someone local h/c install

I can do this myself but it's a lot of work:mad: anyone in the area want to help me throw a cam and heads in my LT1?? I'll pay you at the same time. Right now I do not have 800.00-1000.00 to get it done so I will pay someone to help me all they have to do is help me put it back together that's it I will disassemble it since that is the easy part!!! I'll also buy the helpers choice of beverage as well and food......someone let me know before it gets cold out!! If noone can help me I will shoout it to a shop and have them sit on it for awhile

I guess noone wants to make a couple hundred dollars:rolleyes:
I'll bite the bullet and get it done by a pro since noone wants to help so when it's done who wants to get spanked first??? Anyone??

Originally posted by grygst76
I guess noone wants to make a couple hundred dollars:rolleyes:
I'll bite the bullet and get it done by a pro since noone wants to help so when it's done who wants to get spanked first??? Anyone??

I could use a could spanking, I will pull a plug wire to make it fair , sorry you might want to talk to dean and rob, everyone hates the lt1 h/c install. But them two got it down pat.:p

Originally posted by 5-liter-eater
I could use a could spanking, I will pull a plug wire to make it fair , sorry you might want to talk to dean and rob, everyone hates the lt1 h/c install. But them two got it down pat.:p
That's who is doing it and I'll gladly race ya if you pull a plug wire!!! with what is going in the car I am guesstimating 400 at the wheels and more with the 100shot of giggle juice:eek:

400 rwhp with a ***cam???:eek: :eek:

I wish you all the luck. You're gonna need it.:D :p

Originally posted by Rich97Z28
400 rwhp with a ***cam???:eek: :eek:

I wish you all the luck. You're gonna need it.:D :p

hey!! it will be possible with what is going with it!!!!! I have some other goodies that I have that will compliment the package so just for a hint ALL emissions will be going away and a few additions so 400 is almost right on give or take 1-2 horses;)

Jim and I will be looking for some work of this type in the future. He has a lift in his garage and it is pretty well equipped. Unfortunately we have a lot of projects going on right now so there is no time/room for at least the next month or so. But in the future we wouldn't mind tackling some jobs. I am extremely familiar with the LT1, hardly know anything about the LS1.

Joe

Originally posted by jgeorger
Jim and I will be looking for some work of this type in the future. He has a lift in his garage and it is pretty well equipped. Unfortunately we have a lot of projects going on right now so there is no time/room for at least the next month or so. But in the future we wouldn't mind tackling some jobs. I am extremely familiar with the LT1, hardly know anything about the LS1.

Joe

400rwhp from heads and cam is a stretch on an LT1. What cam are you running? What are the heads ported at? At some point I'll be doing heads/cam and I have a fairly big cam going in, one that won't pass emissions, well, maybe it will, but highly unlikely. And I'm expecting less than 400rwhp. Taking off the emissions won't make much of a difference if at all. It's a lofty goal, best of luck with it.
Brian

You live in Massachusetts and you are going to do away with all of your emission devices....that is some good thinking. You instantly turn it into a car you can never sell....but...it's your car. 400 with a head and cam package isn't likely going to happen. I would shoot for 350 or so...much more realistic.

I heard those head suck ;)

In all seriousness, those heads will hit some massive low end TQ, but I don't think they can possibly hit 400. I was shooting for 350 and some people said that would be a stretch........

Anywho, that muffler still FS?

You have 267 now unless you have a miracle cam and full race heads it's just not gonna happen dude so don't set yourself up for disapointment. and as far as spanking poeple i will run you with my car all i have is a lid cat back tb and nitrous.

Guys see my sig I hit 381 rw with combo in my sig. I also had my heads flowed (242 @ .500 not great - see my post today in LT1 tech for all the numbers). I think with heads as least good as mine and a big cam such as the XE 230/236 or the CC306, 400 rw could be attainable.

Did I miss which heads are going on the car?

I still have a muffler for sale if you were referring to me.
Brian

but yoru car started out at a much better number Jgoerger he has one of the lower number lt1's this not being a flame just pointing it out.

Originally posted by My84Z
but yoru car started out at a much better number Jgoerger he has one of the lower number lt1's this not being a flame just pointing it out.
Not sure what you mean by me having "one of the lower number lt1's" ???

Hes referring to the 'strength' of the motor based on dyno numbers. Hes inferring that you had a stronger starting point. Like my Z with full exhaust, CAI, underdrives made 295rwhp@5500 and 320rwt@4200 (with a miss), strong for what mods that I have (or so I have been told). Hes just saying that based on his (grygst76) mods and dyno numbers that his LT1 isn't as strong as yours or mine, assuming that you dynod strong closer to stock, as your h/c numbers are awesome.
Brian

Oh, I see. A "." between JGeorger and his would have made it clear.

My84Z - are you assuming my car started out strong or have I told you (or did you look at my website)? Sorry but I have trouble putting names to faces....

Anyway, my car mostly stock dynoed 265 rwhp/306 rwtq. This is a factory Ram-Air rated at 305 hp. At the time I had underdrive pulleys, airfoil, K+N, and full synthetics. So that was about 312 at the engine with the M6.... Just about right. These dyno numbers were attained on a different dynojet (P+J's speedshop in Buffalo, NY) than the post heads/cam numbers (which were obtained at NEDT).

Joe

Originally posted by jgeorger

Anyway, my car mostly stock dynoed 265 rwhp/306 rwtq. This is a factory Ram-Air rated at 305 hp. At the time I had underdrive pulleys, airfoil, K+N, and full synthetics. So that was about 312 at the engine with the M6.... Just about right. These dyno numbers were attained on a different dynojet (P+J's speedshop in Buffalo, NY) than the post heads/cam numbers (which were obtained at NEDT).

Joe [/B]
Seee now his car with headers full exhaust and a couple other things dyno'd what your did completelly stock. and as we all know with these lt1's and ls1's for some reason some take to mods and some well just don't.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. It seems he would have had rockers, headers, cat-back and TB bypass over me. Maf is tricky cause it can screw up your AFR - but it usually serves to lean out the stock overly-rich AFR. grygst76, how was the AFR on your runs?

I know a lot of people gained power switching from shorties to long-tubes.... Also how many miles on the engine? Is it in good condition?

Joe

yeah cause unless he has some serious engine problems when he put down those numbers you need some serious race heads and cam to pick up 133 rwhp

Originally posted by 95TA8280
I heard those head suck ;)

In all seriousness, those heads will hit some massive low end TQ, but I don't think they can possibly hit 400. I was shooting for 350 and some people said that would be a stretch........

Anywho, that muffler still FS?
still got it I'll give it to ya for 25.00 you only though;)

the car has 108,000 miles on it. the opti seized a little while after the dyno run. the a/f was 10.9-11.0 and I did not have the full CAI, my elbow was ripped and letting air in. I went and dyno'd just to see where I was at so more then likely now I am pushing around 280 since I fixed all the problems and replaced my loose as hell timing chain..I'm shocked the thing was still on it was stretched so bad. I know everyone here talks of me not being mad if I do not hit 400 but if you read more I will be doing other things to it as well the cam I'm putting in is your average off the shelf, but it's getting a facelift at my dads machine shop:bow:
the heads flow pretty good, but they are also in the shop as we speak getting another massage. I have a stock manifold that is getting port matched to the heads as well. Lot of things to be done and I can do the install myself, BUT I do not have the time it will take for one person to do it. 2 people make it faster.

Originally posted by grygst76
the car has 108,000 miles on it. the opti seized a little while after the dyno run. the a/f was 10.9-11.0 and I did not have the full CAI, my elbow was ripped and letting air in. I went and dyno'd just to see where I was at so more then likely now I am pushing around 280 since I fixed all the problems and replaced my loose as hell timing chain..I'm shocked the thing was still on it was stretched so bad. I know everyone here talks of me not being mad if I do not hit 400 but if you read more I will be doing other things to it as well the cam I'm putting in is your average off the shelf, but it's getting a facelift at my dads machine shop:bow:
the heads flow pretty good, but they are also in the shop as we speak getting another massage. I have a stock manifold that is getting port matched to the heads as well. Lot of things to be done and I can do the install myself, BUT I do not have the time it will take for one person to do it. 2 people make it faster.
and when I race people it's not stoplight racing...it's at the track you dial it in you run:death:

Originally posted by grygst76
still got it I'll give it to ya for 25.00 you only though;)

Will it weld right into an LS1 exhaust? How much of an upgrade will it be over the stock muffler? I'l going cheap.....cutout and a muffler....screw the cat back :)

Originally posted by 95TA8280
Will it weld right into an LS1 exhaust? How much of an upgrade will it be over the stock muffler? I'l going cheap.....cutout and a muffler....screw the cat back :)

you can have it welded or clamped...your choice and it's a pretty LOUD difference

But it'll fit on a stock I-Pipe on an LS1? Does it have tips, or will I use stock ones?

I should be right near 400rwhp right now (well, when it runs right). Damn thing gets a new problem everytime I drive it. I did start @ 301rwhp before the heads/cam/LT's/TB/MAF/EW.

Hey Gary, what type of muffler is it again?

It's a dynomax bullet muffler and its welded to prefit the full loudmouth system when you get rid of the resonator. If you do a search there is some people who made their own loudmouth system and it cost them around 150.00 for everything except you already would have the muffler so it might run you 100.00.

How many miles on the muffler?

less then 500

Why did you get rid of it?

Because I like SUPER loud and I do not have to go thru emissions so I never bothered to keep it. IMO it sounds awesome but I like the no muffler feel of resonator

I am in need of a cc306 or bigger, anyone have one for sale local??

be forwarned get a hydrarev kit!

After speaking with a lot of my "LT1" buddies I have come to the conclusion that my choices in cam would put me nowhere close to 400 horses!! I would need the CC306 or equivalent, the Hydrarev kit (thanks MY84Z) and a few other misc things. Now it's amtter of what LSA 112 or 114??

112 for n/a if your gonna use an juice i would go with 114.

Originally posted by My84Z
112 for n/a if your gonna use an juice i would go with 114.
True True the 112 would limit my shot to 100 unless I upped the pressure of the fuel and the 114 should give me the leeway needed for 150+ IF I'm careful. My oil pressure is real good @idle it's around 27-30 psi and cruising at 1500 it's a little above 42psi so swapping to heads and cam will not shoot my bearings to the moon as long as I rev her less then 6000 which I do anyways I mean I hardly get to 5000 ever since she has over 100k I get nervous

If i were you save up some money and take some etra time to take the engine out of the car and rebuild the whole thing there are plenty semi cheap rebuild kits for an lt1. have the block tested and cleaned up new crank new seals and a new oil pump then slap the heads and cam on it. save you alot of toruble if your engine goes and takes your heads or cam with it.

And what would a rebuild cost compared to buying the shortblock?? you can get a shortblock for around 1500.00??

Originally posted by grygst76
After speaking with a lot of my "LT1" buddies I have come to the conclusion that my choices in cam would put me nowhere close to 400 horses!! I would need the CC306 or equivalent, the Hydrarev kit (thanks MY84Z) and a few other misc things. Now it's amtter of what LSA 112 or 114??

Gary, my cam and well ported heads will get you close to 400rwhp.

there are so many kits and it would depend on what you replace. you could have the block machined and the crank oil pump for maybe 500 or less. while using your pistons. or you can just do it all. there are plenty lt1 kits start searching and take time till u find what fits you best.

the rebuild will be soon enough but for now I can only afford the install of the heads/cam..I'm the kind of person who thinks if your driving a car that looks fast it better be fast and 500-800 is all I can spend and just a rebuild kit alone for the LT1 is close to 400.00 then you need to include the block work, bearing installs, magnafluxing, e.t.c you start looking at more then the purchase of a complete shortblock or around the same. I have plans for a complete new motor next year which will be an LS6 so for now I will melt the one I have.

well i have seen a few people are close to my location, the nearest being clinton and uxbridge. why dont we plan a get together and watch a football game and do a little drag racing in between the half and the quarters. im sure some one lives in a secluded area where there is a strait a way we can play at....the catch is you race what ya bring so dont bring your grandmothers lark or your scotters. get it settled like real men bring your rides and we will see who is the last z standing......then you can have all the bragging rights in the new england f body club........anyone for a football game......or if you wish we can sit around the camp fire and cook marshmellows all during the game..lol lol

and gee maybe grygst can bring his car and we all can play with him on the install.......camaros stick together need help with the install grygst send me a email

this thread was all in good humor by no means am i impling that my z is the fastest in new england. but im up for a good football game,,,some lt1 hands on workshop and smellin some burnin rubber oh cant forget the marshmellows to,,,,you guys have a great day:p

Here are the flow numbers of the heads I got from 95TA8280;

.1 66/56
.2 132/106
.3 186/143
.4 235/171
.5 261/184
.6 271.9/192.9
2.00 1.55 ferrea swirl polished valves

Combined with the 306 on a 112 I should and would see a pub hair 400, especially since the cats will be nonexistant. My retard of a father is putting a little more flow in the heads but it will prove tough since the intake ports are massaged pretty deep but we are looking to add about 8cc's to the flow for a max of 200. Combined with the hopefully finished in time stock manifold port I do not see a problem with 400.

Originally posted by grygst76
Here are the flow numbers of the heads I got from 95TA8280;

.1 66/56
.2 132/106
.3 186/143
.4 235/171
.5 261/184
.6 271.9/192.9
2.00 1.55 ferrea swirl polished valves

Combined with the 306 on a 112 I should and would see a pub hair 400, especially since the cats will be nonexistant. My retard of a father is putting a little more flow in the heads but it will prove tough since the intake ports are massaged pretty deep but we are looking to add about 8cc's to the flow for a max of 200. Combined with the hopefully finished in time stock manifold port I do not see a problem with 400.

Gary, those numbers look like Lloyd Elliott numbers! They look like mine. With LT's and a 306 cam I think you should hit 400rwhp, but I think the Mac's maybe hold you back a little with the 1 5/8" primaries. You'll probably see 385-390rwhp cuz of those headers. We'll see.

here's two example so i will give you high 370's at most but most likely with those headers 360ish http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175248&highlight=cc306+dyno
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153726&highlight=cc306+dyno

Originally posted by RealQuick
Gary, those numbers look like Lloyd Elliott numbers! They look like mine. With LT's and a 306 cam I think you should hit 400rwhp, but I think the Mac's maybe hold you back a little with the 1 5/8" primaries. You'll probably see 385-390rwhp cuz of those headers. We'll see.
Those are lloyd heads!! The only thing I noticed was he dug pretty deep near the valve guide, was yours like that? I know the macs might hold it back and that's why I put the ORP's on to help a little but I want to go with LT's but as everyone knows my cash situation is pretty freakin low and the G/F is getting p'eed off at the money I spend already!!

Originally posted by My84Z
here's two example so i will give you high 370's at most but most likely with those headers 360ish http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175248&highlight=cc306+dyno
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153726&highlight=cc306+dyno
good examples but neither one had a tune, and the vette was hindered by a dual plane intake, if he goes single w/the team g he will get it back and do 400. I am going with a tune as well no doubt. Will I pick up 100 horses? I do not see why not considering other projects I've done and surpassed power marks even under manufacturers claims. The bottleneck of all early 350's were heads, intake, cam, and headers, exhaust lift is always high on the list, if you can push it in you have to be able to push it out. My own guesstimate will be 392-96 give or take.

Originally posted by grygst76
Those are lloyd heads!! The only thing I noticed was he dug pretty deep near the valve guide, was yours like that? I know the macs might hold it back and that's why I put the ORP's on to help a little but I want to go with LT's but as everyone knows my cash situation is pretty freakin low and the G/F is getting p'eed off at the money I spend already!!

Yeah, my guide area was cut down too, but good ported heads are as far as what I have seen.

Originally posted by grygst76
good examples but neither one had a tune, and the vette was hindered by a dual plane intake, if he goes single w/the team g he will get it back and do 400. I am going with a tune as well no doubt. Will I pick up 100 horses? I do not see why not considering other projects I've done and surpassed power marks even under manufacturers claims. The bottleneck of all early 350's were heads, intake, cam, and headers, exhaust lift is always high on the list, if you can push it in you have to be able to push it out. My own guesstimate will be 392-96 give or take.

Where you gonna get a tune? NEDT?

Originally posted by 95TA8280
Where you gonna get a tune? NEDT?
Dean said he was going to try and tune it to get the best from it, My job contract is up next week so I have pleanty of time to hang around at his shop and help/watch. He said he will carry it as far as he can and after that we aill go with a mail order.