What engine would you want in a 5th gen Camaro?

Well?

LS2 or LS6 or LS7. Although LS2 is most likely what you're gonna see come game time.

Either that or a 1UZFE DOHC 32v VVT-i 4.0L V8.:D:p

Ls1, Ls2, Big Block, it does not matter as long as it came with
and Strong independent rear.

Thx,
Claude

1. Ls-2 in the z-28
2. 502 in a SS bring back the big block cars

Realistically: LS2 (which is what I voted for)
Fantasy: twin-turbo 680 cubic inch big block. :D

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
Gezundtheit.


Gesundheit?:p

How 'bout a 2JZ-GTE?:D

572/572. Please.:)

LS2 or whatever it is that is the base motor in a Corvette around 2007...

Sorry all u LS1 & LS2 fans but f@ck that. Put a 3.8 turbo in it. Then when u pull up next to some punk a$$ in his 2004 Cobra thinkin he's gonna trash your 3rd gen you make him eat sh!t as u leave the line like he's in reverse. SWISHHH!:D

who voted for a turbo 4! :no: they have to have a V8, it's american history...though a turbo I6 wouldnt be a bad idea in the 6 cylinder model or an option for the 6 cylinder version

I picked LS2, it is the best mix of performance vs. cost

Originally posted by nj87ttype
Sorry all u LS1 & LS2 fans but f@ck that. Put a 3.8 turbo in it. Then when u pull up next to some punk a$$ in his 2004 Cobra thinkin he's gonna trash your 3rd gen you make him eat sh!t as u leave the line like he's in reverse. SWISHHH!:D

Not sure what you are basing this assumption on. I haven't seen a production 3.8 turbo that puts out the Cobra's 420 hp and roughly 400 lbs/ft of torque (that's actual, not the underrated advertized amount).

The GNX (the top dog of turbo 3.8s & what the Turbo TA's based on) made 300 hp 300 torque (again actual, not underrated hp) with ceramic vanes. Impressive, but not up to the blown Cobra's cubic inch and cylinder count advantage (or even a run-of-the-mill LS1 for that matter).

So, unless you are taliking about putting that turbo 3.8 in an Aveo, you aren't going to make any blown Cobra eat anything but your lunch.

SWISHHH indeed. :lol: :lol:

A big block V8. I'd be real disappointed to see some lame-ass alunimum LS1 variant under the hood of the next Fbody. It deserves better.

Originally posted by Dan Oldham
A big block V8. I'd be real disappointed to see some lame-ass alunimum LS1 variant under the hood of the next Fbody. It deserves better.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Gawd. There isn't going to be a big block in the Corvette, let alone the Camaro. :rolleyes: With the power and fuel milage small blocks get today, there's almost no point in going huge anyway.

LS1- It should be out of mainstream production by 2008, in other words "DEAD"

LS6- see above.

Turbo 4 banger- who ever voted for this should be banned from this site. I say no more. The Solstice is a sweet car but it should not share a motor with the Camaro

Turbo inline 6- I think you may see packaging issues with a motor like this. I’m not sure how long these are, but I believe they were design to fit in a large truck/SUV engine compartment.

Big Block V8- Well it might be cool, but its not realistic.

SC 3800 II- Well from what I understand there is a new line of 60 degree V6 motors (sort of the same architecture as the 3.4L) about to start replacing the old 3.8L. I’m not against a blown V6 in the Camaro, but I doubt we'll see one. Not a huge demand for this. A super charger would only drive the price up on the base car. We don’t need that. We may see dealerships installing factory backed super chargers though. Don’t say this should be the mid line up motor. That should be a 5.3L or a detuned LS2.

SC V8- Maybe in the top of the line Camaro. But again I doubt it. If you’ve noticed GM make plenty of power in their top of the line NA small blocks. We have a better chance of seeing an NA LS7 from the next Z06. However I think the best we will see is an un-detuned base Vette motor (roughly 400+ hp).

Northstar- No, too expensive and I doubt Caddy would ever give this up to the lowly Camaro.

Other’s? I can’t think of anything specifically.

I expect the LS2 to be our main V8; most likely two variations of it. Both NA.
I also expect an NA variant of the new 60 degree V6 to be in the base Camaro.

Originally posted by stars1010


Big Block V8- Well it might be cool, but its not realistic.



Actually I take this back somewhat. Let’s see how DOD plays out in the coming years. Someone said above the Vette doesn’t even have a Big Block; well if DOD can save enough gas mileage we may very soon. This is highly unlikely we will see a DOD big block in the Camaro when it returns but who knows what we might see in 7 or 8 years from now. Maybe Gm could actually make a case for this.

Originally posted by stars1010
Actually I take this back somewhat. Let’s see how DOD plays out in the coming years. Someone said above the Vette doesn’t even have a Big Block; well if DOD can save enough gas mileage we may very soon. This is highly unlikely we will see a DOD big block in the Camaro when it returns but who knows what we might see in 7 or 8 years from now. Maybe Gm could actually make a case for this.
I heard somewhere they were scrapping DOD for the Vette because you could hear that the engine was running on 4 cylinders.

you don't need a space wasting (heavier) big block to go fast.
All it would do is take up lots of space making it harder to work on.

6.0 LS2 is pretty big

Being realistic, I voted for LS2, because LS7 wasn't a choice. :)
And because that's pretty logical for what's actually gonna happen.

The GNX (the top dog of turbo 3.8s & what the Turbo TA's based on) made 300 hp 300 torque (again actual, not underrated hp) with ceramic vanes. Impressive, but not up to the blown Cobra's cubic inch and cylinder count advantage (or even a run-of-the-mill LS1 for that matter).

So, unless you are taliking about putting that turbo 3.8 in an Aveo, you aren't going to make any blown Cobra eat anything but your lunch.

SWISHHH indeed. :lol: :lol: [/B][/QUOTE]

Well I think everyone that read that (except you maybe) knew that I did not mean a "stock" 3.8 litre turbo engine. That would be no match against a 2004 Cobra, thats just common sense. I'm talking about a 3.8 with some minor work against the cobra. I dont know if you know much about turbo motors but it does'nt take a lot to put them in the 11's & 12's.

Originally posted by nj87ttype


Well I think everyone that read that (except you maybe) knew that I did not mean a "stock" 3.8 litre turbo engine. That would be no match against a 2004 Cobra, thats just common sense. I'm talking about a 3.8 with some minor work against the cobra. I dont know if you know much about turbo motors but it does'nt take a lot to put them in the 11's & 12's.


SHHHHH!!!!!!! What's wrong with you!!!!!! Don't you know that Mustang guys are completely unaware that they can mod their cars.

Holy Smokes! If those Cobra guys only knew that an exhaust, pully and computer reflash would be worth 100 horsepower on their Cobras...we'd be in trouble.

You see, if we all keep this secret.....

We can mod our cars...but the Mustang guys will never be the wiser.;)

I hope that you haven't given anything away by your post.:eek:

I voted Turbo 6....I just like bulletproof, easily moddable engines that you can push through insane amounts of boost...If turbo 8 was a choice, I would've voted for that

The LS2 is probably the most likely choice, the Camaro just HAVE TO HAVE that classic V8 RUMBLE to be complete, something about a healthy V8 revving through a mean exhaust that just gives me chills...ooooohhhh!..:eek: :D :bow:

it should be a whole new engine. if one generation can have both lt1's and ls1's, then shouldnt a next gen f-body get a entirely new, better block?

Originally posted by Z284ever
SHHHHH!!!!!!! What's wrong with you!!!!!! Don't you know that Mustang guys are completely unaware that they can mod their cars.

Holy Smokes! If those Cobra guys only knew that an exhaust, pully and computer reflash would be worth 100 horsepower on their Cobras...we'd be in trouble.

You see, if we all keep this secret.....

We can mod our cars...but the Mustang guys will never be the wiser.;)

I hope that you haven't given anything away by your post.:eek:

Wow you are sooo smart. I never knew Ford guys could do such a thing! Did it take you all 4,384 posts to gain that knowledge Mr. Technical? :)

Originally posted by Z284ever
SHHHHH!!!!!!! What's wrong with you!!!!!! Don't you know that Mustang guys are completely unaware that they can mod their cars.

Holy Smokes! If those Cobra guys only knew that an exhaust, pully and computer reflash would be worth 100 horsepower on their Cobras...we'd be in trouble.

You see, if we all keep this secret.....

We can mod our cars...but the Mustang guys will never be the wiser.;)

I hope that you haven't given anything away by your post.:eek:


:lol:


I always love it when someone's car (or engine in this case) will lose, they always resort to the "with a few mod's I kill it" arguement... like the other guy is restricted from modding as well or something.

Well we are talking about a 17 year old engine against a brand new engine with a lot more cubic inches. So it would only be fair if the 3.8 motor had a couple bolt ons ya know? But anyways the new Cobra's are pretty badazz & I can't wait to start seeing them on the streets. :thumb:

My linuep:

Base model - I6
RS - Turbo I6
Z-28 - LS2
SS - Big Block

Originally posted by godofdragons
it should be a whole new engine. if one generation can have both lt1's and ls1's, then shouldnt a next gen f-body get a entirely new, better block?

It will be.
LT1 = Gen II
LS1 = Gen III
LS2 = Gen IV

someone care to tell me some are so obsessed witha Big-block that they seriously think its a good idea for 5th gen Camaro?

Its not a name like Hemi either that people (some older people mostly, might remember)

More weight, less space to access, GM has no high performance BB, poor mpg, more cost to develop and certify a BB, they'd have to develop some super strong diff ect.

Are there any upsides that I am missing?

(And not nostalgic reasons either)

The only reasons why GM had big blocks in the 60's was to make there cars fast.

MOost small blocks weren't that fast compared to todays LS1.

Now technology has evolved that the LS1 series can take almost any Big block from that era. And it does it while at a 75 cubic inch disadvantage (or more), returning good mileage and emissions that would make a Big block blush.

A truly amazing engine!

Originally posted by 305fan


GM has no high performance BB



Look at the GM Perfromance Parts 454, 502, and 572;)

It would be cool to have a BBC in the 5th gen as an option or something (I doubt it would ever happen) mostly because any of the three listed above (and some of the older BBCs) have more potential than a SBC.

GM performance parts? Non emission high $$$ stuff.
And they don't amke any of those Big-blocks you cited. Only the 8.1L and I am not sure if any (some might) GM performance parts would bolt right on a Fuel injected 8.1L

How does the LS1 have no potenetial. I bet alot of people who bought 4th gens don't care about running in the nines. Quite a few might just leave the cars 100% stock (or close to) with out tearing into the engine.

Not a good case, IMO

Still waiting for an advantage that makes economical (and other) sense.

No need for BB when a 427 Gen III SB makes 600HP

Big Block, huh?

Just curious...a show of hands...to everyone who has ever driven a car with a BB.

did no one read my post?:irk: :think:

Just curious...a show of hands...to everyone who has ever driven a car with a BB.
:thumb:
One drive and it'll ALL make sense...economical, N A H... but something about the sound of a cammed B/B that will give the most die hard S/B guy chills...intimidating!...
Torque is the biggest advantage, example 502ci GMPP motor, 500lbft+...
You can just hear the frame "Cr-e-a-k" when you mash the long pedal...
Practical for a New Camaro?...not really..a 6.0L is what 366ci, like the Old truck motors of the 60's...?Anyways with its stroke(longer than a 350) and larger bore, it should be plenty fast, and capable, but I'm not sure you can call it "Economical"??/

I would like to see some large displacement SBC's, like the old 400's, only with long rods..

Now technology has evolved that the LS1 series can take almost any Big block from that era. And it does it while at a 75 cubic inch disadvantage (or more),
While I'll agree about today's engine being extremely more efficient, the LS1 would NOT take almost any BB from that Era. Maybe a lot of the 396/402's, but not even all of them..remember those cars were a lot heavier too...Drop a 427/L88(435HP Vette) motor into a 2000 Z and you'll have a definite mid-12 second car!..

GMPP crate motors:
P/N 24502618 = 425HP / 500lbft!, 8.75:1, 454ci.
P/N 24502620 = 450HP / 550lbft, ,8.75:1, 502ci.
P/N 12371171 KIT = 502HP / 567lbft, 502ci.

Originally posted by 305fan
GM performance parts? Non emission high $$$ stuff.
The RamJet 502 is emissions legal. :D

90rocz--of course, your are right LS1 does not = L88.

But very few L88 and ZL1 engines were made. Tons of muscle cars had 396/402, 283/302/327/350, 340/383 ect---and they aren't that fast compared to todays LS1/LS6/LS2

Originally posted by 90rocz
[B
While I'll agree about today's engine being extremely more efficient, the LS1 would NOT take almost any BB from that Era. Maybe a lot of the 396/402's, but not even all of them..remember those cars were a lot heavier too...Drop a 427/L88(435HP Vette) motor into a 2000 Z and you'll have a definite mid-12 second car!..

[/B]

Why would you compare an L88 to an LS1?

A more appropriate comparison would be to the LS6 or even the upcoming LS7.

I take that back.

My new lineup

Base model - I6 or v6
RS - Turbo I6 or turbo v6
SS - LS2
RS/SS - Super rare large displacement LS2 (SLP or Lingenfelter)
Z28 - high RPM, low rotating mass (i.e. lower displacement) LS2 coupled with race car style chassis, only available in hardtop, limited numbers

The Z28 idea follows exactly what the originial 67 Z28 was like.

Ken

Originally posted by 305fan
GM performance parts? Non emission high $$$ stuff.
And they don't amke any of those Big-blocks you cited. Only the 8.1L and I am not sure if any (some might) GM performance parts would bolt right on a Fuel injected 8.1L

How does the LS1 have no potenetial. I bet alot of people who bought 4th gens don't care about running in the nines. Quite a few might just leave the cars 100% stock (or close to) with out tearing into the engine.

Not a good case, IMO

Still waiting for an advantage that makes economical (and other) sense.

What do you mean GMPP dosen't make the 502 and 572? The 572 is brand new.

I never said the LS1 had NO potential, only that BBCs have More than a SBC.

Never was meant to be a good case just a couple random thoughts.

BTW: I have as driven a BBC (in a 68 Camaro)

I vote for the LS2.

Base Camaro: V6
RS Package: Base Camaro, but with an I6(Turbo or SC) and GFX.
Z28: LS2
SS: LS2 or different motor with at least 25hp increase than the Z28 and touring suspension.

Make some ZL1s to beat the snot out of Shelby.....if it's there. :D

Here's a little story about the 1965 Chevelle, Chevy's First Muscle Car, and just a 'lil 396's performance:
Quote from CHP, Sept.2000

"At first, the '65 was mechanically much the same as the '64, with the standard powerplants, the wheezy six, and the optional 283 and 327 smallblocks. However as the summer of '65 approached Chevy released a precious few Z-16 Chevelle coupes powered by the New 396ci Big Block. Not just any 396, this one was identical to the 425HP/396 in the Corvette, except for the installation of a hydraulic cam. The z-16's 375HP and 420lbft of torque vividly demonstrated how A-bodies "Splayed 4-link"and coil spring rear suspension was better at launches than any competitors leaf spring arrangement.

"Performance figures in our spec panel are extremely impressive,"wrote Motor Trends' John Ethridge, "but they're inadequate insomuch as they don't tell the story of how this car will accelerate over 100mph. The needle doesn't hang there but goes wiping the face of the 160mph speedometer until the engine redlines. With proper gearing we wouldn't at all be surprised to seee the Chevelle 396 peg its speedometer. It's the hottest of the Hot intermediates. "In fact it's the King of the road".

"Today the Z-16's 15.3 second quarter milepass at 96.3mph would only have the car beating some Honda Civics, BUT the Z-16 rode on GREASY 7.75 x 14" bias ply tires. On slicks the Z-16 bolted into the 13's with NO problem WHATSOEVER..."

(Me)Given todays rubber, there would be whole new respect for the Big Blocks of the past, sure they didn't do it as cleanly or efficiently, BUT they did do it!...

Ls2. Seems more realistic since f-bod has shared engines with vette for some time now and i expect this trend to continue. Not to mention, the potential is there. 400hp (possibly underrated) in c6 trim? Should be good for a 350-370hp "rating" in f-bod trim which would be excellent.

Originally posted by §h@dow Dr@gon
I vote for the LS2.

Base Camaro: V6
RS Package: Base Camaro, but with an I6(Turbo or SC) and GFX.
Z28: LS2
SS: LS2 or different motor with at least 25hp increase than the Z28 and touring suspension.

Make some ZL1s to beat the snot out of Shelby.....if it's there. :D

Aside from the RS having a turbo, wasnt that the basic formula for the 4th gens which ultimately failed? The SS and Z28 HAVE GOT TO be more different from each other then a suspension.

Originally posted by USHotRod
Aside from the RS having a turbo, wasnt that the basic formula for the 4th gens which ultimately failed? The SS and Z28 HAVE GOT TO be more different from each other then a suspension. Actually some will argue that the only differences between the 4th gen SS and Z28 were stripes, a hood scoop and a cool sounding exhaust.

Oh yeah... and the price tag! :p

Man, why are so many people so obsessed with big blocks? Enough with making the car heavier already!! You can get PLENTY of performance out of the current gen small blocks.

A nicely cammed LS2 would be great for the V8 model, and for the base a V6 with a possible dealer-installed turbo package would be incredible.

Wow this thread has gone off into dream land:rolleyes:

Originally posted by newby
Man, why are so many people so obsessed with big blocks? Enough with making the car heavier already!! You can get PLENTY of performance out of the current gen small blocks.The aluminum ZL-1 454 weighs less than most small blocks. :D

Originally posted by jg95z28
The aluminum ZL-1 454 weighs less than most small blocks. :D

Hmm...I think it weighed more but cannot back that up.....(I had a magazine...)

It was a Big block with almost the weight of a small block....I think.

Whoa---what ZL1 454?---it was a 427. And it certainly wouldn't weigh less then an LS1 (all aluminum)

aluminum LS7. 427 or better.

Originally posted by 305fan
Hmm...I think it weighed more but cannot back that up.....(I had a magazine...)

It was a Big block with almost the weight of a small block....I think.

Whoa---what ZL1 454?---it was a 427. And it certainly wouldn't weigh less then an LS1 (all aluminum)
RamJet ZL1 454 (http://www.gmpartsdepot.com/store/product1.asp?SID=8&Product_ID=988&src=ov&kw=zl1r&OVRAW=ramjet%20zl1&OVKEY=ramjet%20zl1&OVMTC=standard)

Limited edition, but why not dream big? ;)

seeing how everyone is in dream land!

I will vote for a production version of the prototype v16 in the cadilac 16

1000 hp

that would do!

And the S/S will get 1500hp via a turbo upgrade for a measly 50$ more than z28

lol

Originally posted by akafred
seeing how everyone is in dream land!

I will vote for a production version of the prototype v16 in the cadilac 16

1000 hp

that would do!

And the S/S will get 1500hp via a turbo upgrade for a measly 50$ more than z28

lol

Why dont we just get John Force to build some motors for the 5th gen.:D

IMHO I believe the line up should go
Base- V6
Berlinetta-Turbo V6
RS- LS2
Z28- LS6/LS7
Production Limited SS- Big Block
See everybody gets what they want by bringing back the Berlinetta (Well everybody except the 2 retards who picked the four banger :mad:) Now we can all live happily ever after in high performance valley and sing Kumbaya

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Gawd. There isn't going to be a big block in the Corvette, let alone the Camaro. :rolleyes: With the power and fuel milage small blocks get today, there's almost no point in going huge anyway.

It was a choice on the poll. I picked it. Don't like it, tough $hit.

Originally posted by Dan Oldham
It was a choice on the poll. I picked it. Don't like it, tough $hit.

That's fine. I just found your opinion of today's SBC to be laughable. The Camaro "deserves better" than a "lame-ass" 400 horsepower small block that revs freely to 6500+ RPM? How about we take baby steps and say the Camaro deserves to be in production again. ;)

1 more time.

Whatever the base Chevy Corvette gets is what the TOP Camaro will get. There are NO Camaros faster than the Vette allowed.

LS2.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
That's fine. I just found your opinion of today's SBC to be laughable. The Camaro "deserves better" than a "lame-ass" 400 horsepower small block that revs freely to 6500+ RPM? How about we take baby steps and say the Camaro deserves to be in production again. ;)

Sure, let me know what LS1 produces 400hp from the factory. I'll be waiting. :rolleyes:

And don't come back and say "LS6." I said LS1. Oh, that's right, there is no LS1 making 400hp in stock trim, is there?!

The Camaro is in production.....in the form of a Cobalt SS. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dan Oldham
Sure, let me know what LS1 produces 400hp from the factory. I'll be waiting. :rolleyes:

And don't come back and say "LS6." I said LS1. Oh, that's right, there is no LS1 making 400hp in stock trim, is there?!

The Camaro is in production.....in the form of a Cobalt SS. :rolleyes:

You said "LS1 derivative"...that would be the new LS2 by the time Camaro is back. I don't understand where you are coming from, honestly....

Originally posted by hp_nut
1 more time.

Whatever the base Chevy Corvette gets is what the TOP Camaro will get. There are NO Camaros faster than the Vette allowed.

LS2. 1 more time.

Even if you stick the exact same motor as the TOP Corvette [mr subliminal]Z06[/mr subliminal] in the TOP Camaro [mr subliminal]Z28[/mr subliminal] the Corvette will still always out run, out handle, and out perform the Camaro because it is a CORVETTE! :D

Its basic physics folks... you shouldn't need an engineering degree to understand that! :p

yeah, this top hp for the Vette is crap. Just maintain the Vettes superior power to weight ratio and it will always win.

Originally posted by jg95z28
1 more time.

Even if you stick the exact same motor as the TOP Corvette [mr subliminal]Z06[/mr subliminal] in the TOP Camaro [mr subliminal]Z28[/mr subliminal] the Corvette will still always out run, out handle, and out perform the Camaro because it is a CORVETTE! :D

Its basic physics folks... you shouldn't need an engineering degree to understand that! :p


WRONG. A 500hp LS6 Camaro will stomp a 400hp LS2 Corvette.

THUS it will NEVER happen.


Originally posted by 305fan
yeah, this top hp for the Vette is crap. Just maintain the Vettes superior power to weight ratio and it will always win.


First of all, to maintain any significant weight/hp ratio advantage for a 400hp 3100lb Vette over a 500hp LS6 Camaro, the Camaro would have to weigh over 4000lbs.

No way in hell the Camaro gets an LS6. EVER

Sorry.

Originally posted by hp_nut
First of all, to maintain any significant weight/hp ratio advantage for a 400hp 3100lb Vette over a 500hp LS6 Camaro, the Camaro would have to weigh over 4000lbs.

How do you figure unless the vette is heavier than the camaro?

Originally posted by hp_nut
No way in hell the Camaro gets an LS6. EVER

Sorry.

You're right! By the time we see a Camaro the LS6 will be history.

Who knows, what Camaro gets, may actually be better.:shock:

Originally posted by jg95z28
in the TOP Camaro Z28


Glad there's room for the SS above that.

Originally posted by PacerX
Glad there's room for the SS above that.


Will your C6 be an SS? Or will it be a Z 06?:D

Originally posted by hp_nut
WRONG. A 500hp LS6 Camaro will stomp a 400hp LS2 Corvette.

THUS it will NEVER happen.





First of all, to maintain any significant weight/hp ratio advantage for a 400hp 3100lb Vette over a 500hp LS6 Camaro, the Camaro would have to weigh over 4000lbs.

No way in hell the Camaro gets an LS6. EVER

Sorry.


Maybe so---but I never said the Camaro should get that much more then the base Corvette. I was speaking in very general terms and actaully dreaming of a S/C 450hp 6.0 Silverado SS

Originally posted by PacerX
Glad there's room for the SS above that.

There is absolutely no room for that. And it's not wanted either.

;) :)

Originally posted by Z284ever
You're right! By the time we see a Camaro the LS6 will be history.

Who knows, what Camaro gets, may actually be better.:shock:


Well I guess I'm confused now. I thought new Z06 vette should be coming out in 2005 as an '06 model with its new500hp LS6.

Maybe I meant 500hp LS7?

Seems like you want better than vette performance in a Camaro. Why not buy a vette?

1) You'll get a better, faster car.
2) You'll save yerself about a 5 year delay.
3) You'll avoid abject dissappointment over only getting a 400hp Camaro.



Originally posted by 305fan
Maybe so---but I never said the Camaro should get that much more then the base Corvette. I was speaking in very general terms and actaully dreaming of a S/C 450hp 6.0 Silverado SS

GM develop a special version LS2 for the Camaro to give it a little more hp than the C6 but not enough to let it outperform it?
Nah.

A S/C 450hp Silverado SS? Keep dreaming. Not gonna happen.

Originally posted by jg95z28
1 more time.

Even if you stick the exact same motor as the TOP Corvette [mr subliminal]Z06[/mr subliminal] in the TOP Camaro [mr subliminal]Z28[/mr subliminal] the Corvette will still always out run, out handle, and out perform the Camaro because it is a CORVETTE! :D

Its basic physics folks... you shouldn't need an engineering degree to understand that! :p

Probably the best remark to the Corvette ceiling out there. :thumb: For those who still do not get it, lets draw it out shall we?

500 hp/3100 lb Corvette will always be > 500hp/3500 lb Camaro

On topic, I picked LS2, because it seems to be the most likely.

Originally posted by hp_nut
A S/C 450hp Silverado SS? Keep dreaming. Not gonna happen.

I wouldnt say that just yet........:D

Also in reponse to your Corvette/Camaro posts, who says that in three years the base model C6 is STILL gonna be at 400hp?

Originally posted by hp_nut
Well I guess I'm confused now. I thought new Z06 vette should be coming out in 2005 as an '06 model with its new500hp LS6.

Maybe I meant 500hp LS7?

Seems like you want better than vette performance in a Camaro. Why not buy a vette?

1) You'll get a better, faster car.
2) You'll save yerself about a 5 year delay.
3) You'll avoid abject dissappointment over only getting a 400hp Camaro.



Yeah, you probably meant LS7.

And...I'm not saying that Camaro should perform better than Corvette....that would be pointless. I was just saying that I wouldn't be surprised if Camaro is powered by something more impressive than the current LS6.

Nevertheless, Camaro's edict will be to outperform Mustang...as long as Corvette maintains a performance advantage over Camaro. *(That is...as they say.... IF there is a Camaro)*.

Originally posted by Dan Oldham
A big block V8. I'd be real disappointed to see some lame-ass alunimum LS1 variant under the hood of the next Fbody. It deserves better.

Perhaps we should put an LT1 in it. That would be much better. :rolleyes:

I vote Twin Turbo 527 Big Block. 1000 rwhp stock. :D
Realistically the LS2.

LS2 DOHC 6.0 variant would be the best of all worlds.
with the displacement-on-demand feature to save fuel on road trips.

Or even a supercharged 5.3 with better heads.

I am saving for twin turbos myself.....
one day...:rolleyes:

On topic, i picked what ever version on the LS2 is out at that time. That's just the way its gonna be.

For fantasy:
Base = 3800 V6 or whatever the corperate v6 at the time is.
Rs (if avail) = SC3800 or DoD 4.8?
Z/28 = LS2
SS = LS7

Fuuk that LS2 b/s, put a 302 in it.

Originally posted by nj87ttype
Fuuk that LS2 b/s, put a 302 in it.

Yes, because smaller displacement is always better.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Yes, because smaller displacement is always better. :Owned:

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Yes, because smaller displacement is always better.

Are you bein serious? I was just jokin about the 302 comment, but I guess smaller could be better for some people if they're more worried about gas mileage...

Size does matter! Just ask my wife. :D

Originally posted by nj87ttype
Are you bein serious? I was just jokin about the 302 comment, but I guess smaller could be better for some people if they're more worried about gas mileage...

Yes, I was joking, but I did not realize you were joking... but, then again, you didn't realize I was joking... so... is the joke on me, or is the joke on you? Or is a joke the yellow part of an egg?


:think:

Dream combo...

Twin Turbo DOHC 4.8 with dod
and the option of either 6 speed auto or 6 speed manual
And of course boost adjustable from driver seat, and ecu tailors to the boost.

I would sell my house and downsize to 1800 sq feet if they put that in a retro 60's new age bad motha

Obviously a base v6 model...around 200 to 250 hp.
Then base v8 at least 350 hp.
Then single turbo v8 option..should be good for at least 450hp.
Then twin turbo option..600hp.
That would do it for me.:D

Originally posted by 80TA
Obviously a base v6 model...around 200 to 250 hp.
Then base v8 at least 350 hp.
Then single turbo v8 option..should be good for at least 450hp.
Then twin turbo option..600hp.
That would do it for me.:D

you my friend are a sick bastage..... I LIKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU!! :D :D
In all reality, the top engine will be the LS2. There isnt much else and GM will not go though the whole ordeal of making a Camaro without having the top model outpower the Mustang which hasent been a problem really.
This is what Id like to see as a line up... .
SC= 250hp 3.9
RS= 300 hp SC 3.9
LT= 320 hp Mini Northstar
Z28= 385hp 6.0 LS2
SS= 400hp 6.0 LS2.
There for, a Camaro for everyone. You have 2 v6 models, 1 luxury model, and 2 V8 sport models. Its like 1987 all over again!! Only without the IROC.

I don't really care as long as it has a v8 and outperforms the mustang. Better be rwd also, possibly make awd an option for those who want it

Whatever the biggest, baddest, balliest, and most powerful engine GM has in their arsenal when it comes out. :bow:


I think there should also be various engine options for the camaro, so there won't be such a big step up from the 200 hp V6 to the underrated 310HP LS1 V8 like in the 4th gen fbody. Maybe have a base V-6 with 220 HP, with optional supercharger to crank out 260. Maybe have the base V-8 be about 300-320 HP. Then step up to the LS2 at 400HP. Finally, maybe a limited production of a few thousand a year that have the 500HP ZO6 Vette motor.
Call the last one the ZL1

Also, it would be cool if we got an all alumium big block V-8:D
Maybe steal it from the truck line like the Viper did with its V-10

Originally posted by stars1010

Northstar- No, too expensive and I doubt Caddy would ever give this up to the lowly Camaro.




Cadillac should not share their motor with anybody. They should not share anything, not even the same bolts, with other GM divisions. so what if the price goes up, as long as its a world beater who cares :D

Just remeber the Cimmarion:barf:
That is what happens when Cadillac shares parts and platforms with other divisions.

Originally posted by AronZ28
Whatever the biggest, baddest, balliest, and most powerful engine GM has in their arsenal when it comes out. :bow:


I think there should also be various engine options for the camaro, so there won't be such a big step up from the 200 hp V6 to the underrated 310HP LS1 V8 like in the 4th gen fbody. Maybe have a base V-6 with 220 HP, with optional supercharger to crank out 260.

read my post on the supercharged 3.9. :D

Also, it would be cool if we got an all alumium big block V-8:D
Maybe steal it from the truck line like the Viper did with its V-10

The Viper and Truck motors are 2 different engines. And the GM 8.1 makes horrible power when compared to the LS2. The 8.1 was made for pulling. The dodge truck engine does not make 500hp(outside of the SRT10). It would just be better to use a large displacement small block.

Originally posted by AronZ28
Cadillac should not share their motor with anybody. They should not share anything, not even the same bolts, with other GM divisions. so what if the price goes up, as long as its a world beater who cares :D

Just remeber the Cimmarion:barf:
That is what happens when Cadillac shares parts and platforms with other divisions.

To a point I agree but Pontiac getting the fwd Northstar was the best thing that ever happended to the Bonneville.

Caddy is almost all rwd now--they can let their fwd Northstar go to other divisions. Buick and Pontiac come to mind.

I think there is a massive need for more OHC V6 and V8 motors. If a RWD Impalla and Bonnie are on there way, I think OHC motors would be better off in sedans. Save the pushrods for the performance.

Realistically if the Camaro comes back it will have a slightly detuned LS2.

Unrealistically:
Base V6
RS 285 hp 5.3L V8
Z28 325 hp 5.7L V8
SS ~400 hp LS2
SS Limited Production Big Block Camaro underated at 450 hp

Choice of rearend gears on the A4:
2.73
3.08
3.31
3.55

Choice of rearend gears on the M6:
3.55
3.73
4.10

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