which muffler???

Hey everyone. I have a stock 95 camaro 3.4 A4 and I want to put a muffler on, but there are just too many to choose from. What I want is LOUD all the time or most of the time without any ricey sound. I've heard flowmaster is good at idle and low rpm's, but when you really get on it, it sounds ricey. Please help!

I have a dynomax, but the flows sound better on the 3.4s than the 3.8s.

------------------
2K BLACK FIREBIRD 3.8 A4 (http://www.thenebula.com/carpics/pics/FBird.jpg) (Stock 3.42 Gears & LSD)
With Intake, Exhaust And Suspension Modifications..

MOFBA (http://www.mofba.net/forums/)/FAStLouis (http://www.fastlouis.com) Member... 1/4 ET: (http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/timeslips/darrian_hickman.jpg) 14.98 @ 89.66 Mph

I put a dynomax on the V6 Camaro I like the throaty sound it has compared to flows and dynomax has better hp gains.

------------------
99 Black SS A4 t-tops a ton of factory options plus white face gauges which have a disputable hp gain. (formerly V6white98, changed cars)

man back in the day i used to be the only one on this board with a dynomax muffer. i guess people started coming to their senses. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

------------------
chris - got to keep the maro!
-94 3.4L A4 camaro, 15.84 @ 87,
-other car- 1973 plymouth satellite,built 360.
-brand new old car- 1978 L82 corvette, slightly modded ;)
-Plymouth site (http://www.geocities.com/videoracer7/newpage.html)
-general pics of my life (http://photos.yahoo.com/moparsatellite73)
-camaro site (http://www.geocities.com/chriscamaro/chriscamaro-94.html)

FLOWMASTER all the way, heard other brands like flowmaster!, after I installed mine and turned it over the engine roared and you heard it, I can drowned out stock mustang gt's with out even trying!

Get the flowmaster 80 series, I don't think it sounds ricey at all! Ricey is the 3000GT that drives around here with two fart bomb hanging out it ars, and I drowned him out too,

bought it from a user on here for $60 and it came with the rear section with tips check this out.

http://members.glis.net/zomie/newpic.jpg

Any questions email me!

------------------
95 Camaro 3.4L M5,
-Flowmaster muffler 80 series with quad tips,
-White Racing Stripes
-LeBra front end cover,
-Interior purple neons
-2000 Trans Am rims
-Car audio
180 Watt Kenwood head unit
jbl's all around
3 10" Jensen 375 watt subs with a 250 watt amp and a 500 watt amp(I know its cheap but I really don't want to kill any little old ladies)
http://members.glis.net/zomie

[This message has been edited by Zomie (edited August 28, 2002).]

you're ***ing stupid zomie

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by camaroKID:
man back in the day i used to be the only one on this board with a dynomax muffer. i guess people started coming to their senses. http://web.camaross.com/bb/biggrin.gif

</font>There are still a lot of people who want those cool flows (they are trendy) and so is the mustang and they both $uck.

------------------
99 Black SS A4 t-tops a ton of factory options plus white face gauges which have a disputable hp gain. (formerly V6white98, changed cars)

I suggest Ravin! Get the z-55 or z-33 for even deeper sound. I've never heard a Ravin customer that didnt' love their muffler.



------------------
1997 silver Camaro RS
SLP CAI, 2 1/2" dual Ravin! exhaust, b&m shift improver, SLP air temp mod, 180 thermo.

http://members.rogers.com/ravenp

I heard the stock mufflers off of WS6s and SSs sound good on the V6s.

------------------
2K BIRD 3.8 A4 (http://www.thenebula.com/carpics/pics/FBird.jpg) (Stock 3.42 Gears & LSD)
With Intake, Exhaust & Suspension Mods.

MOFBA (http://www.mofba.net/forums/) & FAStLouis (http://www.fastlouis.com) Member
1/4 Time: (http://timeslips.firebirdv6.com/timeslips/darrian_hickman.jpg) 14.98 @ 89.66 Mph

ok, what our problem here is is that our cars sound like ****. Why? cause we have v6s not v8s. If you REALLY REALLY wanna sound more like a v8 you can first start off with boreing your 3.4/3.8 to 30 over. That will start to give it a deeper sound. Then after that get good induction and a decent exhaust setup with headers and cat.

please post comments! http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jonathan_abilene:
ok, what our problem here is is that our cars sound like ****. Why? cause we have v6s not v8s. If you REALLY REALLY wanna sound more like a v8 you can first start off with boreing your 3.4/3.8 to 30 over. That will start to give it a deeper sound. Then after that get good induction and a decent exhaust setup with headers and cat.

please post comments! http://web.camaross.com/bb/wink.gif</font>If you want just noise out of your V6 get those trendy flows

If you want a throaty sound get a dynomax, plus more hp gains then flows.

If you want a really good exhaust system and have the money get a cat back setup from a V8 f-body you can usually find used ones for about the same price as a dynomax or flowmaster.

------------------
99 Black SS A4 t-tops a ton of factory options plus white face gauges which have a disputable hp gain. (formerly V6white98, changed cars)

For better sound you should get a complete cat-back and not just a muffler.A muffler will help with the sound but for a few $$ more you can get some nice performance gains also.Good luck.
Kevin

------------------
1998 Black Z28 A4
-------1/8-------
8.548 @ 83.64 MPH
Pics (http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/nikkev1/lst?.dir=/New+Camaro&.view=t)
Camaro/Firebird Birthday Bash (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/registration/f-body/agenda.shtml)

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by jonathan_abilene:
you're ***ing stupid zomie</font>

F*CK YOU - I have a Flowmaster 80 series on my 98 3.8 and I think it sounds great. Who are you to respond with a comment like that to a member of this board when he was stating his opinion. Kiss MY ass dude....

------------------
"Because who really wants to be normal anyway."
1998 Camaro 3.8 V6
Sebring Silver
Whisper lid
Flowmaster dual exhaust
Chrome tips
-check link for pics-
http://community.webshots.com/album/42820231QFLrNI

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by casper 420:
F*CK YOU - I have a Flowmaster 80 series on my 98 3.8 and I think it sounds great. Who are you to respond with a comment like that to a member of this board when he was stating his opinion. Kiss MY ass dude....

</font>

thanks for the backup,

next time why don't you spend a little more time on the board before you start making comments about more experanced members, I just want to say my opinion, btw I got two emails asking about my exhaust system after I posted that so whos the stupid one the person making dumb comments or the one with the actual experance that has something of relavence to say. I just wanted to have him take anouther look at flowmaster.

I have the 80 series flowmasters and really sounds great on my 3.4L. A good friend of my has a 3.4L with dynomax on it and to me it kind of sounds ***** like. Mine is not ricy at all. it has a nice rumble all the time rather than the dynomax. To me and mabe only me the dynomax sound KIND OF like a honda but not. I think flowmaster is the way to go. People say flow are raspy at high rpms but mine is not any ways you dont floor it all the time mostly city drivin. Flowmaster was the way to go for me.

hehe
A) I have been on this board since it nearly first started...i lost(auto-deleted) my first account after I went on a vacation and did'nt post for awhile.
(I do have experience)

B) I have had flows (80 series) on my 2002 3.8 for over 10 months now. I say having flows on a regular setup is just alright.
JUST alright sucks if you have a v6.
I want better quality exhaust setups because I am constantly around faster, better cars(v8). If you can listen and hear a ****ing LT1 engine coming down the street you know your ****. Expecially if you can immediately hear whether that LT1 is in a camaro or a firebird,etc. Can you all tell the difference between a trucks exhaust and an LT4? I grew up with this stuff...
I'm just saying theres a HUGE exhaust difference in my 3.8L flows (80) and any v8 engine (say an LS1). That difference makes me say regular flows on a v6 suck... We need to push to make our exhausts sound better on v6s.

And yes, it gets very raspy in neutral and chainsawy when floored in drive. (I'm sorry you all can't hear the difference - listen to some v8s sometime then listen to yours)

I want to hear comments!
P.S. I'd put money on my car racing you(zomie, and casper)...but that does'nt matter, its not even the issue.

[This message has been edited by jonathan_abilene (edited August 31, 2002).]

jonathan_abilene,

It's already been said many times on this board that a V-6 cannot sound like a V-8. That's not our goal. If you really want that then logic would state to go buy a V-8. And I've been around LT-1's and big truck V-8's all my life too (hell,I live in Texas) and any car lover can hear the differences. What the posters and lurkers of the board are all looking for is just a better sounding V-6 without "breaking the bank". And again, I will say that with the better breathing intake and the flowmaster with tips (check the sig), the 3.8 puts out a nice deep rumble and is not too raspy or chainsawy in the high end RPMS that you think your in a "rice ride". If yours sounded that way I would get that fixed. So that banter that you went on was pointless. We're not talking about LT-1's and trucks, etc. We all know what we have.
And as for that last comment - I don't know what you drive, but I advise you stay in Abilene with the small timers unless you have a Supercharger/Turbo or a V-8. Because I know what my 3.8 can do, and I have non of those high-end mods.


------------------
"Because who really wants to be normal anyway."
1998 Camaro 3.8 V6
Sebring Silver
Whisper lid
Flowmaster dual exhaust
Chrome tips
-check link for pics-
http://community.webshots.com/user/ccasper420

Has anyone heard anything good about magnaflow or is that just out of the question? And what dynomax exhaust should i look into(part #?) thanx again!

sounds like we got a race!
hopefully you can hang

I would recommend a Flowmaster 80 Series. My friend is very happy with this muffler on a 2002 3.8L. He later installed a 2.5" cut-out and claims it is as loud as my 97 Z28 with a cut-out and flowmaster AT but he is full of sh*t. Still, the cut-out is good for loudness and horsepower gain.

A cutout on a v6 will be louder then any stock exhausted v8.

Why are you guys arguing about all which mufflers? and you are coparing to differnet motors.

THe 3.4L our any 60*v6 sounds COMPLETELY different then the 3.8L. As for my 3.4L, I think it sounds realy mean with no exhaust, it gets ricer above 3500 rpms. I had a have a flowmaster 80s series, sounded a bit ricey, then I got a resonator, sounded alot better.

Boy I dont even feel like gettin into this SERPENTbmf,a little maturity gents.But you did ask about Magnaflow,I have this system on my 3.8.Very rumbley at idle/start-up,pretty mouthy at higher RPMs,all polished nice looking. I decided on this one for performance,straight through design(same with DynoMax).If you ever seen a cross section view of a Flow,they have baffles(that make sound)but slow flow.Dead end areas in the muffler where exhaust is trapped(back pressure heat)not straight through.
But if you decide you like the sound of the flows(I dont) a cut out w/it would give you the straight through performance the muffler lacks.
I'm more concerned w/ performance,not looking for a poser v8 sound.Its not,and if these 6s need anything its performance over sound. http://web.camaross.com/bb/smile.gif


------------------
_ __________________ _
Hella Clean Dark Green Metallic 98 3.8 L60E Coupe:Fast toys Ram Air,Holly filter,Whisper lid,160 Thermo,Man.fan switch,Purple ice wetter,Eibach Pros,Koni adjustables,BMR sways,Prothane bushins,Transgo kit,Magnaflow cat-back.National Auto Sport Ass. member/student.

johnathan_abilene,

I'd like to see you bore your motor .030 over. Then you would have major motor issues. The 3.4s are bored/stroked versions of the 2.8 motor, therefore they can't be bored/stroked any more.
3.8s can only be bored SAFELY .020 over.
It's not that hard to tell the difference between LT1's and trucks and LT4's. And wtf are you talking about, LT1's don't sound different in a camaro versus firebird, unless the cars are modified differently. That's the funniest thing i've heard all week.

I'd like to see you hang with my car also. Bring your **** down to college station and we'll see who pays up.

And PLEASE stop calling them "flows", there is ONE muffler, not two. You sound like such ricers when you say "flows".
Just like NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWZ!!!
FlOwZ OwNz JoO!!!

As for the original post, i've had them all on mine, and the only ones i liked were the Spintech muffler, the B&B triflow catback, and the GMMG catback. Right now i'm doing an H pipe through my GMMG catback, we'll see how that turns out.
I've had Blowmaster, Dynocrap, godawful Loudmouth, Triflow, Spintech, stock LS1, and GMMG. GMMG is by far the best, but also the most expensive at $700 shipped.

Scott


------------------
2000 Silver stalled A4 Bird
soon to be slammed and cammed

Ok, Ok, Ok!!! Lets calm the F$$K down. were talking about mufflers here people!!! One, there is a difference between the sound from a V6 and the sound from a V8 and your mods and what you've done it the motor make a hell of a difference. Second, I think that what we all want is a deep (as deep as a six can get) hollow, flowmaster type sound. But lets not push it, a six will only sound but so good. I have a "straight pipe" exhaust on my Iroc, 305 4barrel ( no muffler, gutted cat) and it sounds like a regular Z-28 w/ a muffler only louder. Now for my 2000 V6 I want it to sound nice, not ricey, so I'm picking through all of your suggestions to see what wil sound best (I'm thinkin stock SS muffler) but if it's not what I want I wont be mad for two reasons. It's a six-cyl. and if you want your car to sound like a hot-rod then put a hotrod motor in it (LS1,LT1,Vortek,383,ZZ4 etc...). Lets stop bitchin bout petty **** and help each other out, DAMN!!!!!!As far as the racing, CamaroZ28.com needs to have a car show or sumthin so we can see who runnin and who aint!!!

Two Thumbs up to stangkilla

------------------
--------
~Josh~
--------
99 Black 3800 II
KN Filter
SLP Ram Air Induction
Flowmaster 80 Series
3 1/2" Chrome Tips
Home-made Whipser Lid
Replace Cat w/ X-pipe
AC Delco Platinum Plugs
AOL IM: PlatinumSmoke00

thankz BB99, I deal with drama on a every day basis. And dont want to deal with it on the net (CamaroZ-28.com is my downtime)

I have been watching this for the past couple of days.....it over with....!

Aruging among ourselves over a muffler is like arguing over spilled milk.

State your piece.....listen....respond. The foul lanugage has NO place here.

Out comes the muffler welder....

------------------
Max
'95 Camaro V6..BB Triflo quad-tip catback, 180 degree Themostat, WaterWetter, K&N Air Filter, AC Delco Rapidfire Spark plugs, TB-Bypass, BMR Chrome-Moly STB, Front & Rear 1LE Sway Bars, 255/50/16 Eagle GS-C & F1 Steel, Dark Tinted Windows. Fog-lights on when Hi-Beam On Mod done tooooo.
www.home.earthlink.net/~airspeedy2

'99.5 F-250 SuperDuty CrewCab,PowerStroke Diesel, 2wd, Torreador Red, TS Extreme Chip & LPG, BTS Tranny & Converter, Maddog Stage 2 Injectors, Stock Turbo w/aftermarket comp. wheel (35psi boost), Detroit Locker ......14.2@99mph. 436rwhp/869ft.lbs.
...lets just say its not stock.....well DUH! :)