More news on C6

Not much new, but good news nonetheless.. this is from autoextremist.com

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Corvette, GM. Our little item from last week's issue, which described the juicy details of the next generation C6 Corvette lit up the Corvette forums and message boards, apparently, so we thought we'd add some more fuel to the fire. First of all, Corvette aficionados have no idea how much better the new Corvette is. It's a significant step forward in literally every worthwhile measure - performance, handling, fit, finish, structural integrity, quality and overall "feel." And it looks far better in person than the San Francisco spy photos would indicate. The new car has a more taut look because of its overall shorter length, but it also has an improved road "presence" to go along with it. And the 400HP standard horsepower figure was arrived at purposely - so as not to turn off current ZO6 owners. As for the upcoming high-performance ZO6 version of the new C6, there is wild speculation on the Corvette forums that it will feature extensive use of carbon fiber body work - and that is just not true. The horsepower figure for the next ZO6 (500HP) is dead accurate, and the price range (around $60,000) is etched in stone, but the carbon fiber body work will be reserved for the rumored "Super Corvette" - code named "Blue Devil" - the 625HP monster Corvette that is designed to compete with the likes of the Porsche Carrera GT, the Mercedes-Benz SLR and the Ford GT - all for a target price of around $100,000. This is not only great news for Corvette enthusiasts, it says volumes about what's going on at GM right now. They've finally taken the gloves off and appear to be committed to building the finest high-performance cars that they know how to build - and they're doing it virtually across their entire divisional lineup. They've certainly had the capability for years - now they finally seem to be intent on living up to it.

That's a good endorsement from DeLorenzo, and he should be in the know, imo

Originally posted by WERM
...but the carbon fiber body work will be reserved for the rumored "Super Corvette" - code named "Blue Devil" - the 625HP monster Corvette that is designed to compete with the likes of the Porsche Carrera GT, the Mercedes-Benz SLR and the Ford GT...


I can't help but smile every time I read about this beast. :D

And the best part about the "Blue Devil" is that it will be way cheaper than all of those including the Ford GT. That's what I'm talking about!

everytime i read good news, i smile, cause it can only mean good thing for the fbody :D

I like the idea of a Super Vette...but $100k?

Better be a super, super Vette :) That's steep change...then again, why the hell would anyone care what I have to say about it...I'll never buy a Vette anyways :)

Well, when the ZR1 came out, wasn't that option as much as the car was?

I can see that I am going to have to own one of those Blue Devils someday.

I really wonder if it will be able to hold its own with the Porsche Carrera GT and the Mercedes-Benz SLR. That's a pretty HUGE statement!

just take a look at the C-5 'R' and I think I would call that a super vette..and would be a great attack plan for the C6 :D

and call it STINGRAY!!!

Guys, the reason for "Blue Devil" is the homologation rules in with ACO/FiA.

There were several made with C5R bodywork and the C5R engines back in 1999, etc. etc. Those sold for around $325,000 a peice, I don't think the new ones will go for much cheaper.

Originally posted by WERM
The new car has a more taut look because of its overall shorter length, but it also has an improved road "presence" to go along with it.

Thats what I've been saying from the beginning. If GM ever wants to sell more Corvettes, they have to give it a little more "presence" on the road. When I first saw the first spy shots, I knew they did the right thing :)

A $100K vette. Gaawd

I'll never be able to afford one. I never even got past 4th grade.

Stupidity? I dunno, people spend $200,000 on a 400hp Ferrari, why not spend the same on a 650hp race prepped Corvette? The 10 or so that were made for the homologation sold for over $300,000 a peice.

Originally posted by hp_nut
A $100K vette. Gaawd

Will the stoopidity ever end?

So exactly why would it be stupid to produce a $100,000 625 HP Corvette but the $150,000 500 HP Ford GT makes perfect sense? :confused: Getting nervous Ford Fan? ;)

You don't have the money, you obviously won't buy it. I think it'd be awesome if GM did it, the bragging rights alone are worth it IMO.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
So exactly why would it be stupid to produce a $100,000 625 HP Corvette but the $150,000 500 HP Ford GT makes perfect sense? :confused: Getting nervous Ford Fan? ;)



Not only that... but a $100,000 CORVETTE doesn't make sense to him.... but a $55,000 MUSTANG does?!?!

The definition of "double standard"...

Originally posted by hp_nut
A $100K vette. Gaawd

Will the stoopidity ever end?


Yes, GM wants to build the Fastest Super car on the street for the lowest amount of Money. What a bunch of jerks :rolleyes:

Next thing you know they will be trying to sell us RWD V8 cars for under $30,000, when will the madness end. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Larnach
Stupidity? I dunno, people spend $200,000 on a 400hp Ferrari, why not spend the same on a 650hp race prepped Corvette? The 10 or so that were made for the homologation sold for over $300,000 a peice.

I missed reading your post above about the homologation rule as the basis for the supervette. That actually makes a half wit of sense. The buyers will be getting the exact same car as the race circuit of what will probably 30-40 cars total. There's no way around selling a $100K vette to get to race.


Originally posted by Z28Wilson
So exactly why would it be stupid to produce a $100,000 625 HP Corvette but the $150,000 500 HP Ford GT makes perfect sense? Getting nervous Ford Fan?

You don't have the money, you obviously won't buy it. I think it'd be awesome if GM did it, the bragging rights alone are worth it IMO.

If we're talking ZL1 streetcar instead of racing regulation C6R, then a $100K vette is the biggest ripoff since the Ford Cobra R, which at least had racing homologation as a legit basis for selling it.

For $100K you're getting the same $45K mass produced chassis, plastic body and interior as the regular joe and his base C6. In short, it's still JUST a vette.

It sure as hell ain't a handcrafted exotic like the GT or Ferrari. It's not even Mercedes AMG or Porsche class. It's just a $45K vette with a $55K drivetrain option. Hell just buy a C6 for $45K(not to mention all the incentives) and go to Lingenfelter and get the $30K twin turbo package and you'll still be ahead by $25K. He warranties out his packages for 3/36 too. Last I checked there's no Roush or Saleen package to turn a Mustang into a Ford GT. Get my drift? Why spend supercar dollars on a regular car? Go buy the real thing.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Not only that... but a $100,000 CORVETTE doesn't make sense to him.... but a $55,000 MUSTANG does?!?!

The definition of "double standard"...

Man where do you get this stuff? I don't believe I have ever said a $55K stang makes any sense. I'm guessing you want to believe against all hope the '06 Cobra will come out around there. Sorry to dissappoint you, but it won't be anywhere near that. Try low $40s, a few grand less than a base C6, which it will easily outperform.

Then again maybe you're referring to the '00 Cobra R. The biggest ripoff of the '90s easily. A $100K production vette would set the new standard of ripoff for this decade.

i doubt they will change NOTHING but the drivetrain for that extra 55, thats insane.

Dont be insane please.

Originally posted by Tony Danza
i doubt they will change NOTHING but the drivetrain for that extra 55, thats insane.

Dont be insane please.

Extreme maybe but not insane;)

Well i love to speculate as much as the next guy but the ZL1 Vette is a long way off and probably still a longshot.

I will say this I hope people here don't think the ZL1 with 625hp and twin turbo's will be built at Bowling Green. These cars won't be like the ZR1 or Z06. They will be hand crafted by a seperate company with major racing components. There won't be very much "Corvette" left in the car. So while $100K is steep yes, its not for a street built race car.

Now lets talk about the article and what info we seem to have in the bag.
400hp "base" C6 with a curb weight @3100. Thats impressive. If true then GM has cut about 150lb's from the car as compared to a C5. Ironicly thats very close to the current Z06 specs, in power and weight. If the Gen IV engine produces more torque at lower rpm or a fatter power curve than the LS6 then we could very well see the base C6 run atleast as good if not better then the current Z06.

C6 Z06, if the C6 base model is at 3100 then its certanly possible to get the new Z06 down to 3000lb's, factor in 500hp and the prescription is written for some serious performance. And all of a sudden the Ford GT has got some competition for half the price.

Maybe the ZL1 will get flip-ups. :D It's so funny watching the F*rd guys not wanna get outdone once again. :D

I thought that the word on the street was that the super Vette would get a bunch of carbon fiber body panels.

Originally posted by hp_nut
... I don't believe I have ever said a $55K stang makes any sense. I'm guessing you want to believe against all hope the '06 Cobra will come out around there. Sorry to dissappoint you, but it won't be anywhere near that. Try low $40s, a few grand less than a base C6, which it will easily outperform.... A $100K production vette would set the new standard of ripoff for this decade. Then Ford had better do its homework because Hot Rod just put their latest incarnation of the Mustang Cobra up against the Subaru WRX STi and it got waxed! (See pg. 19 of the January 2004 issue of Hot Rod.) http://www.hotrod.com/toc/113_0310_toc/ Talk about ripoffs!?! :D

Ford's going after Corvette with the Cobra? Hmmmm. Better aim a little lower boys. :p

the fact that the vette is 100k isnt really THAT steap if you think about it, Its a limited edition car. Sure u can get a TT LPE car but thats not Limited Edition anyone with cash can get it. You gotta put in prespective. Yeah you can build a car that will out perform it for less but then again its NOT the blue devil... I can build a car that will own a Diablo but costs less the half of it, But why do people get diablos - Cuz they are diablos! It falls under the same category Its not just the performance that attracts gotta look at it the right way. Also what are vipers going for these days? 80k? Id spend the extra 20 to get the extra HP CF and that nice little bowtie on it

Whole lotta open ended speculation here. A $100K TT ZL1 and a $40-55K 06 Cobra. Those are both a long way off. You can't possibly argue over things that have yet to happen. Who knows what will happen before that. When I worked at GM design from 99-02 we had lots of ideas and programs that were actually being worked on but never became anything. Sept 11th didn't help matters either.

I guess we should be thankfull we have these cars to debate over. We all coulda been driving hybrids or SUV's...

Originally posted by hp_nut

For $100K you're getting the same $45K mass produced chassis, plastic body and interior as the regular joe and his base C6. In short, it's still JUST a vette.


My friend says you're a dumbass, the body is fiberglass, not plastic. :p

For the power you get, I don't see why $100,000 is that high compared to other similar performing cars they are going after. Take the name stigma you have of the vette and shove it.......:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jg95z28
Then Ford had better do its homework because Hot Rod just put their latest incarnation of the Mustang Cobra up against the Subaru WRX STi and it got waxed! (See pg. 19 of the January 2004 issue of Hot Rod.) http://www.hotrod.com/toc/113_0310_toc/ Talk about ripoffs!?! :D

Ford's going after Corvette with the Cobra? Hmmmm. Better aim a little lower boys. :p

Sorry bro, your linkee no givee story. I'll have to pony up for the mag to know whether your claim is bull**** or not. But I'll take your word for it and assume that cobra was driven at low 13s.:rolleyes:

Now here's some real numbers for you: 12.9@111. That's what one of the big 3 no driving car rags got out of the Cobra. Better than any of them has ever wrung out of a C5. Now quit yer cryin. School's out.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1881&page_number=2


Originally posted by AJ1978TA
My friend says you're a dumbass, the body is fiberglass, not plastic. :p

For the power you get, I don't see why $100,000 is that high compared to other similar performing cars they are going after. Take the name stigma you have of the vette and shove it.......:rolleyes:

Huh, funny cuz my kid says you're mullet wearing dumbass redneck from the wrong part of the woods. Oh wait your website says that too.

Really? the vette is made out of fiberglass? When did they change to that?

For the power you get, I don't see why $55,000 is that high for a 500hp Cobra compared to other similar performing cars they are going after.

See how stupid that sounds? It's still JUST a mustang. And it's still JUST a vette.

Originally posted by hp_nut

Huh, funny cuz my kid says you're mullet wearing dumbass redneck from the wrong part of the woods. Oh wait your website says that too.


You know, I can understand a tongue-in-cheek flame once in a while, but you are acting like an ass on a fairly consistant basis, and losing what little credibility you had around here. This is not the only thread in which you have been acting like this.

If you have a differing opinion, so be it, but don't flame people personally. We have a good forum here, we don't need an infusion of second graders.

It seems like kiddie school let out for Christmas break early, and half of them stopped here to refill their bottles and change their diapers... :rolleyes:

EDIT: You aren't the only one... it's just that after reading about 5 posts of flames, I got to yours and decided to post about it. lol.

Originally posted by hp_nut

If we're talking ZL1 streetcar instead of racing regulation C6R, then a $100K vette is the biggest ripoff since the Ford Cobra R, which at least had racing homologation as a legit basis for selling it.

For $100K you're getting the same $45K mass produced chassis, plastic body and interior as the regular joe and his base C6. In short, it's still JUST a vette.

It sure as hell ain't a handcrafted exotic like the GT or Ferrari. It's not even Mercedes AMG or Porsche class. It's just a $45K vette with a $55K drivetrain option. Hell just buy a C6 for $45K(not to mention all the incentives) and go to Lingenfelter and get the $30K twin turbo package and you'll still be ahead by $25K. He warranties out his packages for 3/36 too. Last I checked there's no Roush or Saleen package to turn a Mustang into a Ford GT. Get my drift? Why spend supercar dollars on a regular car? Go buy the real thing.





go buy and honda, put in a better engine, and twin turbos. that will be cheaper :rolleyes: