can i beat a mark8?

the mark8 (bone stock)

R/T: 1.391
60': 2.249
330: 6.515
1/8: 9.946
MPH: 71.76
1000: 12.869
1/4: 15.333
MPH: 92.38

me: (cutout, and getting CAI)

R/T: .652
60': 2.206
330: 6.175
1/8: 9.457
MPH: 75.26
1000: 12.288
1/4: 14.696
MPH: 94.19

I know I can take him off the roll obviously, but my friend says he'll take me up top (75+)

who do you think will win? i'd say i'll even pull a bit more after the FIPK...

so what do you think? he has a cobra engine in there (the older year obivously)

it'll be a friendly race, but there is alot of trash talking going on too :)

You'll get him top and bottom. I'm pretty sure they weigh close to 4000lbs, could be wrong though. so, go race him and tell us what happens ;)

If that mark VIII beats your car, sell it........

Youre trapping 94 mph?
Where the hell are you racing at .... Colorado Mile High Dragway?
:lol:


You should still beat him easily.

yeah, my car is having issues right now, i might have either bad front o2s, or clogged cats, or something with timing/ignition, or picking up false knock... i need to fix all that before i race him anyways...

You'll beat the MKVIII. My dad has one, and it's one nice car. He's dispatched a couple wise guys in his day, but i think you can take a car like that cause even tho it has 290 hp and you got 280, he's a lot heavier. I never gave my dad a ride in my car yet - but I bet he would s___ his pants and have a whole different attitude towards his 290 hp car and the recklessness of his only son. Of course, my car hasn't seen 290 hp in a few years...

Well i have a 93 Mark VIII and it will surprise you.It pulls like crazy on topend.You will probably take him just dont underestimate the mark.I have surpised many cars with my OLD MAN lincoln.Also 4.10s make a huge difference with them.

A M8 doesn't have a cobra motor.
Yes it is 32V but not the same. I don't
think its a 4 cam. They say intech or something
like that, not a SVT motor. A luxury car is designed
for that. Its gears, weight, torque curve are all
designed in a manner that isn't for a drag race because
who really is buyint it for that. It's like a Cad STS.
Sure it has HP but not in the same form. Its for
highway passing.

Actually you are very wrong.They are all 32 V DOHC motors with alot in common with the cobra motor.I used to think that these cars werent anything special until i drove one.These suckers go very well and have a ton of power on top end.Visit markviii.org to find out more about them.Just dont underestimate them.

Actually, the motor in the Mark VIII is the same as the cobra motor except for the intake manifold. I think the 4 valve 4.6 motor first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1995, one year before it was put in the Cobra.

John

there used to be a guy at our local track that had a mark 8 with gears, full exhaust, shift kit, and I believe a 50 shot, and he would run 13.7's all night long, pretty impressive for such a heavy car ;)

Actually the DOHC 4.6 debuted in the 93 MK 8 (which i own).The car is very heavy but handles quite well for its size.I have run many cars on bottom and top end and get many surprised looks when they see the lincoln badge on the rear.

Hello everyone.
Firstly I would like to say nice site. My name is Gene Angelino, owner/operator Lincolnmotorsport East Coast Operations.

I found this thread while reading another related thread on our Lincoln Club Message board and felt I should chime in and let you Guy's know a little about the Lincoln Mark VIII.

The bone stock 1993-1995 Mark VIII's run a consistent 14.60 @97 mph all day long.

Thats weighing in at 4100 lbs with driver and an open end 3.07 gearing too.

The 96-98's run a little slower usually in the 15.00/15.10 range at 95-96 mph. This is due to a softer more Luxurious transmission programming and terrible timing programming on the engine tuning side.

This is corrected with the proper chip so the 96-98's can also be made to run nearly as well as the 93-95's.


They respond unbelieveably well to minor bolt-on's.
I run 13.40's @102 and change, with basically our chip, mass air kit, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, QuadX exhaust system, MSD 12.5mm Experimental wires, Metal Matrix Carbon Composite driveshaft, PI 3500 stall 9.5 inch lock-up converter, poly urethane IRS carrier bushings, 4.10 gears with an Auburn posi unit and a few other mod's.

Click this link for more on "King Mark The VIIIth"

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/press/#

Then click the November 2000 Issue.

This is good for those times all while getting 29/30 mpg on the highway.

Don't think for a second a Mark VIII cannot put some Camaro's to shame.

Here's our Baddest Mark yet. This is Chris Kaiser's of Lincolnmotorsport West our Vegas Location. This car is over 600 hp.

http://www.maxrpm.com/beastfront.jpg

This is my car, The TerminVIIIor" formerly "King Mark The VIIIth"

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/tag19a.jpg

The Mark VIII engine differs from the Cobra only in the crank, exhaust cams, oil pan, oil filter adapter, windage tray and intake manifold.

Heres a few other Misc pictures.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/tag14.jpg

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/tag16.jpg

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/tag17.jpg

http://www.maxrpm.com/y2ktag10.jpg

If you really want to be freaked out by our SuperMark, which has 3 EEC's, 16 (Sixteen) 24lb injectors and two 80mm mass air meters feeding an Eaton with an aftercooler at 12 lbs of boost then click here:

http://www.lincolnsclub.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=309&forum=DCForumID12

Check this out too.

http://www.lincolnsclub.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=read_count&om=321&forum=DCForumID12

Well I hope this sheds some light on what probobly is the most "Misunderstood Muscle car" ever made.

Most of all just make sure you think twice before you line up with a Mark VIII, especially if it has a Lincolnmotorsport decal on the 1/4 window.

Enjoy.


http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/MarkVIII/graphics/mark8emblem.jpg

I don't think he was saying he can beat ALL mark 8's, but the original thread was refering to a stock mark 8. :D . Come to think of it, i don't think i've ever seen a modded mark 8 :think:

I know I was jsut providing some info on the cars and having fun.

If you have never seen a modded Mark VIII then checkout our Mark VIII phot Gallery.

Take care, Geno.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
I know I was jsut providing some info on the cars and having fun.

If you have never seen a modded Mark VIII then checkout our Mark VIII phot Gallery.

Take care, Geno.

although you do gotta love a blown v8 :bow: Your car looks pretty badass I might say :thumb:

Thanks.

Thought I'd pop in and say hello. I read about this over on the Mark VIII site, as well.

Don't discount the Mark. I've taken, and I've been handed my rear by your cars. My Mark VIII is not stock, and it is no pushover. Stock car to stock car, yours will win the race. Modded Mark to stock, we more than have a chance. Just remember, what is now called the "Cobra" drivetrain by Ford, originated and was designed for this car.

In the race for the single lane onto 575 south in Woodstock, Georgia (a little over 1/4 mile), I challenged a four nostril TA for the single lane and beat him by four car lengths. I was doing +-120 when I merged onto 575 shortly thereafter. On the other hand, I have been shamed by other Fs off the line, but they had more up the sleeve than was advertised.

In short, the Mark is not as strong off the line, as there is a definite cubic inch/torque disadvantage. However, the Mark (when set up with the proper shift points and tuning out of the mush shift) is a high spinning brute that often overtakes the Fbodies on the high end.

Now, back to your regular programming... :D

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
A M8 doesn't have a cobra motor.
Yes it is 32V but not the same. I don't
think its a 4 cam. They say intech or something
like that, not a SVT motor. A luxury car is designed
for that. Its gears, weight, torque curve are all
designed in a manner that isn't for a drag race because
who really is buyint it for that. It's like a Cad STS.
Sure it has HP but not in the same form. Its for
highway passing.

Just to elaborate... The Cobra has a Lincoln engine and driveline. This driveline/engine combo originally was designed for the Mark, and only five years later was Ford allowed to market it in the Mustang, calling it a "Cobra". The only differences are the improvements made to the line over ten years, and a forged crankshaft. It is a four cammer, 4.6 l 32V engine. "Intech" is just a BS marketing term to make it comparable to a "Northstar" caddy. Weight of my car, unloaded of all the BS for my job... 3800 lbs.

The small matter of a chip turns the Lincoln Mark VIII into a tough competitor by tuning out the slush shifts, eliminating flat spots in the torque curve, and placing the rev limiter higher into 6500 range. (Among other things.) Then changing the intake and exhaust really make it meaner! Yes, I bought the car for that, and only now do the insurance companies realize it.

Originally posted by Mark 8
Thought I'd pop in and say hello. I read about this over on the Mark VIII site, as well.

Don't discount the Mark. I've taken, and I've been handed my rear by your cars. My Mark VIII is not stock, and it is no pushover. Stock car to stock car, yours will win the race. Modded Mark to stock, we more than have a chance. Just remember, what is now called the "Cobra" drivetrain by Ford, originated and was designed for this car.

In the race for the single lane onto 575 south in Woodstock, Georgia (a little over 1/4 mile), I challenged a four nostril TA for the single lane and beat him by four car lengths. I was doing +-120 when I merged onto 575 shortly thereafter. On the other hand, I have been shamed by other Fs off the line, but they had more up the sleeve than was advertised.

In short, the Mark is not as strong off the line, as there is a definite cubic inch/torque disadvantage. However, the Mark (when set up with the proper shift points and tuning out of the mush shift) is a high spinning brute that often overtakes the Fbodies on the high end.

Now, back to your regular programming... :D

Welcome to the board! What mods on your Mark? It's a good idea to create a signature for this stuff.

Yea, Mark VIII's are pretty nice, I have a buddy with a 95(I think). He has plans for some basic mods, it's going to be his daily driver. I think there is a higher probability of me meeting a girl with a penis growing out of her forehead than running a heavily modded Mark VIII on the interstate though.

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
me meeting a girl with a penis growing out of her forehead


:barf: :shock: That is one girl I hope no NEVER meet!

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
I think there is a higher probability of me meeting a girl with a penis growing out of her forehead than running a heavily modded Mark VIII on the interstate though.


:lol: that just makes me laugh

I don't understand the intech/northstar comparison.
What other car uses a Nothstar V8, or some variation
of it. That is a Gen II not a Gen III Basicly the
whole northstar thing refers to its features such
as being able to run without oil pressure for a short
time.

Also how was it that they gave it to the mustang
and called it a Cobra as you say years later
when the cobra has been out since the 5.0
days when your car was a mark7 also with a 5.0

I don't know if I'm missing something, please fill
me in. My original reply was about how the stocker
was not setup for any real performance but for
comfort and top end passing and have yet to be
shown otherwise and I think any v8 car can be modded
to be as fast as you pocket allows, look at Impala SS
and Caprices running 11/12's.

Wouldn't you agree that the M8's direct rival
would be an Eldorado? The thread started asking
if a 97 T/A could beat a stock M8.

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
Yea, Mark VIII's are pretty nice, I have a buddy with a 95(I think). He has plans for some basic mods, it's going to be his daily driver. I think there is a higher probability of me meeting a girl with a penis growing out of her forehead than running a heavily modded Mark VIII on the interstate though.

Oh man make sure to have him hit me up for the mods. Thats all we do here at LMS.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/track3.jpg

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
[B]I don't understand the intech/northstar comparison.
What other car uses a Nothstar V8, or some variation
of it. That is a Gen II not a Gen III Basicly the
whole northstar thing refers to its features such
as being able to run without oil pressure for a short
time.


That is just a feature of the named "Northstar" engine program.


Also how was it that they gave it to the mustang
and called it a Cobra as you say years later
when the cobra has been out since the 5.0
days when your car was a mark7 also with a 5.0


It was the 32 valve 4 cam version that the Cobra didn't recieve until 1996 for the first time, the cobra also didnt recieve the IRS rear until 1999. The Mark VIII had both of these first since 1993.


I don't know if I'm missing something, please fill
me in. My original reply was about how the stocker
was not setup for any real performance but for
comfort and top end passing and have yet to be
shown otherwise and I think any v8 car can be modded
to be as fast as you pocket allows, look at Impala SS
and Caprices running 11/12's.


The stock 1993-1995 Mark VIII's will run 14.60's at 97 mph all day long. Thats pretty damn fast for a 4000 pound car with an open end rear with 3.07 gears.
Id say that is pretty friggin fast.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Oh man make sure to have him hit me up for the mods. Thats all we do here at LMS.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/track3.jpg

He might be on there already. Eduncan911 is the name he would probably post under. He knows a lot about modular motors, he forged and rebuilt the one in his 96 cobra, and that car is wicked! He's now running an ATI D1SC procharger on it plus Kook's headers, MSD ignition, upgraded front mount, viper spec six speed etc etc etc.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
I don't understand the intech/northstar comparison.
What other car uses a Nothstar V8, or some variation
of it. That is a Gen II not a Gen III Basicly the
whole northstar thing refers to its features such
as being able to run without oil pressure for a short
time.

The powers that be at Lincoln had a "me too" marketing scheme by naming the Lincoln engine something "catchy" to compete with the Caddy. Intech really does not mean anything except having it on the rear trunk lid.

Also how was it that they gave it to the mustang
and called it a Cobra as you say years later
when the cobra has been out since the 5.0
days when your car was a mark7 also with a 5.0

You are confused. The Mark VII is a completely different car, and it did have a 5.0 l cast iron engine. The Cobra Mustang had that HO 5.0 engine until 1996 (I think). In 1997, the Ford SVT Cobra was allowed to use the Lincoln 4.6 DOHC engine developed for the Mark VIII. The Cobra was outfitted with a forged crank (People tend to hop up Cobras, whereas they were not supposed to be hopping up Lincolns.), a different intake manifold, and other minor evolutionary changes.

I don't know if I'm missing something, please fill
me in. My original reply was about how the stocker
was not setup for any real performance but for
comfort and top end passing and have yet to be
shown otherwise and I think any v8 car can be modded
to be as fast as you pocket allows, look at Impala SS
and Caprices running 11/12's.

My Stock Mark ran 14.5 at 99 constistently before any mods completed. That's pretty darned good. And it is better than many Fbodies can do. However, the car really comes into its own with some intake work, true dual exhausts, getting rid of the 80 pound "waterheater" mufflers, and a chip to recalibrate the shift points and the sliding shifts. That's not big money.

Bottom line: There are not many Fbodies or Mustangs around that wish to tangle with me at a stoplight.

Wouldn't you agree that the M8's direct rival
would be an Eldorado? The thread started asking
if a 97 T/A could beat a stock M8.

No. The Eldo is a different kind of car altogether. Front Wheel drive for a start. I would not have one.

http://www.idtags.biz/LincolnMark8.JPG

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
I think there is a higher probability of me meeting a girl with a penis growing out of her forehead than running a heavily modded Mark VIII on the interstate though.

I go through Nashville all the time.... :D

Well what does your car look like? Maybe I'll see it before the girl:lol:

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
He might be on there already. Eduncan911 is the name he would probably post under. He knows a lot about modular motors, he forged and rebuilt the one in his 96 cobra, and that car is wicked! He's now running an ATI D1SC procharger on it plus Kook's headers, MSD ignition, upgraded front mount, viper spec six speed etc etc etc.


Awesome!!

Tell him to check out our club site Lincolns Of Distinction at http://www.Mark8.org

THe 4.6 was in Tbird in 94, Stang 93(?)
I don't know why you guys keep saying
"built for the M8" I guess it makes you fell
more prestigous but its not like they made
it without every planning on sharing it, it
just debuted in the lincoln. Just like the LS1,
LT1, etc... GM knew it was going into both
the F and Y bodies from the start. Vette
guys don't say "your LS1 was made for my car"

Besides isnt it also in the Continental. Bottomline
and indisputable is Ford Motor Comp's performance
Model is the Mustang.
And saying most Fbods can't run a 14.5 is crazy.
Are you talking about IROCS.

AND AGAIN this thread was about STOCK M8,
what's there numbers. I'm not dissing them at
all, I like them and nearly bought one.

i to was very tempted to by an 8... there was one at the repo-lot near where i live... it was rather trashed though and i decided to pass on it due to it's condition... they have a rather sharp pearl white color...

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
THe 4.6 was in Tbird in 94, Stang 93(?)
I don't know why you guys keep saying
"built for the M8" I guess it makes you fell
more prestigous but its not like they made
it without every planning on sharing it, it
just debuted in the lincoln. Just like the LS1,
LT1, etc... GM knew it was going into both
the F and Y bodies from the start. Vette
guys don't say "your LS1 was made for my car"

Besides isnt it also in the Continental. Bottomline
and indisputable is Ford Motor Comp's performance
Model is the Mustang.
And saying most Fbods can't run a 14.5 is crazy.
Are you talking about IROCS.

AND AGAIN this thread was about STOCK M8,
what's there numbers. I'm not dissing them at
all, I like them and nearly bought one.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Let me School you a little so your more clear and not so Nasty.

The Ford Modular 4.6l Engine comes in two variants.

1) The 281 Cubic Inch 2 cam 16 valve version (the one you made mention of debuting in 93?) Well the 4.6 2-cam 16 valve engine actually debuted in 1992. The Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and the town Car recieved this engine first as far as Cars go.

2) The 281 Cubic Inch 4 cam version (This part you must have missed) This engine Debuted in the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII this was the FIRST time ever this engine was released to the public in a 4 cam version? Why can't you understand this? Thats all we were saying?

Calm down a little.

As far as mid 14's for stock f bodies, that is all I have seen run at our Local track.
They may have had miles on them or a bad driver I have no idea but I have seen them run mid 14's on several occasions. Also you must remember something that is VERY imprtant, you Guys have 69 cubic inch more engine and weigh 150 plus less then us.

Heres a couple of cool video's that I figured you Guys would get a kick out of.

These are from the MM&FF Shootout in 2002. I was severely traction limited even with 275/40 17's.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/geno2.mpg

Checkout the one below, here I hit second gear like a stick car.

http://www.maxrpm.com/geno5.mpg

Originally posted by Patrick kelly
i to was very tempted to by an 8... there was one at the repo-lot near where i live... it was rather trashed though and i decided to pass on it due to it's condition... they have a rather sharp pearl white color...

Good move passing on it. It sounds like it was abused.

You can get killer near mint 93/94's all day from $2,500.00-$5,000.


The pearl white from Lincoln is Sweet. My Blower Mark is Pearl white, sweet color.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/track9.jpg

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
Well what does your car look like? Maybe I'll see it before the girl:lol:

Click on that link!

Whose mad? You're the ones so defensive
about saying how fast your Luxo cruisers are.
All I said is they aren't meant as a enthuisest car.
What is their target market, gearheads??
Stop being so sensitive and saying how every
was made for the M8 making it sound like the
cobra stole something. I stated way back that
they had 4 cams. 3 more than I so don't tell me
about cubes.
And when you make statements about look out
Fbods for mid 14 cars, dude learn your facts,
you can here cause we are one of the cars
setting the bar, just look at our aftermarket segment,
doesn't that tell you something about what both
cars are meant for and what people are doing to
them respectively.

Like I said all I am doing is giving some real world
facts. Take your fellings out of it. OK, now when you
think of a M8 what is the first thing that comes to mind,
blistering speed? Is that the #1 reason you bought it.
Your car has pros and cons like all cars.
Saying its freakin fast for a ______LB car
it just like someone saying dude it's lightning quick
for a 4X4 or a 4 cylinder non turbo.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
THe 4.6 was in Tbird in 94, Stang 93(?)
I don't know why you guys keep saying
"built for the M8"

The TBird is a "sister" car, built on the same type of platform at the same facility. It did not have the high performance version of the MODULAR 4.6 l form. AAMOF, all Lincolns of that age have some version of the engine, except for the antique Town Car in 1993. All Ford V8s have some version of the basic modular engine at this point, except for Euro-Fords. The Mark VIII engine... The MODULAR engine, was first designed by LINCOLN for its car line, and, with any engine development for any car manufacturer, the developemnt is shared eventually through all lines. No Ford product got the DOHC modular engine until the 302 was taken out and shot in 1996.

I guess it makes you fell (sic)
more prestigous but its not like they made
it without every planning on sharing it,

See above comments. I'm just stating the facts.

Besides isnt it also in the Continental.

Of course! ITS IN ALL THE CONTEMPORARY LINCOLNS! But not in HO form.

Bottomline and indisputable is Ford Motor Comp's performance Model is the Mustang.

That is entirely disputable. The Mark beat all stock Mustangs of its day. Ever hear of the GT(40)

And saying most Fbods can't run a 14.5 is crazy.
Are you talking about IROCS.

Yes, you heard me say it. Only the high end Fbodies do better stock. There are a bunch of plain jane Fbodies out there.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
Whose mad? You're the ones so defensive
about saying how fast your Luxo cruisers are.

Not a "luxo-cruiser"... Oh please! (Visions of pillow-soft floating rides in my head.) It was marketed as a "Personal Luxury Touring Coupe" :D Semantics, but yes, they were marketed as performance cars. YOU may not think so, but there are those of us who do!

All I said is they aren't meant as a enthuisest car.
What is their target market, gearheads??.
Stop being so sensitive and saying how every
was made for the M8 making it sound like the
cobra stole something.

Actually.... MATURE gearheads, thank you very much. It was considered a world class car in 1994. Not only did I get a serious car, it is not common, and the insurance for a 33 year old male was not through the roof. (Remember, only old farts drive Lincolns, or so the insurance writers thought.) We are just proud that Lincoln developed the Modular engine for Ford! (Funny, don't you think??) AAMOF, Lincoln has always done that!

And when you make statements about look out
Fbods for mid 14 cars, dude learn your facts,

That is a fact.

you can here cause we are one of the cars
setting the bar, just look at our aftermarket segment,
doesn't that tell you something about what both
cars are meant for and what people are doing to
them respectively.

The only reason the Fbodies are so supported in the aftermarket, is because most were cookiecutter vehicles driven by the cache of the performance "mystique" ...and they were sold by the millions.

OK, now when you think of a M8 what is the first thing that comes to mind, blistering speed? Is that the #1 reason you bought it..

YES!! YES! A luxurious, stealthy, world class, powerful car.

Your car has pros and cons like all cars. .

Of course, along with some pretty serious warts! I never said it did not.


Saying its freakin fast for a ______LB car
it just like someone saying dude it's lightning quick
for a 4X4 or a 4 cylinder non turbo.

I never said that.... I am proud of my car's abilities. I merely posted here to point out that you should not dimiss the Mark VIII so blythely. And, speaking of 4X4s... have you tangled with a stock Audi A8 lately? :cool:

Originally posted by Mark 8


Not a "luxo-cruiser"... Oh please! (Visions of pillow-soft floating rides in my head.) It was marketed as a "Personal Luxury Touring Coupe" :D Semantics, but yes, they were marketed as performance cars. YOU may not think so, but there are those of us who do!

[/B]

Actually.... MATURE gearheads, thank you very much. It was considered a world class car in 1994. Not only did I get a serious car, it is not common, and the insurance for a 33 year old male was not through the roof. (Remember, only old farts drive Lincolns, or so the insurance writers thought.) We are just proud that Lincoln developed the Modular engine for Ford! (Funny, don't you think??) AAMOF, Lincoln has always done that!

[/B]

That is a fact.

[/B]

The only reason the Fbodies are so supported in the aftermarket, is because most were cookiecutter vehicles driven by the cache of the performance "mystique" ...and they were sold by the millions.

[/B]

YES!! YES! A luxurious, stealthy, world class, powerful car.

[/B]

Of course, along with some pretty serious warts! I never said it did not.




I never said that.... I am proud of my car's abilities. I merely posted here to point out that you should not dimiss the Mark VIII so blythely. And, speaking of 4X4s... have you tangled with a stock Audi A8 lately? :cool: [/B]

Very well said.

Originally posted by Mark 8


That is entirely disputable. The Mark beat all stock Mustangs of its day.



Wrong. Any year Mark 8 vs. the same year Mustang Cobra and the Cobra beats the Mark 8 down hard, stock for stock. Even a Mustang GT of the same year is a great run for any year Mark 8.

Cookiecutter, another goffy statement.
Fact is the best selling Fbod in 2002 was a
SS. I never disrected your car. You can here
saying look at for us lincolns. Any LS1 will easy
run mid 13's in not better. I don't go to Viper
sites yelling look out for me, I'm a second behind you
and catching up-assuming they aren't modding as well.

I just don't understand what you are trying to
accomplish. I own a muscle car, it earns this
title. You own a LUXURY car that is the sport model
but it is a luxury car first, that's all I said and you
keep arguing this with me. WHY? I fully understand
that with enough mods any car, including yours can
be "fast". As I stated in my first post a M8 is a fast
car stock in certain respects but it has its limitations
which you further pointed out due to the fact once again
that its sole design does not hinder on performance.

Thanks for filling me in on the specs, I didn't know
how similar the motors are but I suspect SVT does a
little more than just install a "lincoln" motor in a cobra
not to mention they are blown now if you haven't heard.

Do you know the differences between LT1, LS1, LB9,
L98 fbods. You may be confusing their performance.

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
Actually, the motor in the Mark VIII is the same as the cobra motor except for the intake manifold. I think the 4 valve 4.6 motor first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1995, one year before it was put in the Cobra.

John

And the cams and exaust manifolds are different.

Originally posted by Mark 8
The powers that be at Lincoln had a "me too" marketing scheme by naming the Lincoln engine something "catchy" to compete with the Caddy. Intech really does not mean anything except having it on the rear trunk lid.



You are confused. The Mark VII is a completely different car, and it did have a 5.0 l cast iron engine. The Cobra Mustang had that HO 5.0 engine until 1996 (I think). In 1997, the Ford SVT Cobra was allowed to use the Lincoln 4.6 DOHC engine developed for the Mark VIII. The Cobra was outfitted with a forged crank (People tend to hop up Cobras, whereas they were not supposed to be hopping up Lincolns.), a different intake manifold, and other minor evolutionary changes.



My Stock Mark ran 14.5 at 99 constistently before any mods completed. That's pretty darned good. And it is better than many Fbodies can do. However, the car really comes into its own with some intake work, true dual exhausts, getting rid of the 80 pound "waterheater" mufflers, and a chip to recalibrate the shift points and the sliding shifts. That's not big money.

Bottom line: There are not many Fbodies or Mustangs around that wish to tangle with me at a stoplight.



No. The Eldo is a different kind of car altogether. Front Wheel drive for a start. I would not have one.

http://www.idtags.biz/LincolnMark8.JPG

4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
THe 4.6 was in Tbird in 94, Stang 93(?)
I don't know why you guys keep saying
"built for the M8" I guess it makes you fell
more prestigous but its not like they made
it without every planning on sharing it, it
just debuted in the lincoln. Just like the LS1,
LT1, etc... GM knew it was going into both
the F and Y bodies from the start. Vette
guys don't say "your LS1 was made for my car"

Besides isnt it also in the Continental. Bottomline
and indisputable is Ford Motor Comp's performance
Model is the Mustang.
And saying most Fbods can't run a 14.5 is crazy.
Are you talking about IROCS.

AND AGAIN this thread was about STOCK M8,
what's there numbers. I'm not dissing them at
all, I like them and nearly bought one.

Let's set this straight right here and now. The 5.0 was used until 1995. In 1996 the 4.6's were put into the GT and the Cobra. The Mark VIII is the first vehicle to have the 4.6 DOHC engine in a Ford product line, and the engine with revised intake, cams and less restrictive exaust was carried over into the Cobra in 1996. It was not put into the Continental until I believe 1995.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
What on Earth are you talking about?

Let me School you a little so your more clear and not so Nasty.

The Ford Modular 4.6l Engine comes in two variants.

1) The 281 Cubic Inch 2 cam 16 valve version (the one you made mention of debuting in 93?) Well the 4.6 2-cam 16 valve engine actually debuted in 1992. The Crown Victoria/Grand Marquis and the town Car recieved this engine first as far as Cars go.

2) The 281 Cubic Inch 4 cam version (This part you must have missed) This engine Debuted in the 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII this was the FIRST time ever this engine was released to the public in a 4 cam version? Why can't you understand this? Thats all we were saying?

Calm down a little.

As far as mid 14's for stock f bodies, that is all I have seen run at our Local track.
They may have had miles on them or a bad driver I have no idea but I have seen them run mid 14's on several occasions. Also you must remember something that is VERY imprtant, you Guys have 69 cubic inch more engine and weigh 150 plus less then us.

Heres a couple of cool video's that I figured you Guys would get a kick out of.

These are from the MM&FF Shootout in 2002. I was severely traction limited even with 275/40 17's.

http://www.lincolnmotorsport.com/geno2.mpg

Checkout the one below, here I hit second gear like a stick car.

http://www.maxrpm.com/geno5.mpg

Actually the Town car got the 4.6 in 1991. I have the Super Ford magazine for that year with the previews. The Vic and Marquis got it with the redesign in 92.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Wrong. Any year Mark 8 vs. the same year Mustang Cobra and the Cobra beats the Mark 8 down hard, stock for stock. Even a Mustang GT of the same year is a great run for any year Mark 8.

I agree. The only problem that the Cobra had in the 5.0 version (94-95) was the crappy computer that retarded timing when shifting to save the tranny. A swap fixes this little problem. The AODE verison of the mustang will more than likely lose to a good running Mark, but a GT will run close, a Cobra will kill it.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan


Thanks for filling me in on the specs, I didn't know
how similar the motors are but I suspect SVT does a
little more than just install a "lincoln" motor in a cobra
not to mention they are blown now if you haven't heard.

Do you know the differences between LT1, LS1, LB9,
L98 fbods. You may be confusing their performance.

Mark hasn't been made since 1998. Until then they were almost the same engine. After that is not relevant.

Originally posted by scott9050
4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0.

Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.

Why is this s hard to understand? Heres a review of the car showing a picture of the 4.6 four cam engine in a 1993 Mark VIII?

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/photos/index.cfm/id/2058/img/93115151990401

I own a 93 as well as 2 other Mark VIII;s they were the first 4 cammer's, not the Mustang.

Originally posted by scott9050
Actually the Town car got the 4.6 in 1991. I have the Super Ford magazine for that year with the previews. The Vic and Marquis got it with the redesign in 92.

Oh wow sorrrrrryy I was off by one year on one Model car. Sorry dude its been a long day.

Originally posted by Steve Y
Wrong. Any year Mark 8 vs. the same year Mustang Cobra and the Cobra beats the Mark 8 down hard, stock for stock. Even a Mustang GT of the same year is a great run for any year Mark 8.

I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.

Originally posted by scott9050
And the cams and exaust manifolds are different.

Evolution.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
Cookiecutter, another goffy statement.
Fact is the best selling Fbod in 2002 was a
SS. I never disrected your car. You can here
saying look at for us lincolns. Any LS1 will easy
run mid 13's in not better. I don't go to Viper
sites yelling look out for me, I'm a second behind you
and catching up-assuming they aren't modding as well.

I just don't understand what you are trying to
accomplish. I own a muscle car, it earns this
title. You own a LUXURY car that is the sport model
but it is a luxury car first, that's all I said and you
keep arguing this with me. WHY? I fully understand
that with enough mods any car, including yours can
be "fast". As I stated in my first post a M8 is a fast
car stock in certain respects but it has its limitations
which you further pointed out due to the fact once again
that its sole design does not hinder on performance.

Thanks for filling me in on the specs, I didn't know
how similar the motors are but I suspect SVT does a
little more than just install a "lincoln" motor in a cobra
not to mention they are blown now if you haven't heard.

Do you know the differences between LT1, LS1, LB9,
L98 fbods. You may be confusing their performance.

Yes. 85% of the Entire Fbody line from the 90' redesign through the last year were cookie cutter plain jane V6 and base model Camaro and Pontiacs. Of course the SS are not included in that. The thing about the Mark is that every car has the same engine.

Why, you ask? ...because you needed some education.

SVT does indeed include other evolutionary items in the current Cobras. Do you know of any V8 (or any engine for that matter) that has the same camshaft six to ten years after the engine was first brought out? Adding a power adder, or evolutionary changes, does not change the fact that Lincoln designed and built the engine.

Make no mistake. The Lincoln Mark VIII is a muscle car, that YOU give no respect to. No, it is no SS Camaro, but who (besides you) gives a whack?

Originally posted by scott9050
4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0.

Gee, was there a 1996 Cobra with the DOHC? I was not aware of that.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.


He is not wrong. He said "4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0."

This is true. He did not say the 4.6 DOHC was first used in the Mustang.

Originally posted by Mark 8
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.

First you said "The Mark beat all stock Mustangs of its day." Is the Cobra or GT not a stock Mustang? Now you are saying the Cobra barely beats the Mark 8 of the same year and GTs are good races for the 8. Which is it? You are swimming through BS trying to come up with the truth and it is not working.

Wrong. Find me any year bone stock Cobra vs. the same year bone stock Mark 8 and I will show you a lot harder beat down than door to door with a slight edge!

Originally posted by Steve Y
First you said the Mark 8 beat all stock Mustangs of the same year or something like that. Now you are saying the Cobra barely beats the Mark 8 of the same year and GTs are good races for the 8. Which is it? You are swimming through BS trying to come up with the truth and it is not working.

Wrong. Find me any year bone stock Cobra vs. the same year bone stock Mark 8 and I will show you a lot harder beat down than door to door with a slight edge!

Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.

And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.

I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.

Originally posted by Mark 8
Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.

And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.

I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.

So now a Cobra is a modded Mustang? It comes from the factory that way. What year is your Mark? When you keep changing your story, you lose a lot of credibility. What did your Mark run bone stock?

Originally posted by Steve Y
So now a Cobra is a modded Mustang? It comes from the factory that way. What year is your Mark? When you keep changing your story, you lose a lot of credibility. What did your Mark run bone stock?

Nowhere on the Cobra did it say "Mustang". Certainly it is not a stock Mustang. Reread what I said.

1994

I have no idea what it ran "officially" stock, I never hit the drag strip timers with it. I only raced it against other real world cars, red light to red light, etc.

You talk of credibility. I'd say you cannot read what I actually said, and not let your emotions come into it.

MKVIII's can haul some serious ass, my mom has a 95. I saw one run a 14.8@92, probably a 96+ from what TerminVIIIor said.

Edit: I've seen pictures of a white MKVIII with polished Cobra R wheels and it looked absolutly gorgeous. Those stock swirly wheels don't do it justice.

The statement about the Mark VIII being a "muscle car" is just wrong. It is a sport luxury car. Any car can be made fast. Give me enough money and I can make a UPS truck run 10s. However, that is not what it was designed for and neither the Mark VIII. I see that some Mark VIII owners are out to prove that their cars are fast to other real muscle car owners. Chill out.

BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.

Originally posted by ericcer
The statement about the Mark VIII being a "muscle car" is just wrong. It is a sport luxury car. Any car can be made fast. Give me enough money and I can make a UPS truck run 10s. However, that is not what it was designed for and neither the Mark VIII. I see that some Mark VIII owners are out to prove that their cars are fast to other real muscle car owners. Chill out.

BTW, my other car is a STOCK 97 Mark VIII LSC. They are nice cars no doubt but are not muscle cars. I got mine because I wanted a American rear wheel drive sporty looking V8. Not much to choose from out there.

Define "muscle car" without using a make or model....

As to "designed for"... Read this: http://www.markviii.org/LOD2/bonneville.htm

You know what, your a freaking idiot. WHo cars
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.

I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
You know what, your a freaking idiot. WHo cars
about Fbods, clearly you as you are here. Where
do you come up with 90% being "plain Janes".
If that and as you say the millions sold were true
they would still be making them, you do know
they stopped right, clearly you know little to
nothing about them. Dude an SS is a Z28 with
a basicly just an appearance package so how doesn't
it count. Cobras don't count either even though they
are built totally by Ford and sold and warrantied by
them. You're a biased fool. plain and simple.
Differences like cams, intakes and so on are nothing?
No they have no impact on performance.
Keep telling yourself how fast your car is and I'll
keep smoking them, well maybe not since 99.999%
of people who want to race won't be driving them.
Now your car is a "performer" cause it only comes in
V8. Maybe all those "lincoln" engineers where too
busy building all of Fords other engines to make a V6.
Where's your manual transmission option since your
car is such a muscle machine with its wood grain and
navigation.

I tried to be cool and explain how our cars are
different in capabilities but you just don't want to
hear it.

Now you sink into name calling... :rolleyes:

Fact: Most Lincoln owners do not mod their cars, especially back in 1993.

Fact: Most Cobra owners race and are hard on engines.

Fact: The Cobra engine is an evolution of the Lincoln designed 4.6 l DOHC. The engine was updated to compensate for weaknesses found in the Lincoln installed engines and to change items that packaging the engine into the Mark were a compromise. (There were many. Exploding oil filters, weaker skirts on pistons, etc.) Ford took the Lincoln engine and made certain parts so they would withstand racing and modification by their owners without having undue warranty failures. They also packaged it differently, as the cats are a part of the exhaust manifold on the Lincoln.

I consider the Cobra not to be a "Mustang". It is a limited edition, specially built car that does not even say "Mustang" anywhere on the thing! You seem stuck on that, but I defined my statements to make clearer what I was saying. It is the same difference if you were to compare the Roadrunner and the Superbird. I also never said that the Lincoln engine, as applied and evolved by Ford, did not get more horsepower or durability. These are evolutionary, not profound.

I am aware of exactly what engines your beloved Fbody cars came with since 1990. (I thought I said 85% were not high performance optioned.) Not all were/are perfomance optioned. The fact that in the last year most were is irrelevant to me. I do not worship Chevy.

I am saying that if I don't out-and-out beat you in a drag race, I will most definitely be at your door with my modded LINCOLN. Deal with it. What's more, with comparable tires, I think I have the edge on the skidpad. (Tire developement has come a long way since 1994.)

Who the heck wants anything to do with an manual in a Lincoln? (That would have gone over like a turd in the punchbowl at the Lincoln dealer!) The facts are they are comparable two door sports cars marketed at two distinctly different niches. The Lincoln has more luxury features. Furthermore, the Fbody has an antique rear solid axle driveline design, whereas the the Lincoln has a fully independent suspension with load leveling and lowering at speed due to a sophisticated air suspension. The shocks are autodampening to the conditions and have anti-dive characteristics on the earlier Mark VIII. Furthermore, Marks had four wheel antilock disc brakes. (In 1993)

And you are totally, irrevocably correct.... You may have tried to be, but you are not cool. Since you have delved into name-calling and hysterical rants, I shall not return to this venue.

Dude I called you a fool cause you speak like one.
You say I need an education yet you say SS's and
Cobra don't count. What do you think a Cobra is
titled as....A MUSTANG. ITS AN OPTION PACKAGE

You say you can beat Gt's, Fbods and run door
to door with cobras. that is foolish.

Your paragraph about them being different is
EXACTLY what you have been fighting with me about.
First you owned a muscle car, now is a luxury car
with some balls, the description I gave from reply 1.

You have no idea about Fbod sales yet you give
figures, not you guess at. Cookiecutter you say.
More men own them than woman and the average age
is near 40 yet you have the "mature gearhead" car.
Why do you assume demographics? Cause you just
want to keep saying how damn fast your car is. Fine
go place some wagers on it and lose.

I still say I like the car, some of the owners though
are delusional.

One more thing, know why Ford put a blower on
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Wrong. The DOHC 4.6 first appeared in the Mark VIII in 1993. This was the FIRST Ford production vehicle that utilized the 4.6 DOHC.

Why is this s hard to understand? Heres a review of the car showing a picture of the 4.6 four cam engine in a 1993 Mark VIII?

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/used/reviews/photos/index.cfm/id/2058/img/93115151990401

I own a 93 as well as 2 other Mark VIII;s they were the first 4 cammer's, not the Mustang.

Reread my posts, as apparently you did not read them. I am talking about the 4.6 first being used in the stang in 1996. I stated that the DOHC 4.6 was first used in the Lincoln. Next time read first before trying to tell me that I am wrong.

Originally posted by ONEBADMK8
Oh wow sorrrrrryy I was off by one year on one Model car. Sorry dude its been a long day.

I'm setting everyone straight as everyone had their info off. I'm not taking sides, just trying to get around misinformation. Apparently some people are touchy when corrected when they come off as the ultimate experts in a thread. That is not my problem though. I plan to have a Mark VIII as my next car, already been looking for one to go with my other Fords.

Originally posted by Mark 8
I did not say Cobras. And it is not down "hard". It was door to door, with a slight edge to the Cobra. The Mark VIII was a match for any year GT up to 1996.

Properly driven 96 Cobra will run away from the Mark, sorry but true. My buddies 96 was running 8.8's in the 1/8th at 83 when he finally learned to drive the damn thing. Modded might be a different story. If I get a Mark I am going with a Lentech street Terminator VB for the AODE and a good converter as well as gears for my first mods.

Originally posted by Steve Y
He is not wrong. He said "4.6 SOHC and DOHC first made their appearances in the Mustang in 1996. The 94-95 SN-95 had the 5.0."

This is true. He did not say the 4.6 DOHC was first used in the Mustang.

Thanks Steve. Some people apparently can not read though and want to jump to conclusions because the info they gave is wrong. I corrected both sides wrong info.

Originally posted by Mark 8
Easy there, amigo... I do not consider the SVT Cobras to be Mustangs, nor do I consider a car that's engine hand built on another assembly line "stock". The facts are, I raced a 1995 Cobra up to 154 mph and we were neck and neck. (Only thing not stock on my Mark was the speed limiter was defeated.) ...Until the Georgia Patrol used it's LIDAR on us and we split, he got pulled over. I also drag raced the same car and lost by a 1/2 car length. I care not a whit what your opinions are beyond that.

And yes, My stock Mark beat all stock SN-95 Mustangs until 1996 in straight line races. I never lost. That's a period on the end of that sentence.

I do believe that my Mark will now beat your GT, judging from your posted time.

You don't consider Cobra's to be Mustangs? What kind of silly crap is that? 1995 had the GT-40 based 5.0, the 96 had the 4.6 DOHC putting about 255 to the wheels. The 5spd and the weight are the differences. By the way, Steve races at very high altitude, so his times are off.

Originally posted by Mark 8
Nowhere on the Cobra did it say "Mustang". Certainly it is not a stock Mustang. Reread what I said.

1994

I have no idea what it ran "officially" stock, I never hit the drag strip timers with it. I only raced it against other real world cars, red light to red light, etc.

You talk of credibility. I'd say you cannot read what I actually said, and not let your emotions come into it.

Uh, you sound like a ricer. It is a damn Mustang, SVT is an offshoot of Ford and it is made in a Ford factory with Ford parts. You are honestly sounding like the whiney one here. I saw the message refering to this post on your site, I have been registered there for a while.

Originally posted by Kain
MKVIII's can haul some serious ass, my mom has a 95. I saw one run a 14.8@92, probably a 96+ from what TerminVIIIor said.

Edit: I've seen pictures of a white MKVIII with polished Cobra R wheels and it looked absolutly gorgeous. Those stock swirly wheels don't do it justice. \

14.8 is hauling ass? New 3.8 Mustangs are very close to that time with a 5spd. I tuned and free modded another friends AOD 89 notch to a 14.59 at 95 with 2.73's out back. And you know what? It was still slow. When you have new Maximas and accords running low-mid 14's, high 14's are just not what they used to be. Can a Mark be fast? Sure it can, but in stock form it leaves a lot to be desired.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
One more thing, know why Ford put a blower on
the cobra, cause Z28's and SS's stock to stock were
killing your beloved "lincoln" motor and We never
filed a class action lawsuit against Chevy cause our
engine didn't put out nearly what it claimed.

Class action lawsuit was never filed. The LS-1 was not that far ahead of the Cobra in 2001, the Cobra was capable of traps in the 105-106 range with much less cubes. Ford could have easily put the 5.4 in and whipped on the LS-1, but they decided for chassis modification reasons to go with the blower instead. The 03 Cobra was rebuilt from the ground up engine wise and is very undertuned in factory trim. They put 42 lb/hr injectors and dual fuel pumps capable of handling around 550 rwhp becasue they knew that the owners were going to modify them. This was a way to get the car out to enthusiasts and still meet government regulations.

One side note, the 5.0 crate engine packs 415 horses and could have easily beaten the LS-1. The "they had to add a blower" crap does not fly.

And it's funny how the Ford motor company calls the Cobra "The Ford SVT Mustang Cobra:

http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html

I can call a Zebra a jackass, doesn't mean that is what it really is.

Thanks scott.
Not trying to start another side discussion about
the whole "blower" thing but it is a matter of perspective.
It isn't that much crap as you may view it and I think
they only did it since without the Fbod they had to
compete with C5 including Z06 and quickly.
Putting in the 5.4 isn't that easy and crate motors
differs as they are not warrantied, so you have a
whole nother ball of wax, GM has a few hot ones too.
Also you bring up the cubes but 32V 4cams makes
up the difference, no.

I don't understand how you can say the Mustang Cobra is not actually a Mustang:confused: Specially built motor in the cobra? Well that specially built motor is 95% what came out in the mark VIII in the first place. Cobra is a trim level on the Mustang. Hell, an SS is less of a Camaro than a Cobra is of a Mustang. SLP which is a separate company from GM adds the hood, some suspension stuff, exhaust and ram air. Looks like SVT is all in-house Ford stuff to me. But you never hear anyone complain that the SS is "not a camaro" because the acceleration numbers are not too diferent. I guess the bottom line is, all the people that are part of the SVT team that put some really nice stuff on the Cobra's are in house and are employed by Ford. It is just as much a Mustang as anything else.

Originally posted by locosteelersfan
Thanks scott.
Not trying to start another side discussion about
the whole "blower" thing but it is a matter of perspective.
It isn't that much crap as you may view it and I think
they only did it since without the Fbod they had to
compete with C5 including Z06 and quickly.
Putting in the 5.4 isn't that easy and crate motors
differs as they are not warrantied, so you have a
whole nother ball of wax, GM has a few hot ones too.
Also you bring up the cubes but 32V 4cams makes
up the difference, no.

I am an f-body fan as well, that is why I am here. I have owned 3 of them and am in the middle on this, but this pissing match between the mark VIII community and others is getting silly. A Lincoln is NOT a muscle car or a sports car, Lincoln itself described it as a luxury sport coupe in the same class as a Lexus SC 400 at the time. Being a luxury sport coupe is not a bad thing, but it is what it is.

Originally posted by scott9050
I am an f-body fan as well, that is why I am here. I have owned 3 of them and am in the middle on this, but this pissing match between the mark VIII community and others is getting silly. A Lincoln is NOT a muscle car or a sports car, Lincoln itself described it as a luxury sport coupe in the same class as a Lexus SC 400 at the time. Being a luxury sport coupe is not a bad thing, but it is what it is.

Well said. I consider myself a unbiased observer here since I own both and like Ford and Chevy.

Good work Scott and others! :bow: :bow:

WOW!!!

this thread went insane!!!

and i dont run 14.6 anymore :D

14.000 was my best :) so i dont think i should even consider this a race :D

wow now, a mark8 is not a muscle car :D just cuz its made in US doesnt make it a muscle car :D

it is a luxury car!!!!

a 750 bmw has a v12 with state of art engine that will do mid 12s with no power adders... is it a sports car?

nope ;)

a cl600 TT isnt a sports car either, but it is powerful...

but a SL55 is, and a S55 is, and a E55 is

its just a really hard 'common sense' concept... and since its common sense concept, everyone will have diff opinions =/

ONEBADMK8 - Funny you should mention the MM&FF Luxo-barge shootout issue. I have that issue. Your time, and the other Mark VIII times are not impressive, and nowhere near what you claim. Modded Marks running low-mid 14s? - and them claiming most F-bods aren't competition? The 4V Mark debuted in 93, the same year LT1s were introduced in the F-bod, most of which would have no trouble with a Mark. An LS1, forget about it!

I work for a Lincoln/Mercury dealer and drive these cars often. I can tell you that they are not capable of low 14s stock, and certainly not upper 90s either. We have 2 Marks owned by techs here, one is a 94, low miles in real good shape, and runs consistent low 15s around 92-93. The other is a 98 LSC also in excellent shape. Runs high 14s around 93-94 with just some sticky tires, a K&N and flowmaster mufflers.

To further add to the point, a 98 Continental, also owned by a coworker, with me as a passenger will run door to door with a Mark 8 from a 20 punch to 100. Thats almost 300 lbs MORE than the Mark.

Nice to see Gene made it in here! Hi Geno! Btw, they banned me from MarkVIII.org for having 6 lines in my sig instead of 4. When I argued that it wasn't 6, but they were reading my comming "Thanks, Eric"at the end as part of the sig, they banned me for dis-respect. :lol: The admin of the forum none-the-less.

Ask him if he's come down off of his high-chair yet so I can get back on there and actually give help to the ones on there seeking more power out of the Mark VIIIs.

I would buy from LMS for my Mark VIII, but honestly the prices are quite high for such simple bolt-ons. :( I can build/tune almost all the work myself (can't widen wheels myself, but I tune my own vehicles), but I guess it comes down to I can either do it or pay the price. And after spending a year on my Cobra, I'm reading to throw in the towel in heavily modifying a car again.

Mark 8: Don't know you, but hope to see you in Nashville sometime! :)


To answer the original question: stock for stock it will be a very close race, but the T/A should get a fender from the dead and hold it through the stock 118mph speed limiter on the Mark VIII.


I have plans for my Mark VIII, but not for a while. Most likely will end up with a big-bore 5.0L build up I'll put togather from some custom pistons and such, with a lot of spray. Normal tranny/irs/wheel upgrades obviously.

http://forums.modular4v.com/viewtopic.php?t=178

My Cobra is doing fine for answering when I feel the need for speed, sideways at 80mph. ;) It won't be until next Winter if that for the Mark VIII.


To everyone else: The Mark VIII is a lux car with some power. Ok, so when are going to compare the Cady's XLR to a sports car? :rolleyes:

Eric
Ps, I had a huge reply typed up for all of the rants here. took too long. Screw it.. :lol: