i bet the next camaro will share the gto chassis
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Re: i bet the next camaro will share the gto chassis
Originally posted by NeoSNK
I've heard something like this before and it just makes sense. The gto will be the pontiac version instead of a firebird. Thats fine with me.
I've heard something like this before and it just makes sense. The gto will be the pontiac version instead of a firebird. Thats fine with me.
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I've been hearing that the suspension components on the sigma's are beefed up for Austrailian use. And since the GTO was brought over on a shoestring budget, there wasn't time to rework this and other issues.
Now Sigma-lite (no pun intended) is being developed in Austrailia for global use. According to a recent post from GuionM and an Austrailian auto rag it was performing remarkably well! This should be the next GTO platform and the most likely for a Camaro replacement. Camaro may ride on a shorter version. Hopefully they'll work on keeping weight as well as costs down.
Now Sigma-lite (no pun intended) is being developed in Austrailia for global use. According to a recent post from GuionM and an Austrailian auto rag it was performing remarkably well! This should be the next GTO platform and the most likely for a Camaro replacement. Camaro may ride on a shorter version. Hopefully they'll work on keeping weight as well as costs down.
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so long as they can get that fat pig on a diet im in
if they want to make a bit classier, heavier, refined car with v8 power, then im all for it, and its the gto
but camaro has been and should be the performance model that gets people into the GM camp and a car they want to race the **** out of. keep the v8, lose the weight.
i have a 1LE and ive taken weight off of that and its still tubby, i cant imagine having more weight.
if they want to make a bit classier, heavier, refined car with v8 power, then im all for it, and its the gto
but camaro has been and should be the performance model that gets people into the GM camp and a car they want to race the **** out of. keep the v8, lose the weight.
i have a 1LE and ive taken weight off of that and its still tubby, i cant imagine having more weight.
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Re: i bet the next camaro will share the gto chassis
Originally posted by NeoSNK
I've heard something like this before and it just makes sense. The gto will be the pontiac version instead of a firebird. Thats fine with me.
I've heard something like this before and it just makes sense. The gto will be the pontiac version instead of a firebird. Thats fine with me.
Seriously we have been talking about this for like 6-7 months maybe more.
Jason, I think we need a new sticky
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Re: Re: i bet the next camaro will share the gto chassis
Originally posted by 91_z28_4me
Holly COW this is news to me and everyone else on the board!
Seriously we have been talking about this for like 6-7 months maybe more.
Jason, I think we need a new sticky
Holly COW this is news to me and everyone else on the board!
Seriously we have been talking about this for like 6-7 months maybe more.
Jason, I think we need a new sticky
I'd been waiting to use that smilie...
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Oh and remember guys; this new GTO platform should be relatively different from the current one. Someone may need to confirm this or correct me but I think the new one is a ground up design and doesn’t share a ton with the current GTO. SO lets not all start worrying about weight just yet. GM wont let the GTO and Camaro fail.
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Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? I cant imagine a goat with T-Tops. I cant imagine a camaro being that heavy either.
They need to be seperate beasts... IMO a Holden camaro will fail, and it will be humiliating at that.
Why?
-Too expensive
-Too heavy
-Not enough options... (just a 6speed?)
---The above MUST be improved for it to work
---Adding to that... IRS should be optional, not everyone wants it even though the majority does.
-Personally I think the cost is what killed the car, now it will be even faster ( = worse insurance prices ) and the cars price will be higher from the start. The camaro has always been a budget performance car, [I understand inflation exists, but] 33-34K is not budget in my opinion. You might as well just save a little more and buy a vette... gee another reason the camaro died in the first place
If the camaro uses the gto frame the vette NEEDS to make some room for it, as in a vette needs to be more like the viper and GT.
i hope someone can prove me wrong.
They need to be seperate beasts... IMO a Holden camaro will fail, and it will be humiliating at that.
Why?
-Too expensive
-Too heavy
-Not enough options... (just a 6speed?)
---The above MUST be improved for it to work
---Adding to that... IRS should be optional, not everyone wants it even though the majority does.
-Personally I think the cost is what killed the car, now it will be even faster ( = worse insurance prices ) and the cars price will be higher from the start. The camaro has always been a budget performance car, [I understand inflation exists, but] 33-34K is not budget in my opinion. You might as well just save a little more and buy a vette... gee another reason the camaro died in the first place
If the camaro uses the gto frame the vette NEEDS to make some room for it, as in a vette needs to be more like the viper and GT.
i hope someone can prove me wrong.
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Let's see if I can't prove you wrong.
Originally posted by JoeliusZ28
Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? I cant imagine a goat with T-Tops. I cant imagine a camaro being that heavy either.
Remember, a new Camaro and GTO won't be on the current GTO platform. We really don't know anything about the new platform except that it's based off of sigma and should handle remarkably.
They need to be seperate beasts... IMO a Holden camaro will fail, and it will be humiliating at that.
This would not be a "Holden" Camaro. GM is a global company and is using assets from different parts of the world to develop the chassis. Holden has greater experience with modern RWD cars. To ignore this because of pride would be just plain wrong. Your car was assembled in Canada...is that humiliating? GM is a GLOBAL company.
Why?
-Too expensive
I think it's pretty safe to assume that Camaro will cost less than a GTO.
-Too heavy
Again, a Camaro would use a sigma-lite chassis, not the current GTO V-car chassis. In addition, Camaro may be on a shortened GTO chassis. Do you know how much it will weigh already? Nobody here does. Wait and see on this.
-Not enough options... (just a 6speed?)
Again, you seem to be using the current GTO as the basis for your assumptions. It will be redisigned.
---The above MUST be improved for it to work
I don't see why it wouldn't be improved in a redisign.
---Adding to that... IRS should be optional, not everyone wants it even though the majority does.
This is a big debate here, but most seem to agree that IRS is needed. IRS has an advantage in all but the 1/4 and VERY smooth road tracks.
-Personally I think the cost is what killed the car, now it will be even faster ( = worse insurance prices ) and the cars price will be higher from the start.
Out of all the reasons the car went away, price does not seem high on the list. The F-body went out as the best bang for the buck car in the industry...Period. Now if you wanted a decked out SS, well that's different. Also, insurance prices aren't HP/Performance dependent. Many people here have already posted instances when Mustang GT premiums were higher than the same model year Z28/Formula.
The camaro has always been a budget performance car, [I understand inflation exists, but] 33-34K is not budget in my opinion. You might as well just save a little more and buy a vette... gee another reason the camaro died in the first place
Like I said, GTO should be more expensive than a Camaro. And I'd hardly call a $13,000 price difference from GTO to Corvette insignificant.
If the camaro uses the gto frame the vette NEEDS to make some room for it, as in a vette needs to be more like the viper and GT.
i hope someone can prove me wrong.
Am I the only one who finds this disappointing? I cant imagine a goat with T-Tops. I cant imagine a camaro being that heavy either.
Remember, a new Camaro and GTO won't be on the current GTO platform. We really don't know anything about the new platform except that it's based off of sigma and should handle remarkably.
They need to be seperate beasts... IMO a Holden camaro will fail, and it will be humiliating at that.
This would not be a "Holden" Camaro. GM is a global company and is using assets from different parts of the world to develop the chassis. Holden has greater experience with modern RWD cars. To ignore this because of pride would be just plain wrong. Your car was assembled in Canada...is that humiliating? GM is a GLOBAL company.
Why?
-Too expensive
I think it's pretty safe to assume that Camaro will cost less than a GTO.
-Too heavy
Again, a Camaro would use a sigma-lite chassis, not the current GTO V-car chassis. In addition, Camaro may be on a shortened GTO chassis. Do you know how much it will weigh already? Nobody here does. Wait and see on this.
-Not enough options... (just a 6speed?)
Again, you seem to be using the current GTO as the basis for your assumptions. It will be redisigned.
---The above MUST be improved for it to work
I don't see why it wouldn't be improved in a redisign.
---Adding to that... IRS should be optional, not everyone wants it even though the majority does.
This is a big debate here, but most seem to agree that IRS is needed. IRS has an advantage in all but the 1/4 and VERY smooth road tracks.
-Personally I think the cost is what killed the car, now it will be even faster ( = worse insurance prices ) and the cars price will be higher from the start.
Out of all the reasons the car went away, price does not seem high on the list. The F-body went out as the best bang for the buck car in the industry...Period. Now if you wanted a decked out SS, well that's different. Also, insurance prices aren't HP/Performance dependent. Many people here have already posted instances when Mustang GT premiums were higher than the same model year Z28/Formula.
The camaro has always been a budget performance car, [I understand inflation exists, but] 33-34K is not budget in my opinion. You might as well just save a little more and buy a vette... gee another reason the camaro died in the first place
Like I said, GTO should be more expensive than a Camaro. And I'd hardly call a $13,000 price difference from GTO to Corvette insignificant.
If the camaro uses the gto frame the vette NEEDS to make some room for it, as in a vette needs to be more like the viper and GT.
i hope someone can prove me wrong.
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