Took Out A 5.0 In The Family Car Last Night...

I was in my Alty last night and a friend of mine was driving his '89 HB 5.0. We were on the way to this spot to hang with some other people. So we're driving down the interstate and he calls me. We had some friendly smack talking going on earlier, so he's like, you wanna stop right here and make a run?? It was quarter to 1a.m. and there wasn't a soul on the road, so I agree.

We come to a stop, line up door to door, and he gives me the pop. I take off with moderate wheelspin and get about 2-3 cars out the gate while he is backpedling/feathering the clutch. I shift 2nd still about 2 cars out. Then he pulls 3rd and starts coming for me strong. I shift 3rd about the same time he snags 4th and now his nose is at my rear door. We kept in it until about 130. He stayed right atmy rear door until about 110-115, when I started to pull slowly away. When we let out I was about 1-1.5 cars out in front.

My Altima is a bone stock '04 3.5.

His modds were cai, shorty headers, x-pipe w/ no cats, 2chamber flowmasters, 4.10s, and draglites.


The only thing that could have made me smile harder would have been if I had had some Food Lion bags in the back seat...:D


Jon

Good run! Those newer Altimas and Maximas are no joke. What is Food Lion?

It's a grocery chain in the south east.

I know a too many people that work on the one over here by me, its sad:o :cool:

~J

Hey good run, my friend has a 86 gt with flowmaster muffler and his car is good in 3rd but is slow off the line. My friends 95 v6 3.8 with catback and cai takes him by about 4 or so cars in the 1/4. But when they raced from 70 the gt beat us by about a car to 130. And ever since my buddy with the gt got to be driven in my car he has started looking for a z28:D .

04 Altima is what the guy who used to own the Camaro I bought to replace it. It looks like a nice car. I ran in to his Dad the other day and he has more tickets with that Altima then he did with the Camaro.

How many hours did it take you to get up to 100 in that thing?
hahah jk ;) good kill

good kill.

those nissan motors are strong runners. my buddy has a 3.5 Alty and is gonna up the HP to just over 300 or so with typical boltons and tuning... nice sleeper it will be...

Originally posted by BiGGinZ
Hey good run, my friend has a 86 gt with flowmaster muffler and his car is good in 3rd but is slow off the line. My friends 95 v6 3.8 with catback and cai takes him by about 4 or so cars in the 1/4. But when they raced from 70 the gt beat us by about a car to 130. And ever since my buddy with the gt got to be driven in my car he has started looking for a z28:D .

86's are a sort of an oddball anyway with boat anchor heads and intake and no valve reliefs. They are quite a bit slower stock than the 87-93 5.0's.

Good kill in the alti. Those things are bad arse for the class they are in. They own the competition.

Thanks fellas!

Wanna hear something really hillarious? I'm a member over at StangNet too, and I was going to post this over in the 5.0 forum. I scroll down a little before I go to post a new thread, and....what do ya know, The title read- Taken Down By A New Altima 3.5!!! LOL! It wasn't the same guy I ran, but still, very funny. So I didn't post my thread, I figured I'd leave that alone since it had turned into a huge argument over there.



Jon

Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
good kill.

those nissan motors are strong runners. my buddy has a 3.5 Alty and is gonna up the HP to just over 300 or so with typical boltons and tuning... nice sleeper it will be...



Yes sir, I've done a little checking here and there on basic bolt-ons, and it's very possible to get 300+ flywheel HP out of one of these things.

They make CAI, headers, of road y-pipe, and full cat back. All dynos I have seen have showed roughly the following- CAI- 8-10hp to the wheels, Headers- 26-28hp to the wheels, Y-pipe- 15-17hp to the wheels, Cat-Back- 20-25hp to the wheels.

These motors are pretty restricted from the factory...



Jon

Originally posted by COMNBYU
Yes sir, I've done a little checking here and there on basic bolt-ons, and it's very possible to get 300+ flywheel HP out of one of these things.

They make CAI, headers, of road y-pipe, and full cat back. All dynos I have seen have showed roughly the following- CAI- 8-10hp to the wheels, Headers- 26-28hp to the wheels, Y-pipe- 15-17hp to the wheels, Cat-Back- 20-25hp to the wheels.

These motors are pretty restricted from the factory...



Jon

75 rwhp from full exhaust and a cold air? :bs:

Originally posted by Steve Y
75 rwhp from full exhaust and a cold air? :bs:



Actually, it's 69-80whp, from ALL of the above mentioned.

Three things, first, the headers estimate is not unbelievable at all. Any set of headers over stock manifolds is going to help out alot. Second, the y-pipe eliminates two of the cats, is larger, and is mandrel bent. With that in mind, the estimated hp doesn't sound that off. The stock exhaust consists of one literally HUGE mufler down the center section off the car, and two out back. Eliminating the one very large muffler and putting some high flow mufflers out back, combined with larger diameter piping all around will definately help things out. I'll admit that the exhaust estimate seems a little high, I would think maybe more like 15-20, but whatever. Also, keep in mind FWD cars don't lose as much to the drivetrain as RWD.

Lastly, I don't really care. Those were just rough #s of dyno sheets I had seen on various aftermarket sellers websites. Realistic or not, it's not that important. I was mainly just agreeing with HEAVYCHEVYSS.


Jon

Originally posted by COMNBYU
Actually, it's 69-80whp, from ALL of the above mentioned.

Three things, first, the headers estimate is not unbelievable at all. Any set of headers over stock manifolds is going to help out alot. Second, the y-pipe eliminates two of the cats, is larger, and is mandrel bent. With that in mind, the estimated hp doesn't sound that off. The stock exhaust consists of one literally HUGE mufler down the center section off the car, and two out back. Eliminating the one very large muffler and putting some high flow mufflers out back, combined with larger diameter piping all around will definately help things out. I'll admit that the exhaust estimate seems a little high, I would think maybe more like 15-20, but whatever. Also, keep in mind FWD cars don't lose as much to the drivetrain as RWD.

Lastly, I don't really care. Those were just rough #s of dyno sheets I had seen on various aftermarket sellers websites. Realistic or not, it's not that important. I was mainly just agreeing with HEAVYCHEVYSS.


Jon

Full offroad exhaust and cai does about 27 rwhp for my car. It does what 40ish rwhp on a stock LT1 or LS1? No way is the Nissan going to make 69+ whp more with those mods. Most of the drivetrain loss has already been accounted for when the Nissan was stock.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Full offroad exhaust and cai does about 27 rwhp for my car. It does what 40ish rwhp on a stock LT1 or LS1? No way is the Nissan going to make 69+ whp more with those mods. Most of the drivetrain loss has already been accounted for when the Nissan was stock.



Regardless of WHP, I feel pretty sure that the 3.5 would be capable of what I was agreeing with HEAVYSS on, it would only take 55 more flywheel hp to get 300. I think with all of the above mentioned, it would be very possible to come close to, or exceed, that goal.



Jon

Originally posted by COMNBYU
Regardless of WHP, I feel pretty sure that the 3.5 would be capable of what I was agreeing with HEAVYSS on, it would only take 55 more flywheel hp to get 300. I think with all of the above mentioned, it would be very possible to come close to, or exceed, that goal.



Jon

With those mods that car should put down fairly close to 300 flywheel horsepower.

Good kill and Im glad we finally got a kill posted without bashing the Fords. I respect the fact that you outran the 5.0 and also the way you presented the thread. :bow:

Those new Altimas and especially the Maximas are really awesome performers , but half the price tag is for luxury.
I would really prefer an LS1 (low end of pricetag now) or 03 Cobra(on the higher end) because the luxury doesent mean that much to me.

Originally posted by Steve Y
With those mods that car should put down fairly close to 300 flywheel horsepower.

COMNBYU - I didn't know the exhaust upgrades yielded that much but it can be true, I don't doubt that ! Match that with an agressive ECU tune and CAI and I can definately see a serious power increase at what you mentioned.

Steve - You can't compare a this exhaust upgrade to your mustang or an LT-1 cause they are 3 totally different setups. The Nissan cars are all about clean air and efficiency or fuel economy! So therefore, the import manufacturers buld great strong motors and then choke them down to pass emissions with flying colors. Don't be arguing something that you don't know for sure.

When I said my buddy was bumping his power to around 300, that was an estimated WHP number! He would probably be able to hang with a moderately modded Evo or stock LS-1 from a roll !!

Heavy

Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
COMNBYU - I didn't know the exhaust upgrades yielded that much but it can be true, I don't doubt that ! Match that with an agressive ECU tune and CAI and I can definately see a serious power increase at what you mentioned.

Steve - You can't compare a this exhaust upgrade to your mustang or an LT-1 cause they are 3 totally different setups. The Nissan cars are all about clean air and efficiency or fuel economy! So therefore, the import manufacturers buld great strong motors and then choke them down to pass emissions with flying colors. Don't be arguing something that you don't know for sure.

When I said my buddy was bumping his power to around 300, that was an estimated WHP number! He would probably be able to hang with a moderately modded Evo or stock LS-1 from a roll !!

Heavy

The 350z motor is very similar to the Altima motor except it probably has a less restrictive exhaust. The 350z puts down about 235 rwhp. I seriously doubt that Altima with full exhaust, cai and tuning, is going to put down anywhere near 300 whp. Let's see some dyno tests and that will clear the air. I will look for some. If I was to bet on this I would say it would not come close to that amount of power with those mods.

Originally posted by Steve Y
The 350z motor is very similar to the Altima motor except it probably has a less restrictive exhaust. The 350z puts down about 235 rwhp. I seriously doubt that Altima with full exhaust, cai and tuning, is going to put down anywhere near 300 whp. Let's see some dyno tests and that will clear the air. I will look for some. If I was to bet on this I would say it would not come close to that amount of power with those mods.

I am done trying to educate you. Think what you want.

So what are these new Altimas running?

That stang in good running condition should get easy low 14's, maybe high 13's.

Just curious.

Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
I am done trying to educate you. Think what you want.

I will, until somebody dynos one, with these mods and it surpasses 300 whp. I'm pretty certain it won't even come close.

Originally posted by CANTONRACER
So what are these new Altimas running?

That stang in good running condition should get easy low 14's, maybe high 13's.

Just curious.



As stated earlier in thread, the best I'VE seen on the net was a 14.2 @ 95 w/ a 2.3 60. The norm I think is around mid/high 14s.

A couple of things, first, my buddy spun more than I did I'm sure, and that 2 cars or so off the line helped me out alot. Next, 5.0s in STOCK form don't have really good top end. Combine that with the 4.10s he had and my guess is he prolly ran out on the top end (remember, we ran to 130, well past what a 5.0 would trap in the 1/4). I did stay that he made a strong pull in 3rd gear, and basically caught up with me. I was still out front, but he was right at my rear door. But by then we were coming up on 100mph. Shortly after 100 I started pulling slowly away. The 3.5s do have pretty good top end for what they are.

In an ideal run at a track with the 5.0 on a tire, it wouldn't be much of a race. He would get out so much off the line that I'd be playing catch up the whole time. He would prolly put 2-3 cars on me at a dragstrip under ineal conditions.



Jon

why are you talking about "top end"?do you mean horsepower?usually when two cars race,the car that pulls has more horsepower, "top end" doenst mean anything.

so you got all this info from claims made by the manufacturers? If thats the case,maybe we should all go out and buy electric superchargers!!!. I'm not sure if 300 flywheel HP will be an easytask with that engine MUCH less 300 front wheel HP.If youre really tryin t educate us,youd use MUCH better information instead of "the engines really corked up", how about some head flow numbers,bore/stroke?, Rod ratios, cam specs all that jazz, EDUCATE US!

Originally posted by MauriSSio
why are you talking about "top end"?do you mean horsepower?usually when two cars race,the car that pulls has more horsepower, "top end" doenst mean anything.



Sure top end means something. EX- A stock LS1 vette and a stock LS1 f-body might be really close in the 1/4, or even in the f-bodies favor, BUT keep on racing past the 1/4 and the vette will be out front "up top" garanteed. And it's not JUST horsepower, it's the way the cars are built and what the cars are set up to do.

My buddies 5.0 was set up to drag race. With the motor in mostly stock form, the 4.10s he has out back are going to limit his "top end". Normally you usually hear about people talking about a cars "top end" in a run from a roll (or at least I have).

As for the second post, I'm going to assume you're talking to HEAVYCHEVYSS. I never claimed to "educate" anyone. I only said that I believe 300 flywheel hp is possible to obtain with the earlier mentioned mods.



Jon

the reason the corvette will eventually pull away would be due to better drag co. NOT top end.Your buddies 5.0 runs out of gearing. When you talk about "topend" are you reffering to gearing?and the other comment wasnt directed towards you.

Originally posted by MauriSSio
the reason the corvette will eventually pull away would be due to better drag co. NOT top end.Your buddies 5.0 runs out of gearing. When you talk about "topend" are you reffering to gearing?and the other comment wasnt directed towards you.



Do you do this every time someone mentions the phrase "top end"??? Look, top end is a real notion and consists of more than just one thing. Gear ratios, trannies, hp, co. drag, weight, etc. ALL play a role.

The reason a vette would be out front is because it was designed to not only accelerate good, but handle and reach a good top speed. All of the above mentioned are all a little different in a vette as opposed to an f-body.

You said, and I quote, "usually when two cars race,the car that pulls has more horsepower, "top end" doenst mean anything."

That is incorrect.



Jon

Originally posted by MauriSSio
so you got all this info from claims made by the manufacturers? If thats the case,maybe we should all go out and buy electric superchargers!!!. I'm not sure if 300 flywheel HP will be an easytask with that engine MUCH less 300 front wheel HP.If youre really tryin t educate us,youd use MUCH better information instead of "the engines really corked up", how about some head flow numbers,bore/stroke?, Rod ratios, cam specs all that jazz, EDUCATE US!

Ok, smart guy (:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), tell me what rod ratios, bore/stroke, etc have to do with "bolt-ons" ??? Your attempt at making my previous words seem wrong is pittiful. :death: :death:

To install bolt-ons you usually don't have to do a rebuild or reblue-print an engine. The exhaust is a direct bolt on. The aftermarket intake and CAI are a little more like a R/R job but is still considered a bolt on.

I don't care if you 2 "haters" don't believe what the Altys are capable of. I hope you pull up next to one someday at the track or whereever and he beats your 13 second rides. :eek: :eek:

Heavy !

Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
Ok, smart guy (:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ), tell me what rod ratios, bore/stroke, etc have to do with "bolt-ons" ??? Your attempt at making my previous words seem wrong is pittiful. :death: :death:

To install bolt-ons you usually don't have to do a rebuild or reblue-print an engine. The exhaust is a direct bolt on. The aftermarket intake and CAI are a little more like a R/R job but is still considered a bolt on.

I don't care if you 2 "haters" don't believe what the Altys are capable of. I hope you pull up next to one someday at the track or whereever and he beats your 13 second rides. :eek: :eek:

Heavy !

Are you talking about me? I am not a hater. I just hate bs. Prove that the damn thing puts out over 300 whp with exhaust, cai and tuning or STFU!

well,if youd post some factual information maybe your bowl of **** story about choked up altimas would be easier to swallow. Maybe if you gave some headflow numbers/cam specs and the other info,wed be able to at least get a good estimate at what the engine is capable of and how choked up it might be.you provide nothing,but an opinion really,post some hard facts give up the info,EDUCATE us.

As for the "top end" argument,people use that term WAY too loosely, and mainly seems like a RICER term. Every time an LT1 owner posts "i was dead even with an LS1 then he started pulling on me pretty bad,damn those LS1's have TOP END!" it makes me cringe,the main reason the LS1 pulls is cuz it has more HP plain an simple,not because "it was built for high speed" or cuz it revs higher.

P.S- I could give two ****s about getting smoked,if its an 86'Civic Si or an 03 Cobra it dont matter,if they can beat me more props to them. If an Altima beats me who cares,all its gonna take him is a 150 shot or so maybe more,if hes willing to take the risks then more power to him LOL.

That warm weather must be effecting your heads out there!

Steve, don't tell me to STFU ! you seem to be very smart !


:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Originally posted by HeavyChevySS
That warm weather must be effecting your heads out there!

Steve, don't tell me to STFU ! you seem to be very smart !


:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

What warm weather? The high was about 45 today. Either put up or shut up about the Altima putting out over 300 whp with exhaust, cai and tuning. Why would I be embarrassed? You are the one posting very far fetched claims and not backing it up.

On the Altima forum I believe these cars are putting out around 250 fwhp with full exhaust and cai. I drive one and they are surprisingly quick for an inexpensive family car. However, I would hate to drive one with those mods. I'd think it would be a little too loud. Also, I think you lose the cats with the y-pipe.

Originally posted by BriansZ
On the Altima forum I believe these cars are putting out around 250 fwhp with full exhaust and cai.

Now that makes sense.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Now that makes sense.

That does make sense. No chance of a N/A engine gaining that much HP with just exaust and CAI.

lol , nice kill man :)