If/when we get a supercharged Solstice

...will it be intercooled? God, please say yes :)

I'd rather have a intercooled TURBO Solstice, but that's just me:D

Agreed! I just recall information that had been posted that if it were to get forced induction, it would be SC'd.

I'd imagine that the GXP Solstice will share the 2.0L supercharged four from the Ion Red Line. I wish they would use the 2.0L turbo from Saab though. It'd be nice to have some diversity in the GM stable.

BTW, does anyone know if the Ion Red Line is intercooled? I couldn't find anything that said it was.

Originally posted by newby
I'd rather have a intercooled TURBO Solstice, but that's just me:D
Amen. It would make huge waves in the tuner market. Stock 250hp 2.2l turbo with the potential to make a reliable, daily drivable 350hp with minor mods. If the CTS diff can handle 400hp in the V and GM puts a good transmission on it as well.......:cool: :D

another vote for turbo...I'm starting to get interested in the solstice, but i'm not liking that front end

Saturn Ion has a supercharged & intercooled engine, so it's safe to say Solstice will as well.

http://www.saturn.com/saturn/showroom/ion/quad/redline.jsp?nav=270&page=1

Originally posted by guionM
Saturn Ion has a supercharged & intercooled engine, so it's safe to say Solstice will as well.
IMHO, thats a bad move by GM.

GM hasn't been interested in turbos since the late 80's. Apparently, according to RP, GM's "market research" dictates that Americans hate turbo lag and want the instant mash-the-gas-and-go feel that a supercharger provides. I happen to disagree with this research (after all, market research numbers only reflect the small group you talk to) and there's no question that turbos are the glamour power adder today. I'd love to see turbos used on GM 4 cylinders (where it won't rob power to make power) and leave the blowers to the larger 6's (and 8's ;) )

RP told me the exact same thing a year ago...still, i was hoping things could change (maybe 'update' the market research?)

Someone needs to tell Dodge that Americans would rather the SRT-4 be supercharged...:think:

I think there is a place in GM's verious 4 cylinder performance cars for supercharging and turbocharging. Imagine what the 2.4L 170hp Ecotec could do with a turbo. With the torque it makes N/A, lag wouldn't be much of an issue.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
GM hasn't been interested in turbos since the late 80's. Apparently, according to RP, GM's "market research" dictates that Americans hate turbo lag and want the instant mash-the-gas-and-go feel that a supercharger provides. I happen to disagree with this research (after all, market research numbers only reflect the small group you talk to) and there's no question that turbos are the glamour power adder today. I'd love to see turbos used on GM 4 cylinders (where it won't rob power to make power) and leave the blowers to the larger 6's (and 8's ;) )

on one of the car channels, they showed the Porsche GT2 with 2 turbos to overcome turbo-lag. The turbos were smaller in capacity to if they had deployed the vehicle with a single Turbo. One Turbo comes in at lower rpms and the other after.

maybe a moot point since the cost may be too much for a vehicle like the Solstice that needs to stay at the $20K mark.

Originally posted by gab
on one of the car channels, they showed the Porsche GT2 with 2 turbos to overcome turbo-lag. The turbos were smaller in capacity to if they had deployed the vehicle with a single Turbo. One Turbo comes in at lower rpms and the other after.

maybe a moot point since the cost may be too much for a vehicle like the Solstice that needs to stay at the $20K mark.
Modern turbos like Mitsubishi's twin scroll and Garretts new disco potato have minimal lag with the ability to support 300-350hp, kiss principle in effect.

People like off the line torque for stop light commuting(think Malibu)

People like mid and upper range power for sporty/track driving(think Solstice)

Originally posted by slt
Modern turbos like Mitsubishi's twin scroll and Garretts new disco potato have minimal lag with the ability to support 300-350hp, kiss principle in effect.

People like off the line torque for stop light commuting(think Malibu)

People like mid and upper range power for sporty/track driving(think Solstice)

Yah, there are many ways to combat turbo lag. The old FC RX7 cars originally had a twin-scroll system on the turbo models to improve low-end, and I know there's many other "tricks" that aren't too complicated that help.

I think that tuners and younger (think 20s) buyers would prefer a turbo, myself included. True, the instant power of a supercharger is cool, but the feeling of the turbo boosting is pretty dang fun too as it pushes you farther and farther back into the seat.

Also, good point on the SRT-4. Those things are selling like crazy from what I hear.

the thing with the turbos is, there isn't a cheap way to get more power out of them once they're on the engine. with a S/C all you have to do is a pully swap to eek out some extra power. that's what, $5? $10?

or maybe i don't know enough about turbos, so somebody can clue me in.

Originally posted by morb|d
the thing with the turbos is, there isn't a cheap way to get more power out of them once they're on the engine. with a S/C all you have to do is a pully swap to eek out some extra power. that's what, $5? $10?

or maybe i don't know enough about turbos, so somebody can clue me in.

Turbos are cheap to get power out of. Many see a 20hp gain just from a $40 boost controller which I guess is the turbo equivilent to putting on a bigger pulley. My G/F's GTI saw a 45hp gain from a $300 chip. My car saw a 50+ whp gain from a chip and a catback. A set of cams are worth 25-40hp depending on how aggressive you go. A down pipe would be worth another 10hp on either car.

The big potential comes from the fact that your car comes from the factory already set up for a turbo aplication with the oil squirters, stronger internals, lower compression, ect. An aftermarket turbo kit will cost $2500- $3500 and will let you run 350- 450 hp on stock internals. Beef those up and you can run 5-600hp.

Two big benifits of turbo over supercharging.
1. Free power
2. Full boost from spool up untill redline.

Six Words: Don't count the turbo out yet

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Six Words: Don't count the turbo out yet

Four words: Listen to this man! :D

Originally posted by slt
Two big benifits of turbo over supercharging.
1. Free power


Technically speaking, turbo's don't produce "free hp" since they create additional backpressure. While the loss isn't as big as a belt driven S/c'er, it is there.

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Six Words: Don't count the turbo out yet

Though I'm a devout fan of supercharging, I gotta say a Turbo Solstice is intriguing. :D

Originally posted by 96_Camaro_B4C
Six Words: Don't count the turbo out yet
Thats right GM, Do what I command:D

Wasn't there a G6 Turbo model coming out?

What GM brand already has, or has shown in a concept, a turbo ecotech? Also, was there ever rumors of this same brand getting a kappa vehicle?

Things that make you go hmmm....:D

Originally posted by IREngineer
What GM brand already has, or has shown in a concept, a turbo ecotech? Also, was there ever rumors of this same brand getting a kappa vehicle?

Things that make you go hmmm....:D

Doh! :D

Originally posted by IREngineer
What GM brand already has, or has shown in a concept, a turbo ecotech? Also, was there ever rumors of this same brand getting a kappa vehicle?

Things that make you go hmmm....:D

Nomad had a 250HP Turbo VVT 2.2L Ecotec

Curve has a 230HP S/C VVT 2.2L Ecotec

I hope the GXP Solstice gets the Turbo VVT 2.2L

Originally posted by morb|d
the thing with the turbos is, there isn't a cheap way to get more power out of them once they're on the engine. with a S/C all you have to do is a pully swap to eek out some extra power. that's what, $5? $10?

or maybe i don't know enough about turbos, so somebody can clue me in.

Yah, there's lots of ways to increase HP for cheap on a turbo. You can buy a manual boost controller for 10 bucks to up the boost, same effect as swapping a pulley (without the danger of over-spinning the SC at redline. I don't think the Ecotec has a high enough redline for that to be an issue though.). Also, on a turbo exhaust mods add LOTS of power, moreso than on an NA car or a SC'd car usually. The more airflow out the back, the quicker the turbo can spool and the more boost it can make.

I know the Solstice starts @ $19,999.But whats its high range in price?26K?:confused:

Technically speaking, turbo's don't produce "free hp" since they create additional backpressure. While the loss isn't as big as a belt driven S/c'er, it is there.
They're the closest thing to free power you'll see...and the power is theoretically infinite, if the engine holds together...where as a SC is driven off of the crank or rpm driven, the boost will eventially die off as rpm's do, the turbo driven by gases can keep going..and the higher the turbo spins(excess of 120K-rpms)the less of a restriction it becomes..
Smaller Modern turbo's have very little lag, so that argument won't hold water anymore...
I have an S/C car, and have owned 2 turbo cars, the 2 turbo 4cyl's would run with my current S/C 6cyl with little modding, I garantee..;)
For street manners, the SC wins, for performance the turbo wins..