12's

last weekend I ran my car at Lapeer Dragway in Michigan, I had never raced at the strip before.
I had a best time of 13.447 @104, backed up by a 13.474@104 & 13.528@ 105. The car is stock other than a K&N and the free ram air mod. I would like to get it into the 12's without draining my pocketbook. Even as we speak my cousin is trying all he can do to beat me in his Mustang, because I embarassed him at the track. What are some suggestions?

What car do you have? Year? A4? M6? Bit more info, please.

2001 a4 2:73

It is pretty easy to get your car to 12's.

Here's what you need: lid, cutout/catback, higher stall and sticky tires.

Maybe not even all of them. Add some LT's and you;ll have no problem. ;)

I'm sure other guys will pitch in w/more suggestions.

TS

I want the car to look and sound stock on the street, is it still possible?

Lid, SLP Dual Dual, it will sound stock, and just might get you there

Originally posted by Teal94Z
Lid, SLP Dual Dual, it will sound stock, and just might get you there

Add a higher stall and sticky tires and it's done. Sounds and looks pretty much stock.

A lid, converter and some tires should get you into the 12's pretty easily. We have our lids on special righ now for $99. I can get you into a TCI 3000 converter and tranny cooler for $519.98. I can get those shipped to your door for $643.98. Add some tires that will hook at the track and you will see some 12's.

Brian

Thanks, how long can I expect the rear end to last? Has anyone tried the T/A rear end girdle?

Originally posted by tim vestrand
Thanks, how long can I expect the rear end to last?

3 years, 33,000 miles and 570 launches ...

Good deal, I've only got 14,000 miles on the clock! Is that a guarantee! Ha Ha

I have a girdle and drag radials with a lead foot. Rear is doing good. :D

Get those 2.73s out of that car!

Shame on GM for ever putting them there in the first place.
You need at least a 3.42 under there , but I would go ahead and drop a 3.73 in .
Do the gears and exhaust,lid and you will be there.

Get a lid and a power programmer so you can change up the shift points and firm up the shifts and you should be damn close! Iam sure the cold dry air up their will allow you to run 12's with those two mods. If that gets you within a tenth or so then get a catback and you will have your 12's!

Then get ready....you will want mid 12's then low 12's and finally 11's in a street car that is dead reliable and that is very attainable.

My buddy has a 35th A4 with 3.23's, 3200 stall, TR220 cam, mac mid lengths, borla cat back, pulley, lid, 160 thermo... He drives the car all the time no problems and has run a 12.16@110. and that was before the cam! Just waiting for the weather to cool down and Iam sure he will get his 11.xx@114.xx! You can see his car on the front page of Thunderracing's home page.

Hope that gives you some ideas on how fast these cars can be made to go!

One of THE MOST important things:
TIRES :cool:
If tires alone don't get you there, then for one more single mod, a torque converter would definitely do it (with tires, of course;)).

Mikie, I'm afraid a set of 3.73's won't do it on their own:no:. I actually had 3.73's in my car for about 2 months earlier this summer, and I went to the track and ran the EXACT same time as posted in my sig, but actually 1 mph slower, and 60' times between 2.0 - 2.1:rolleyes:. IMO, that's not much improvement, BUT, if I had have put TIRES on the car, I think I would have hit 12's almost certainly.

However, the gears were Richmond's and they whined like hell, so I got sick of the noise and decided to swap back the factory gears (since I actually do more highway driving than I thought I did?!:rolleyes: ) and I'll look at other means of putting power to the ground right now such as tires, LCA brackets, *maybe a TC*, and eventually more motor!!;)

If you go gears with the A4 then go 3.42's at the most! 3.23's with a 3200 stall will do the trick....let the stall do the work! and with 3.23's the stall will work its ass off for you and when you are on the highway the revs won't be high!

Pete,
You are right. Gears will net him about 2-3 tenths....if he can get traction. Not 12s by themselves , but with one or two more well thought out mods then all will be fine.

;)

Originally posted by V6toZ28
3 years, 33,000 miles and 570 launches ...

4 years, 25,000 miles and 500 launches. Big stall for the last 2 years.

Same boat here, I am looking for 12's also. I ran a 13.2 @ 106 when my car was bone stock. I wanted to be in the 12's so bad I called SLP the next week and order a lid, MAF, ATM, and a cat-back (loudmouth). From that I was only able to find 2 tenths -It is here that I encountered my newest enemy! TRACTION!!! My car now traps 110 mph cosistantly but more times than not I leave the line spinning. I can no longer get any better than a 2.1 60 ft. time either. I would deffinatly recommend a set of Nitto's or BFG DR's and aside from that cash in on all the "free mods" like the MAF de-screen, free ram air mod and and TB bypass, those are good for a couple extra horses.

Oh, and on the sounding stock thing, I dont think a cat back would hurt- since everyone and thier brother has that and a K&N, most people dont even consider those to be mods anymore!:)

Thanks for all the info, I will have to see how many of these things I can accomplish, With mortgages and all. As long as I can continue to SPANK my cousin's 4.6 Slowstang (Why do so many people buy these DOGS?) I will be content. Where can I find out how to do the TB bypass? Wil this affect Mileage, drivability etc?
Thanks all, TV

Originally posted by tim vestrand
As long as I can continue to SPANK my cousin's 4.6 Slowstang ... I will be content.
Don't worry, the 'Stang has a LONG way to go to beat an LS1!!;) I'm not sure what they usually run, but I know the best I've seen so far at the track is 14.1 out of a 5-speed 4.6L 'Stang:cool:. Also, a guy at work ran his '99 GT and went 14.5 @ ~95 mph:p.
Where can I find out how to do the TB bypass? Wil this affect Mileage, drivability etc?
--->Throttle Body Bypass (http://www.installuniversity.com/install_university/installu_pages/sophomore_year/tb_bypass.htm)<--- :cool:

Also, a whole bunch of other cool mods @ InstallUniversity.com (http://www.installuniversity.com/install_university/support/installu_documents.htm) :).

Originally posted by tim vestrand
Thanks for all the info, I will have to see how many of these things I can accomplish, With mortgages and all. As long as I can continue to SPANK my cousin's 4.6 Slowstang (Why do so many people buy these DOGS?)

You have nothing whatsoever to worry about unless he has plenty of mods. ;)

Why people buy them? My friend has a 00 GT Convertible and it is very nice. :cool: Wouldn't necessarily buy one (Maybe as a daily driver, though...:D), but they are nice. Especially the way they sound, even bone stock.

Originally posted by AL SS590 M6
4 years, 25,000 miles and 500 launches. Big stall for the last 2 years.

It was the last 80 launches on H/C that killed my rearend :(

Get a cutout.

02 Z28, A4, 2.73's, SLP Lid/Loudmouth and I go 13.06 @ 108 at Stanton. Are you going to M8 (http://www.migmevent.com)?

Maybe you could hook up a 100 dry shot ;) The NOS 5177 kits go dirt cheap on the board and eBay

You'll never hurt the rear end with 2.73's


Originally posted by tim vestrand
last weekend I ran my car at Lapeer Dragway in Michigan, I had never raced at the strip before.
I had a best time of 13.447 @104, backed up by a 13.474@104 & 13.528@ 105. The car is stock other than a K&N and the free ram air mod. I would like to get it into the 12's without draining my pocketbook. Even as we speak my cousin is trying all he can do to beat me in his Mustang, because I embarassed him at the track. What are some suggestions?

It's good to know about the 2:73's, I would like to keep them as i do alot of highway driving and I like the gas mileage. I probably can't make M8, but you never know.

You might want to pull your MAF screen.

Will this mess anything up? what is the benefit? How do you do it?

If you have to ask those questions then leave it alone.
Its a very minimal gain and some have experienced problems with it.
Seek other mods is my opinion.

Mike

I agree............leave the MAF screen alone. There's hardly a measureable gain IMO, and besides, incase something gets past the air filter, it's like a last line of defence;). Apparently the problem that removing the screen will create is that the air flow across the sensing wires isn't "controlled" or properly directed (please don't quote me here?!:rolleyes: ) and the MAF won't give 100% accurate readings.

There are many different mods that you can do to achieve 12's, and I don't think that any of the "free mods" are gonna do it:think:............I hate to say that, but I'm in the same boat myself, and I've accepted the fact that to go faster costs MONEY!!!!:p Get yourself some tires, and then some type of power adder, whether it be additional traction devices, a torque converter, exhaust, a cam, or even N2O:thumb:. Now that you've got a case of the "I wanna go faster:o"'s, it's time to pull out the cheque book!!!!:D :lol:

Originally posted by Capn Pete
I agree............leave the MAF screen alone. There's hardly a measureable gain IMO, and besides, incase something gets past the air filter, it's like a last line of defence;). Apparently the problem that removing the screen will create is that the air flow across the sensing wires isn't "controlled" or properly directed (please don't quote me here?!:rolleyes: ) and the MAF won't give 100% accurate readings.

Hehe... Now we just need camaro322hp in here... :D

put a nos 100 shot and it will be in the 12 s easy and inexpensive

Originally posted by V6toZ28
It was the last 80 launches on H/C that killed my rearend :(

Darn it. I'm going heads/cam this winter. Guess I should be saving for a 12 bolt and a tranny build-up:( :(