Yet another stupid, new law for Texas

Searched back and didn't find this on the other law post..

If you have a frame around your license plate, you are liable for a $200 fine.

Have a nice day!! ;)

New frame law (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/90903_local_plates.html)

Yea.... I heard that a chick got pulled over the other day for flicking a nose booger out the window. The cop said she was littering, but let her get away w/ a verbal warning.

IMO, It's pretty damn easy to tell the difference between what is a Texas LP and what isn't. LP frames don't cover "that" much of the "Texas" symbol up top.

I wonder what's going to happen to the cars that have the temporary paper plates. Are they going to get pulled over too? You don't always know what state they're from.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: @ this stupid law!

as long as it doesn't go past the letters of "texas" you should be fine

Kind of sounds to me like they're just trying to come up with something to make more money. They say it's easier to find potential suspects, but I think it's something to help them make their claimed "non-existent" quota. If they really want to make money, they should just sit out next to high schools pulling over all the little ricer freaks that speed like crazy trying to prove their car is fast. That's easy money right there, taken from the ones that deserve it, not the soccer moms and other people that bought it from the dealer like that.

I'll have to agree with Shawn 97 Z28 M6. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And thanks texlurch, you have a nice day too.:) :D

That has got to be the most ridiculous law yet!!

I really need to find an out of state relative and establish residency there. So many things would be easier with New Mexico or Oklahoma tags. (stupid laws like this, inspection, registration, !front tag)

http://www.dumblaws.com/

DAMN!!!! :mad: :alert:

The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home.

Those bastards!!!! :mad:



;)

I bet its just another reason they have on their plate now to pull someone over....

Just like front license plate.. the GS has never had one.. but they still would like to use it for a reason when they need it.. (so far,, not for me..)

Texas plates have a little state symbol in the middle.. not like they need to see the top to know what state it represents.

i agree with the law. i've stopped a lot of cars where i couldn't tell what state the plate was from because of the obscurity. texas has several different license plates, not just one for all vehicles.

and honestly, how hard is it to remove two screws, take the bracket off, then put them back on? i took mine off when i bought the car 3 years ago. i think it looks like azz with a big, cheap, plastic bracket around it.

i haven't written tickets for that yet, but if i see one and i have you stopped already, i'll tell you to remove it.

If you're a cop, is that the best you could do for an id name?? It would seem poor judgement is not just reserved for your position on this particular law.
This law represents yet another revenue stream for local communities and another reason for "law enforcement" to stop someone in hopes of making a bigger "kill". Where in the h*ll did "Protect and Serve" go?

this is kind of off the main subject but did the law against talking on your cellphone while driving pass?

From what I heard, No! Let's leave the idiots talking on the phone, not looking where they are driving (including the cops), but bust the people that try and make their cars look a little better. :confused:
Is there a way of reporting cops for illegal and reckless driving? Maybe I should start doing that! There are so many round here in SA that drive worse then normal people. Then pull someone over for doing exactly what they just did a few minutes prior.:rolleyes: :bs:

Guess we won't be seeing those stupid car dealership tag covers anymore, huh? NOT! Why don't all the pigs raid car dealership lots and write a whole crap load of tickets for ever car on the lot????

Law is dumb. If you can't tell the plate is from TX within the confines of the frame, then REDESIGN THE FRIGGIN' PLATE!!!

Of course, it's easier to just bust on the little guy to make it PROFITABLE

Plates look stupid without a frame...period.

It's not about profit... It's the easiest way for the cops to get the freshest donuts.

After all, it's not like there are murderers, rapists and other general wrong doers walking the streets. Having an obscured plate is a huge Huge HUGE problem. Drive around... Take a look at how many people have license plate frames on their cars. Odd's are, you'll have a hard time finding one that doesn't.

Oh wait... you said profit? And LP frames are now illegal... And a majority of cars have them. Wow... Can't raise the taxes so now there's another way to make money huh?

/dripping with sarcasm

Originally posted by Shawn 97 Z28 M6
It's not about profit... It's the easiest way for the cops to get the freshest donuts.

After all, it's not like there are murderers, rapists and other general wrong doers walking the streets. Having an obscured plate is a huge Huge HUGE problem. Drive around... Take a look at how many people have license plate frames on their cars. Odd's are, you'll have a hard time finding one that doesn't.

Oh wait... you said profit? And LP frames are now illegal... And a majority of cars have them. Wow... Can't raise the taxes so now there's another way to make money huh?

/dripping with sarcasm

Survey says.. "We have a winner"!! :bow: :D

I have to get a permit to piss in my own bathroom now.




DV, does the law still apply even if the is no blockage of the plate? and it's clear............ most of the time.

Originally posted by fastcamz28
If you're a cop, is that the best you could do for an id name?? It would seem poor judgement is not just reserved for your position on this particular law.
This law represents yet another revenue stream for local communities and another reason for "law enforcement" to stop someone in hopes of making a bigger "kill". Where in the h*ll did "Protect and Serve" go?

Amen.

Originally posted by DomesticViolence
i agree with the law. i've stopped a lot of cars where i couldn't tell what state the plate was from because of the obscurity. texas has several different license plates, not just one for all vehicles.


I can spot an out of state plate on a motor vehicle at a glance, no police training required. :rolleyes: And if they are from out of state then they don't know about the law anyway.

If you're a cop, is that the best you could do for an id name?? It would seem poor judgement is not just reserved for your position on this particular law

Honestly DM, whats with your id name? It offensive. You might as well call yourself "wife beater" or "sexual assult" or "child molester". :no: Sorry, but it's just not cool like you probably think it is. You need to change it.

Whoa... Looks to me like this guy has a LP frame on the back of his Vette. And then look what happens!

http://www.ops-se.com/Videos/Negligence.mpg

Why not spend more time pulling over people for EXPIRED registration, NO wait you can't see that can you? What a joke the the state is. I have never seen so many expired tags. Hell, just go to the DFW parking garages and look at the windshields where the STUPID sticker is. Should be on the plates. And don't give me crap about stealing stickers either, I don't buy it.

Originally posted by DomesticViolence
i agree with the law. i've stopped a lot of cars where i couldn't tell what state the plate was from because of the obscurity. texas has several different license plates, not just one for all vehicles.

and honestly, how hard is it to remove two screws, take the bracket off, then put them back on? i took mine off when i bought the car 3 years ago. i think it looks like azz with a big, cheap, plastic bracket around it.

i haven't written tickets for that yet, but if i see one and i have you stopped already, i'll tell you to remove it.

Originally posted by Shawn 97 Z28 M6
Whoa... Looks to me like this guy has a LP frame on the back of his Vette. And then look what happens!

http://www.ops-se.com/Videos/Negligence.mpg
:eek: :eek: :eek:

i'm sorry, i thought i was discussing something with people who had a slight inkling of intellect. i guess i wandered off onto the playground.

and i'm sorry you poor children find my ID offensive. i guess i'll just have to lose all of 5 seconds of sleep over that one.

There are people that are discussing this with a little intellect, maybe not alot of maturity sometimes, but it's pretty annoying when you get a cop that says that it's a good idea to ticket someone for a stupid thing like a frame, when Cops in their POV's drive like idiots and illegally all the time, officers in patrol cars drive over the speed limits, while weaving in and out of traffic, talking on a cell phone, get they are supposed to uphold the law, when in actual fact, they think they are above the law. This get people a little upset.
I can relate since I got a speeding ticket here in SA. I as in the middle lane, grandpa in the middle lane in his lincoln, passing me on the right, and the officer pulled me over for speeding. It's the nature of the beast. Officers are biased. Obviously since I have a performance car, I am more of a threat. Whole knows, But what I don't understand is how could he tell which car his radar gun (that was mounted int he rear window) was tracking? He made a judgement call on personal feelings, not facts. This is what aggrovates people. Unfair treatment.
Are you going to be biased? Would you pull your fiends over and give them a ticket for this, or let them go, or your family? No you would probably let them slip, but give a ticket to some kid you feel may be a street racer?From my experience, most officers don't uphold the law anymore, they are on a power trip. You sound like you are one of those sometimes. You are very quick to say you will give tickets out.

Originally posted by DomesticViolence
i'm sorry, i thought i was discussing something with people who had a slight inkling of intellect. i guess i wandered off onto the playground.




It doesn't take any inkling of intellect to realize when a law is stupid. Just another one of the too many unnecessary laws. Just my opinion :)

Originally posted by DomesticViolence
i'm sorry, i thought i was discussing something with people who had a slight inkling of intellect. i guess i wandered off onto the playground.

and i'm sorry you poor children find my ID offensive. i guess i'll just have to lose all of 5 seconds of sleep over that one.

Funniest post I've read in here. Imagine: A cop, that actually knows what the word 'intellect' means! LOL!

I don't give a crap about your ID. It is inflammatoy just like most of your posts. I think this law is crap. I think that the front license plate law is crap. I think the justice system is broken and reform is needed - BADLY. Whatever happened to citizen's arrest? Think I can pull a cop over for speeding? No. They alwys have some B.S. excuse, "Oh, it was a silent alarm".. :rolleyes:

My 3 cents worth...

im sorry DOMESTIC..NO OFFENSE!!....but i hate COPS!! they put me 1200$$ in the whole for nothing, just cause im a teenager!!18!! and drive a nice fast car!!...but i will give you some credit that i have met some cool cops and have had a good convo with them!! but other wise...the city i live in cops harrass me all the time...they pull me over just to see if i have drugs or n e thing on me for NO REASON then try to write me up a ticket for taking off to fast or something or noise pollution cause of the exhaust i have on my car...GMMG and jethot headers....!!!!COPS SUCK MA D I C K!!!!!!!

p.s.
sorry this was a lil off topic but to bring it on topic..when i 1st heard baout this law on the news, i laughed so hard i pooped myself!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! i couldnt belive that was true....whats the next law for TX...(YOU MUST HAVE A WINDOW STICKER WITH YOUR FULL NAME ON YOUR WINDSHEILD ) or some dumb crap like that?

You got the Chronicle giving this link:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/pending/texasplate.asp


& you got Channel 2 w/ this:

http://www.click2houston.com/video/2493136/detail.html

Hmm - I'm gonna pay a $200.00 ticket 'cuz my plate has a holder that says Nathaniel's Automotive Performance ?

Sounds like caca to me - hopefully it is, too. :p


Britt

Most of you are missing the point.
to prohibit newer means for obscuring the readability of license plates, particularly schemes aimed at preventing the recording of plate numbers by cameras or other automated devices
Many Texas cities will be installing "Red Light Cameras" at intersections, and there are several materials that can block the cameras from reading your plate. That's the point of this law. Unfortunately it will be used by every "podunk" city as a revenue producer.

i'm sorry, i thought i was discussing something with people who had a slight inkling of intellect. i guess i wandered off onto the playground.

and i'm sorry you poor children find my ID offensive. i guess i'll just have to lose all of 5 seconds of sleep over that one.



DomesticViolence:

Your response suggests you were already on the playground. And you were not discussing anything; you were giving your opinion and describing the actions you take as a police officer. Just because we don't agree w/ your opinion/actions does not reflect on our intellect. Coming on this board and flaming people like that is pretty childish, so maybe you should stay on the playground.

Think about it, your comments and attitude are exactly what provoke such a strong negative view many people have about police officers. Would it not be better to be an ambassador for law enforcement, rather than an alienator?

Regarding your ID name, it is offensive, especially to the women on this board. While I don't mean to be their spokesperson (they are quite capable in that regard), one doesn't have to be a member of Mensa to understand that point. Try asking fellow boys in blue, police chiefs, or any other law enforcement officials if they would agree w/ that ID. We didn't expect you to lose any sleep. Again, we were stating our opinions, opinions that I believe would be well-supported in the court of public opinion.

Lastly, you have shown true abilty at alienating people. Good luck on trying to sell anything here, getting a tech question answered, or being taken seriously. I suspect you won't lose any sleep over these things either. It's too bad your arrogance and immaturity overshadow your common sense and good judgement. Otherwise, I'm sure you're a very nice person, and I mean that w/ sincerity. It's always better to think before you act or say anything. Isn't that the way people of intellect behave?

Originally posted by fastcamz28


Your response suggests you were already on the playground. And you were not discussing anything; you were giving your opinion and describing the actions you take as a police officer. Just because we don't agree w/ your opinion/actions does not reflect on our intellect. Coming on this board and flaming people like that is pretty childish, so maybe you should stay on the playground.


exactly. i gave my opinion of the new law. because it didn't jive with the consensus i'm wrong? don't think so. it passed so i'm in the majority. i didn't say i write tickets for it. i don't find it necessary. i do feel it as part of my job to at least warn people of the existing law so they do not get a citation for it. i don't necessarily care for the front plate law either and have yet to cite for that. i still think the LP visibility law is a good idea.

before you decide that i'm flaming people, think before you post the childish nonsense like below.

Originally posted by fastcamz28
If you're a cop, is that the best you could do for an id name?? It would seem poor judgement is not just reserved for your position on this particular law.

if your first reply to me was in the form of your second, i'd hold your opinion in a little higher regard. and is bashing my ID the absolute best you can honestly do? come on, surely you can pull out a donut joke. be original. do you really need to shift the topic to my ID because you A: don't like the new law, B: don't like cops in general, and C: i'm an easy target as not many cops would give you the time of day in a discussion if you acted like this?

and my opinion of the red light cameras is that they are completely ridiculous. i don't make it a habit of running a red light, but i dare a municipal agency to try and charge me with an offense like that.

OK... let me see if I got this right:
No on the license plate frame.
Yes sticking with the offensive handle of DV
No on the red light cams.
Yes on citing for no FLP, or was that no, as I remember from your earlier posts regarding SLP day at Ennis you were in fact going to cite those with no FLP if you caught them.

What I dont understand is how you could support something so silly as removal of license plate frames, and in the same sentance say you couldnt support red light cams that have been proven to save lives and only catch those who <actually> break the law and run a red light. I'd like to see how you could possibly defend a picture of your smiling face running a red light. Worried you'll lose your job to automation? what gives?

Sorry, but count me in with fastcam, I think your nick to be quite unprofessional. Give it some thought, and yeah, thats the best I can do.
I spose I'm with the rest of the kids on the playground, the frame law is in fact stupid. As for the "majority" voting for it, I dont think so - if the true voting majority were given the opportunity to decide, I think the outcome would be quite different. Shame on us for electing this state congress - they truely are embarrassing.

Have a nice day. <grin>

Originally posted by Desertrat
OK... let me see if I got this right:
No on the license plate frame.
Yes sticking with the offensive handle of DV
No on the red light cams.
Yes on citing for no FLP, or was that no, as I remember from your earlier posts regarding SLP day at Ennis you were in fact going to cite those with no FLP if you caught them.

i'd sure like to see a quote from me about the license plates.

Originally posted by Desertrat
What I dont understand is how you could support something so silly as removal of license plate frames, and in the same sentance say you couldnt support red light cams that have been proven to save lives and only catch those who <actually> break the law and run a red light. I'd like to see how you could possibly defend a picture of your smiling face running a red light. Worried you'll lose your job to automation? what gives?

because i've gotten out of a car and had to tell the radio operator that i could not see the license plate. they had no information on the car i was stopping other than make and color. red light cameras don't save lives. they don't even reduce intersection accidents. they INCREASE rear end collisions in the intersections equipped with them. i wouldn't lose my job over it. and i believe in defending my constitutional rights.

Originally posted by Desertrat
Sorry, but count me in with fastcam, I think your nick to be quite unprofessional. Give it some thought, and yeah, thats the best I can do.
I spose I'm with the rest of the kids on the playground, the frame law is in fact stupid. As for the "majority" voting for it, I dont think so - if the true voting majority were given the opportunity to decide, I think the outcome would be quite different. Shame on us for electing this state congress - they truely are embarrassing.

i don't really care what anyone thinks about my ID. i like it, i will continue to keep it; especially since it was on this board well before most of you.

Originally posted by Desertrat
[B] Have a nice day. <grin>

i think i'm done with this thread. the only thing this is doing is making people dumber reading it.

Originally posted by DomesticViolence
because i've gotten out of a car and had to tell the radio operator that i could not see the license plate. they had no information on the car i was stopping other than make and color. red light cameras don't save lives. they don't even reduce intersection accidents. they INCREASE rear end collisions in the intersections equipped with them. i wouldn't lose my job over it. and i believe in defending my constitutional rights.



A license plate cover that makes the plate unreadable has always been illegal. A cover that touches the top of the "Texas" is now illegal - that is the rub because about 75% of the cars on the road have such a frame - of those about 50% were put on by the car dealer putting the poor driver in a spot he/she might not even know about. Sorry, but common sense says thats stupid.
Since when do your constitutional rights cover running red lights?
Here is the data supporting Red Light cameras and the reduction of collisions. Where is the scientific data supporting they increase rear end collisions? You complain about the childishness of others, yet fail to see it in yourself.

http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/publicworks/depts/transportation/safety/performance.htm

http://www.portlandpolicebureau.com/radar.html#Anchor-Conclusions-37516

http://www.ci.fairfax.va.us/Police/PhotoRedLightEnforcement.htm#Results

http://www.oxnardpd.org/misc/redlite.htm


Damn shame the ennis thread is so old it appears to no longer be in the history or I would have provided the quote you requested.

Actually providing me an education on the mindset of some of our law enforcement. I always thought there was no such thing as ******* cops, couldnt happen, you folks are out there protecting me and mine day to day. Thankyou. Please dont ruin my vision.

of course government agencies are going to say they stop accidents; how else do they justify having them?

http://www.motorists.org/issues/enforce/georgiacenter.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/082izwax.asp
http://www.cipherwar.com/news/01/armey_redlight_cameras.htm
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20020918-9999_7m18cameras.html

so i can copy and paste too; what's the point? there are more reasons that i disagree with that law than just accidents, as did our congress. i guess you need an educated opinion over a google search though. they are for money and that's it.

so far, i think i'm the only one with a valid defense for my stance on the LP law. let me summarize this thread:

"the new law is dumb."
"i agree with the law."
"you're dumb and the new law is dumb just because."
"why?"
"you're dumb, the law is dumb, and congress is dumb."
"why?"
"your name is dumb."

i hope none of you aspire to be lawyers. i'd hate to be your client. "your honor, my client is not guilty." "why?" "because, he's just not guilty."

that's kind of counterproductive isn't it? having an opinion, but no particular reason for it? i doubt congress is going to take the "it doesn't make my car look good" defense.

i write my congressmen when i have a particular interest or disagreement with a law. i also make it a point to write to them BEFORE it gets passed. here's an ingenious idea, instead of calling me names, why don't we act like adults and take steps to change what we don't agree with? instead of sitting around all day trying to come up with witty insults againt those who don't agree with us, how about using that time to write to the people who sign those laws into the book?

and i've NEVER said i would write for a front plate ticket. if you'd like though, you can be first.

I can understand making a case for covering up the numbering on the plate, as this is important. But to give up to a $200 ticket for obscuring Texas or any logo on the plate is rediculous. This would be like givimg a $200 ticket for removing the vehicle make and model badges from a car. I couldn't tell what the car was, it didn't say. As an officer, you should be able to recognise a texas state plate by seeing part of a plate. Admittingly, you can't figure out the numbers without seeing them. But if this is for the general public to be able to tell, most of them can't tell one car from another without looking at the badges.
Hence I think this is rediculouse as it just gives officers another reason to pull someone over, not because it really is a problem that they can't tell it's a Texas plate. Obscuring the actual number is and should be a crime.

Originally posted by Dark Angel
As an officer, you should be able to recognise a texas state plate by seeing part of a plate.

as i said before, there are many states who have similar plates to ours. if i stop a car, call out the plate and the driver gets out and kills me, they're going to be looking for a car displaying those "texas" plates when in actuallity, those belonged to a different state. i've called out a lot of plates then had to go back and tell the radio operator that it was a different state because i couldn't readily tell where it was from. i don't know every plate issued by every state.

And if that person does get out and kill you, then I guess theres still a problem. Your dead and he got away, cause this is a Texas state law and other states (Until, or if they enact this law) aren't going to know about it or abid by it. Most Texans didn't know about after it was passed as a law.
If someone is intent on killing you, they aren't going to care about a law like that anyway. They are the type of people who, if they could, would cover most of the plate up.
Joe Blow down the road who has the dealer frame or aftermarket fram isn't thinking about killing anyone. He just can't be bothered to remove the frame or wants to dress his car up.
Hence this law isn't going to help you from getting killed then before this law since:-
1) out of staters arn't going to know about it till you pull them over.
2) the people likely to kill you aren't going to care anyway.
3) the people that will get tickets are people who's intent isn't hurting anyone, just vanity or lazyness or have a sports car that the officer wants a reason to pull over.