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97bowtie

10-06-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Your ignorance is pretty easy to see so I will let it be.....

For the rest who want to talk ****....I still trap 97-98@ 3000ft on the old mods.....which is to say higher than most LT1's here :rolleyes:

Run what you brung Steve who give a **** want who runs stock anyway.....isnt that the point of mod'ing the car?

I swear youd think some of these guys REALLY beleive driving an F-Body is THAT much better than a quicker import :rolleyes:

MaD dOmEsTiC pOWa yO....i'S be tRiZaPiN nInE-5 yO iN mY mAdD tIiIte f-bOd = :rolleyes: Not so much .....

Lastly TAKE A ****IN JOKE IF YOU WANNA PLAY

:rolleyes: = for jackasses that cant take it like they want to give it

There are PLENTY of bone stock LT1s that trap 100-102. Nobody is impressed by your car. Ironic that you didn't quote people w/fast cars and **** talk them.

Corrected, my car runs a 12.2 @ 114 or so...does that mean my car runs that?? NO - cause I have never ran it at sea level in cool weather.

You told Steve to run what ya brung - too bad you're only bringing a 97 mph trap speed. ;) Or are you talking in hypothetical terms - in which case you are bringing a 100 mph trap speed?

Your first post wasn't a joke - don't pretend it was.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-06-2003, 03:34 PM

Its a POS 4 banger remember I can diss all I want....95 trap is a 95 trap.....a 5.7L V8 should be traping above that....if not ....its something to laugh at and if you cant laugh REMOVE THE FOREIGN OBJECT FROM YOUR ASSumption

IF a cavalier runs his mouth about smoking Honda's all the while traping the powerful 95mph trap I would make fun just the same

The F-body can nEvAr LoSe :rolleyes:

I swear for people that arent affected by quick imports they sure do receive alot of heartburn when a slow F-body is pointed out

I salute you defenders of the 95mph trap....may your 14 sec V8's be all that they can be .....Jesus whats next....defend a 2.7 60' because its "stock" :rolleyes:

97bowtie

10-06-2003, 03:52 PM

Man, you have a bad case of import inferiority complex. Always have something to prove. Be happy with your slow car, and let him be happy with his.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-06-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by 97bowtie
There are PLENTY of bone stock LT1s that trap 100-102. Nobody is impressed by your car. Ironic that you didn't quote people w/fast cars and **** talk them.

Corrected, my car runs a 12.2 @ 114 or so...does that mean my car runs that?? NO - cause I have never ran it at sea level in cool weather.

Your first post wasn't a joke - don't pretend it was.

As far as I can tell its not the 105mph trap guys saying "I have never lost to an import" or even better "I am undefeated" :rolleyes:

95mph trap = Slow...at sea level...SLOW whether its a Honda, Toyota, Chevy whatever....

He was joking about a civic needing nAwS so would point out that SLOW cars regardless of badge shouldnt be putting others who can beat them.....I can see it now...the mighty 85mph trap 3rd gen...."but at least I drive a camaro" :rolleyes: Thats down right ridiculous......

I dont need you to be impressed with anything anyway....you probaly know very little about Honda's so how could you even begin to tell me what I "should" be running with my setup? So stick to your ignorance and spew it some more to make yourself feel better....either way I am not impressed by you either. :rolleyes:

97bowtie

10-06-2003, 03:56 PM

I know all I need to know about Hondas. I respect fast imports done tastefully. Unfortunately, yours isn't fast. Good day. :)

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-06-2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Steve Y
This is why you get so much crap on this board. You are dissing a stock LT1 with 2.73s that ran 14.4 at 95 on a crappy track. That is one of the slowest automatic LT1s ever with crappy gears. What did your turd run stock again? What would your turd run stock with an automatic and 2.73 gears? That's right you never told us. You are trying to compare your motor swapped car to a stock automatic crappy geared car. For the record, GMhightechperf got a 13.8 at 99 out of a stock LT1, automatic with 2.73s! You want us to all bow down to you because you did all this work to a pos and run fast LT1 times. Not going to happen!!!!!!!

Steve I dont need anybody to bow down because I wouldnt want them as subjects anyways....I prefer people who actually use their brains

SO now we are mag racing huh? :rolleyes:

Its slow...the end....if you are butthurt about it...I DONT CARE

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-06-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by 97bowtie
I know all I need to know about Hondas. I respect fast imports done tastefully. Unfortunately, yours isn't fast. Good day. :)

Then why do you respect a 95mph trap? Oh thats right because its an F-body :rolleyes: Such an open mind ......

Double standards indeed

Just so we all know what your defenition of "fast" is...please enlighten the rest of us so we can start grouping them by your standards

97bowtie

10-06-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Then why do you respect a 95mph trap? Oh thats right because its an F-body :rolleyes: Such an open mind ......

Double standards indeed

Just so we all know what your defenition of "fast" is...please enlighten the rest of us so we can start grouping them by your standards

I never said I respected a 95 mph trap...did I? Please, quote it in your next reply...I want to see it. Not respecting it and ripping on the guy for having ran an abnormally slow mph are two different things. It's your attitude I don't respect. MY definition of fast is just that...MY definition of fast. If you think your car is fast, more power to you - you will be easier satisfied than the rest of us.

Steve Y

10-06-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Steve I dont need anybody to bow down because I wouldnt want them as subjects anyways....I prefer people who actually use their brains

Then why are you here on this board? Everybody here is brainless, right? Why waste time talking to brainless people?

SO now we are mag racing huh? :rolleyes:

So if it was done in a mag there is zero crediblility, right?

Its slow...the end....if you are butthurt about it...I DONT CARE

95 is a slow trap for a stock LT1, so what. Maybe it was a bad track or a hot day or above sea level.

HOW FAST WOULD YOUR TURD BE IF IT WAS STOCK, HAD AN AUTOMATIC AND 2.73 GEARS? Go ahead, hide from the question, because you can't handle the answer. Like anybody on this board really cares what you think. Butthurt, interesting choice of words. Now why would you be thinking of that word, wait I don't want to know:yuck:.

1990 Turbo Grand Prix

10-06-2003, 05:37 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:
I love coming to the kills section!

95 WHITE TRANS

10-06-2003, 05:42 PM

Me too.:)

Kris93/95Z28

10-06-2003, 07:25 PM

Sergio you have a few things wrong.
First off, the comment was a joke. I respect any car that is quick import or domestic. If I was the type of blind A-hole that thought all that was out was F-body cars then why would I come and proclaim a loss. It wasn't the first and surely won't be the last.

As far as get some mods? What does that mean? A stock LT1 car is more than enough to handle 99% of the stuff on the road. The 95 will never be modified (other than the tint) as long as I own it, I have a car I throw money into. I have raced Honda/Acura's Best with the 95 Z28, RSX Type-S, Civic Si, Integra Type R, S2000, etc....and have never lost to a Honda/Acura. Unless Fly-Bys Count? :p

Not saying that my car is faster than ALL of the Cars like that in the world, and not saying they possibly didn't have the worst drivers ever, but as far as the cars history goes mods aren't needed yet ;) I 'm sure I just haven't found the right car yet, but I am very sure my day is coming :eek: And when it does you'll be the first to know.:bow:

Oracle17

10-06-2003, 11:16 PM

See, I believe Sergio brought up the 95mph trap speed (edit) *not* because it was slow but because the original poster ridiculed civics (which is a car sergio has) while having a 95 trap speed. My car probably has a trap speed in the 80's and you wouldn't ridicule it unless I say a comment that would warrant it (Well, you guys would probably make fun of it anyways)

And as Kris93 says, his comment was a joke (I didn't think it was funny, but humor is subjective). he just didn't know that cz28 has a civic vigilante

97bowtie

10-07-2003, 03:51 AM

It was obvious Kris was making fun of the stereotypical ricer. Sergio associated himself with that group (by getting defensive) - not us.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Kris93/95Z28
Sergio you have a few things wrong.
First off, the comment was a joke. I respect any car that is quick import or domestic. If I was the type of blind A-hole that thought all that was out was F-body cars then why would I come and proclaim a loss. It wasn't the first and surely won't be the last.

As far as get some mods? What does that mean? A stock LT1 car is more than enough to handle 99% of the stuff on the road. The 95 will never be modified (other than the tint) as long as I own it, I have a car I throw money into. I have raced Honda/Acura's Best with the 95 Z28, RSX Type-S, Civic Si, Integra Type R, S2000, etc....and have never lost to a Honda/Acura. Unless Fly-Bys Count? :p

Not saying that my car is faster than ALL of the Cars like that in the world, and not saying they possibly didn't have the worst drivers ever, but as far as the cars history goes mods aren't needed yet ;) I 'm sure I just haven't found the right car yet, but I am very sure my day is coming :eek: And when it does you'll be the first to know.:bow:

I knew it was a joke which is why I brought up getting mods...your LT1 is trapping with stock Integra Type R's....which we all now are slow....the point was I was joking about your trap cause you were joking about the nAwS...I dont use nitrous...probably never will...I am not a ricer...dont need to defend them....but when a civic is trapping 89mph and trying to make fun of X car that may trap the same or slightly lower I am going to remind him that X car will not need nAwS to keep up just as I would in this instance when a 94-95mph trap is consistent with STOCK 4cyl cars that are available right now do I care..not really but its an FYI for common sense laugh.

Everybody else gets defensive and trys to jump in...if the original poster has no problem with it obviously people can RELAX:p

Steve is your so anxious to know what my car STOCK will do with 2.73's why dont you send me an LT1 to drop in and I will run it....a RWD civic with 250-270whp and 2.73's....hmm wonder how slow that would be :p

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Kris93/95Z28
Okay to answer the question of the trap, yes it is low, but that is at the local track where the average LT1, and 99+ GTs runs 14.4 ~ 14.6. The average LS1 runs 13.7s to 14.1s. This is on stock tires when you talk drag radials the trap and MPH is a lot better, and what you might expect.

I'm not going to make excuses for the times, they are what I ran.
But a bit of insight to the day I ran. I ran against a friend that has a 97 Z28, that has a CAI, Catback, 3.23s and a cutout, and I beat him twice by a .10 each time, he never even started to pull me and in fact I was pulling him...

That car is very strong compared to other LT1s I have raced, as far as the time goes? Who knows? Maybe I should try again...

If you are interested I will send a few videos I have of others running at the track, and their poor times, so you might see it isn't just me :)

I beleived your times are concurrent with your local track which is why I leave my link to my slip in my sig...my track is in the middle of a desert and 3000ft above sea level....and I still was able to trap 97 without nAwS

Steve I noticed you called my car a turd....your slower so what does that make your car.....hmmm maybe a stock turd with low mileage? Should I fear the economy car killa Steve?
"I live a 1/4 at a time in my stock stang, for those 15 seconds or more I am free" -- Wow lets all take a step back and fear the mighty stock stangs with an earth shaking 270 FLYWHEEL horsepower....."run for the hills" :rolleyes:

I have never said my car is near fast...its a 4 bager with intake and a header, how fast is it gonna be right? But Jesus having a stock stang is really supposed to IMPRESS when your running times that bolt-on 4 bangers run?

Ignorant people here are easy to spot...their cars are close to stock in the high 13 to low 14 second range and feel there is nothing better than their used V8....thats a pretty sad existence IMO but what would they know...there biggest worry is where to find their tail light blackouts :rolleyes: Stock car stunna's, its pretty average to get at least 4-5 of these guys a week here and its always the same...."cIvIcs aRe sLoW aNd uGly" check the sig and its a 14.7@93 do you really think I am gonna "fear" someone like this?

Most of the **** talkers here have very little mods, very little track experience and very simple plans for their cars to include "tint" :rolleyes: Man what a sweet ride...you got "tint" man your car is so much better than mine ...it gets a little ridiculous :rolleyes:

jthomas

10-07-2003, 12:03 PM

zzzzzzzz.... huh? whazzat?

oh, serg being a thin-skinned ricer and ppl taking shots at him.

back to sleep...

sergio... you just don't get it, do you? some ppl don't like hondas. i think honda sucks ass because of the way they run their motorcycle racing program. i have absolutely no respect for the company. should you dislike hondas, too? i couldn't care less.

thinking that you are going to club somebody over the internet into liking or respecting your brand of choice is giving that someone yet another reason to dislike it. if most of the members of this board thought imports were all that then they wouldn't be driving f-bods, now would they? you spend WAY too much time on this board defending imports. you aren't going to change anyone's mind, dude, especially with the approach you are taking. go outside and have some fun. you are waisting your time here.

95 Z/28 LT1

10-07-2003, 12:20 PM

:Owned:

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo

Steve is your so anxious to know what my car STOCK will do with 2.73's why dont you send me an LT1 to drop in and I will run it....a RWD civic with 250-270whp and 2.73's....hmm wonder how slow that would be :p

I meant your stock car with your engine + an automatic with 2.73s. Since you won't venture a guess, I will do it for you. Your car ran high 16s to low 17s stock unless it is an Si which I highly doubt. If you put in 2.73s and an automatic I bet it would run 18s!!!!! And you are dissing a 14.4 at 95 machine that runs an automatic with 2.73s. See how weak your little stock 4 banger is?

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
I beleived your times are concurrent with your local track which is why I leave my link to my slip in my sig...my track is in the middle of a desert and 3000ft above sea level....and I still was able to trap 97 without nAwS

So your motor swapped, bolt on, sticky tired turd traps 97 at 3000 feet. Everybody give Sergio props, NOT!

Steve I noticed you called my car a turd....your slower so what does that make your car.....hmmm maybe a stock turd with low mileage? Should I fear the economy car killa Steve?
"I live a 1/4 at a time in my stock stang, for those 15 seconds or more I am free" -- Wow lets all take a step back and fear the mighty stock stangs with an earth shaking 270 FLYWHEEL horsepower....."run for the hills" :rolleyes:

I am slower because I have less traction and gearing. Those are the only reasons. You have drag radials and better gearing. It's called TORQUE, something you don't know about. It is hard to get traction with 225 street tires when a car produces TORQUE. I have to leave the line at low rpm carefully and then I hit second gear easily or I will blow the tires off, fishtail and hit the wall. Notice how we both trap the same at sea level? It's "14 seconds or more I am free" in my case, can't you read the sig! Lets fear the mighty stock Hondas Civics that at best make 160 flywheel horses!!!!!!!!

I have never said my car is near fast...its a 4 bager with intake and a header, how fast is it gonna be right? But Jesus having a stock stang is really supposed to IMPRESS when your running times that bolt-on 4 bangers run?

No it is an engine swap, bolt ons, and sticky tires.

Ignorant people here are easy to spot...their cars are close to stock in the high 13 to low 14 second range and feel there is nothing better than their used V8....thats a pretty sad existence IMO but what would they know...there biggest worry is where to find their tail light blackouts :rolleyes: Stock car stunna's, its pretty average to get at least 4-5 of these guys a week here and its always the same...."cIvIcs aRe sLoW aNd uGly" check the sig and its a 14.7@93 do you really think I am gonna "fear" someone like this?

Yes, stock Civics are slow and ugly. Yes you are ignorant. I know there is a lot better than a stock V8.

Most of the **** talkers here have very little mods, very little track experience and very simple plans for their cars to include "tint" :rolleyes: Man what a sweet ride...you got "tint" man your car is so much better than mine ...it gets a little ridiculous :rolleyes:

When have I talked sh**? I have very little mods, because I put my money into other things. Send me money and I will put it into my car for you. I don't live and die by how fast my POS, ugly, fart sounding, motor swapped turd runs. I don't have tint.

andol469

10-07-2003, 01:09 PM

Sergio, why don't you just put your actual time in your sig, and then if you feel necessary, put the "3000 ft asl" after it. If you didn't run a 13.63, why put that in your sig? Put your actual time, then write any excuses after it. JMO.

Bluntdogg

10-07-2003, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Steve is your so anxious to know what my car STOCK will do with 2.73's why dont you send me an LT1 to drop in and I will run it....a RWD civic with 250-270whp and 2.73's....hmm wonder how slow that would be :p

I wonder how fast that '95 Z28 would be with 2.73's and Sergio's 4-cylinder dropped in? A RWD Camaro with 180whp... Wonder how slow that would be... hmmm... slower than a 95mph trap? :p But Sergio would never think about that side of the argument, of course not.

Damnit I said I wouldn't check back to page 4! Oh well one can only hold out so long. ;)

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by andol469
Sergio, why don't you just put your actual time in your sig, and then if you feel necessary, put the "3000 ft asl" after it. If you didn't run a 13.63, why put that in your sig? Put your actual time, then write any excuses after it. JMO.

Sure....tell steve to post his slips and then lets see how much **** he will talk then and the excuses he makes :p

I have the link to my slip in the sig....if someone is too dumb to copy and paste the link then hey....I dont really care about them

Blunt we all know what a 180whp camaro is and how slow they are....they are called the "mighty turd gens" The camaro that started a an epic 16 sec journey across the time/space continum

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Steve Y
When have I talked sh**? I have very little mods, because I put my money into other things. Send me money and I will put it into my car for you. I don't live and die by how fast my POS, ugly, fart sounding, motor swapped turd runs. I don't have tint.

You dont have any mods, you dont have tint and your slower than a turd.....now that I got that straight I will say before talking ****..........get a second job :p

jthomas

10-07-2003, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo

I have the link to my slip in the sig....if someone is too dumb to copy and paste the link then hey....I dont really care about them

:eek:

ummm... neither works. mr. egg, allow me to introduce you to mr. face.

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Sure....tell steve to post his slips and then lets see how much **** he will talk then and the excuses he makes :p

How do you post slips? I don't have a scanner. You don't believe what my car runs? Stock ones have gone 13.6 at 101 in good air!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
You dont have any mods, you dont have tint and your slower than a turd.....now that I got that straight I will say before talking ****..........get a second job :p

I have small, pretty much useless mods. If 14.0 is slower than a turd, what does that make your car when it was stock? What does that make your car now? A little faster than slower than a turd. I'm going to get a second job to mod my car to please Sergio:rolleyes:.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Steve Y
How do you post slips? I don't have a scanner. You don't believe what my car runs? Stock ones have gone 13.6 at 101 in good air!!!!!!!!!!!!

And there are EK ITR hatchs that have run 13.30's.....I still have to post my slips because they want them enough people have already seen my slips and know the elevation/conditions etc and know that at my track most LT1's run high 14'slow 15's but do you see them inline with the 13.63 correction....no...so for their lack of faith put your slips up so we can see that a GT runs at your elevation.....since my car is such a turd I am sure your cracking 13's at 4000ft right? :p

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
And there are EK ITR hatchs that have run 13.30's.....I still have to post my slips because they want them enough people have already seen my slips and know the elevation/conditions etc and know that at my track most LT1's run high 14'slow 15's but do you see them inline with the 13.63 correction....no...so for their lack of faith put your slips up so we can see that a GT runs at your elevation.....since my car is such a turd I am sure your cracking 13's at 4000ft right? :p

What is an EK ITR hatch? I guarantee that no bone stock ITR sold in this country has run a 13.3. My car ran a 14.8 at 95.9 at 4000' on an 80 degree day. How do I put my slips up?

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Steve Y
I have small, pretty much useless mods. If 14.0 is slower than a turd, what does that make your car when it was stock? What does that make your car now? A little faster than slower than a turd. I'm going to get a second job to mod my car to please Sergio:rolleyes:.

Boo hoo when I was stock, when I was stock :cry:

Keep crying, you talk alot of **** but you keep coming back to the "stock" argument

My car isnt stock, get over it.

If you cant be faster than me with your "limited" mods than STFU or get a second job and get some mods...either way i am still faster than you...period...so if my car is a turd in your eyes than your car is a stinky mexican food leftover turd ....smelly to say the least :p

Fast is relative....a 14.0 sec V8 is slow...your slow...not your fault
13 sec civic is slow...I am slow....its not my fault

You wanna play this "you drive a turd" game when you drive an american sh1tstain that was bought used...whoa big baller steve...put me in mah place...here all i am driving is a car thats quicker ....damn someday maybe even I can afford a used 12K sh1tstain and "pimp" all the fly girlies NOT

Get over your used 14 sec V8....its a sh1tbox just like my sh1tbox if you somehow talked yourself into thinking its something else than I feel sorry for you.....if you think I am going to cry because you bought a used car thats slower than I am, your dead wrong...bottom line get off trying to put my car down for the sake of having some common sense....if you choose not to than fine be my guest but I would expect BMW owners to be snobs about my 'tin can' but coming from some who is supposed to have drag experience I am very disgusted with your constant attempts to put down my car for no other reason but to do it....I would expect more from you...maybe I was wrong :confused:

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-07-2003, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Steve Y
What is an EK ITR hatch? I guarantee that no bone stock ITR sold in this country has run a 13.3. My car ran a 14.8 at 95.9 at 4000' on an 80 degree day. How do I put my slips up?

An EK is a 96-00 civic hatch, yet again you jump up and down before you even know what the hell your talking about

Stock ITR's have hit 14.0's at sea level and intake an header ITR's have gone 13.70's on street tires

But since you like to talk about sh1t you dont know too well instead of asking why/how/where you start spewing non-sense if you would STOP listen ask a couple questions youd learn something for future reference to call BS on a ricer...instead you try to bash me .....way to go :rolleyes:

Forget the slips they arent even important.....the fact is I put "corected for elevation" to say hey this is an estimate for sealevel (a conservative estimate using NHRA tables) for reference sake but I assumed most guys would be cool with the fact I am at 3000ft....instead I get hated on by people with no clue for adding "corrected"

You on the other hand didnt even have the decency to put "corrected" and everyone assumes your 14.0 is what you ran when you and I know you didnt.....I know your at 4000ft so I know yours is corrected and I said....I know thats what he means at sea level....do I come on here and bash you for correcting your times and forgeting to tell the other guys here?

You need to realize how sick I get of peoples ignorance and lack of common sense.....never mind the times are old and I have more mods now ....just the fact that they talk **** on an acceptable conversion is evidense enough that they dont care what I really run....they are always going to be ignorant....but I expected more from you as a person who runs high above sea level.....

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Boo hoo when I was stock, when I was stock :cry:

Keep crying, you talk alot of **** but you keep coming back to the "stock" argument

My car isnt stock, get over it.

If you cant be faster than me with your "limited" mods than STFU or get a second job and get some mods...either way i am still faster than you...period...so if my car is a turd in your eyes than your car is a stinky mexican food leftover turd ....smelly to say the least :p

Fast is relative....a 14.0 sec V8 is slow...your slow...not your fault
13 sec civic is slow...I am slow....its not my fault

You wanna play this "you drive a turd" game when you drive an american sh1tstain that was bought used...whoa big baller steve...put me in mah place...here all i am driving is a car thats quicker ....damn someday maybe even I can afford a used 12K sh1tstain and "pimp" all the fly girlies NOT

Get over your used 14 sec V8....its a sh1tbox just like my sh1tbox if you somehow talked yourself into thinking its something else than I feel sorry for you.....if you think I am going to cry because you bought a used car thats slower than I am, your dead wrong...bottom line get off trying to put my car down for the sake of having some common sense....if you choose not to than fine be my guest but I would expect BMW owners to be snobs about my 'tin can' but coming from some who is supposed to have drag experience I am very disgusted with your constant attempts to put down my car for no other reason but to do it....I would expect more from you...maybe I was wrong :confused:

Blah blah blah................

Steve Y

10-07-2003, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
An EK is a 96-00 civic hatch

Yeah that's really a stock car, NOT! It is a motor swapped car like yours.

Forget the slips they arent even important.....the fact is I put "corected for elevation" to say hey this is an estimate for sealevel (a conservative estimate using NHRA tables) for reference sake but I assumed most guys would be cool with the fact I am at 3000ft....instead I get hated on by people with no clue for adding "corrected"

You get hated on because of your attitude problem, nothing else.

You on the other hand didnt even have the decency to put "corrected" and everyone assumes your 14.0 is what you ran when you and I know you didnt.....I know your at 4000ft so I know yours is corrected and I said....I know thats what he means at sea level....do I come on here and bash you for correcting your times and forgeting to tell the other guys here?

I ran 14.0 at 101 at sea level at Sacramento Raceway park. I ran 14.8 at 96 at 4000' what's so hard to comprehend.

You need to realize how sick I get of peoples ignorance and lack of common sense.....never mind the times are old and I have more mods now ....just the fact that they talk **** on an acceptable conversion is evidense enough that they dont care what I really run....they are always going to be ignorant....but I expected more from you as a person who runs high above sea level.....

I didn't expect anything from you.

LT1PWNZU

10-07-2003, 04:32 PM

haha serg is funny!

rs500

10-14-2003, 02:11 PM

Don't feel too bad about losing to a four banger. I used to drive a Merkur XR4 with the same motor. Those things will take 25 pounds of boost stock. It's not unheard of to see street SVOs or Merkurs with 400rwhp.

snorkelface

10-14-2003, 03:07 PM

Gees. Sergio, you are the root of 98% of all threads that turn into crap. This is an F-body fourm. People are going to make fun of impoirts. Whether some comments are ignorant or not isn't the point. The problem is that you have turn turn everything into a multipage crap fest. It's all you. I may be out of line here, but I get the feeling you really aren't welcome here anymore. I know you want to say that we all just want to "circle jerk," but let's rmember this is a DEATH thread. I'm starting to think that you've been banned from the import sites, and that's why you troll here. It has NOTHING to do with the car you drive, it's YOU.

snorkelface

10-14-2003, 03:09 PM

Oh yeah, and I bet an "ITR" was never even sold here by Honda for public sale.

Steve Y

10-14-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by snorkelface
Oh yeah, and I bet an "ITR" was never even sold here by Honda for public sale.

I think that stands for Integra type R. They did sell them here in the late 90s. They ran high 14s to low 15s at 94ish stock.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-14-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by snorkelface
Oh yeah, and I bet an "ITR" was never even sold here by Honda for public sale.

Thanks for showing your infinite car wisdom yet again....you must really love to stick you head in the sand huh? :rolleyes:

The ITR when sold in 97 was the most powerful NA 4cyl motor in AMerica and had the highest specific output of any mass produced car sold in America...a title it kept until the S2000 was released

But I guess setting records or the auto industry in general is something you could really care less about......unless its camaro related :rolleyes: Such an open mind

snorkelface

10-14-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Thanks for showing your infinite car wisdom yet again....you must really love to stick you head in the sand huh? :rolleyes:

The ITR when sold in 97 was the most powerful NA 4cyl motor in AMerica and had the highest specific output of any mass produced car sold in America...a title it kept until the S2000 was released

But I guess setting records or the auto industry in general is something you could really care less about......unless its camaro related :rolleyes: Such an open mind

How come I've never really heard of one, or see them driving around? Were there only a couple hundred or so sold here?

Where the heck did that come from? Who are you directing that at? You just try to make it seems like nobody cares about any other vehicles because no one wants to listen to you because you talk like a jackass! You must (like I've said before) have little man syndrome. I bet the people around you don't like you either, and you probably get picked on. That's why you troll here, because we can't just get away from your dribble without missing out on the info/stories of other people that we'd actually like to hear/see from.

Get over your lack of testicular growth, and go away! :mad:

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-14-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by snorkelface
How come I've never really heard of one, or see them driving around? Were there only a couple hundred or so sold here?

Where the heck did that come from? Who are you directing that at? You just try to make it seems like nobody cares about any other vehicles because no one wants to listen to you because you talk like a jackass! You must (like I've said before) have little man syndrome.

Coming from someone who has never heard of the best handling FWD vehicle in the world I am supposed to be hurt? :rolleyes:

You have your head so far up you tailpipe you spew :bs: and talk about **** you dont even know.....I have to correct your ignorance and shed light because people like you make claims they can never back up and have no actual experience.

Why dont you wake up, your the jackass who has never heard of a car thats in class by itself and is known for its track prowess. But see you would know that...if you had track experience :rolleyes:

snorkelface

10-14-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Coming from someone who has never heard of the best handling FWD vehicle in the world I am supposed to be hurt? :rolleyes:

You have your head so far up you tailpipe you spew :bs: and talk about **** you dont even know.....I have to correct your ignorance and shed light because people like you make claims they can never back up and have no actual experience.

Why dont you wake up, your the jackass who has never heard of a car thats in class by itself and is known for its track prowess. But see you would know that...if you had track experience :rolleyes:

Hahahahaha. What are you talking about? What claims did I make? I asked a serious question about that vehicle. I didn't talk trash about it or anything. I just wanted to know if it was some limited production piece or such. If it was, then it would make sense for me to possibly not know about it, because I'm not really into imports (especially Civics), even though I try to learn about all vehicles. Also, what do you know about being on a track? What track experience do you have that's so much better than mine? Do you even know my track experience (not that it has any relevance to this subject, which is pretty consistent with your dribble)? Just curious. I never see you in the AutoX forum. BTW, I get better times than the Civics at the AutoX events (not that that's saying much).

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo

your the jackass

Oh yeah, and its YOU'RE (as in you are), not YOUR.

Pathetic.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-14-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by snorkelface
Hahahahaha. What are you talking about? What claims did I make? I asked a serious question about that vehicle. I didn't talk trash about it or anything. I just wanted to know if it was some limited production piece or such. If it was, then it would make sense for me to possibly not know about it, because I'm not really into imports (especially Civics), even though I try to learn about all vehicles. Also, what do you know about being on a track? What track experience do you have that's so much better than mine? Do you even know my track experience (not that it has any relevance to this subject, which is pretty consistent with your dribble)? Just curious. I never see you in the AutoX forum. BTW, I get better times than the Civics at the AutoX events (not that that's saying much).

So now your telling me you chase cones and you still havent heard of the Type R Integra? Which by the way in case you didnt know means its not a civic :rolleyes:

You said it wasnt sold here in the states when MANY auto-X people were dying to get it here....and since have taken it to class championships and countless other accomplishments including real time racings Type R integras which were very near stock and competing and winning against the BMW's on TELEVISION.....mid-ohio, Laguna, streets of willow

So if your such a auto-x/ road course junkie the mere notion you have never even heard of a car which was bred for road courses is laughable to say the least......next thing you know your going to tell me what a waste a double wishbone suspension is :rolleyes:

SCCA... NASA... ECHC...take a look at any of these racing organizations websites and look at the national results and see if any ITR's are listed....since your such a twisty warrior I am sure you already have subscriptions to their monthly publications and probably read GRM...but based on your little "import" knowledge I would guess you skip the articles and skim for pictures of camaros :rolleyes: Pathetic indeed ...I guess youve never heard of the M coupe either

Kris93/95Z28

10-14-2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by rs500
Don't feel too bad about losing to a four banger. I used to drive a Merkur XR4 with the same motor. Those things will take 25 pounds of boost stock. It's not unheard of to see street SVOs or Merkurs with 400rwhp.

Absolutely not, I don't feel bad at all :). Like it said it wasn't the first, nor will it be the last:cool:

Actually now that you mention it one of times I went to the local import / sport compact days at the local track the 4 cyclinder Power Adder class went to a Merkur, he was running low 11s, and just humiliated the field, I don't think he lost until The King of the hill where they took all the class winners and runners up, and had one last big head to head race. If I remember right he lost to a Big Boost Supra :bow:

That car was crazy fast, and was blowing most everyone else away:eek:

snorkelface

10-14-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
So now your telling me you chase cones and you still havent heard of the Type R Integra? Which by the way in case you didnt know means its not a civic :rolleyes:

You said it wasnt sold here in the states when MANY auto-X people were dying to get it here....and since have taken it to class championships and countless other accomplishments including real time racings Type R integras which were very near stock and competing and winning against the BMW's on TELEVISION.....mid-ohio, Laguna, streets of willow

So if your such a auto-x/ road course junkie the mere notion you have never even heard of a car which was bred for road courses is laughable to say the least......next thing you know your going to tell me what a waste a double wishbone suspension is :rolleyes:

SCCA... NASA... ECHC...take a look at any of these racing organizations websites and look at the national results and see if any ITR's are listed....since your such a twisty warrior I am sure you already have subscriptions to their monthly publications and probably read GRM...but based on your little "import" knowledge I would guess you skip the articles and skim for pictures of camaros :rolleyes: Pathetic indeed ...I guess youve never heard of the M coupe either

Damn you are a retard! (no offense to any mentally challenged persons). I didn't know that ITR stood for that! I've personally never heard of someone referring to that car as an "ITR." So, yes, I am familiar with it, and know that it's a great handling car. You could have saved us from your overly-long post just by clarifying that. So, all your feeble attempts at belittling me were in vain. I'm soooooo sorry I'm not up on the import acronyms.:rolleyes: I never said it wasn't sold here, I said I BET it wasn't (which was a legitimate thought considering you always throw cars not sold here into the mix). Thanks for agreeing that you are pathetic, it makes these conversations much simpler. Yeah, I've heard of the M coupe. Too bad they stopped selling them (at least here).

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-14-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by snorkelface
Damn you are a retard! (no offense to any mentally challenged persons). I didn't know that ITR stood for that! I've personally never heard of someone referring to that car as an "ITR." So, yes, I am familiar with it, and know that it's a great handling car. You could have saved us from your overly-long post just by clarifying that. So, all your feeble attempts at belittling me were in vain. I'm soooooo sorry I'm not up on the import acronyms.:rolleyes: I never said it wasn't sold here, I said I BET it wasn't (which was a legitimate thought considering you always throw cars not sold here into the mix). Thanks for agreeing that you are pathetic, it makes these conversations much simpler. Yeah, I've heard of the M coupe. Too bad they stopped selling them (at least here).

Your such a ****ing moron...you BET and your were wrong as usaul....contibute nothing but garbage and talk a bunch of :bs:

Hmm lets see Integra Type R......ITR....hmm thats so hard to figure out :rolleyes:

whoa guy

10-15-2003, 12:37 AM

yawwwwnnn..... hondas or acuras...whatever model are econobox's made to sip gas if u want to dump thousands to a make it run 14s or 13s thats ur thing. I'll still make fun of you, but will admire your level persitence and motivation. i dont have anything against rice...except for their dumb*** image. yoyyoyyooyyoyoyy im i drive a pHat honda yo. if i want to go fast......i'll buy a fast car and make it go faster as opposed to a slow car and make it go.....well....sorta faster. im happy with my almost stock 13sec ls1. okbye.

Kris93/95Z28

10-15-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by whoa guy
yawwwwnnn..... hondas or acuras...whatever model are econobox's made to sip gas if u want to dump thousands to a make it run 14s or 13s thats ur thing. I'll still make fun of you, but will admire your level persitence and motivation. i dont have anything against rice...except for their dumb*** image. yoyyoyyooyyoyoyy im i drive a pHat honda yo. if i want to go fast......i'll buy a fast car and make it go faster as opposed to a slow car and make it go.....well....sorta faster. im happy with my almost stock 13sec ls1. okbye.

Well to each his own, my thing is if your going to do something do it with some TACT, and THOUGHT. Rice comes in all flavors and is usually the same to me, whether it be Honda or GM...

If you take a 15 sec car and make it a 13 sec car there is some accomplishment in that, just the way you'd feel if you took your 13 sec car and made it an 11 sec car. If they enjoy to mod and build a different type of make then us, who cares?

Like has been stated many, many times. FAST is relative, to a semi truck, my cars are fast, yet to top fuel dragster my cars are very slow... Just because your car is faster than the average whatever doesn't mean there is always someone higher on the food chain ;) The same argument can be said about a Camaro owner by a Viper owner, "Why buy a slow Camaro and mod it to run low twelves when a Viper can do it stock?" It is ALL relative -- remember that.

If you want to talk about going fast from your starting point .. The most cost effective way I can think is to take an Late 70s muscle car ( Is that an Oxymoron? j/k lol ), with a tired engine, fix it up put a mean engine in it and run 10s all day long, makes you wonder why we waste our time with Slow 13 sec cars? Like I said its ALL relative :)

Bluntdogg

10-15-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Kris93/95Z28
Well to each his own, my thing is if your going to do something do it with some TACT, and THOUGHT. Rice comes in all flavors and is usually the same to me, whether it be Honda or GM...

If you take a 15 sec car and make it a 13 sec car there is some accomplishment in that, just the way you'd feel if you took your 13 sec car and made it an 11 sec car. If they enjoy to mod and build a different type of make then us, who cares?

Like has been stated many, many times. FAST is relative, to a semi truck, my cars are fast, yet to top fuel dragster my cars are very slow... Just because your car is faster than the average whatever doesn't mean there is always someone higher on the food chain ;) The same argument can be said about a Camaro owner by a Viper owner, "Why buy a slow Camaro and mod it to run low twelves when a Viper can do it stock?" It is ALL relative -- remember that.

If you want to talk about going fast from your starting point .. The most cost effective way I can think is to take an Late 70s muscle car ( Is that an Oxymoron? j/k lol ), with a tired engine, fix it up put a mean engine in it and run 10s all day long, makes you wonder why we waste our time with Slow 13 sec cars? Like I said its ALL relative :)

Great post man. I understand that some people here aren't going to like imports just because, but man sometimes the ignorance displayed by certain individuals is just unbelievable. The whole Viper-Camaro thing really proves the entire point. I'm glad some people here can see the big picture. :bow:

snorkelface

10-15-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Your such a ****ing moron...you BET and your were wrong as usaul....contibute nothing but garbage and talk a bunch of :bs:

Hmm lets see Integra Type R......ITR....hmm thats so hard to figure out :rolleyes:

Um, I'm a moron? Yes, I said I bet, and was wrong. I'm at least a big enough man (which we know you are a little man) to admit that. However, notice how I don't say that I KNOW something when I don't know that as a factual truth, thus my choice verbiage.

It looks like I hit the nail on the head about you being a little man, and no one liking you. You've become quite testy (not literally, because you don't have those:lol:)

Hmm, wrong as usual, and contributing nothing but BS? I invite anyone to do a search on my user name and observe all of the amount of times I've posted erroneous info, "contribute nothing but garbage and talk a bunch of bs." As usual, you just blurt out things just to try to make yourself look better, or discredit others, knowing (or maybe not since you seem to lack sufficient active synapses to process adequate info) that it's not even the case.

Well, I don't keep my mind in Honda/Acura mode, so not piecing together a stupid acronym isn't that big of a deal. It's OK though, try to blow it out of proportion to make yourself feel a little bigger.:rolleyes:

Steve Y

10-15-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Kris93/95Z28

Like has been stated many, many times. FAST is relative, to a semi truck, my cars are fast, yet to top fuel dragster my cars are very slow... Just because your car is faster than the average whatever doesn't mean there is always someone higher on the food chain ;) The same argument can be said about a Camaro owner by a Viper owner, "Why buy a slow Camaro and mod it to run low twelves when a Viper can do it stock?"

Because the older slower Vipers costs at least $35K used and a good used LS1 costs $10K.

If you want to talk about going fast from your starting point .. The most cost effective way I can think is to take an Late 70s muscle car ( Is that an Oxymoron? j/k lol ), with a tired engine, fix it up put a mean engine in it and run 10s all day long, makes you wonder why we waste our time with Slow 13 sec cars? Like I said its ALL relative :)

True, but then you have an old car with old technology, crappy handling, crappy braking, no a/c, no cd player, no traction control, no abs, etc. etc. that is fast. There is more to life than straight line speed. If not then you are right about buying an old car and dropping in a big block, or get a crotch rocket.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-15-2003, 05:38 PM

whoa guy

10-15-2003, 05:51 PM

cavalier is the daily driver.....its purple and the left fender is busted. i dont care. if i had the money for a viper or a ferrari, id might have one. i mean....after all....i see vipers and ferraris and all kinds of exotics all the time!! not. if i had one, it would just be like all the others. in a garage with 2 miles on it. WHY? because they are so damn expensive!

point blank. i dont like hondas and i dont like neons and i dont like anything that was not meant to be fast. stock is of course ok, but its super lame when ur honda sounds like a fart... okbye.

if u dont like my opinion.......too bad for you sergio

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-15-2003, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by whoa guy
cavalier is the daily driver.....its purple and the left fender is busted. i dont care. if i had the money for a viper or a ferrari, id might have one. i mean....after all....i see vipers and ferraris and all kinds of exotics all the time!! not. if i had one, it would just be like all the others. in a garage with 2 miles on it. WHY? because they are so damn expensive!

point blank. i dont like hondas and i dont like neons and i dont like anything that was not meant to be fast. stock is of course ok, but its super lame when ur honda sounds like a fart... okbye.

if u dont like my opinion.......too bad for you sergio

Your ignorance is what I dislike...you like to sit back and act like a snob who thinks his platform is the best when everyone knows stock for stock your car is slower than many many many other cars.

You lack vision and probably couldnt tell me the strenghts and weaknesses of any other car except your Z and are probably a little nieve in that department too

You car is just a car.....its a Chevy...not a Ferrari...its an F-body....not a GT3 porche

SO to sit there and try to act like you drive gods chariot is stupid, ignorant and shows just how little you really understand about motorsports or cars in general

Passing jugdement on a car based on marketing shows how little you know about a specific platform you choose to make fun of even when said platform is quicker, handles better and takes more abuse than your "stock" F-body....

My opinion is your a POSEUR and not a racer....there is a huge difference and I suspect you will contribute little if anything on the topic of motorsports and how different platforms compare and compete

whoa guy

10-15-2003, 06:18 PM

haaa... an f-body is hardly the best damn car ever...yea right. most are creeky..plastic, and rattle. its cheap speed. hondas are slow econobox's...just like my crapped out cavalier. yawwwn....whatever dude. u make me laugh. u are funny. my car is way better than ur honda though...i'll tell you that. arrogant...maybe...yea. i know when not to talk. but i know when to laugh...im laughing at you. bye bye

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-15-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by whoa guy
haaa... an f-body is hardly the best damn car ever...yea right. most are creeky..plastic, and rattle. its cheap speed. hondas are slow econobox's...just like my crapped out cavalier. yawwwn....whatever dude. u make me laugh. u are funny. my car is way better than ur honda though...i'll tell you that. arrogant...maybe...yea. i know when not to talk. but i know when to laugh...im laughing at you. bye bye

How is it "better" quanitfy it and maybe youll have a leg to stand on....I doubt youll even attempt to....another pointless post where you make no point and have nothing factual to bring to the table except for you narrow skiewed view of an opinion based on your limited experiece

Ignorance is bliss and you sure look to be one blissful mofo

Bluntdogg

10-15-2003, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
How is it "better" quanitfy it and maybe youll have a leg to stand on

I know I said this to you in another thread, but I'd much rather have a stock SS than a Civic Hatchback, be it running 16 seconds or 11. I can respect your car for the performance it has and can obtain, but the car itself just does absolutely NOTHING for me. Civic HB's were built strictly for economic reasons by Honda and they should stay that way. Just my humble opinion, I'll let you two get back to trading insults. :cool:

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-15-2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Bluntdogg
I know I said this to you in another thread, but I'd much rather have a stock SS than a Civic Hatchback, be it running 16 seconds or 11. I can respect your car for the performance it has and can obtain, but the car itself just does absolutely NOTHING for me. Civic HB's were built strictly for economic reasons by Honda and they should stay that way. Just my humble opinion, I'll let you two get back to trading insults. :cool:

What something "does" for you doesnt make it any "better" factually...opinion sure you can think whatever you want....but say X is better than Y requires some info.....why is it better with hard facts

Red is better than blue....because I said so :rolleyes:

Thats how I look at his comments...

I'd much rather have an M coupe instead of a stock SS...but I dont go around touting the M coupe as the greatest car of all time or saying...you drive a chevy...the M is a BMW...its the standard POSEUR method of thinking.....who gives a **** what the car is.....what can it do...trade facts and specs...not opinions when comparing a car

whoa guy

10-16-2003, 01:00 AM

you can call me narrow-minded...you can say that i have no knowledge or whatever u said. u need not be offended because i dont like hondas. im saying the fbody is a better car that ur hatchback. u can call me arrogant whatever dude. i do my own thing at the track. i dont have a group of buddies or anything like that. i dont go yoyoyoyo phHAt honda....or dude sweet 'stang or 'maro. i go to race.....whether its a honda or a "ferrari" as you like to bring up numerous times. if i want cheap speed im going to have an f-body. if i want luxury performance, i'll get an M coupe. they are nice cars. i wouldnt mind having one. to race out..............no. drive a cheap gas saving honda hatch....sure i would. would i race out......no. keep tearin up and modding ur honda. I'll stick to not doing much with my pretty much stock ls1 and faster than ur as* honda. bye bye.

Kris93/95Z28

10-16-2003, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by whoa guy
you can call me narrow-minded...you can say that i have no knowledge or whatever u said. u need not be offended because i dont like hondas. im saying the fbody is a better car that ur hatchback. u can call me arrogant whatever dude. i do my own thing at the track. i dont have a group of buddies or anything like that. i dont go yoyoyoyo phHAt honda....or dude sweet 'stang or 'maro. i go to race.....whether its a honda or a "ferrari" as you like to bring up numerous times. if i want cheap speed im going to have an f-body. if i want luxury performance, i'll get an M coupe. they are nice cars. i wouldnt mind having one. to race out..............no. drive a cheap gas saving honda hatch....sure i would. would i race out......no. keep tearin up and modding ur honda. I'll stick to not doing much with my pretty much stock ls1 and faster than ur as* honda. bye bye.

:confused: Was this post encrypted or something?:confused:

Bluntdogg

10-16-2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
What something "does" for you doesnt make it any "better" factually...opinion sure you can think whatever you want....but say X is better than Y requires some info.....why is it better with hard facts

Red is better than blue....because I said so :rolleyes:

Thats how I look at his comments...

I'd much rather have an M coupe instead of a stock SS...but I dont go around touting the M coupe as the greatest car of all time or saying...you drive a chevy...the M is a BMW...its the standard POSEUR method of thinking.....who gives a **** what the car is.....what can it do...trade facts and specs...not opinions when comparing a car

Alright well if you want to get down to being "factually"...

I think it's silly to take a car designed to be a gas-thrifty commuter car and spend loads of money to first swap an engine, then add an expensive turbo kit on top of all the other mods needed. Why not start out with a car originally designed with the intent of being a sporty, performance car? Now I'm not saying you have to get a V8 muscle car, but like I've said in the past, I would choose to modify an Integra/S2000/Prelude way before a Civic.

I think that a Civic Hatchback screams nothing more to a majority of people than "economy car". Can it be made fast? Sure. Anything in the automotive world can be made fast, minivans running 11's for example. I will always be bitter towards Civics because they are the highest percentage of modified Hondas while really being the only car designed by Honda not to be "sporty" (Si withstanding). Bottom line the Civic was built to be an affordable economic car and IMO it makes no sense that it is modified much more often than a Prelude or Integra. So I don't understand why people choose an conomic car to modifiy when their own manufacturer produces much better options.

I would rather have an M3 then my SS as well. But I would much rather have my SS then your Civic. Maybe you fail to realize that the SS is more than just a cheap F-Body with a nice engine, but a car that has had a long and glorious history in automotive performance and one that I feel proud to own. I like having guys with classic 60's muscle cars giving me compliments on my ride. A thought-process like this may not mean anything to you, but it does to me. At 22 I'm much more proud to drive my SS now than I ever was in my Talon; I don't feel like a boy-racer anymore but someone with a classy ride that has gotten a lot more compliments in 2 months from non-car people then the Talon ever did in 3 years.

An F-Body is both a better platform to build a drag racer from, and a car that has had a much more important place and prestige in performance history. There's your facts. As for opinions, it also looks a hell of a lot nicer and meaner than a Civic Hatch and draws much more attention. If you want to get all pissy over my opinion, be my guest. I never discredited the performance capabilities of your car... just that there is a LOOOONG list of performance cars I would much rather have then a Civic HB. But as long as you love your car, then what does it really matter what I think anyways, right? ;)

Steve Y

10-16-2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
How is it "better" quanitfy it

I will try to quantify it. Compare a stock '02 SS Camaro to a stock '02 Civic (not Si, just base Civic). The Camaro is better in these ways: faster acceleration and top speed, better handling, better braking, more sporty looking, better to get in a wreck in, better to pick up chicks in, more fun to drive, more head turning, better sounding, better heritage, bad boy image, better drag racing platform, etc. We all know the Civic is better than the Camaro in a # of ways as well: gas mileage, price, resale value, safer because it's slower, insurance prices, reliability, spark plug change, conservative image, easier to live with on a daily basis, easier to see out of, no stupid hump in passenger floorboard, etc.

whoa guy

10-16-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Bluntdogg
Alright well if you want to get down to being "factually"...

I think it's silly to take a car designed to be a gas-thrifty commuter car and spend loads of money to first swap an engine, then add an expensive turbo kit on top of all the other mods needed. Why not start out with a car originally designed with the intent of being a sporty, performance car? Now I'm not saying you have to get a V8 muscle car.............................

amen.

my new z looks alot nicer than my old one. its going to stay that way too. the more dumb stuff u do (meaning body/exterior and interior) the more people laugh at you and dont take u seriously. u get more respect from keeping ur cars looks like way it came from the factory. ive got more compliments off the new one then i have the old one...and ive only had the new Z a week.

southpaw

10-17-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Bluntdogg

...I would choose to modify an Integra/S2000/Prelude way before a Civic.

I would never consider the Prelude to be sporty in anyway. Its a sorry ass car. FWD, 4-banger in the heavier honda.
Being an EX-import ricer myself, a civic can be made faster than any of the options listed. If i was on the import road again, I would with no doubt choose a civic over a integra, s2000, or prelude. (Of course, Supras TT and RX-7 TT not being in my list of import choices)
However after owning a Z28 Camaro, there is a WORLD of difference between owning a muscle car and a import econobox. Dont get me wrong, Civics can be made fast and to be handled like a dream but a Z28 gives all that to you PLUS the feel and looks of a REAL performance car. IMHO.
Bottom line, its based on what we want in a car and at what prices we can afford. Sure, if you want a Viper or Ferrari, you could probably own one instead of modding up your Civic/Camaro but can you handle the ONGOING insurances ? Will you have enough to upkeep the vehicle ? The last time I heard, a clutch job for the Ferrari is about 1500 bucks. (LABOR only)

We shouldnt be bashing each other for what vehicles we drive, instead just giving out humble opinions on what we feel.
:D

Bluntdogg

10-17-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by southpaw
I would never consider the Prelude to be sporty in anyway. Its a sorry ass car. FWD, 4-banger in the heavier honda.

Honda marketed the Prelude as it's "sports" car. Stock for stock it's faster than any Civic by far. Now I agree if you're going for all out speed (ala track-only car) then yes a Civic Hatch would be the best choice due to it's weight. But for street driving, I stick by my opinion. For one, you start out with the engine that alot of Civic guys will have to swap into their cars to being with, but more importantly to me is that it's just a better looking and nicer all-around car overall. Regardless of how fast a car is, if it looks like crap then I don't really care. Chalk me up as a person who values appearance just as much as performance.

I see so many modded Civic EX Coupes with their whopping 127hp engine. THAT is what I'm talking about... why the hell do these people even bother? At least doing the basic mods on a GSR/Prelude have you in the 14's and with a much nicer looking car to boot IMO.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-20-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by southpaw
I would never consider the Prelude to be sporty in anyway. Its a sorry ass car. FWD, 4-banger in the heavier honda.
Being an EX-import ricer myself, a civic can be made faster than any of the options listed. If i was on the import road again, I would with no doubt choose a civic over a integra, s2000, or prelude. (Of course, Supras TT and RX-7 TT not being in my list of import choices)
However after owning a Z28 Camaro, there is a WORLD of difference between owning a muscle car and a import econobox. Dont get me wrong, Civics can be made fast and to be handled like a dream but a Z28 gives all that to you PLUS the feel and looks of a REAL performance car. IMHO.
Bottom line, its based on what we want in a car and at what prices we can afford. Sure, if you want a Viper or Ferrari, you could probably own one instead of modding up your Civic/Camaro but can you handle the ONGOING insurances ? Will you have enough to upkeep the vehicle ? The last time I heard, a clutch job for the Ferrari is about 1500 bucks. (LABOR only)

We shouldnt be bashing each other for what vehicles we drive, instead just giving out humble opinions on what we feel.
:D

The prelude was teh test bed for a lot of crap from Honda they eventually didnt need....ATTS...4 wheel steering...different stereo options etc...it was always weighed down and too expensive for younger people to modify.....insurance and initial purchase price were a big factor almost as much as weight

Talking about the civic not being "performance" minded is silly...it has won more championships for Honda than the prelude, integra and S2000 COMBINED...yes COMBINED...the civic has been around for 30 years and has continually made progress both on the circuit and on the street.

Just because your unfamilair with this history Blunt doesnt mean it isnt there.....the name Honda is a BIG name in motorsports...with a very successful WORLDWIDE racing focus. F1..JGTCC...N1 ...Formula 2000..motorcycles....dirtbikes....ATV's...hell even championship winning shifter karts are powered by Honda

My civic has a longer wheelbase, wider track and shorter overhangs than most cars including the prelude/S2K/Integra....its also the lighter of these cars...has the most headroom...and is the cheapest to insure...maintain and fix

US civics are watered down no doubt....but your telling me the Civic wasnt "performace" minded when the Civic Type R pretty much dominates its class and shares the same chassis (especially suspension geometry) with my chassis...a simple motor and brake change and you have a car thats practically worshiped for handling and balance and extremely predictable breakaway

If you did more racing than street driving than I think youd appreciate the civics more Blunt.....I dont really care if susie scoccer mom thinks my car is a go-kart....she's a soccer mom who doesnt even know what DOHC stands for?

Basing your car buying decisions on others "perceptions" is silly....I buy what works for me....a car thats balanced and predictable and is cheap to insure works for me....I dont really care what people who have no clue think because the people that "get" my kind of car are the same people who love racing....any and all racing.....not just drag...my civic is not a "drag" car....but that doesnt mean I cant "drag" race with it and :gasp: win a championship my rookie season drag racing

Camaros and Mustangs are NOT muscle cars...they are PONY cars and are also classified as GT cars for racing....if you want to compare them to GT cars we can do that....but youll see it as a GT whos characteristics arent those that are sought after....

Now as prime american muscle...sure a solid axle 13 sec car is great.....not my style really....I am a little more understated and would rather you expect to win and find out the hard way than drive a car you "expect" to be fast....also I said M coupe...not M3...the M3 is for wussies....the M coupe is a whole breed different

3000lbs (BMW excess lux crap / figure 2600lbs in serg mode) ...two seats...front engine...rwd....hatch....about the size of my civic and even lower.....with phenominal handling limits and a 3.2L motor thats proven...not an LS1...but its pretty easy to push 300+ft lbs from it without much effort...thats a GT with my style....small...low...big motor..bigger tires :eek:

Steve Y

10-20-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo

Talking about the civic not being "performance" minded is silly...

Stock Civics sold in America are not performance minded in straightline speed. They handle well and stop well, though.

US civics are watered down no doubt....

Honda really shot themselves in the foot with that one!

Camaros and Mustangs are NOT muscle cars...they are PONY cars

What are the definitions of muscle car and pony car?

FastZinTennessee

10-20-2003, 02:10 PM

Arguments involving honda hatchback drivers are funny. They never seem to recognize the fact that it TOOK A WHOLE NEW MOTOR TO MAKE THEIR CAR RUN WORTH A FU<K!!!!

Maybe they're not aware of it because the B16 or the B18 fairy stopped by one night and put a new motor in their car while they were sleeping. Then the next morning the awakened to "m/\D tiTe dom3stiC buStinG perFoRmanCe, y'all!!!!" But for all they knew it was the stock motor with an intake and header!!!

Honda guy: Hey domestic owner, I'm not very impressed by the performance of stock vehicles from ford or GM, after all, my civic hatchcrap is only bolt ons and a new motor away from staying right there with you or beating you!! It's sad when you think how easy it is for me to hop my car up, it's only replacing the whole motor!! Then you will bow down to my craptastic econobox commuter car!! It'll accelerate like a rocket, handle like it's on rails and last longer, because it's japanese:rolleyes:

Domestic guy: <brain on overload from bullsh!t that was just spewed by honda guy>

Steve Y

10-20-2003, 02:14 PM

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-20-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
Arguments involving honda hatchback drivers are funny. They never seem to recognize the fact that it TOOK A WHOLE NEW MOTOR TO MAKE THEIR CAR RUN WORTH A FU<K!!!!

Maybe they're not aware of it because the B16 or the B18 fairy stopped by one night and put a new motor in their car while they were sleeping. Then the next morning the awakened to "m/\D tiTe dom3stiC buStinG perFoRmanCe, y'all!!!!" But for all they knew it was the stock motor with an intake and header!!!

Honda guy: Hey domestic owner, I'm not very impressed by the performance of stock vehicles from ford or GM, after all, my civic hatchcrap is only bolt ons and a new motor away from staying right there with you or beating you!! It's sad when you think how easy it is for me to hop my car up, it's only replacing the whole motor!! Then you will bow down to my craptastic econobox commuter car!! It'll accelerate like a rocket, handle like it's on rails and last longer, because it's japanese:rolleyes:

Domestic guy: <brain on overload from bullsh!t that was just spewed by honda guy>

Hmm lets rethink who invented the process of motorswaps.....Hot Rodders...hmm...take out the old motor...drop in a better one...make a slow car...fast....

And dropping in a VTEC motor in a civic would differ how? Oh thats right its the same ****ing thing :rolleyes:

Never mind that The LT1 and LS1 were the fastest camaros ever produced...or that they are 8 cyls or 5.7 liters......lets focus on the need for the super 1.8L motor it takes to keep up :rolleyes: something a little fuzzy here?

Why is it nobody talks about the older camaros? The super quick 15 and 16 sec wonders with 5+ liters?

The MAJORIY of pony cars are slower than these "rice" burners....thats a fact....so now your trying to compare a 5.7L GT car with a FF 1.6 or 1.8L car and trying to make light of A) its a naturally aspirated 1800cc motor B) only has 4 cyls yet keeps up if not outruns cars with 2 and 3 times the motor and double the cyls

Wow impressive......if the little Japanese cars are that quick with 1800cc's I wonder how fast those 2.4L J bodies are....they must break the damn sound barrier....cause they are american :rolleyes:

If all that mattered was collecting timeslips than people would drive pretty mundane cars....quick in a straight line but thats about it....pretty boring

Bluntdogg

10-20-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
ThUS civics are watered down no doubt....but your telling me the Civic wasnt "performace" minded when the Civic Type R pretty much dominates its class and shares the same chassis (especially suspension geometry) with my chassis...a simple motor and brake change and you have a car thats practically worshiped for handling and balance and extremely predictable breakaway

ONCE AGAIN, and hopefully for the god damn last time.... who in the UNITED STATES drive an f'in Civic Type R? That's right, NO one. Even you said in your post that the US has watered down the Civic... news flash Sergio, you and I live in the United States, not Japan. Jesus I don't see why you always bring up the CTR like it's available to the 280 million people in this country. :rolleyes:

If that were the case, then yes I agree the Civic is a potent car. But your 110hp EK Hatch stock was not, a Civic EX is not, and even the holy riceboy car the Civic Si is not a potent car compared to any of Hondas other offerings. That's why I wonder why it's still modified tenfold over any of the Hondas, with its looks being subpar to the rest as well. "But with a simple brake and motor change..." Hah with a simple motor and brake change I could have a 427 in my car making in excess of 500rwhp NA. :p But that wouldn't be impressive in your eyes.

I know about all Honda's history in peformance racing, as well as their street bikes. But please tell me, WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MASS PRODUCTION CARS HONDA BUILDS? I put that one in caps to really get your attention. What does a Honda formula racer have to do with the 110hp EK Hatch that you bought? I find it funny that you always bring up these silly irrelevant arguments. What does a race car that you will never drive on the street have to do with your car? Please enlighten me.

As far as my car... I didn't buy it for other people's "perceptions" of me. I bought it because it is a car I find to be a great combination of performance and appearance in a sensible package for modding further. I do not find your car appealing to me in this regard one bit. If I were buying a car strictly for gas-economy reasons, your hatch would be at the top... or if I were building a SCCA racer, it would receive consideration. But in terms of having a fast, awesome-looking and sounding car that I think is great as well as many others I know, your car wouldn't even be in the same region regardless of how fast it is/can be. Dude I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. I will never see myself buying an EK Honda Civic Hatchback to modify into a performance machine. It's not my idea of a "sweet" car. It fits the bill as a great "daily-driver" though.

Steve Y

10-20-2003, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo

Never mind that The LT1 and LS1 were the fastest camaros ever produced...or that they are 8 cyls or 5.7 liters......lets focus on the need for the super 1.8L motor it takes to keep up :rolleyes: something a little fuzzy here?

In a very light little car.

Why is it nobody talks about the older camaros? The super quick 15 and 16 sec wonders with 5+ liters?

How about older Civics? Those 19 second wonders.

The MAJORIY of pony cars are slower than these "rice" burners

What "rice" burners are those? Comparing a motor swapped Civic to a stock pony car again?

FastZinTennessee

10-20-2003, 03:24 PM

blah blah blah 1800cc's keep up with stock V8s, blah blah blah. That's great serg, if my car was a 2000lb sh!twagon then I wouldn't need a V8 to haul ass now would I? What in the fu<k does the size of the engine you would swap in to a hatchcrap have to do with the fact that stock civics like yours are slow pieces of garbage that are made for economy and they need a motor swap to keep up with stock "GT" cars as you call them?? I'm glad that GM left room for improvement in my engine! That way I can port the heads, swap parts etc, it makes it feel like mine. I don't need to buy a high strung four banger to make me feel like my car is worth something.

I'd like to go ahead and take a moment to bow down to the almighty "civic type R". For those of you who don't know, this little front wheel drive wonder is practically the envy of every race car driver out there. Once Mario Andretti was quoted as saying to his race team "damn boys, too bad driving a civic type R in the races this season is not allowed, because if it was I could sure clean up, these other drivers wouldn't know what hit 'em!!" Also, John Force was quoted as saying "I really wish I could drag a civic type R this year, I don't know how honda does it, but through their superior engineering, and the use of the letter R they have created an unparralelled drag car, forget a blown hemi V8, honda four cylinder front wheel drive powAr is where it's at!!!"

Steve Y

10-20-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by FastZinTennessee
blah blah blah 1800cc's keep up with stock V8s, blah blah blah. That's great serg, if my car was a 2000lb sh!twagon then I wouldn't need a V8 to haul ass now would I? What in the fu<k does the size of the engine you would swap in to a hatchcrap have to do with the fact that stock civics like yours are slow pieces of garbage that are made for economy and they need a motor swap to keep up with stock "GT" cars as you call them?? I'm glad that GM left room for improvement in my engine! That way I can port the heads, swap parts etc, it makes it feel like mine. I don't need to buy a high strung four banger to make me feel like my car is worth something.

I'd like to go ahead and take a moment to bow down to the almighty "civic type R". For those of you who don't know, this little front wheel drive wonder is practically the envy of every race car driver out there. Once Mario Andretti was quoted as saying to his race team "damn boys, too bad driving a civic type R in the races this season is not allowed, because if it was I could sure clean up, these other drivers wouldn't know what hit 'em!!" Also, John Force was quoted as saying "I really wish I could drag a civic type R this year, I don't know how honda does it, but through their superior engineering, and the use of the letter R they have created an unparralelled drag car, forget a blown hemi V8, honda four cylinder front wheel drive powAr is where it's at!!!"

LMAO!!!! :bow: :bow: :bow:

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-20-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Bluntdogg
ONCE AGAIN, and hopefully for the god damn last time.... who in the UNITED STATES drive an f'in Civic Type R? That's right, NO one. Even you said in your post that the US has watered down the Civic... news flash Sergio, you and I live in the United States, not Japan. Jesus I don't see why you always bring up the CTR like it's available to the 280 million people in this country.

My EK which was built with parts available HERE in the united states is faster than a type R...handling wise pretty close....braking wise still need to upgrade....its EASIER to surpass a CTR than to reproduce one

If that were the case, then yes I agree the Civic is a potent car. But your 110hp EK Hatch stock was not....

I had a lot of suspension mods and even with only 106hp was ALOT of fun

That's why I wonder why it's still modified tenfold over any of the Hondas....modified by who and to what purpose...check the drag strip and count the number of coupes vs hatchs....hatchs win hands down

"But with a simple brake and motor change..." Hah with a simple motor and brake change I could have a 427 in my car making in excess of 500rwhp NA. :p

So why not throw a 500whp B22 with 400ft lbs of torque and only 2200lbs?

I know about all Honda's history in peformance racing, as well as their street bikes. But please tell me, WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE MASS PRODUCTION CARS HONDA BUILDS?

So if you are familair with their history how can you ask me this question? Sine the N1 enduros and 1 make racing series cars are PRODUCTION racers....95% production equipment on them and the rest is safety mods

What does a Honda formula racer have to do with the 110hp EK Hatch that you bought?

The double wishbone suspension design was a big step in creating a car that could be very tossable. The variable valve timing and lift system used was pioneered in F1.....I use it every day and can switch between cam profiles very smoothly.....how many cam profiles can you switch to?

I find it funny that you always bring up these silly irrelevant arguments.

What does a race car that you will never drive on the street have to do with your car?

The N1 enduro cars are probably THE closest to factory race as you can get.......all of their compnonents cross over and are used in street cars...by the serious guys....you think the term N1 is just a marketing scheme for Apex-i, TEIN, Toda? These parts are engineered on the circuits and are used by people who only care about going faster...not cruising the block

Please enlighten me.

It seems you THINK you know Hondas but the first and most important reason I got into them was N1.....reproducing an N1 racer that I could drive everyday....I have the motor, I have the suspension...all I need is the brakes and a cage

If I can build an N1 car in the states anyone can....if people knew what N1 was they would probably be more apt to accepting just how good EK's and EG hatchbacks are.....they are roadcourse machines ...the suspension is the same...the cars are production...the motors are the same

The drag thing is a hobby...road racing is much harsher and much more involved on a grass roots level....when you enter a playing field where power/traction/handling/balance and driver matter for longer periods youll find some cars are better than others and there not always the cars you thought of.

An FF isnt the BEST combo but IMO neither is FR or RR....but each setup can be very competitive on a lower level like which we the enthusiasts compete at and even slightly higher levels

The Speedvision cup was a great example of just how good the EK/EG chassis is................with mod restrictions Roger Foo entered a class where teh going rate for a competitve car was 80-90K....some were 150K.....Roger built his hatch for 12K and was very competitive and even won at Laguna...if a 12K EG with 15" wheels can compete with a BMW that says alot about the chassis

People dont like the way the M coupe looks either....thats fine...I dont really care about winning car shows....but those who do like it are guys like me....you can call it ugly, you can call it slow but never doubt its capabilities or doubt that it cant perform because the chassis has proven itself in scca, drag and road course racing duty....and been VERY successful

1st Naturally aspirated 4cyl into the 9's (2200cc's no less)

Unibody low 8 sec cars....not tube framed, not tubbed....factory unibody 4cyls at 2200cc's or less

As far as my car... I didn't buy it for other people's "perceptions" of me. I bought it because it is a car I find to be a great combination of performance and appearance in a sensible package for modding further.

What mods are planned and for what purpose?

I do not find your car appealing to me in this regard one bit. If I were buying a car strictly for gas-economy reasons, your hatch would be at the top... or if I were building a SCCA racer, it would receive consideration. But in terms of having a fast, awesome-looking and sounding car that I think is great as well as many others I know, your car wouldn't even be in the same region regardless of how fast it is/can be. Dude I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. I will never see myself buying an EK Honda Civic Hatchback to modify into a performance machine. It's not my idea of a "sweet" car. It fits the bill as a great "daily-driver" though.

Your opinion is fine....I am glad you like your car....but that doesnt take anything away from a chassis thats capable of holding more than 1g in cornering on STREET tires let alone R compounds or racing slicks....its a mean little road machine....add a little power and it becomes quite a threat....see which cars can hold more than 1g on street tires....youll see just how good the company it keeps is :D

http://www.project-mu.co.jp/images/pics/cars/ancle-ek9.jpg
This is an N1 civic.....take off the stickers and the mods you see are available over the counter....bring $$$

Kris93/95Z28

10-20-2003, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
....

Never mind that The LT1 and LS1 were the fastest camaros ever produced...or that they are 8 cyls or 5.7 liters......lets focus on the need for the super 1.8L motor it takes to keep up :rolleyes: something a little fuzzy here?

Why is it nobody talks about the older camaros? The super quick 15 and 16 sec wonders with 5+ liters?

The MAJORIY of pony cars are slower than these "rice" burners....thats a fact....so now your trying to compare a 5.7L GT car with a FF 1.6 or 1.8L car and trying to make light of A) its a naturally aspirated 1800cc motor B) only has 4 cyls yet keeps up if not outruns cars with 2 and 3 times the motor and double the cyls

Wow impressive......if the little Japanese cars are that quick with 1800cc's I wonder how fast those 2.4L J bodies are....they must break the damn sound barrier....cause they are american :rolleyes:

Sergio: You are comparing Apples, and Oranges. First off, if you want to talk about the 15~16 sec Older "Muscle Cars" LETS talk about the 19~20 Sec Foreign Econo Boxes from the 70s, and 80s too..

Another big point to ponder is the fact that YES most imports are giving up a HUGE disadvantage in cubes, BUT MOST domestic cars are giving up a huge disadvantage in WEIGHT.

So I guess I could say my car weight 500 lbs more and is faster, just the way you could say my car has 3 less liters and is faster. Please, Approach it as power to weight if you are going to make the your motor is bigger than my motor argument.

But I do see what you are saying, and I am impressed about the amount of power They are wringing out of smaller and smaller engines, the S2000 is a great example of what is possible when engineers put their heads together and try to make big power from a little package.

whoa guy

10-20-2003, 09:58 PM

ur honda hatch blows.

okbye

Kris93/95Z28

10-20-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by whoa guy
ur honda hatch blows.

okbye

Wow, not only was that a useless post, but it makes the rest of us look like idiots. THANKS for that great info. :mad:
You are a scholar! Please do not let anyone tell you any different:rolleyes:

whoa guy

10-20-2003, 11:24 PM

radical....no dude...i only intended myself to look like an idiot.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-21-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Kris93/95Z28
Sergio: You are comparing Apples, and Oranges. First off, if you want to talk about the 15~16 sec Older "Muscle Cars" LETS talk about the 19~20 Sec Foreign Econo Boxes from the 70s, and 80s too..

Another big point to ponder is the fact that YES most imports are giving up a HUGE disadvantage in cubes, BUT MOST domestic cars are giving up a huge disadvantage in WEIGHT.

So I guess I could say my car weight 500 lbs more and is faster, just the way you could say my car has 3 less liters and is faster. Please, Approach it as power to weight if you are going to make the your motor is bigger than my motor argument.

But I do see what you are saying, and I am impressed about the amount of power They are wringing out of smaller and smaller engines, the S2000 is a great example of what is possible when engineers put their heads together and try to make big power from a little package.

We have gone over this Civics pull more weight for the size of their motor...end of story....dont believe me 3400/350 = 9.7 lbs per cube 2450/110 = 22 lbs per cube

Where is the weight advantage?

1989.........B16 CRX = 14.9-15.2

What did third gen camaro's run in 1989?

1996 Integra type R 14.6-15.2
2000 Integra type R 14.5-14.9 modded with I/H/E 13.70's

Now comparing an FF 1.8L to a FR 5.7L is silly because of sheer engine displacement and drivetrain....for a direct comparison

Here I am using Honda's.....why...cause I know if I start using Supra's, RX7's, Skylines everyone gets all pissy, complains about price and availability blah blah blah even those these sub 3.0L cars are capable of VERY impressive power figures no one really likes to admit it here

Every car has a weakness at our price level...some we choose to live with and others we mod to get rid of them......so now Hondas are garbage huh? LOL see how ridiculous the comments get....you contradict known facts of realibilty, build quality etc..to try to make the car looks bad....amazing

Hondas are not super fast out of the box.....but comapre them to other NA FF 4 bangers and try to tell me they are not the quickest, best handling and best looking cars in that market....then research mod potential and tell me the civic isnt capable of running anthing it wants to without a motor swap even....compare them to J bodies, neons, mitsu mirage, nissan sentra etc...find something faster NA 4 banger FF....try to

GT cars are a whole other breed...I can recognize that....but people in this forum dont like being comapred with other GT class cars because all the other GT cars cost too much.....A stock NSX these days runs high 12's with an NA 3.2L 6 cyl, a BPU Supra, RX7, Skyline...all 12 second contenders with minimal mods...and thats the low rent *** crap.....we havent begun to factor Z06's, TT Porches, Enzo ferraris, etc...

If any of those cars came in here and said...camaros are garbage...how "educated" would that be? How logical is that to say? F-bodies are just for guys who cant afford a corvette?

Stupid comments are pretty easy to spot because they are opinions arent based on fact and dont even make sense.

Walking around thinkin your gods gift to automobilia because you have a 13 sec CAPABLE car (even though you havent run it personally to see what YOU run) is stupid and ignorant considering the other cars which trounce the F-body

Steve Y

10-21-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
We have gone over this Civics pull more weight for the size of their motor...end of story....dont believe me 3400/350 = 9.7 lbs per cube 2450/110 = 22 lbs per cube

Where is the weight advantage?

True. That means less low end torque/weight ratio and less low rpm fun.

1989.........B16 CRX = 14.9-15.2

Motor swapped car. Too bad they didn't offer that from the factory.

What did third gen camaro's run in 1989?

Low to mid 14s for the fastest stock ones!

Here I am using Honda's.....why...cause I know if I start using Supra's, RX7's, Skylines everyone gets all pissy, complains about price and availability blah blah blah even those these sub 3.0L cars are capable of VERY impressive power figures no one really likes to admit it here

You are using Hondas because you love them. I don't mind admitting the impressive power figures of these cars. Most people just can't afford them.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-21-2003, 02:53 PM

Steve a B16 CRX was STOCK in 1989....just because the cars were never avaible in the US the rest of the world was able to buy them....they exist....and they are quick considering how slow cars were in the 80's

Hell a 91 RX7 goes for 3-4 grand and is a couple of mods away from low 13's out of a 1.3L motor an 80's era chassis no less

They are affordable in non popular chassis gens most people just dont realize what they are capable of.....used Supra's used to go for low 20's with some even going as low as 18,000 before the Slow and Delirious came out...

Whats funny is most of the F-body owners that talk the most **** about other cars....dont even race...have no motorsport experiece and have relatively little motorsports knowledge....its pretty disgusting to read someone who has no clue talk about drifting like its an accident....or that X car is garbage when they have never driven one, raced against one or even been on a roadcourse ....Monday morning commentators at their best....dont know what the hell they are talking about but they could do better.....

Steve Y

10-21-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
Steve a B16 CRX was STOCK in 1989....just because the cars were never avaible in the US the rest of the world was able to buy them....they exist....and they are quick considering how slow cars were in the 80's

Who cares? The car was not available in the U.S. We are talking about cars that people in this country can get.

Hell a 91 RX7 goes for 3-4 grand and is a couple of mods away from low 13's out of a 1.3L motor an 80's era chassis no less

www.car-stats.com lists that car at 14.9 stock. What couple of mods to get low 13s from that car?

They are affordable in non popular chassis gens most people just dont realize what they are capable of.....used Supra's used to go for low 20's with some even going as low as 18,000 before the Slow and Delirious came out...

Brand new LS1s were in the low 20s before they discontinued them.

LT1PWNZU

10-21-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by SergioEK9B18C5turbo
We have gone over this Civics pull more weight for the size of their motor...end of story....dont believe me 3400/350 = 9.7 lbs per cube 2450/110 = 22 lbs per cube

Where is the weight advantage?

1989.........B16 CRX = 14.9-15.2

What did third gen camaro's run in 1989?

1996 Integra type R 14.6-15.2
2000 Integra type R 14.5-14.9 modded with I/H/E 13.70's

Now comparing an FF 1.8L to a FR 5.7L is silly because of sheer engine displacement and drivetrain....for a direct comparison

Here I am using Honda's.....why...cause I know if I start using Supra's, RX7's, Skylines everyone gets all pissy, complains about price and availability blah blah blah even those these sub 3.0L cars are capable of VERY impressive power figures no one really likes to admit it here

Every car has a weakness at our price level...some we choose to live with and others we mod to get rid of them......so now Hondas are garbage huh? LOL see how ridiculous the comments get....you contradict known facts of realibilty, build quality etc..to try to make the car looks bad....amazing

Hondas are not super fast out of the box.....but comapre them to other NA FF 4 bangers and try to tell me they are not the quickest, best handling and best looking cars in that market....then research mod potential and tell me the civic isnt capable of running anthing it wants to without a motor swap even....compare them to J bodies, neons, mitsu mirage, nissan sentra etc...find something faster NA 4 banger FF....try to

GT cars are a whole other breed...I can recognize that....but people in this forum dont like being comapred with other GT class cars because all the other GT cars cost too much.....A stock NSX these days runs high 12's with an NA 3.2L 6 cyl, a BPU Supra, RX7, Skyline...all 12 second contenders with minimal mods...and thats the low rent *** crap.....we havent begun to factor Z06's, TT Porches, Enzo ferraris, etc...

If any of those cars came in here and said...camaros are garbage...how "educated" would that be? How logical is that to say? F-bodies are just for guys who cant afford a corvette?

Stupid comments are pretty easy to spot because they are opinions arent based on fact and dont even make sense.

Walking around thinkin your gods gift to automobilia because you have a 13 sec CAPABLE car (even though you havent run it personally to see what YOU run) is stupid and ignorant considering the other cars which trounce the F-body
I sort of agree with with u, but a 1990 CRX Si doesnt even get close to 14s or 15s lol, more like 17s and 16s on good days STOCK... all i have to say is that almost any car out there can be modded and modded to go fast.. but theres always someone faster.. *** or domestic...

not cbring

10-22-2003, 04:04 PM

Steve Y is HORRIBLE at quoting people

Steve Y

10-22-2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by not cbring
Steve Y is HORRIBLE at quoting people

What is that supposed to mean, troll boy.

not cbring

10-22-2003, 07:02 PM

Steve Y - well, multiple times in this thread and other threads, you included your new comments in the quote of the other person. why am i a troll? i've been here a year and have 25 big bad posts. i own a rwd v8 GM and i used to own a camaro (albeit a slow one). i have friends that post here.

Arctic - i LOVE the gti. it isn't great at anything, but its pretty good at everything i want out of a car. insurance is cheap, it gets decent gas mileage, it has a lot of cargo space and seats 5. quick enough to run with some 80's and early 90's pony cars in stock trim, and capable of 13's with a chip, full exhaust, and a k&n panel filter. its a decent autocrosser and most importantly, its fun to drive. i like the 20th AE's, especially the blue ones. one of my better friends bought a yellow one and i'm jealous of him:)

Bluntdogg

10-22-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by not cbring
Steve Y - well, multiple times in this thread and other threads, you included your new comments in the quote of the other person.

He's got you there Steve. :p

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-22-2003, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
Sergio, that link in your profile bothers me. You support this country, yet you own a Honda, brought to you courtesy of the same people who brought us the disaster at Pearl Harbor.

That brings the word "wrong" to a whole new meaning.

My Honda was made in Canada marketed by American workers, driven to the American dealership by american workers who employs american sales people, mechanics, attendants, accountants and parts departement.....and all your going to focus on is the fact its a Japanese based company?

Congrats on your skied world view....I guess you dont buy Sony, JVC or any other Japanese product right :rolleyes:

The war has been over for 50+years....MOVE ON...next thing you know we cant buy BMW's because they are made by Hitlers german kids :eek: And we cant buy British cars because we went to war with them in the 1800's....or better yet...none of them will buy American because we went to war with their country and their citizens cant get over us kicking their ass.....your view is one of a simple narrow mind that breeds intorlerance and promotes hate and grudges

I am a USAF member and will die for this country if need be....dont lecture me on whats "wrong".....ignorant bastards are the reason we go to war....so stop spreading ignorance, your bringing down what american stands for...FREEDOM

Steve Y

10-22-2003, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by not cbring
Steve Y - well, multiple times in this thread and other threads, you included your new comments in the quote of the other person. why am i a troll? i've been here a year and have 25 big bad posts. i own a rwd v8 GM and i used to own a camaro (albeit a slow one). i have friends that post here.

I called you troll boy to give you back a dis. Rather than just ripping me, why didn't you tell me why my quoting was bad in the first place. Why don't you tell me how to quote correctly? Start **** with people and expect **** back!

not cbring

10-22-2003, 11:05 PM

aren't 225/50/16's kinda small for a mustang?

whoa guy

10-23-2003, 12:50 AM

air force boy ehh.........yea...ur better off stickin to drivin ur Civic.

robvas

10-23-2003, 09:46 AM

This clown just PM'ed me:

a GEN1 aWD MITSUBISHI...IN TALON CLOTHING
YEAH AS A PILOT I DO LET OFFSOME STEAM..

BUT YOU GENTS ARE NARSHE

AN YOU OW ONE OF MAY fAV OLD TIMER MITSUBISHI'S.. THE EAGLE TALON..

mY pRIMARY f-BOD THE wS6, IS A WORK ENGINEERING COMPELATION.. REDUCED ROATIONAL AMS, EVRRY WHERE (EVEN CF DS)
fRICTION MANAGNMANEBT, BODYSTIFNESS,.. NOT A WHOLE LOT IN SUSPESIONAL CAHNGES.. BUT ENOGU TO KEP IT IMPRIVED IN SLALOM AND LAUNCH CHARATERISTIS

PHENOM BRAKES.. AND IN MINT CONDITION WITH 3900 MILES.. NOT A ****ING SCRATCH.
THE STAGE2 HEADS228/28 .571 AND14 lSA.. I CHINCED ON PASESETTER lt AND THE KILLER SET OF UNDRRIVEDYNO TESTED TO 20 RWHO.. IT HAS nOS ASWELL.. lsAM TORQRUEAARMS AND POLYGRPHITE BUUSHINS..

WHATER bOY HUH..

AND THE OTHERS ARE'T TOO SLOW NOT HAANDLING DEFICIENT

Oh yea you muc=st be wonderig how i trashedth Evo with what found to be quite themodded toy.. but thts all it was

done corrrectlyand using modailties frm varous physicNGLES. I WHASN'T INTHELEAST WRRIOD.. HELL 650 HP sPRA'S DON'T CARE ME ULESS THEY QWANT A TOP ENF RACE AT A 175= MY MAXX,, I CN'T DO THATWITA 200MPH asUPRA.. BUT BOY HEY DNT WANT AN OFF THE LINE RACE HELLT TAKETHEM TILL 165 ORSOO TO BE EVEN.. THTS MORE THAN A ILE IN MY CAR,, AND WITH PROPERAVODANCE TECNIQUES .. THEY'D DISAPPEARLONG BEFORE 1160,, FIRST STAND ON IT U-TURN AND A FEWLLEFT AND RIGHTS. AND THEY'L NEVERFIND M

THEWATER BOY.. I'LL TELL YOU I DON'T TYPE MCUH AT ALL

ASISTANCES AND SECRETRY TRANSPOSE MY RECORDED

THE BENIFITSOF A HIGHERRANKING JOB

THOUGH I'D TWISTYOUINANYSUBJECT EVE TENONEYOUARE A MASTER IN.. S I KNOW ENOTABOUT EVERYTHING

BUT AT LEAST YOU WERE NOT A DICK

REMEBER SONNY YOUSLEP WHELL AT NIGHT KNWING WE QAR IN THE AIR PROTETING YOUR SORRY ASSES FROM ENEMIES.. THATSPELING MEANS NOTHIGNTOO

BUT THE WAYCANYOUR eAGLE TURN EVEN CLODE TOA LOW 10..WIT ANY CONSISTANCY, OR TANY RBILD.. AFTER4-12 HARD DUMPS..

TRY CRYO FREEZING

CAPT. AL CAMO, USAF.. F22 DRIVER
THUNDER STRIKE

jthomas

10-23-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
I already served my country. 5 years in the United States Army gave me the g-d damn right to come onto this board, and call you out on what I think is right and wrong. I was and am still willing to die for my country, and for freedom.

then you should know that america stands for the right to drive whatever f'ckin car you want.

while i think sergio's view on world economics is naive, i appreciate the fact that ppl like you and he are/were members of our armed forces. without ppl like the two of you, we would have few choices in life.

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-23-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by ArcticYT95TA
Well, Sergio, let me fill you in on a couple of things. First of all, I know that your Honda wasn't made in Japan. Honda of Japan did get your money, so don't start lecturing me on American workers and what not. Secondly, I already served my country. 5 years in the United States Army gave me the g-d damn right to come onto this board, and call you out on what I think is right and wrong. I was and am still willing to die for my country, and for freedom. So the next time before you have diarrhea of your keyboard, think about what you are going to type, because you never know who you are dealing with.

BTW, you just got :Owned:

Figures youd be an Army guy....what did you score to get in a 30 :rolleyes:

Your a moron..now way around it.....You shouldnt driving a focus then...it was designed in Europe by people we went to war with in the 1700's :rolleyes: How can you call yourself american....your money is going to the enemy :rolleyes:

Thats such :bs: your a simple mined idiot that cant see past your nose.....Dont buy Japanese think of pearl harbor ....what a tool you are.....

Glad we have guys like you in the Army :rolleyes: I can just see you stationed at Yokota, Japan.....watch out guys...the enemy is spying on us...:rolleyes: Grow up and move on.....hell even the WWII vets have moved on.....

SergioEK9B18C5turbo

10-23-2003, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by robvas
This clown just PM'ed me:

a GEN1 aWD MITSUBISHI...IN TALON CLOTHING
YEAH AS A PILOT I DO LET OFFSOME STEAM..

BUT YOU GENTS ARE NARSHE

AN YOU OW ONE OF MAY fAV OLD TIMER MITSUBISHI'S.. THE EAGLE TALON..

mY pRIMARY f-BOD THE wS6, IS A WORK ENGINEERING COMPELATION.. REDUCED ROATIONAL AMS, EVRRY WHERE (EVEN CF DS)
fRICTION MANAGNMANEBT, BODYSTIFNESS,.. NOT A WHOLE LOT IN SUSPESIONAL CAHNGES.. BUT ENOGU TO KEP IT IMPRIVED IN SLALOM AND LAUNCH CHARATERISTIS

PHENOM BRAKES.. AND IN MINT CONDITION WITH 3900 MILES.. NOT A ****ING SCRATCH.
THE STAGE2 HEADS228/28 .571 AND14 lSA.. I CHINCED ON PASESETTER lt AND THE KILLER SET OF UNDRRIVEDYNO TESTED TO 20 RWHO.. IT HAS nOS ASWELL.. lsAM TORQRUEAARMS AND POLYGRPHITE BUUSHINS..

WHATER bOY HUH..

AND THE OTHERS ARE'T TOO SLOW NOT HAANDLING DEFICIENT

Oh yea you muc=st be wonderig how i trashedth Evo with what found to be quite themodded toy.. but thts all it was

done corrrectlyand using modailties frm varous physicNGLES. I WHASN'T INTHELEAST WRRIOD.. HELL 650 HP sPRA'S DON'T CARE ME ULESS THEY QWANT A TOP ENF RACE AT A 175= MY MAXX,, I CN'T DO THATWITA 200MPH asUPRA.. BUT BOY HEY DNT WANT AN OFF THE LINE RACE HELLT TAKETHEM TILL 165 ORSOO TO BE EVEN.. THTS MORE THAN A ILE IN MY CAR,, AND WITH PROPERAVODANCE TECNIQUES .. THEY'D DISAPPEARLONG BEFORE 1160,, FIRST STAND ON IT U-TURN AND A FEWLLEFT AND RIGHTS. AND THEY'L NEVERFIND M

THEWATER BOY.. I'LL TELL YOU I DON'T TYPE MCUH AT ALL

ASISTANCES AND SECRETRY TRANSPOSE MY RECORDED

THE BENIFITSOF A HIGHERRANKING JOB

THOUGH I'D TWISTYOUINANYSUBJECT EVE TENONEYOUARE A MASTER IN.. S I KNOW ENOTABOUT EVERYTHING

BUT AT LEAST YOU WERE NOT A DICK

REMEBER SONNY YOUSLEP WHELL AT NIGHT KNWING WE QAR IN THE AIR PROTETING YOUR SORRY ASSES FROM ENEMIES.. THATSPELING MEANS NOTHIGNTOO

BUT THE WAYCANYOUR eAGLE TURN EVEN CLODE TOA LOW 10..WIT ANY CONSISTANCY, OR TANY RBILD.. AFTER4-12 HARD DUMPS..

TRY CRYO FREEZING

CAPT. AL CAMO, USAF.. F22 DRIVER
THUNDER STRIKE

WHo the frock is this guy?.......I pray to god this wanst a serisous PM :rolleyes: