Dyno day 7/27 at Dez racing

There is a F-body Dyno day at Dez's this Saturday in RI.Anyone here plan on going?

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12.84 at 108 1.93 60' with stock tires before Cam
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[This message has been edited by Slowhawk (edited July 22, 2002).]

Going to the show in Shrewsbury. How many dyno days can one go to anyway? Time to do something a bit different.

Slowhawk, Hows it going! Most of the guys already signed up for the August 10th date at NEDYNO.
http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum24/HTML/001806.html
Mrgto, I am tuning a few cars Saturday morning then I will be at the show in Shrewsbury also - should be a good turnout.

Dean
www.nedyno.com (http://www.nedyno.com)

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
There is a F-body Dyno day at Dez's this Saturday in RI.Anyone here plan on going?


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Ummmm, no



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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

Don you know Im gonna be there http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

Too bad, it's scheduled for the day of our car show.

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1/8 ET: 7.49
1/4 ET: 11.86
1/4 MPH: 112
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I can't make it, as I will be at the car show at Herberts in Shrewsbury. http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif

I will make it to New England Dyno on August 10th for another great event put on by Dean. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

John

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320.3 RWHP @5400 RPM 334.5 RWTQ @4400 RPM
Best 1/4 mile 13.258 @ 107.93 MPH. 60 FT = 2.132

WOW!!!!I guess love is short in this Forum http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

I don't have a full day to go the car show,and it doesn't help how far away it is either http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif
The dyno pulls are around $60 for as many as you need with A/F hook up.

Dean,I should be going to your Dyno day to hang out.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mrgto:
Going to the show in Shrewsbury. How many dyno days can one go to anyway? Time to do something a bit different. </font>

That's pretty harsh http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gifExpecially coming from you!!!!

I will be there !

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324.3 HP 337.8 TQ

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BOB

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
That's pretty harsh http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gifExpecially coming from you!!!!

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http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif
Can't you tell that I am just bitter that I have to sell my car? http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif On a side note, the garage started going up yesterday. So let me know if you need the lift anytime. I expect the whole thing to be done by Sept sometime.


[This message has been edited by mrgto (edited July 23, 2002).]

Hey, I'd love to go. Dean keeps scheduling stuff on race days too... Seem like every time there is a dyno day or feeding session I have a points race.

It is just how this year is working out. With two points days in one weekend and everyone pretty close in the points, I just can't afford not to go racing.

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1/8 ET: 7.49
1/4 ET: 11.86
1/4 MPH: 112
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Don you know Im gonna be there http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif </font>
I thought they (Dez) did the top end of your car and it hasn't run right since http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif as I recall you coming to the cz28.com board looking for a scan tool.

http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum24/HTML/001836.html

So what was wrong with it http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

Marc



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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

Marc, the notorious D.E.Z. and BCP did do the top-end on my car, and they did an excellent job!! The problem with the car is tuning. I had to send the PCM back to Ed Wright. hopefully this will be the last time. So its tuner related, not tech related http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 1st and goal:
Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Don you know Im gonna be there http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif </font>
I thought they (Dez) did the top end of your car and it hasn't run right since http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif as I recall you coming to the cz28.com board looking for a scan tool.

http://web.camaross.com/bb/Forum24/HTML/001836.html

So what was wrong with it http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif

Marc



That's a fast point of the finger.Dez did nothing wrong with the car.There is no problems with the work Dez did.There is problems with the tune.Could be the programming from Fastchip's or a bad sensor.You of all people should know about these problems on LT1's.Haven't seen your car out yet.All these problems take $$$$ to fix,and the $$ runs out fast.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Marc, the notorious D.E.Z. and BCP did do the top-end on my car, and they did an excellent job!! </font>

Glad to hear they treated you well http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif, wasn't sure what the problem was just knew it wasn't running right. I have not personally delt with Dez.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Marc, I had to send the PCM back to Ed Wright. hopefully this will be the last time. So its tuner related, not tech related http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif </font>

Is the PCM back yet?

Slowhawk,
Hopefully Ed Wright will get the tuning squared away and Chris's Z will run good for him so he can thrash some LS-1's http://web.camaross.com/bb/tongue.gif. I do understand about tuning issues on LT-1's. My Z is almost done, it takes time to fabricate everything as there are no bolt on coil pack setup's for LT-1's, also understand on the cashflow situation http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

Marc




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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

Wow Guys interesting post! Its cool that you have had good luck at Mike Dez's. We are not in competition with each other, as you guys seem to promote, as the majority of our business is tuning and engine building, which Dez does not do. As a matter of fact we have had customers of his come to us for tuning. I work well with quite a few shops in new england and am open to more.
There is plenty of room and customers for all of us!
Marc, I know your car is taking a little longer than expected, but we are the only shop in new england with the capability and resources to convert an optispark setup to a coil pack setup.

Dean
www.nedyno.com (http://www.nedyno.com)

Marc, we are still waiting for the PCM to return and thanks for the vote of confidence! Good to hear your ride is almost ready for action. When your all ready we will have to hook up for some tag-team action against the LS1's http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif Dean I think you have your facts crossed about Dez's. He does do tuning and engine building, in the past the majority of his customers have been Mustang owners but recently he has begun doing 4-gen f-bodies. Mike and Phil do this full-time and even go out and race their own car for points, not many shops do that. Those two guys have some serious cars under their belts that I couldnt even begin to list them. Now Dean Im not trying to badmouth NEdyno that is not my entention, im just trying to give those guys credit where credit is due.

Mike Dez has done tuning and has done engine building on Ford engines.
Mike has little experience in LT1/LT4 and LS1 motors.

Why would Tbryne have Mike do bolt on work on his car but then take it to Canada for ARE to build and tune the combination in his red Camaro?
That would send up a red flag with me. Tom Byrne is the biggest Camaro guy in MA. If he is packing up the car numerous time to drive to Canada that to me means something.
I wouldn't want my car to be a learning experience.

I have no entention of bad mouthing anyone here (Mike Dez, Tybrne, NEdyno) I'm just taking a few steps back and looking at the whole picture, thats what I see.

Rob

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 96Z28SS:
I'm just taking a few steps back and looking at the whole picture, thats what I see.
Rob</font>

&gt;Is that like seeing the "Big picture" ? http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif
I would love to see TByrnes Camaro dyno .
Later ... http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif
stay safe

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 96Z28SS:
Mike Dez has done tuning and has done engine building on Ford engines.
Mike has little experience in LT1/LT4 and LS1 motors.

Why would Tbryne have Mike do bolt on work on his car but then take it to Canada for ARE to build and tune the combination in his red Camaro?
That would send up a red flag with me. Tom Byrne is the biggest Camaro guy in MA. If he is packing up the car numerous time to drive to Canada that to me means something.
I wouldn't want my car to be a learning experience.

I have no entention of bad mouthing anyone here (Mike Dez, Tybrne, NEdyno) I'm just taking a few steps back and looking at the whole picture, thats what I see.

Rob</font>

I'm sorry to tell you this,but you don't know the story.No matter who did the work on Tbyrnes car,he was planning to take it to Nick to tune in.That is because Nick built his 409 and Tom felt very confident in Nicks ability to tune the car in properly.I've personally had Dez do work on my car and was very pleased with his work.I've also Dyno'd and bought parts from Dean and I'm very happy with his service.
What it all comes down to this isn't a war on shops.I like both and hope both do very good http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
I've personally had Dez do work on my car and was very pleased with his work.I've also Dyno'd and bought parts from Dean and I'm very happy with his service.
What it all comes down to this isn't a war on shops.I like both and hope both do very good http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Slowhawk:
What it all comes down to this isn't a war on shops.

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True, but Orange Krush's moma still wears combat boots http://web.camaross.com/bb/tongue.gif


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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 1st and goal:
True, but Orange Krush's moma still wears combat boots http://web.camaross.com/bb/tongue.gif
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Hey what's wrong with a female wearing combat boots ? we have a few at work that look absolutely awesome even with their combat boots on http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I don't know anything about the other dyno shop , but I can't wait to see Dean's Firebird in action (nice Hogan intake http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif )
Later ... http://web.camaross.com/bb/cool.gif
stay safe

Rob, Slowhawk is exactly right. The information we have isnt exactly public knowledge. I will just say that ARE is excellent at building 400+ ci motors, but the majority of his tuning experience is NA and direct port N20 cars, There arent many tuners who have experience with 409s with BIG blowers on them. I dont want to step on anyone's feet but the real question should be who is tuning the car now?

Big Blower http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gifIt's only a F1 pushing 16lbs of boost on a 409 motor http://web.camaross.com/bb/eek.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Rob, Slowhawk is exactly right. The information we have isnt exactly public knowledge. I will just say that ARE is excellent at building 400+ ci motors, but the majority of his tuning experience is NA and direct port N20 cars, There arent many tuners who have experience with 409s with BIG blowers on them. I dont want to step on anyone's feet but the real question should be who is tuning the car now? </font>

It will be interesting to see what happens when the tuning is done and who did the tuning.

You are absolutely correct in saying that there aren't many tuners who can tune big cube motors with big blowers.
I've been to NEDyno and seen numerous big cube motors with big blowers one that was running 29lbs of boost.
Also have seen them tune a twin turbo Mustang on the dyno to over 1000hp.

Rob

Rob check this out, its a similiar setup http://www.ls1tech.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000740 One more thing, I hope you dont think I was trying to put down anybody's shop. All Im saying is that both guys are very good at what they do.

NeedforSpd_Z,
If Mike Dez does do tuning and has a dyno why are you sending it out to Ed Wright for a mail order tune instead of getting a dyno tune from Mike?

I have never dealt with Mike DEZ so I can't comment on him personaly.I can however comment on my experience with NEDyno.I have had a great experience with Dean and his crew.Also he gives me such great deals on parts.No one can match the prices he gives me.

Was just curious if Mike is that good why are people sending thier cars to other shops for tuning or having it tuned by mail.

seeya
John

John, the main reason we had to send the PCM back is because Ed wright actually locks them now so you cant play with the tuning yourself.We changed just about everything on the car(motorwise) so just a dyno tune wouldnt fix the whole problem. We dynoed the car at Dez's and saw the big problems with the tuning(ungodly lean) We then sent Ed all our dyno information and based on that he had to re-do the PCM settings. In all the time I have dealt with Mike I have never seen anyone send their car to another shop for tuning, I know that Mike flashes custom PCMs, He has been doing for quite some time now. Also the mail order program was my idea(doh!) everyone I asked said send the PCM to ed he'll take care of you, and that he did. It just would have been alot easier if I let Dez do it, rather than sending the PCM out to Oklahoma a couple of times. Transit time is what is really holding me back, even after having it overnighted each time. But you know how this **** goes, nothing is ever smooth. Anyways hows your car coming along? Email me whats going on if you get the chance, talk to you then

Chris

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
John, the main reason we had to send the PCM back is because Ed wright actually locks them now so you cant play with the tuning yourself.
Chris</font>

What a **** !
Were you able to have him unlock it or will you have to continue to play this game with him (Ed)?

When do you think it will be back?

Good luck.
Marc




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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 1st and goal:
What a **** !
Were you able to have him unlock it or will you have to continue to play this game with him (Ed)?
When do you think it will be back?
Good luck.
Marc
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Marc I was able to have Ed unlock it, I sent it back to him on Tues(overnight of course) If they fixed it right away it should have been back by already http://web.camaross.com/bb/rolleyes.gif But I think they have been using it as a paperweight for the last few days. It should be here tommorrow though(sat delivery rules!) Then from tha point its just plug and play. Hey Marc hows the Z coming? Is that rocket going to be done before summer's over? or are we going to have to wait till next year to see the car in action? Hope all is well! Once you get that thing ready there are some L98 guys talking smack about us f-bodies, and you know we cant let that stand.

Chris

96Z28SS: Hum... how did I get dragged into this? I really don't have to explain anything to you and wonder why some guys are so quiet in person but their fingers do alot of talking on the keyboard (just a general comment http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif ) I don't see Mike doing bolt on work to the Z. We don't do welding here and they have an excellent welder that can come in and take care of things. He did an excellent job welding the bypass. I also needed some custom fabrication done when the F1 went on. That was being done the same time that an extension was being put on the building so it was alot easier to have Mike take care of it. ARE built the motor that is in the car so that is a good reason to see them for tuning. Other shops in the country also visit them for the same thing. I'm here today for an ATI install so there isn't a new "learning experience" (hope this helps you sleep better http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif ).

It doesn't really matter who tunes the car it's the end result that is important. The car made 672hp yesterday and it's far from being finished. I'm aiming for 700+ before tapping into the carbon fiber bottle that is mounted in the hatch.

NEDYNO and Dez Racing both do good work. Some people make this into a big competition when it really isn't. We all have respect for eachother and that's what counts. Dez is know for being a "Mustang Guy" but he is trying to shed that image. They do alot of work with Fords but have no problem working on or tuning GM cars if needed. Dean pretty much covers everything and has a very nice ignition upgrade that the LT1 guys might want to check out.

Take care,
Tom


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Tom, I don't know why your mad at me or directed your post towards me, I got in this thread way after people already started comparing shop to shop.
I just wondered why you would have Mike do work on the car and not the tuning, when other people here(needforspd_Z) said he was capable of tuning GM cars.
It was just my opinion and my assumption when I looked at things.
Thanks for clarifing, but next time try to get in the thread earlier so that it doesn't get out of hand.

Rob

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NeedforSpd_Z:
Marc I was able to have Ed unlock it, I sent it back to him on Tues(overnight of course) It should be here tommorrow though(sat delivery rules!)

Hey Marc hows the Z coming?
Chris</font>

Chris,
Did you get it back in time to dyno ?

My Z is making progress http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I'll be sure to let you (and my boy Orange Slush) know when it's done http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

So how'd you guys do http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif as Tom is the only one to post how he did.

Marc



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94 Z/28, 383 D-1

Marc's Blown 94 Z/28 (http://www.geocities.com/marc94z/) "Want it, Have it, Have it, Want it"

Rob,
I might have taken things wrong and if so I apologize for that. Most of my comments were just general statements. We're been running about 3-4 weeks out in installation work plus I've had way to much to do and not even close to enough time to do as much work to my own vehicles as I want to. My "quiet time" to do my own work is usually between midnight and 3am http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

There was alot of discussion between myself, Mike and a shop in N.J. We were trying to figure out which way to go with the programming for this car. Tossed around the idea of scrapping the factory PCM and even had the parts to do it (minus the crank trigger) but I decided against that after speaking with Nick at ARE. They said that they could tune the factory computer to run with this combo and also keep it very driveable. So they were the people that were chosen to do the computer work. The programmer that they have is very knowledgeable and did a good job with it.

Alot of cars that come together (shop cars or personal) are usually a team effort. We all use our experience to decide what will be the best way to go with many different products and to make it all work together.

I just re-read you post 3 times and see that I did take it a little out of context. Again I apologize.

Tom

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by 1st and goal:
Chris,
Did you get it back in time to dyno ?

My Z is making progress http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif I'll be sure to let you (and my boy Orange Slush) know when it's done http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif

So how'd you guys do http://web.camaross.com/bb/confused.gif as Tom is the only one to post how he did.

Marc

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Marc the PCM didnt make it back in time http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif as usual. The PCM just showed up today, and tommorrow she's got the dyno all to herself. Hopefully Ed fixed all the "bugs" in the programming. Good to hear you are almost ready!! I cant wait to see the beast in action again. Seems like nothing has went smooth for either of us, lately that seems to be the name of the game http://web.camaross.com/bb/frown.gif Well theres still a month left in the summer lets hope we can still get some track time! http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif