 400hp - it's the ONLY one I'd jump on in a stock F-car. JMO.

As for me, I'm still sitting here with my fingers crossed that the F5 OFFERS A BASE V8 UNIT.
And if they do offer it, I hope to <insert deity name here>'s name that it is not FASTER than the top-dog Mustang of 2005.:rolleyes:

:bow:

Sorta related.....if it hasn't been posted yet.....tell the 4V bye-bye.

That is all.

Originally posted by scott9050
I could see the 350 hp version becoming the next Mach I (which would be a logical progression) if they keep the Mach name (which they might not....). It looks to be interesting whatever they decide to do.

There were rumors that Mach 1 would have a re-tuned 350 hp version of the '03/'04 Cobra motor...but the story now is.... that motor is history after '04.

Any guesses on what might generate 350 horses now?

3v 5.4?

Originally posted by Bob Cosby
Sorta related.....if it hasn't been posted yet.....tell the 4V bye-bye.

That is all.

If you don't mind me asking, how is it you know that??

The 4.6L 3V with VCT has the same air flow as the 4V does. Add on top of that the 3V with VCT give more low end torque. I've been saying the 4V was going away for a while now...

Originally posted by PaperTarget
The 4.6L 3V with VCT has the same air flow as the 4V does. Add on top of that the 3V with VCT give more low end torque. I've been saying the 4V was going away for a while now...


Yup. And word on the Ford sites is the next Mach1 is a 3V VCT 5.4, 5spd, solid axle.

Holy SH*T!

So the lineup is looking to round out like.

GT - 3V VCT 4.6 325hp low 13s@~106-107
Mach1 - 3V VCT 5.4 380hp mid-high 12s@~112
Cobra - 3V VCT/4V SC 5.4 500hp high 11s@~120

It never made sense to me to continue the 4V N/A motor in the Mustang line since the 3V was so much better. A 4V with VCT might be an improvement, but how much? What kind of tune/gas would a 4V with VCT require to get 50 HP more than the 3V? I'm sure Ford has answered those questions and found the 4V not that much better (in 4.6L terms). Now a 5.4L would be a different ball game.

Yeah, I think the Mach1 (or the Mustang model that takes that slot), will have a 3v 5.4, tuned for lots of low-end torque.

I can't wait to see the final state of tune for the SVT Mustang's motor. Compared to the Ford GT....will it have 3v or 4v? Dry sump or no dry sump? 500 hp or no 500hp?...or more than 500hp.