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Old Jan 2, 2004 | 02:26 AM
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Next Gen Camaro Built in the US?

Just wondering out of all the rumors about the next generation Camaro....will it be built in the US again???? Is this the reason why the St. Therese Plant was shut down? For a return to production at a new, US plant?

Just tossing up discussion here, what do you all think?
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 02:52 AM
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I heard it was going to be built in Canada at the Oshawa Ontario plant along with the next GTO and Buick variant.
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 04:48 AM
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I hope it's built here.
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 08:10 AM
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Canada builds the best quality GM vehicles in the world!
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 08:51 AM
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Huh, I thought the new plant for the GTO (and Camaro) was going to be in the US but maybe not. I guess it doesn't matter too much, just as long as the cars are good.
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 02:17 PM
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The Oshawa Ontario plant was mentioned by guionM When he first officially announced the Camaro would return a few weeks ago. GM said the GTO would be built in North America, they didn’t specifically say USA. I also imagine it would help smooth things over with the CAW if GM gave them back a high production plant after taking away the jobs at St. Therese Plant.
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by stars1010
The Oshawa Ontario plant was mentioned by guionM When he first officially announced the Camaro would return a few weeks ago.
I believe the Camaro will return and always look forward to GuionM's posts but I dont know if I'd consider his announcement "official".
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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Nope...Australia...
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 06:30 PM
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They should build it here, let those countries build their own version of an "F-Body"...
But as long as Canadians will agree to work so cheaply(roughly 1/2 our wages) and take concessions and cuts, GM will keep it there...NOT Flaming Canadians, just think "their work is worth more than their pay!"..
(None of these savings to the companies find their way to the price tag.. )
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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(None of these savings to the companies find their way to the price tag.. )
Sure they do. Cost savings in purchased parts and assembly efficiency have allowed GM to offer incentives of almost $4000 per vehicle over the last year or so. This has contributed to the net cost of new vehicles declining for the last few years.

If Camaro comes to Oshawa, what leaves-- Impala, GP, or Buick W-body? Would they not need a dedicated line for a completely different RWD vehicle?
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 09:41 PM
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Oshawa eh?? lol! Nice! I'm right next to there Eh?
Old Jan 2, 2004 | 11:42 PM
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No, the Economy has contributed to the declining prices and increased incentives, which are bogus for the most part anyways. They'll give you incentives, if you pay sticker...Come On...

I think they would need a dedicated line for that drastic of difference, it would be very confusing with all the different parts bins and special tools needed for assembly. Not saying it could'nt be done but the margin for error would increase and quality would suffer, especially "First Time Quality"...I'm a U.A.W. assembler.

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Old Jan 3, 2004 | 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by stars1010
The Oshawa Ontario plant was mentioned by guionM When he first officially announced the Camaro would return a few weeks ago. GM said the GTO would be built in North America, they didn’t specifically say USA. I also imagine it would help smooth things over with the CAW if GM gave them back a high production plant after taking away the jobs at St. Therese Plant.
I don't believe I'm in any position to "officially" announce anything, from GM or anyone else for that matter. I appriciate the vote of confidence, but please don't look at what I post that way.

The post I made came from a J.D. Powers report that tracks sales, trends, market reports, and also upcoming cars. This is a report that legally get information before any auto publications do (GM actually has it's product plans in place a MINIMUM of 2 years in advance.

Regarding Oshawa, I posted some time ago that the Oshawa plant was apparently going to be the place where GM's RWD cars were going to be made, disproving my early assumption of the Detroit-Hammarck plant.

Recapping, GM-Holden of Australia was was pretty much developing GM's RWD chassis. They got the job because of their amazing ability to cheaply produce a wide range of vehicles using the same components on a single assembly line. GM-NA's plan was to use that ability to produce volume RWD vehicles here in the US. Since it's going to take time to get the public accustomed to RWD again, initial RWD vehicles GM planned aren't of high enough volume to warrant individual plants. However, making a series of cars on one line with the same componets is feasible and can expand GM's portfolio with minimal investment.

I initially came to the conclusion that Hammarck was going to be the plant GM would use because they moved all the cars to that plant that were scheduled to be discontinued around the same time. These cars were also scheduled to be replaced with RWD models, so 1+1=2.

Since then, it came to my attention that plans were being drawn up for Oshawa to be the plant that would make GM's upcoming RWD platform.

In short, this means GM's RWD performance chassis (which is what it was called in GM's own press release about a year ago) will in all probability be made at Oshawa Canada.

At the moment, barring any national economic meltdown:

*The restyled FWD Impala and Monte Carlo will be out next calender year with V8s.

*Solstice, Curve, Lightning, and a Chevy product will be made in Maryland starting in about a year to a year and a half for 2006 MY.

*GM's performance coupes for Buick, Pontiac, and Chevrolet will begin production in Canada in just over 2 years for the 2007 MY.

*RWD Impala is tentatively scheduled for the 2008MY.

*Holden will be producing at least one, and very very probably 2 cars for Chevrolet as soon as VE production begins. The new El Camino (if US/AS trade agreement regarding trucks is approved) and the return of the Chevrolet Caprice (filling the void of the exported GTO, which is going to be made in North America next round).
Old Jan 3, 2004 | 10:39 PM
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So basically we're gonna have another Gen NOT built in the US, correct? It's better than nothing, but I still don't like it.
Old Jan 3, 2004 | 11:02 PM
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Why does that matter? Canada also builds alot of other GM vehicles.



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