RS Designation

A lot of people seem to suggest the use of the "RS" Designation as a mid-model or a base V8 model.

I don't really care for this idea, since "RS" has always been an appearance package, and not really had anything to do with power upgrades.

What I'd like to see for an RS in a 5th Gen is an optional appearance package that can be added to the base car, the Z28 or the SS (or whatever models we end up with) much like it was back in the day.

You could then end up with RS/SS's and RS/Z28's and such...

Just my .02 on the subject anyway...

Thoughts?

Works for me, as long as they don't make it a clunky looking ground effects package.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
A lot of people seem to suggest the use of the "RS" Designation as a mid-model or a base V8 model.

I don't really care for this idea, since "RS" has always been an appearance package, and not really had anything to do with power upgrades.

What I'd like to see for an RS in a 5th Gen is an optional appearance package that can be added to the base car, the Z28 or the SS (or whatever models we end up with) much like it was back in the day.

You could then end up with RS/SS's and RS/Z28's and such...

Just my .02 on the subject anyway...

Thoughts? Ditto! :cool:

I don't like the idea of an RS as just an appearence option. I think it sould be it's own model, more like the third gen deal. It could have a lower V8 and some cosmetic stuff too. I definatly do not want the base to be called RS!

Also, I never liked the way the 1st and 2nd gen had the whole RS/SS thing. I'd rather have each model with it's own distinctive styling.

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
I don't like the idea of an RS as just an appearence option. I think it sould be it's own model, more like the third gen deal. It could have a lower V8 and some cosmetic stuff too. I definatly do not want the base to be called RS!

Also, I never liked the way the 1st and 2nd gen had the whole RS/SS thing. I'd rather have each model with it's own distinctive styling.

There it is right there. :) Dats da way it should be. :D

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
I don't like the idea of an RS as just an appearence option. I think it sould be it's own model, more like the third gen deal. It could have a lower V8 and some cosmetic stuff too. I definatly do not want the base to be called RS!

Also, I never liked the way the 1st and 2nd gen had the whole RS/SS thing. I'd rather have each model with it's own distinctive styling.

Ya, the 3rd Gen was a little wishy-washy as far as sticking to the traditional RS definition of just an appearance package.

If you really get down to it, though, it did.

The 3rd Gen RS debuted in 1987 as an appearance package for the base car.

In 1988, this packge (ground effects and wheels basically) became standard on the base car (Called, simply, "Camaro") but then they brought the RS name back for 1989 and it became the base model thru 1992, but basically, it is what it was in 1987... an upgraded base car in appearance.

RS or Rally Sport has always been an appearance package. If it is brought back, it should remain an appearance package.

The only performance packages should be Z/28 and SS.

I really could care less if you don't like the original RS/SS, RS-Z/28, and RS designations. I DO! As do many more people than those that don't.

What gets me are the types of people that now have or have only had 3rd gen Camaros that think that their opinions speak for the millions of other Camarophiles who have owned and loved the other generations.

Let's keep some things in historical perspective shall we?

Z/28 has always been a V8.

SS (Super Sport) has always had a 350 ci small block or 396 ci big block. (Not counting the dealer special cars like Yenko, Nickey, Baldwin, etc... and yes the LT1's and LS1's are close enough to be called 350's :D )

RS (Rally Sport) has always been an appearance package. (L6, V6 or V8).

And unless something changes in the near future and they start running Camaros again in the International Race Of Champions... the IROC-Z should remain DEAD.

:D

I guess that IROC comment is supposed to get some people all rialed up or something...........Well, if you are refering to me as "only owning third gens" you should look at the sig! Don't worry, I am well schooled in F-bodies of generations past.

The whole RS/SS thing will never fly. Remember what happened in 96' when they brought back the RS as a appearence thing.............didn't last too long now did it. I think the 5th gen would do better if they had thier own distinctive styling with maybe some slight variations in the appearence within each model. An appearence package that is for a base model and for an SS and for a Z28 will not work. People bitched about the 4th gen Z28 looking like a base model so if you have this homogonized RS appearence package, then you will have the same problem.................base models, Z28's, and SS's looking the same if they have that package. If I buy an SS, I want my car to look unique and better than lthe esser models. Plus, if the RS has it's own model, then it will be more special and people can feel good about the car they have instead of, "well, I just have the body kit".

The IROC-Z shoudn't be brought back unless they run the races is right and kinda obvious. And I don't think it should be brought back because they'll never make 1 as cool as the originals.

RS was never an appearance option in the Third Gen. There was no combining designations and it was a separate model from the Sport Coupe because they were never available together. In 87 and 88 it was tested in certain states only and in 89 the Sport Coupe, which in 88 looked like the RS, was just changed a little and called RS. I like the 1st Gens some, but I dislike the whole having an RS model and its looks also being able to be combined with Z28's and SS's. They should have been separate and there should have been just a headlight and taillight option, which is what it was.

Originally posted by IZ28
I like the 1st Gens some, but I dislike the whole having an RS model and its looks also being able to be combined with Z28's and SS's. They should have been separate and there should have been just a headlight and taillight option, which is what it was.

Sooooo....it's ok for the 3rd Gen to completely re-write Camaro history, but death to any future generation that does, eh? :think: :rolleyes: ;)

Well, while we're rewriting history....How about this?

A mid model Camaro with a new designation!

I own a 3rdgen and I LIKE the RS SS/Z28 combos. :D I kinda think that GM messed up when they made the RS just an appearance package for the 4thgens.It should also have had a small V8 like all the other gens.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Sooooo....it's ok for the 3rd Gen to completely re-write Camaro history, but death to any future generation that does, eh? :think: :rolleyes: ;) Umm the RS became its' own model in '75. It was when the 4thgen came out that rewrote the RS as just an appearance oriented V6 model. :p

Originally posted by SNEAKY NEIL
If I buy an SS, I want my car to look unique and better than lthe esser models. Plus, if the RS has it's own model, then it will be more special and people can feel good about the car they have instead of, "well, I just have the body kit".

so dont get the RS package with your SS then. big deal. its just another option being thrown out to the general pubic, and im sure some of the people buying (young adults) wouldnt mind having that "sporty" looking ground effects and wheels package.
and i dont think the RS lasted in 4th gen because it was only available on v6 models, whereas ifthey brought it back it should be able to be included on all models. and i actually own a 92 RS and i think its a good idea to bring back the RS/SS and RS/Z28 thing.
also, keep irocs out, they could never compare to true irocs.

jus my .02

I say either make RS its own model or make it a V6 body kit like on the 4th gens.

I'm not really so sure about how I feel about an "RS Appearance Option".

If the RS looks better....just make all Camaros look like that.

As far as making it a model....well, Chevy, tread carefully. For the 3rd gen, it became code word for the lowliest Camaro available.

For the 4th gen it became a code word for truly juvenile ground FX.

Sometimes I think it could be time for maybe a new name.

That's why I think it is time to put some balls back into that model and give it a smaller, respectable V8.

The problem with the RS in the 3rd gen is because it was available with the base engine and the upgrade was a gutless V8(although it wasn't that bad for the time). It got a bad rap because it could be had with the base engine and that is what I fear could happen if GM does the whole RS appearence package on any model. People will associate it with a lower model and that could drive people away or just make it obsolete. Why would someone want to have the appearence shared with a lower car? You could say, "well just don't buy it" but I don't think enough people would actually buy it to make a buisness case for it.........maybe they would, who knows. But think about this: take an SS with all the cosmetic upgrades that come standard and then ditch them in favor of the RS look.......................I don't see that happening.

Originally posted by Z28Wilson
Sooooo....it's ok for the 3rd Gen to completely re-write Camaro history, eh? :think: :rolleyes: ;)

I think you missed what I was saying. ;) And I was referring some of my post to DXed or any1 else that might think the RS was always and appearance option. The above poster makes a good observation that I agree with. Why would a Z28 or SS owner want a car that has stuff from a lower or mid model?? That's why I said it should have been or should just be an Appearance Option. (insert name here, but not RS or any other model designation!!)

Originally posted by IZ28
I think you missed what I was saying. ;) And I was referring some of my post to DXed or any1 else that might think the RS was always and appearance option. The above poster makes a good observation that I agree with. Why would a Z28 or SS owner want a car that has stuff from a lower or mid model?? That's why I said it should have been or should just be an Appearance Option. (insert name here, but not RS or any other model designation!!)

Actually, I see SNEAKY NEIL's point about "If you have a Z28 or SS why would you want a base car to be able to look like it" ... and, to be honest, he has swayed me a bit... BUT...

When has RS ever been more than an appearance package?

It hasn't to my knowledge, except (maybe) for the brief time from 89-92 where it was the base model, but basically it was the IROC-Z / Z28 ground effects and 15" wheels slapped onto a base car... and then the base car was deleted...

Then it doesn't qualify as an appearance option 89-92. It was the base car and wasn't it the same or the mid model in the later 2nd Gen?! When it was either the base or mid car and its looks weren't available on any other model, it's kinda obvious that it wasn't an appearance option. :cool: In the 4th Gen it was just GFX, which actually made the cars look better while being just slightly overdone. The GFX should have been on the top models and not the RS. But still, the RS "look" was only available on that model, but it could maybe qualify in a way as an appearance option there, but definetly not in the Third Gen and I'm still waiting on an answer for the 2nd Gen.

For later 2ndgens it was a mid-level model,there was the sport coupe,the RS(which was later replaced with the Berlinetta in '79) and then the Z28.

Heck we might as well bing back the "Type-LT" then.

Realistically what do we really want to see regardless of what they're called?

a.) A base V6 Camaro coupe sans any styling package.

b.) A base V6 Camaro convertible sans any styling package.

c.) A base V8 Camaro couple sans any styling package.

d.) A base V8 Camaro convertible sans any styling package.

e.) A High Peformance V8 coupe. (Z/28?)

f.) A High Peformance V8 convertible. (Z/28?)

h.) A ground effects, & special trim upgrade for above. (RS?)

i.) A Higher Peformance (Level II) special trim upgrade for e & f above (SS?) (can also be combined with h.)

While that might please everyone, quite frankly that may just be too many models to choose from, and there may be no way that many choices ever gets approved if GM is trying to be cost effective.

Personally I can see losing c, d, f & i and instead offering a supercharged version of the base V6 for those that want a little more umph!

That would drop it down to three models with various options....

Base V6 coupe
Base V6 convertible
Z/28 (High Performance V8 coupe only).

And if for some reason GM only wants to give us one option like the new GTO... then without question, it should be a Z/28 V8 coupe.

I don't want to get too greedy... just bring the Camaro back! :D

I just want them to all have their own nice, unique, and distinctive styling, and no mixing of designations.

Originally posted by 91Zman
For later 2ndgens it was a mid-level model,there was the sport coupe,the RS(which was later replaced with the Berlinetta in '79) and then the Z28.

So it wan't an appearance option there either kinda like the Thirds, except it was the base car for them.

Originally posted by IZ28
So it wan't an appearance option there either kinda like the Thirds, except it was the base car for them. If your talking about the base V8 then yeah but the sport coupe( V6),was the base model.I'm pretty sure that the RS had the V6 and the 305.Oh and the Type LT was replaced by the berl and not the RS like I previously stated.

Originally posted by IZ28
Then it doesn't qualify as an appearance option 89-92. It was the base car and wasn't it the same or the mid model in the later 2nd Gen?! When it was either the base or mid car and its looks weren't available on any other model, it's kinda obvious that it wasn't an appearance option. :cool: In the 4th Gen it was just GFX, which actually made the cars look better while being just slightly overdone. The GFX should have been on the top models and not the RS. But still, the RS "look" was only available on that model, but it could maybe qualify in a way as an appearance option there, but definetly not in the Third Gen and I'm still waiting on an answer for the 2nd Gen.

:no:

I'll just stop... I cant feel another one of those times coming on where you are going to make me wanna smack my head up against a brick wall... :p

It will be too confusing to people if I have to tell them I drive a Chevrolet Camaro RS-Z28/SS-1LE , keep names simple, no alphabet soup

Originally posted by Z28x
It will be too confusing to people if I have to tell them I drive a Chevrolet Camaro RS-Z28/SS-1LE , keep names simple, no alphabet soup :thumb:
The simpler the better.

Originally posted by jg95z28

That would drop it down to three models with various options....

Base V6 coupe
Base V6 convertible
Z/28 (High Performance V8 coupe only).

And if for some reason GM only wants to give us one option like the new GTO... then without question, it should be a Z/28 V8 coupe.



As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the base car and the Z/28.....everything else is just filler.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
:no:

I'll just stop... I cant feel another one of those times coming on where you are going to make me wanna smack my head up against a brick wall... :p

Whatever, but that is the fun part of our conversations. ;)

Originally posted by Z284ever
As far as I'm concerned, it's all about the base car and the Z/28.....everything else is just filler.

I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly.

Originally posted by Z28x
It will be too confusing to people if I have to tell them I drive a Chevrolet Camaro RS-Z28/SS-1LE , keep names simple, no alphabet soup

Ya, but it'd never be that bad... ;) ("RS-Z28/SS-1LE")

You'd have:

Base car (Camaro)
Base car with RS Package (RS)
Z28
Z28 with RS package (RS/Z28)
SS
SS with RS package (RS/SS)

I don't think it's that confusing, really... but, point taken. I could be a factor....

I am a firm believer in multiple models. I think 4 levels would be great and maybe perfect. One thing that was great about the other generations of F-bodies was the amout of choices you had in body styles, engines, ect. Now, since there is no word on the Firebird as of right now, we have to assume that it will not be back anytime soon. Since this is probably the case, we just lost the Firebird as an alternative model and bodystyle and now the F-body has less diversity. To pick up the slack and satisfy more people, I think it is very crucial to bring back the different choices to the consumer in the form of more models, with distinctive appearence and multiple engine choices.

Originally posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly.

Oh, by filler, I didn't mean to imply that we didn't need them. These two models, ( Base and Z/28), are the Camaro brands' anchors. They must be executed perfectly. Of course their is room ...and a need...for models in between.

Originally posted by Joe K. 96 Zeee!!
I wouldn't say it's just filler. Yes the two main cars to focus on are the base and Z28. The are the most important. However, going back to how special models and model range can enhance a product (i.e. Mustang)....Camaro needs something "special" from the factory that, while it isn't the TOP model, does definitely garner interest by being unique in some way....A bridge in performance between the 230HP (just throwing a # up there) and 350HP would also be a plus I think and enhance sales if packaged correctly. :bow: It would be awesome to have all of these models jut like the mustang has all of theirs-base model,GT,MACH1,Cobra and whatever else that they have in their lineup. So why have a boring Camaro lineup?

Originally posted by 91Zman
:bow: It would be awesome to have all of these models jut like the mustang has all of theirs-base model,GT,MACH1,Cobra and whatever else that they have in their lineup. So why have a boring Camaro lineup?

They should. I just wonder if in all of this "SS mania"....Chevy has the ability to pull off multiple models successfully in a Camaro?

Originally posted by Z284ever
They should. I just wonder if in all of this "SS mania"....Chevy has the ability to pull off multiple models successfully in a Camaro? Sure they could,the Camaro has a very large following or other car enthusiasts, that alone will help more models to succeed.They and as well as other newer car guys/gals know of the earlier combo cars.I do believe it would/will get them all excited about the Camaro again.

Originally posted by 91Zman
Sure they could,the Camaro has a very large following or other car enthusiasts, that alone will help more models to succeed.They and as well as other newer car guys/gals know of the earlier combo cars.I do believe it would/will get them all excited about the Camaro again.

i agree, but i think even moreso it wuold help garner interest with some definate power. something to spank the mustang with. and of course, more ads (more than zero that is).
course, on the power issue, i heard teh gt gets only 280 for the new model, which is only 20 more hp more than they have now. we could still throw ls1's in and beat them i guess then.
and now back to the topic, yea i can see the alphabet soup argument, but i do think they should do it like darthxed said.
that would be a true throwback to the 1st gens:cool:

I say make it its own mid-level model.

Like the base model could be V6, the RS could be an upgraded basemodel that has a supercharged V6, and some appearance stuff....

and the Z28s and SSs can each have there own appearance packages!

Originally posted by zero231
I say make it its own mid-level model.

Like the base model could be V6, the RS could be an upgraded basemodel that has a supercharged V6, and some appearance stuff....

and the Z28s and SSs can each have there own appearance packages!

See, though, if you start doing this stuff... giving 3-4 models their own individual looks and loads specific equipment, the car is going to get priced right out of production before it even begins.

Why?! It's not like it hasn't been done before and there's no Firebird this time.

Originally posted by IZ28
Why?! It's not like it hasn't been done before and there's no Firebird this time.

When was the last time Camaro offered 4 distinctly different looking models?

Not just wheels and trim pieces...

Wheels and trim are some of the things that make the difference, in alot of cases there just isn't enough of it. There was difference and distinctivness in every Gen except the 4th really, until the SS came along and even then it wasn't that different. Who wants that again?! I wanna be able to tell the models apart easily like before.

Originally posted by IZ28
Wheels and trim are some of the things that make the difference, in alot of cases there just isn't enough of it. There was difference and distinctivness in every Gen except the 4th really, until the SS came along and even then it wasn't that different. Who wants that again?! I wanna be able to tell the models apart easily like before.

The SS had as much differentiation from the Z28 as the IROC-Z did from the Z28 of it's time.

The F4 Z28 to the F4 base car... well, no the 4th Gen didn't step up there, but as we have rehashed in past threads, Chevy tried to carry over the success of the 89-92 RS looking like a Z28...

If you want to look at it from a different point of view, Firebird and Trans Am had totally different front fasicas.

Now, that still doesn't bring me up to four different looks in one car line...

If wheels and trim alone are enough for you to see it as a big differentation, so be it, but I don't know that that really qualifies as a distinct look for each of four models.

Its not like there havent been four different camaro models before...GM can do whatever they want, and right now no one can guarantee that there will even be a new camaro...

Personally I would love to see a wide variety if camaro models which each one having performance and styling characteristics that distinguish them easily from the others....

1972 there was:
base, rs, z28, lt, ss

1985 there was:
base, berlinetta, z28, iroc

1987 there was:
base, LT, RS(cali only), z28, and iroc

and 87 was the best selling year in quite awhile for the f-body...

so it has been and can be done, personally I like the idea of my car being different than my neighbors, right now its like i see a 4thgen camaro and the big differences are color, emblem, and whether its automatic or manual.....

The IROC, Z28, RS, and whatever were distinguishable even from far away but 4th Z28's and SS's aren't, all 4ths look nearly the same, that's what counts here and that's what I never want to see again. 1 thing I have noticed is that in every other Gen when people see a model from far away they say, "there's a Z28" or "there's an RS," but for 4ths it's just "theres a Camaro." And then when you are up close you still have to look for an emblem.

For the 5th Gen there needs to be different hoods, rims, tire sizes, stripes, taillights, maybe even bumpers and spoilers. And just because a model is lower than another doesn't mean it has to look like complete ****, just let it be different/distinctive in it's own even though the other models might be more aggressive or flashy.

Originally posted by zero231
Its not like there havent been four different camaro models before...GM can do whatever they want, and right now no one can guarantee that there will even be a new camaro...

Personally I would love to see a wide variety if camaro models which each one having performance and styling characteristics that distinguish them easily from the others....

1972 there was:
base, rs, z28, lt, ss

1985 there was:
base, berlinetta, z28, iroc

1987 there was:
base, LT, RS(cali only), z28, and iroc

and 87 was the best selling year in quite awhile for the f-body...

so it has been and can be done, personally I like the idea of my car being different than my neighbors, right now its like i see a 4thgen camaro and the big differences are color, emblem, and whether its automatic or manual.....

Some good examples... but, in 85 for example, base and Berlinetta shared fascias, as did Z28 and IROC-Z, so it wasn't liek they were so totally different. A lot of the looks differences where wheels and stcikers...

I guess what I'm getting at is that I dont see anyway there can be four different looks so dramatic that specific body panels will be made for each.

Originally posted by IZ28
The IROC, Z28, RS, and whatever were distinguishable even from far away but 4th Z28's and SS's aren't, all 4ths look nearly the same, that's what counts here and that's what I never want to see again. 1 thing I have noticed is that in every other Gen when people see a model from far away they say, "there's a Z28" or "there's an RS," but for 4ths it's just "theres a Camaro." And then when you are up close you still have to look for an emblem.


If you can tell an 3rd Gen IROC-Z apart from a 3rd Gen Z28 , then you certainly can tell a 4th Gen SS apart from a 4th Gen Z28 at the same distance. Don't try to say otherwise, because that is just :bs: .

Maybe not so much the base V6 and the Z28 in the 4th Gen, but then I could say the same thing for a 91 RS and a 91 Z28. Different spoiler, different grille (which you couldnt even tell if a front plate was on anyway) and painted headlamp pockets (which if the car was black, you couldnt tell either) and hood bumps is about all the difference, as far as different looks go for 91 and 92. I can say very similar things for 88 through 90 too.

stock for stock a thirdgen z28 and iroc are easy to tell apart....the 15" z28 wheels, and iroc logos are the first things I look for...Its a bit harder to tell now since hardly anything is show room stock anymore....You are right that they did share some of the same body parts though there is no denying it, but most of them truely had there own personality.

Even if they brought back the camaro as a V8 RWD car that could only be had in one trim I would not complain....

Originally posted by Darth Xed
If you can tell an 3rd Gen IROC-Z apart from a 3rd Gen Z28 , then you certainly can tell a 4th Gen SS apart from a 4th Gen Z28 at the same distance. Don't try to say otherwise, because that is just :bs: .

Maybe not so much the base V6 and the Z28 in the 4th Gen, but then I could say the same thing for a 91 RS and a 91 Z28. Different spoiler, different grille (which you couldnt even tell if a front plate was on anyway) and painted headlamp pockets (which if the car was black, you couldnt tell either) and hood bumps is about all the difference, as far as different looks go for 91 and 92. I can say very similar things for 88 through 90 too. umm there were big differences exteriorwise between the '91RS and the '91Z28.You had mentioned some of the differences but I will elaborate some more differences.
RS-body colored headlamp pockets,old 15" Z28 wheels(16" new Z28 wheels were optional),plain hood,3peice spoiler and louvered grill.

Z28-black headlight pockets,red bowtie on black grill w/foglight openings for the foglights,hood blisters,highrise spoiler in place of traditional 3piece spoiler,tpi engine (5.7 was on 350)on back rear bumper for 350 models,and 16" wheels.:D

No DXed, I disagree with you also, again. They are definetly not as easy to tell apart, no way, no how. Telling apart ANY Third Gen Z28 from an IROC or RS or Sport Coupe (or any way you combine it) is more than easy. There's almost always gotta be 1 person who trys to argue everything you say and give you a difficult time in each post, even if they agree or not.

Originally posted by 91Zman
umm there were big differences exteriorwise between the '91RS and the '91Z28.You had mentioned some of the differences but I will elaborate some more differences.
RS-body colored headlamp pockets,old 15" Z28 wheels(16" new Z28 wheels were optional),plain hood,3peice spoiler and louvered grill.

Z28-black headlight pockets,red bowtie on black grill w/foglight openings for the foglights,hood blisters,highrise spoiler in place of traditional 3piece spoiler,tpi engine (5.7 was on 350)on back rear bumper for 350 models,and 16" wheels.:D


I agree with all the differences.... but I think I mentioned all of them.

The few I skipped over were the wheels, because the 16" wheels could be ordered on a V8 RS.... the fog lamps were optional on the Z28, though most did come with them... the grille, well, I mentioned the license plate thing that could cover the bow tie in many states... and the 350 badge wouln't be present on a non-350 Z28...

But, ya, I agree... I can tell a 91 Z28 from a 91 RS... but sometimes certain 3rd Gen fanatics over-exagerate some things... ;) ;) ;)

Originally posted by IZ28
No DXed, I disagree with you also, again. They are definetly not as easy to tell apart, no way, no how. Telling apart ANY Third Gen Z28 from an IROC or RS or Sport Coupe (or any way you combine it) is more than easy. There's almost always gotta be the 1 person who trys to argue everything you say and give you a difficult time in each post.


It is totally ridiculous to say that it is "easier to tell apart a 3rd Gen Z28 from a 3rd Gen RS than it is to tell a 4th Gen SS apart from a 4th Gen Z28"

:rolleyes:

Seriously... you need to lose the 3rd Gen blinders... I can appreciate the fact that they are your personal favorite, but geeeeeeez-o-man, some of this stuff is so silly.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
I agree with all the differences.... but I think I mentioned all of them.

The few I skipped over were the wheels, because the 16" wheels could be ordered on a V8 RS.... the fog lamps were optional on the Z28, though most did come with them... the grille, well, I mentioned the license plate thing that could cover the bow tie in many states... and the 350 badge wouln't be present on a non-350 Z28...

But, ya, I agree... I can tell a 91 Z28 from a 91 RS... but sometimes certain 3rd Gen fanatics over-exagerate some things... ;) ;) ;) I did mention that the 5.7 badge were on 350tpi models.:) and foglights were standard on all Z28s except for the 1LE Z28s.Also 350s didn't come with T-tops,another distinguishing trait of the 350tpi models.

Originally posted by Darth Xed
It is totally ridiculous to say that it is "easier to tell apart a 3rd Gen Z28 from a 3rd Gen RS than it is to tell a 4th Gen SS apart from a 4th Gen Z28"

:rolleyes:

Seriously... you need to lose the 3rd Gen blinders... I can appreciate the fact that they are your personal favorite, but geeeeeeez-o-man, some of this stuff is so silly. I did say that you had mentioned some of what I posted about the rs z28 diferences. I agree with the 4thgen SS/Z28 thing but I ask you respectivly that you need to open your eyes.I and just about everyone else can easily tell the differences between the RS,Z28 and the IROCs,but I won't go into it anymore because this thread was about the RS.

Thank you 91Z.

I mean ****, Z28's didn't even have body colored GFX until 91-92, you can't miss them!! IROC's all got the GFX painted the body color and SC's had none and the lower models had different taillights and no black headlight pockets and many more differences, wheels, stripes, you name it, interior, whatever. Even trying to imply that any 4th Gen is as easy to tell apart than a Third is not only dumb, it's complete nonsense because every single model was clearly distinguishable from the other.

Originally posted by 91Zman
I did mention that the 5.7 badge were on 350tpi models.:) and foglights were standard on all Z28s except for the 1LE Z28s.Also 350s didn't come with T-tops,another distinguishing trait of the 350tpi models.

Even if the right combination of things came together to make the Z28 and RS sort of different in 1991... can you honestly say "it's easier to tell apart then a 01 Z28 and 01 SS from 40 feet away?"

That is what IZ28 is trying to push here, and it's just false.

Let's compare:

From the front:

The 4th Gen would have different grille and hood scoop.
The 3rd Gen would have a different grille, hood bumps, and head lamp blackouts.

From the side:

The 4th Gen would have unique SS wheels, SS emblems, SS spoiler.
The 3rd Gen would have Z28 wheels that could be on an RS, Z28 emblems, and a Z28 spoiler.

From the rear:

The 4th Gen would have the SS spoiler, and the SS emblem.
The 3rd Gen would have the Z28 spoler, and the Z28 emblem.

Now... IZ28, the only differences here are from the front, the 3rd Gen would have the blacked out headlamp pocket that you might be able to tell, but if the car was black, or a dark color, you'd have a hard time noticing... and from the side, the 4th Gen has a distinct advantage of having unique wheels that could NOT be had on a 4th Gen Z28.


Now.... Tell me how the 3rd Gen is "easier to tell apart" again?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

If you're talking about when these 2 cars are parked then well it's a toss up but if they're going down the street the answer would be the 91Z is easier.:cool:

Originally posted by 91Zman
If you're talking about when these 2 cars are parked then well it's a toss up but if they're going down the street the answer would be the 91Z is easier.:cool:


Well... ya, obvioiusly... the motor makes a big difference! :D But appearance wise, there is little difference in what distinguishes these two sets in comparision... ;)

Darth

Have you actually looked at 3rdgen Z28s,the 82-87s? They are so different from the lower models.The IROCs are even moreso.:confused:

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Well... ya, obvioiusly... the motor makes a big difference! :D But appearance wise, there is little difference in what distinguishes these two sets in comparision... ;) I'm not denying that they're no diffences,meaning that I can easily tell the differences between the '02Z28 and the '02 SS.:cool:

Originally posted by 91Zman
Darth

Have you actually looked at 3rdgen Z28s,the 82-87s? They are so different from the lower models.The IROCs are even moreso.:confused:

Absolutely!

I totally agree with you here, but 82-87 was only half of the 3rd Gen production years, so it's not totally fair to just pick those years out as the sweeping example of 3rd Gen trim. Fact is ... they got away from the distinctful differences with the 87 RS experiment, then the 88 Sport Coupe, and 89-92 RS....

FWIW, I think 3rd Gen base/berlinetta/type LT styling is just hideous... Just my opinion...

Also of note, I owned and drove an 89 RS 305 TBI for 4 years, so I am familiar with 3rd Gen quite a bit... :)

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Absolutely!

I totally agree with you here, but 82-87 was only half of the 3rd Gen production years, so it's not totally fair to just pick those years out as the sweeping example of 3rd Gen trim. Fact is ... they got away from the distinctful differences with the 87 RS experiment, then the 88 Sport Coupe, and 89-92 RS....

Well you wanted to compare Z28 models to the lower models and being that the Z28 was around 82-7 and 91-92(which I described the 91)92 got other characteristics that set it apart from the lower model plus the '91Z.BUT..There is no getting around the fact that the RSs are easily told apart than the Z28s of any year.:p

FWIW, I think 3rd Gen base/berlinetta/type LT styling is just hideous... Just my opinion...

I agree!

Also of note, I owned and drove an 89 RS 305 TBI for 4 years,
so I am familiar with 3rd Gen quite a bit... :)

Are you sure about that? :p

Originally posted by 91Zman
Well you wanted to compare Z28 models to the lower models and being that the Z28 was around 82-7 and 91-92(which I described the 91)92 got other characteristics that set it apart from the lower model plus the '91Z.BUT..There is no getting around the fact that the RSs are easily told apart than the Z28s of any year.



Well, I picked 91 as an example year just to focus in on one year...

I agree with you that I can tell 1 91 Z28 from a 91 RS, but my point was simply that it is just as easy to tell an 01 Z28 from an 01 SS...

nothing more, nothing less... :)




Are you sure about that?


Well, she wasn't an IROC-Z, but I did driver her for a long time!! :D

Originally posted by Darth Xed
Well, I picked 91 as an example year just to focus in on one year...

I agree with you that I can tell 1 91 Z28 from a 91 RS, but my point was simply that it is just as easy to tell an 01 Z28 from an 01 SS...

nothing more, nothing less... :)
Oh I agree with ya there.



[ Well, she wasn't an IROC-Z, but I did driver her for a long time!!] :D
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Are you sure about that? :)

Nope I don't agree, 4th Gens just look the same to me. While I can tell Thirds apart without thinking about it. Just the way it is I guess. That and I try not to pay attention to 4ths on purpose most of the time. :)

Originally posted by 91Zman
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Are you sure about that? :)


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Ya... pretty sure... :confused:

was just messing with ya.;) :p

Originally posted by 91Zman
was just messing with ya.;) :p


LOL! :lol:

Too many arrows.... not ...sure...where...too...go.... :D :shame:

which way did he go george.... a which way did he goooooo :D

I see the several different models with levels of V8s thing as bad. I mean think about it the low-po or midrange cars just give the top performers a bad name. With the thirdgens a whole lot of people consider than all slower than ****. Why? Because of the 100s of thousands of boat-anchor engined RSs they put out that to the non-car nut don't look too different from the good models. Ended up giving all thirdgens a bad name. Do most realize the hotter 305 and 350 cars were as fast/faster than the stock 5.0 Stangs? NO, they most certainly don't.

Screw that, Ford had it right with the 5.0s, and Chevy has had it right since 93: If you order a V8 car you get the hot, good performing V8 for that year, no midrange crap to confuse the issue... I would rather have appearance packages, but not ones that cross over to both the base engined and V8 cars. Something distinctive for one or both that is unique to that type. Like maybe RS package only on the V6s, SS package only on V8s, etc.

The way to solve that is to make every level/engine be a great performer in its own and not lousy just because it's a lower or mid model.